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Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376

I was in the midst of job hunting when I got my DX and between BMX, recon and revision it was put on hold.  (Well, actually that became my full time job.)  Now that I'm officially "done" it's back to the hunt and am finding it very frustrating.  Is anyone else job hunting as well?  Do you have gaps in your employment due to treatment and how do you explain them to future employers who want to know why you haven't been working for months/years?  Right now I've been putting "Personal Reasons" down to explain the gap.  I don't want them to think I've been in jail, having a nervous breakdown or smoking Mary Jane in a commune somewhere (not that there's anything wrong with that) for the past few years but not sure I want to use the "C" word, either. 

I'm wondering if they'd be less inclined to hire you because you don't have current work experience or because you are a previous cancer patient (particularly if they provide medical benefits)?  I know legally they can't hold it against you but have to wonder if they do anyway.  

For other job seekers I thought we could share our trials and tribulations about the hunt here and encourage each other in the quest for gainful employment!  Smile

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited January 2012

    Hi Kate33,

    While you're waiting on the ever-helpful advice from the ladies here on the boards, you might be interested in checking out the main Breastcancer.org site and the Breast Cancer and Your Job section, especially the Looking For a New Job page.

    Hope you find this helpful!

    --The Mods

  • taraleec
    taraleec Member Posts: 236
    edited March 2016

    I am.  I was typing & somehow my computer lost it.  I'm trying again.

  • taraleec
    taraleec Member Posts: 236
    edited March 2016

    I lost my job in 2009.  I got a job last June/2011 but it was a temp job, I had to take it; it was all I could get.  My reconstruction wasn't done either, I lost my medical coverage in 2010.  I'd told them ahead of time about Dr. appointments & they said it was ok.  Apparently not.  Last week after being there 6 months exactly, I was told my job ended.  In July I got bit by a Toxic poisonous spider on my leg for which I had dr. appointments.  They said they weren't holding that against me, but obviously they were. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Hi Taraleec- Sorry about losing your job and especially if you did because of medical costs.  That's what I'm afraid of.  There are so many people applying these days, especially for jobs with medical benefits, that I would think they would hold the BC against us.  I always want to tell them about it and say, "If I can get through that, I can handle anything you want to throw at me!"  

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited January 2012

    Hi - I'm also job hunting.  I quit my job (and looking back still don't know if that was the best thing to do - but it did reduce my stress) in September 2011 for multitude of reasons, but mainly to focus 100% on health, and now it is time to go back to work.  I am now seriously looking but not having success.   Like you, I am fearful of the BC being held against me, but do want to tell the real reason I was not working.

    Teresa

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Teresa- I think maybe I should have kept mine, too.  Not sure I could have, though.  I admire women who work full time going through this.  I don't know how they do it!

    I find it so frustrating when potential employers seem to hold it against you when you have a gap in employment.  The gap could be for any number of reasons.  Usually I don't even get a chance to explain it, though, because I never even get the chance to interview.  If I'm asked I will certainly tell the truth but not sure I would volunteer the information.  I wonder what other cancer patients do?

  • bedo
    bedo Member Posts: 1,866
    edited January 2012

    Our office closed July 1st. I ran out and got all my medical exams, dental etc and found out about the BC.  I was on Medicaid (no income) had a lumpectomy and rads and was put on disability mainly for fatigue with rads until 2 months afterwards if you can believe that.  I felt that my mind wasn't functioning because I was so tired and my oncologist agreed.  I looked for jobs, got 4 interviews, only 2 asked why, one I told that I was "taking a break from my career"  They smirked and I didn't get the job.I would not recommend this.  Employers that have to pay for their insurance may not want to pay extra for you and may always be watching you and put down normal things to "BC"  Another I told the truth and was offered a part time position which was what they had available, but needed insurance so turned it down. The other 2 had no problem. and didn't even ask. I started with one on Monday .  They didn't even ask.  We're RI after all. The Unemployment capital of the world!  I don't think that with today's ecomomy it's unusual to be looking for awhile.  Good luck!  PS, I have my best salary ever now.and am happy with my choice.  I may have not made this choice in another economy but I can become happy with it.  I'm changing my thinking. PS I jjust took off my eye make up with cold cream and can't see a thing and spell check isn't working, but wanted to get my thoughts out so Im sorry about the incorrectly spelled words. I think that it might help if you have done volumteer work or taken classes online. even free ones, but they didn't ask. PS I am single, so had no other person to count on for income

