I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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PatMom,
You are drawing conclusions that do not appear in the article. Climate change science does not rely on one measurement criteria but rather multiple criteria. The climate change models are continually being updated and reevaluated.
The Koch brothers funded a review of the science behind the climate change models. The review was conducted by a prominent climate change sceptic, Richard Muller. After he and his team reviewed the data, Mr Muller stated the following:
"The skeptics raised valid points and everybody should have been a skeptic two years ago," Muller told the AP. "And now we have confidence that the temperature rise that had previously been reported had been done without bias."
http://news.yahoo.com/skeptic-finds-now-agrees-global-warming-real-142616605.html -
Momine: I've always wanted to see Greece. How wonderful to love in such a beautiful place.
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Gumby, so sorry about the sucky marriage. I had one of those too.
Yes, Greece is a nice place to live, in spite of all the troubles it has right now. I just came back from my evening walk with my dog around the Acropolis. -
I would love to visit Greece as well as many other countries in Europe. My budget just won't allow me the luxury.
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I went to my new primary care dr for the second time today. What a good choice I made. It was to review the few tests she wanted done that my onc hadn't covered. There was lots of good news. My B-12 level is to high (supplements every other day now). Thyroid looks good.
Now the best one. My cholesterol is 265, LDL is 130 (not terrible) My HDL (the good one) is 112. The doctor says she has never seen an HDL so high and maybe the test was an anomaly. I said it is usually over 80. That makes the ratio 2.4. (Ducking for cover -trying not to be hit by flying sunflower pots.
I do need to go buy calcium citrate. I knew that was the better one but grabbed a huge bottle of calcium carbonate at the store and it is not gone but it is constipating me (I know TMI) but if it is doing that the calcium is not going to my bones.
Then for the last 5-10 minutes of the appointment we discussed the sketch that I made while I was waiting for her of the stuffed owls I will be making for the grandkids for Christmas. I need to get on that one soon.
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So you people dispute that weather changed drastically, cyclically over time, even before we had TV weather guessers measuring and recording it hourly? And demand that I prove it? That is open minded?
Imagine the reaction I would get if I dared to say that the sky is blue? Surely someone would pop in with a scientific explanation of how it is an optical illusion caused by the atmosphere.
I say yes, you say no indeed.
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The sky is blue????
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My daughter's birthday is today. She is 37 and pregnant with her fourth child. We are babysitting so they can go out for dinner. They have 2 boys and a girl ages 22 mons 4 and 5. She will have her hands full in 6 months or so.
ETA Ooops,that was unclear. The girl is the 22 month old.
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PatMom, Weather ---- Climate. Two different things.
rosemary-b, I think your daughter has her hands full now.

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I had my first two 18 months apart. That does explain a lot doesn't it.
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She says she's done.
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That's what I said too. 4 years later along came Josie.
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this is off topic, but then what isn't; there's a big computer virus going about - if you get an email with no content but a hyperlink, especially from someone you haven't emailed in a long time - it's a bug.
I've gotten 4 of them, but people I haven't emailed in YEARS - so some program must go digging into people's address books for never emailed, or haven't emailed in ages - whatever - it's gotta be a big one, I've gotten so many.
DON'T OPEN THE HYPERLINK.....I'm on a Mac, and even I run a virus protection now.
Also - Paul Begala has a fabulous column about the Texas ruling - thanks again Linda for posting it..such a giggle, or groan, or SCREAM...
Blue - no film - I LOVE IT!
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Baxter had the rest of his teeth out today. He's on morphine again. Crazy cat.
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The sky isn't blue in Seattle most of the time.
But Dahlia's - they're blue. 
PatMom - there have always been changes in weather patterns, and climate has also changed, otherwise the dinosaurs could possibly still be alive and well, and we'd have huge plants, etc. The issue is that we should, based on trends, be in a period of cooling, but we're not. It's warming - and it's warming at an alarming rate. And it's warming at an alarming rate when there is no apparent reason for such warming OTHER than human action. Almost all weather scientists are in agreement that this major warming trend is caused by humans and how we've been affecting the earth.
I am not a scientist, so do not know it from my own studies, but I do not believe that scientists all over the world - with the single exception of those that are directly funded by oil companies - are in collusion. I find it much more likely to believe that oil companies, who make the most money from continuing humanity's dependence upon carbon based fuel will attempt to steer studies to show different results - and attempt to debunk weather science from reputable sources. It affects their bottom line. Kind of like (well, actually exactly like) tobacco companies did with studies showing that tobacco usage caused cancer. Companies do not care about people. They care about money. Very rich people who have grown rich and want to continue to become even more rich and more powerful do not care about common people. They care about money and profit and power.
