The Fungal Theory

impositive · October 2011

I wouldn't say I'm without recurrence yet. The PET "lit up" nodes in the armpit on my bc side. I wont know until after biopsy what my status is. AND I certainly haven't been perfect with my diet, etc. I get lax often. It takes something like this (unfrotunately) to put a foot in my butt and get back on track.

I couldn't find the post where I provided the link but basically...Herceptin is made from injecting mice with a particular antigen (cancer), the mouse then makes antibodies to the antigen. Those cells are then isolated from the mouse's spleen. Monoclonal antibodies are then produced by chemically fusing single antibody-forming cells to tumor cells grown in culture. The resulting cell is called a "hybridoma." They then allow the hybridomas to multiply in culture and there you have monoclonal antibodies. I guess the problem comes in because these are cells from mice and our bodies see them as foreign and therefore reacts. Virginia Livingston Wheeler, a doctor and researcher who believed microbes and cancer are intimately linked, actually treated her patients with the same sort of vaccine,only they were produced by the cancer patient themselves...not mice, with reportedly great success.

Here is the link to the herceptin website. You can read the side effects there.

http://www.herceptin.com/safety.html

Ang7 · October 2011

I was told that they do not use mice anymore...

Hindsfeet · October 2011

Thanks impositive. I did look further in herceptin and it seems that it only works with chemo? Why? HER2+ is said to be a gene. Is it a gene the cancer produces? I haven't looked much into herceptin because it wasn't relevant to me up until now. I did read last night what it can do to your heart. What about herceptin puts the heart at risk? There seems to be women here on bco with HER2+, who seem to be doing ok. It's a little alarming that the HER2+ is very aggressive, and yet impositive the pet scan didn't show mets anywhere in your body other than your nodes. You would think that the aggressiveness of its nature would had moved your invasive cancer elsewhere by now.

impositive · October 2011

That is my hope eve...that we got it all and it hasn't moved. They did a SNB and my nodes were negative so to have possible cancer there now is a little confusing to me. I have resolved to stay low carb. The only sugar I allow myself is fruit (apple, lemon, lime) and that's becasue with apples, you also get the fiber to counter act with the fructose. As I said, I haven't been perfect but hopefully what I have been able to do has helped.

I had those same questions about herceptin. I dont know if I ever found out the mechanism that damages your heart. Be sure and ask your doc and pass the info along if you get any answers!

impositive · October 2011

Ang7, I would love to follow up on that. Do you know who told you that and where I could get more information?

Hindsfeet · October 2011

Impositive, I don't know if I'm reading it right or not, on your dx, you are er and pr - ? I heard that estrogen - tumors don't respond to chemo or a lot of the drugs and is very aggressive, yet for you it hasn't? ?Again, you must be doing something right...and your diet is good...I've been off and on a sugar free diet.

Ang7 · October 2011

Sure impositive~

I think it was my oncologist. I will ask for her source if it was her...

Hindsfeet · October 2011

http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/understanding-the-condition-of-cancer/

Today there is a growing list of researchers finding that anti fungal medicines kill cancer cells. Scientists of the German Cancer Research Center have discovered that the antibiotic/antifungal griseofulvin counteracts tumors forcing cancer cells into cell death. Professor Dr. Alwin Krämer, head of the Clinical Molecular Hematology/Oncology at the University of Heidelberg found that griseofulvin causes cancer cells to build malformed, multipolar spindles, which eventually leads to cell death by apoptosis. In healthy cells, however, the antibiotic does not cause spindle malformations. 2007, 2008 dx dcis highgrade, Jan 2011, mucinious stage 1, Sept 2011, IDC high grade
Diagnosis: 10/4/2011, IDC, Grade 3, ER+/PR+

impositive · October 2011

Eve, thanks for that interesting article I liked the what the final paragraph said:

Everyone agrees that cancer is an uncontrolled proliferation of cells but it really does matter whether we conceive of them as out of control fungi and yeast infections or genetically triggered human cells because our concept of cancer determines how we will approach its treatment. We are in desperate need of a clear image of what cancer is and the process that leads up to it, that causes it. What could be more important to the cancer world than this?

That is all we have been trying to point out with this thread! Researchers need to stop ignoring/overlooking the that fact that these microbes and cancer could be linked. They cant dismiss this until they have studied it thoroughly. People are too quick to dismiss this theory!

soulswithin · October 2011

Great thread here, Impositive. Good luck on your recent tests. Take care. Thnx to everyone for their research. It stands to reason that decayed cells could be vulnerable to cancer. I would love to see some studies done with cancer patients, based on a health nut group and another group thatnever cared about what they ate, junk food etc.