  • Blinx
    Blinx Member Posts: 280
    edited January 2012

    I was worried about losing my job, so I chose to work through it, even though I could have had short-term disability through my company. Now, 4 years later, I ended up laid off anyway. I swore I would never make that mistake again, putting my job ahead of my health. I had terrible fatigue from the radiation, which seemed to last far longer than it should have. Another woman at the same company was encouraged by her boss to go out for surgery and not return until she was finished all of her treatments. I was so jealous. My boss encouraged me to work, and was even proud of the fact that I did.

    Now that I'm job hunting, I have other health problems. After I quit Tamoxifen, I ended up with severe bleeding, and am now comtemplating ablation or hysterectomy. And the job issue figures into it again. I struggle between wanting to go out and immediatley get another job, but can't because it's almost impossible to leave the house some days. And I don't want to tell a new employer that I'll need to take time off for surgery/recovery. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Bedo- Congratulations on the new job!  I guess things really do work out for a reason, huh?  If your old office wasn't closing, you might not have rushed out to get all your tests done, and might not have caught the BC early.  And now you have this great new job.  It's wonderful to hear a happy ending!

    Blinx- It's particularly hard for women who need a job but know there are other surgeries in their future.  I'm actually considering another revision in the future (long story) and wonder how that will fly with a new employer.  I'm sorry you're having new health concerns.  It angers me that in this country we have to chose between our health and paying our bills.  It's just wrong.  I admire you, though, for having gotten through it.  I already struggle with fatigue (fibromyalgia) so not sure I could have handled rads and working full time.  Wish future employers could know that about you and realize how much it says about you and your work ethic.  Good luck with the hunt. 

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited January 2012

     Job hunt - no success yet and I think my DH is getting annoyed with me. Although he was supportive of me not working (to deal with health) he is ready for me to get back to it.  Trouble is I don't even know what it is I want to do!  He suggests teaching (I am certified and experienced) but I have limited desire to teach in DC - some of the worst schools in the nation.  My real passion is work I left (the profession is great, the company I was at, not so much) and hard to get back into.So I will keep plugging away, resume after resume and hope for the best.

    Teresa

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Teresa- I can really relate to what you're going through.  I was a flight attendant, loved the job, wasn't crazy about the company and now it is really tough to get on with the airlines again.  My last interview lasted 8 hours and I was the last group cut.  It was really disheartening especially because this was the airline I had flown with for 12 years!  Now I'm trying to figure out a new passion and haven't had much luck!  lol!

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited January 2012

    ok - deep breath,   have a job interview on Wednesday of next week.  It is a for a short term position on a government project.  Not ideal as it is only a seven month position, but  $, insurance, and a chance to 'get back in there'.   Time to brush up on how to interview! Still trying to decide what to do about the employment gap - only  5 months, but afraid to say it was because of bc.

    Teresa

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited January 2012

    We've got our fingers crossed for you fitzdc!

    Here's what the main Breastcancer.org site says about responding to questions about gaps in your resume from the Breast Cancer & Your Job section:

    "If questions do come up while interviewing, you can be discrete, yet honest. For example, if you are asked about a gap in your resume, you might respond that you had a health issue that was treated and resolved and that you're ready to work. Focus on your skills and abilities. If you are still in treatment and have any accommodations that need to be met, such as a flexible schedule, you do need to let your potential employer know. Reassure your potential employer that your work ethic will not be compromised."

    Hope you find this helpful, and good luck!

    --The Mods

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited January 2012

    thank you!  What a lovely bunch of people you are.