Now - about a drink... I think I'm in favor of something with a rum base so I can pretend I'm in the tropics. I like mai-tai's. May I have one please????
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Yeah for the good doctor visit Rosemary! And a gentle ear rub for Baxter ... if he is anything like Murphy he will surprise you with how little he cares that he is toothless.
Remember my foundling kitten who got adopted? They named him Baxter. I knew the minute I heard it that I liked the name and just now realized why it seemed so familiar.
Never open a link from an email unless you are expecting it and know exactly what it is. Nobody I know would send me one without a personal explanation ... and one that is not full of grammar and spelling errors for sure.
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OMG. Patmom is right. There WAS weather thousands of years before. Back when Adam and Eve met the dinosaurs. I know cuz I read it in the Bible.
Okay. Sorry. Snarkiness just jumped out of me. Been that kind of day.
Is the bar open? Sweet tea vodka on the rocks with a twist. Make it a double.
Oh, and the sky only APPEARS blue because of reflection of water droplets or some such according to my weather man DH...science takes all the joy out of life. Whoops, did it again. That's two snarks for me today...
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"Companies do not care about people. They care about money. Very rich people who have grown rich and want to continue to become even more rich and more powerful do not care about common people. They care about money and profit."
A very broad, blanket statement indeed. So is there such a thing as philanthropy or charity? Must we depend solely on government to enforce even the most basic help for the most vulnerable in our society?
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Rosemary - good news on the doctor front. Enjoy your daughter's birthday.
Gardnegumby: Oil companies hired some of same scientists, previously hired by tobacco companies, to cast doubt on global climate change.
Mai-tais sound terrific.
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Oooh....sweet tea vodka! I'll have some of that, mixed with lemonade while I'm enjoying the (not really) blue skies here in Seattle.
Mary
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I think a Tequila Sunrise is what would make my evening even more perfect. I'll get your drink too while I'm fetching mine Anne.
In exciting news ... we are supposed to get rain Friday, Saturday and Sunday!!! Fingers and toes crossed ... it has never been this dry here for this long.
ETA ... more drink orders pouring in. Our favorite bartender better get here soon. I don't know how to make some of this fancy stuff.
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Can't bloody believe we are having a debate on climate change.
Bartender, I thought you said this was a safe neighborhood.


Anything to take my mind off the sky being magenta with yelllow polka dots. The liberals say the big polka dot is the sun. I think it's Rush smiling down at us! Conspiracy theorists claim its a ploy to get this thread closed....
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Cocktail hour it is. YAH!
WhiteRabbit: The dryness of the Midwest is all in your mind. It's just a myth created by liberals to push their liberal agenda.
OK, need that drink.
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Yes. Last week's heat wave was a tactile hallucination by millions of brainwashed liberals.
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Some days I do, I do, I really do see pocka dots. And Pink elephants.
The word of the day is blah blah duh! Well that's really 3 words, or is it?
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The ignore button ensures that it will always be a sunny day and a safe neighborhood ... I use it liberally. Love snarks, Anne -- my favorite flavor!
I worked from home today because I had to sit down three times while I was getting ready for work. Guess I'm not as better as I like to believe. So new schedule will be half-days in the office Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, and working from home on Wednesday. Slow and steady wins the race, or some nonsense like that. Doesn't apply to Superwomen until they have to sit down while getting ready for work. *sigh*
I fell asleep watching the news this evening, too. Double *sigh*
I am reading a very interesting book called "God's Hotel" by Victoria Sweet, about the last almshouse in the United States -- a hospital in San Francisco called Laguna Honda. It is excellent, and touches on many of the things we talk about here -- care for the indigent, a discussion of health care, access and insurance in Switzerland, and the practice of medicine in a country and an atmosphere that demands ever-greater efficiency that sometimes costs more than it saves. I would have liked to see some more detail in some of the stories, but nonetheless I highly recommend it.
Queued up for afters, I have "Holidays in Heck," by PJ O'Rourke, a sequel to "Holidays in Hell," a book that caused me to laugh hysterically to the point of uncontrollable tears at breakfast in a Bob Evans restaurant in Dayton, Ohio. I hope to be similarly entertained.
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Well that's a relief. I'm making all the drinks triples since I don't know what else is supposed to go in them ... OK?
Athena ... did your temps cool down? We supposedly had a cool down here but from l00+ to 90 is just a teeny tiny improvement not 'cool'. I'm going to have nightmares about that thing in the sky thankyouverymuch.
Pretty soon the sky will be black with a bunch of sparkly things ... my favorite.
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You see sparkly things? I want some of what you're having!
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The baby is being such a brat. I got the boys action figures and a doll for her and she keeps stealing their toys and throwing them. I should have known better than to get her something differet.
I heard that the last time there was climate change caused by humans the unicorns died out.
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