There were quit a few years in my life where i was exposed to chemicals plus i used to garden with the potent chemicals. Im guessing that was one cause for me.

Lol, regarding dismissing theories, therefore progress has been stalled, and just as barbaric in treatments as the past, reminds me of my photography forums discussing the new age of cameras
and how photographers wont buy into them because they are afraid of change and costs. dont know
what to do with all their old equipment! Lol.....yep that is why we dont get anywhere with cancer,
nobody wants to budge with theory. Joining forces would involve too much money loss!

impositive · October 2011

You are so right soulswithin. I was discussing a recent large study on the SNB procedure with my melanoma surgeon that shows they're not beneficial in cancer patients and cause more harm than is necessary. He said he was very familiar with the study, however, it was obvious that because SNB is what he was taught, he refuses to see it any other way. Left brained people, which is what most scientists and doctors seem to be are especially stubborn when it comes to change. My 46 year old DH is one of those left brains! He still refuses to embrace what his computer can do for him and continues to keep his lists, spreadsheets, etc. on paper, lol! I try to show him how much easier it would be to store all this on his hard drive but he says, "This is the way I have always done it and it's worked for me." He still keeps phone numbers written on scraps of paper all over his office. I say, "Why dont you put these in your cell phone so you have them all in one place and on hand when you need them?" Sigh....I have given up trying to convince him, lol.

soulswithin · October 2011

Lol, yep alot of left brainers out there! Lol. Yeah, and the bureaucracy within the two theories would stop any advancement for sure. I,ve had melanoma twice also. I always thought it strange that the protocol for melanoma with a 20%recurrance/death chance is no treatment at all other than surgery. But breast cancer puts you through hell with all their years of medications, and life changing chemo and radiation. I did them all, and boy, its hard to get a life back. Not true with the melanoma i was playing tennis ten days later. With breast cancer i will never be the same. Neuropathy, torn shoulder, ovary pain, weight gain, fatigue, loss of hair, aging with painful joints. This all seems so crazy.

However i do know a great gal who died recently trying natural treatments and no surgery.
There is no answer to whether we are doing the right thing. And dont forget their is the viral theory too whi h is closer to my case of cancers.

Hindsfeet · October 2011

Impositive...my husband too is very left brain although he does have a pretty good grasp of the computer. Yeah, the left brainers tend to be reluctant to change, but I've had an influence on my husband when it comes to health issues. He said the whole fungal theory makes sense. What's amazing is a lot of people in Oregon seems to already know about the fungal theory or see it as plausable. Perhaps, it's because of all the rain and mold. I'm sure Oregon has naysayers in regard to the fungal theory. I haven't met them at least not in my circle.

soulswithin...sorry for all you've had to go through. I'really struggle with cancer treatment for all the reasons you mentioned and a few more. My philosophy has always been cut the bad part out of the apple or it will destroy the whole apple. But for most treatments ...I can't wrap my head around chemo, rads and tamoxifen. When I read the side effects, I am not sure what to be more fearful of...cancer, or all the complications from med's and etc. There are those who seem to make it through treatment, but at what price? And many don't. They might not die of cancer, but from complications of their treatment. Then there are those who do the surgery, and alternative, who are survivors. You won't find them here at bco, but there are forums where you can learn from those who are alternative survivors.

I am curious about the person who went alternative, without surgery. What was her dx? How long did she live after dx? What alternative protocol did she use?

impositive · October 2011

Souls, Sorry to hear about all the side effects treatment has caused. That really stinks! I wonder if the reason they dont do anything with melanoma is because there are really no "promising" drugs to treat it. Interferon is pretty much it and I've heard it's pretty toxic. BC has tons of drugs they can throw at it so they do. I too was more scared of the side effects. I heavily weighed my choices...we never know if we made the right decision.

impositive · October 2011

eve, I ran into an old friend and we were chatting about my bc and what I was doing. She said she has had two close relatives who had cancer and underwent conventional treatment. They both died of heart attacks from the side effects of chemo. She said one was her grandmother. She was NED after treatment but the chemo had damaged her heart and it failed her 3 years later.

Hindsfeet · October 2011

impositive, I talked to a sweet woman at Church this morning, who I believe first had breast cancer, and later stomach cancer. She literally said that she was poison. The side effects of all the treatments have taken a huge toll on her life. She is now 57 and lost a lot of the will to live. She's tired, wornout, and done with it all. After listening to her story, I knew for sure it is not the path I want to travel. I invited her to bco and the other website for support.