    Teresa

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited January 2012

    Fitzdc - I was laid off 2 months before my dx in May 2009...had sent out dozens of resumes and no call backs until the Monday AFTER my dx of BC!!!  I interviewed at two places, got called back for one of them the same day after meeting with my surgeon and oncologist for treatment plans.   I was over whelmed, scared and unsure of my future but completely honest with the owner of the company.  My situation was completely different then your since I was at the beginning of my fight and you have finished your treatments but I am happy to say 2 1/2 years later I am still working at that same company that decided to take a chance and wait for me to recover from my BMX and finish chemo...

    Good luck with your interview! 

    Kate - I hope you find your new passion and the perfect job!! I have followed your story, mainly because you were dx'd shortly after me, live in AZ and had pain issues after BMX and recon (I am thrilled you found Dr. K  and are now happy with your recon and no longer in pain...) Anyway...just wanted say that I have found your posts to be warm, caring, well thought and articulate...I know you will be successful :)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Teresa- Wishing you the best of luck with your interview! Really hope you get it and, who knows, maybe it will turn into something permanent. If not, it will be current work experience for your resume. Keep us posted!



    Moderators- Thanks for the suggestion on how to respond to work gap questions. I'm going to use that next time!

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited January 2012

    Kate: Thank you for starting this thread!

    I was laid off three years ago (end of Jan 2009). I got a temporary job (census bureau) and was nearing the end of that when I was diagnosed with BC in May 2009. I haven't worked since. I was fortunate to have unemployment benefits through Jan 2011 and to be able to avail of the COBRA subsidy for 15 months. I'm really struggling now to pay rent and medical insurance.

    I really only started to look for work again last year as like most of you I suffered from extreme fatigue following radiation -- I could sleep 12 hours a night and still feel tired. I still like to sleep 9-10 hours. 

    I've only had two interviews in the last year. One was for a position at the company I previously worked at and they already knew about my BC. The woman who interviewed me asked me absolutely nothing about my health. My guess is she was deliberately skirting around it in case I would claim that was the reason they didn't hire me. 

    The other interview -- I thought I did badly at the first interview as I was really nervous and waiting for the question about what I'd been doing for two years. It never came up. I was surprised to be one of just two brought back for a second interview. Near the end of the interview, one of the interviewers suddenly noticed "the gap" and asked me what I'd been doing in the meantime. Before I could answer, the other interviewer said "oh, she's been freelancing." I don't know whether she thought I was or was just trying to help me out. I agreed and pointed out that I do volunteer work too. I think in this job market, no-one really takes a lot of notice of "the gap."

    Last month, I decided to re-enroll with a temp agency that I had worked for in the past. They encouraged me to come in, telling me all the time that they had lots of work, but I now know they were lying. I knew one of the staff from before and met him first and told him exactly why I'd been out of work so long. He was very sympathetic, but advised me that if anyone asked about the gap I should say that I had "family issues."

    I think the mods are giving sound advice about telling a potential employer esp if you do need any special accomodations. Sometimes I think our handling of everything surrounding our diagnoses and treatment should be given a paragraph of its own on our resumes as we all developed an additional set of skills in order to handle that.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited January 2012

    I lost my job 5 months prior to diagnosis. I actually came home from my biopsy (at the time the radiologist told me they were doing the biopsy to PROVE their diagnosis of cancer not IF I had cancer) and the phone rang. Wanted to do a telephone interview the next day. I said yes but I only slept 3 hours that night.  I didn't get the job.

    I have been doing freelance work but it is spotty. Just finished a 3 month contract Jan 2nd. I tell people the lapse was a family health issue and all is resolved now. Of course now that I have a few recent freelance gigs fewer folks ask. They just assume I've been doing contract work.

    It can be tough going back if you still have appointments. I know when I had  herceptin every 3 weeks, reconstruction surgeries some PT it would have been hard to explain needing the time if I landed a full-time gig. Now that that's all done it's less of a problem… but have yet to find that full-time gig.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Mary- It's so true about us developing additional skill sets through all this!  I think I could add researcher, blogger, investigator and analyst to my resume.  I don't think anyone has a clue what goes into taking control of your own cancer treatment involves.  

    Like a lot of you, I've only been able to snag a few interviews in the past year but have been submitting online apps like crazy.  It is really frustrating as you don't even get a chance to explain the gap in employment.  Sometimes think the computer just spits out my resume automatically when it detects the gap in employment.  I'm thinking I might start doing cold calls where I just walk my resume into different places.  Has anyone tried this, yet? 

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited January 2012

    Kate: I haven't tried doing cold calls, I would be very shy about doing that. I've just being doing online applications like you. But it can be so easy to do an online applications (sometimes at least) that I think the employers get a deluge of applications from many people that have no interest in the position and then the applications and resumes are probably scanned for keywords and if you don't have those you are out of luck.

    But I'm getting desperate now. I'm thinking of putting up flyers looking for housekeeping/cleaning work. One of my volunteer positions is at a non-profit agency when I help out in their tech center. Ironically, what I mostly do is help clients create resumes and look for job openings online.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Mary- That is what my sister ended up doing (housekeeping) when she couldn't find a job but found hers from word of mouth.  

    I check several sites at least once a day- Craigslist, Indeed.com, etc. and have set up profiles on the websites of companies I want to work for.  Most will email you if any job becomes available with the key words you put in.  (I used to work for the airlines so have these set up on all the airlines with bases in my city.)  You're right about the key words.  Now when I see a job advertised I pull certain key words out of their ad and make sure they appear in my resume.  So far no luck with that, though.   

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited January 2012
    Are you folks on linked in? There are jobs posted there as well.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    lago- I haven't been on that one, yet.  I will go check it out.  Thanks!  :)

  • FLwarrior
    FLwarrior Member Posts: 977
    edited January 2012

    Oh boy, can I ever relate to this thread!  I was working in a hospital at the time of my dx. My MO strongly suggested/recommended that I take short term disability to get through chemo. He did not think it would be good for me to be around all of the illness/germs when my counts were low. (I was neo-adjudavant...chemo first then UMX)  I went in and talked to my manager about my dx and about me taking short term disability.  She said sure and anything they could do to help they would...that lasted a whole 3 days!  My last day at work would be Thursday, well on Wednesday she told me they would only be able to hold my position for 5 weeks...WHAT?  She knew I was looking at being out 24 weeks for chemo, surgery and recovery.  When I was out 5 weeks they posted my position and hired someone else.  At that point I went into a "disability cost-center" no real position to go back to, but still considered an employee, so I could keep my benefits/health insurance as long as I paid for them, which I did.  1 week before my surgery I learned that a few days after surgery I was being "separated" reason being that I had reached the maximum days of leave. WHAT??? This was the first mention of a limit on # of days of leave! They terminated me.   :(   Talk about stressing! I am single and only have my income to survive on... At the point they terminated me, I no longer had benefits because I could not afford COBRA. My insurance coverage ended just a few days after surgery. My short term disability turned into long term disability, but it was not enough to live on, and by this time all of my savings were gone...as soon as I was recovered enough to get back to work, I started the great job hunt.   I did on-line applications and kept a running record of all the jobs I applied for...110 to be exact! Out of that 110 applications/resumes I got 2 telephone interviews and 3 in-person interviews. I did get offers from 2 of the in-person interviews. I am currently working for the 2nd in-person interview/offer, but at a pay rate that is impossible to survive on! SAD!!! I actually like the job, but it just does NOT pay enough! I have not been at such a low pay rate since I was a teenager and I will be 50 on superbowl sunday! SAD!!! Because I am single and have no other income, I had to take any offer to have some income to be able to eat.  My situation was so desperate that I was looking into the homeless shelters when they offered me the job.  Because of the pay rate of this position I had to take it without health insurance...YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They pay a little more if you decline health insurance and then they charge an arm and a leg for health insurance and the coverage is really crappy compared to what I had...I just absolutely could not afford it. You know how terrifying that is?  Very scary position to be in!!!  Back to the idea of the thread...of the 2 in-person interviews neither asked me about the gap in employment. If they had asked me about why I left my last job...I was prepared to tell them that I was separated from my previous employer due to my medical leave expiring and that I received treatment for a medical issue which has been resolved. I was not going to tell them it was bc. Luckily, neither asked me about it.  My current employer has no idea about bc and I do not plan to tell them. (They just think I have a short "dykey" haircut!)  Sorry this is so long...Best of luck to those who are on the hunt! Just keep on and keep on and keep on and you will get bites!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    FLWarrior-  Unbelievable that a hospital would treat their own employee that way when dealing with a medical issue.  That is so wrong on so many levels!  Sorry about your insurance woes.  It's a scary thing to think about not having coverage.  My DH was a pilot for Southwest Airlines but was DX with Parkinson's in March.  We've been covered while he used up all his sick leave but he's now on permanent disability and we have to start paying for insurance through Cobra.  While I'm grateful for the coverage I'm shocked at the price.  But with my history, his medical condition and a school age son at home we have no choice.  I'm just glad he has disability insurance but am hoping I can snag some kind of job to make things easier.  Thanks for the encouragement and good luck with your new job.  I hope the pay improves for you. 