Hindsfeet · October 2011

Today I spoke with another naturalpath. He probed down my spine and said my problems were yeast overgrowth, infections and stomach issues. He feels until I address those issues that I won't get well. He said to stop taking the iodine as it can cause problems in the intestines. He also said that my body isn't getting the nutrition I need to support the immune system. He said that my immune system and adrenal glands are exhausted. Also my whole nervous system was off. He had me raised my leg and try to keep him from pushing down on my leg. My leg was so weak. He polked in my stomach or colon. He asked me to raise my leg again. I did, and it had amazing strength. He said my electrial or nervous system switches were turned off and he was tunring them back on. I felt so much stronger afterwards...weird.

hj gave me this diet

This is a yeast free 3 month diet he suggested I go on.

Nothing white! No sugar.

Eat fruit, especially for breakfast and I can only put it in yogurt.

Take H. Acid when eating ANYTHING cooked.

So...I said, doesn't fruit turn into sugars that the yeast can feed on.

He said if the yeast can't get the sugars it needs it will feed on our hormones, especially estrogen.

I thought maybe this is why my estrogen count was so high...96%

Anonymous · October 2011

evebarry, are you on a gluten-free diet? If not, gluten could be preventing your body from absorbing vitamins properly. Also, you may want to eat kefir instead of yogurt. It has a lot more good bacteria. I wouldn't worry too much about the sugar in fruit. But, make sure you are drinking enough water. Your urine should be clear.

In cases of candida-related estrogen dominance, it helps to detox the body, especially the liver, and the candida itself. Your ND is right. Once detox is done, it's pretty easy to balance your hormones. Your body already knows what to do.

Sharon

Hindsfeet · October 2011

Sharon, I try to eat gluten free. I've pretty much stop eating bread about a year ago due to the yeast problem.

I have a few questions ... hope impositive comes on board...could use her expertise here as well.

The NP I saw yesterday said I should be taking Zypan twice a day. Do you know anything about Zypan?

Second...the other thing he suggested was Lactic Acid Yeast. The yeast part makes me nervous. What do you all know about taking lactic acid yeast?

impositive · October 2011

Sorry eve, I dont know much about either of these. Zypan seems to be a digestive enzyme. Digestive enzymes come highly recommended for cancer patients by many natural paths. I think Dr Nick Gonzalez uses them in his approach. So they may be a good idea...just dont know anything about Zypan.

All fungi, yeast included made me nervous and still does. However, what I am seeing is that yeast (fungi) compete with themselves as well as bacteria etc. to survive. So it could be that lactic acid yeast could be effective in that it balances the good/bad yeast ratios in the GI. Again, I know nothing about lactic acid yeast but while looking it up, I saw one particular one used corn. If you choose one, I would make sure it doesn't include corn since WHO says it is almost universally contaminated with mold and mycotoxins. Plus, you have the GMO factor with corn.

Medicinal mushrooms have been used for years. There must be something to them right? I took a big leap (for me) and started drinking Chaga tea daily. There are several promising studies on pubmed regarding the "mushroom" that grows on birch trees, as well as online info. These have been used in Russia for centuries but only recently has the western world been aware of them. There are so many folk remedies that were successful. There is much anecdotal evidence but no "science" behind them. They have fallen by the wayside with the advent of pharmaceuticals. I sometimes have faith in those much more so than today's "remedies." So I am drinking Chaga.

I would ask many questions and research what you can find out about these then do what feels right to you. Sorry I could be more helpful.

Anonymous · October 2011

Evebarry, zypan is a digestive enzyme used to reduce "bad" bacteria in the stomach and colon. Enzymes eat fibrin, so that's good for cancer patients. I take digestive enzymes now (not zypan) only when I eat meat. That's once per week. I don't like the idea of a dead animal rotting in my stomach. And, I believe lactic acid yeast is good for you too. It provides the body with natural lactic acid to help create proper PH balance. It also promotes a healthy intestinal environment.

impositive · January 2012

Just ran across an interesting video at Ted.com. Paul Stamets, a mycobiologist is the speaker. The title is 6 Ways Mushrooms Can Save the World. Since mushrooms are of course a fungus, I thought I would post it here because it kind of relates to the subject of this thread. However, instead of looking at the harmful aspects of fungi, he is looking at its useful aspects.

He says fungi were the first organisms to ever exist. They are nature's disposal system. Also, he states fungi use radiation as a source of energy much like plants use light and they can grow with such ferocity that they can break asphalt. It's all fascinating to me.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html

What's more (and what some of you might find more interesting) is the next video of the same mycobiologist talking about another mushroom...turkey tail. There's an article and a video.

article: http://blog.ted.com/2011/10/28/tedmed-catching-up-with-paul-stamets-mushroom-innovator/

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W0G1_A1fs&feature=BFa&list=ULLgFRyuMwODU&lf=mfu_in_order

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