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited January 2012

    FLwarrior: Wow and wow ... how could they? And can they do that? I thought there was some law against terminating employees because of a cancer diagnosis, which is what they did to you. I find it hard to believe that those in one of the "caring professions" could be so heartless. Are you still looking for another job, or do you have time with your present position? 

    Many people who have found jobs in the down economy say their job offers came from networking. I've often been told that it's important to be on LinkedIn. I am, but I really need to develop my profile. Kate, you probably have lots of contacts from previous jobs that you could connect with on LinkedIn. You should try it. I was a telecommuter for nine years before I was laid off, so had almost no face-to-face contact with my associates, which doesn't help now when it's all about relationships. When you join LinkedIn, search for people you worked for in the past and ask to reconnect with them. You never know where it might lead. 

    About keywords -- I applied for the local civil service exams at the most basic level. My application was rejected and I missed the deadline for the exam I'd applied for. When I called to ask why, I was told that I wasn't qualifed as they needed people with office experience and that my application/resume did not use the keywords they were looking for  -- telephone and typewriter. Yeah, typewriter! I've been a desktop publisher for years and use the phone and type daily, but haven't seen a typewriter since the 80s.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited January 2012

    Another place to check out for great job hunting advice is:

    http://www.asklizryan.com/ 
    She has a free forum that I have been on for years here: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/asklizryan/

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited January 2012

    LinkedIn is great and you can sign up for daily emails with jobs.  The postion for which I am interviewing is from a LinkedIn alert.  COBRA is dreadfully expensive but so glad I have it.  Deduct. met and out of pocket hit so good to go.  Funny, the month before I left my job I changed my insurance from the HMO to the PPO and am so very glad now.  Don't know why I did it as the HMO was working fine for me. Then the DX came in.  And yes, I actually quit my job in this economy.  It was a bad job in a hostile place with mean people.  My DH supported the decision as he knew the stress coupled with BC would be too much.  Altough we obviously took a hit to our income - I think it was he right thing to do (that said as I filled with optimism - check back next week and see how I feel if I don't get the job.)

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited January 2012

    Teresa: good luck on Wednesday! Although you say short-term, seven months is pretty good and you never know what it might lead to.

    I'm not familiar with using LinkedIn alerts for jobs. I must try and figure that out.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012
    What's hard for me is in my "early days" I got every job I ever applied for.  (Maybe I didn't have much competition- lol- or maybe I was just more confident back then.)  The rejection is really hard to take (and not take personally).  Now it seems as though employers want someone to come in with the exact set of skills they are looking for and won't even consider any on the job training.  I have to laugh because I applied for a job at our library which was basically just re-shelving books (desperate times call for desperate measures).  They said I wasn't qualified because I had never had a job that worked with the Dewey Decimel System before.  LOL!  I'm pretty sure know one has except those who have had a job re-shelving books at the library.  I wanted to say, "You know, I do know the alphabet and have been a library patron for years, so pretty sure that whole Dewey thing would be a piece of cake."  Smile

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