The Fungal Theory

I don't know impositive~

I did do surg/chemo but I also see it as a "lifetime commitment to change".  I did not just go back to eating food that was bad for me and not exercising etc.  My experience was not just "one year".  It was also a lifestyle change. 

Digger, I appreciate that you care and that you seem geniunely concerned. Thanks

 First, I think for myself. Impositive has never told me what to do in regard to my cancer treatment. She said whatever I chose she would support me. The summer before coming to the fungal theory thread, I had a strong suspecion that many of my problems was yeast related. After being away from bco for awhile, I happened on this thread, when impositive began posting. I was already intriqued. This thread inspired me to do my own research and I've come to many of the same conclusions. I'm not sure if fungal is the cause of cancer, but is indeed a major factor in many cancers. Just because someone posts here on boc doesn't mean I swallow it hook, line and sinker. I do respect impositve a lot! She is battling skin cancer and is going through a lot hersef. I admire that she studies the fungal theory likes she does. I admire anyone who searches for the truth. I admire anyone who thinks for themselves.  I just don't want to follow the pipe pipper, the doctor. I want to know why, what the side effects are, risk factors and so on. I will find a doctor who will dialogue with me. I want to partner with my doctor and in the end make the choice to my treatment plan.

 I won't know absolutely for sure if I have cancer until sometime next week after the biopsy on MOnday. My rad doc strongly believes it is cancer. With my history, and what the doc said, I wouldn't be surprised, but hope it is nothing to worry about. If it is cancer, I will probably get a blmx. I hope this will take care of the problem once and for all.

If ever I was to be dx with early or invasive cancer, I would do as I've done at each of my three cancer dx. I would go back to square one and again look at my options. The amusing thing each time after re-thinking my options, I've come back to the same conclusions, lumpectomy only...except now, I'm tired of it all. I don't trust my breast anymore. It's been said that a timebomb is in my breast. The doctors, surgeons said my breast wants to produce cancer cells.

I have found doctors, whom I've had very rational discussions with. My second bc surgeon listened to all my questions, and found my reasoning sound. She said she liked to partner with her patients (sadly she moved)> Most surgeon pretty much treats all cancer patients the same. My last cancer was mucinious cancer. It is not an aggressive cancer. I couldn't get my surgeon to read the latest report on mucinous cancer, the Perkins Report, which says that this type of cancer rarely goes into the nodes. Since it was protocol to take out the nodes for invasive cancer, she took them out. I don't want to do something because it's protocol. I want to do something because it's right. I want all the knowledge, facts, and studies in front of me before pursuing anything.

Can diet get rid of cancer? I don't think anyone here on the fungal theory thread would say that. But, a good diet, and leaving off sugar will hopefully help  me live a better quality of life...and a longer life. Systemic fungal overgrowth is so inbedded in our tissues, which is why it's hard to kill. Cancer is hard to kill. Can the two be one in the same? That's the question here on this thread...and we're discussing it, and our yeast problems (to at least solve that problem we're too plagued with).

I respect all my bc sisters who have made different choices than I have made so far. I am here to support them as well.

So...right now, I'm going to enjoy my weekend, and catchup on some projects. There is no need for me to think about the next move until after I get the biopsy results.

I, too, have had nothing but encouraging feedback from Impositive, even when I clearly stated that I didn't believe cancer was a fungus, but I supported her right to examine every angle of fungus illnesses in relation to BC.  

In medical history and science, many breakthroughs have happened courtesy of serendipity and it seems more than likely that one or more alternative remedies could prove to be invaluable if it could be properly studied and tweaked to find the optimum use.  Recently the scientific and medical communities were excited by the complete remission of two out of three end stage leukemia patients following a small medical trial into an altered virus.  Yet when several people come forward to say their alternative regime has had similar results, they are disbelieved and shunned even when offering their full medical records.  No one considers they could be staring at a potential cure and letting it pass by with millions losing the opportunity to benefit each year.  Fortunately some of the work of Otto Warburg is now being taken seriously after nearly 80 years, notably in the calorie restriction diets (CRD) or Metformin which mimics a CRD, teamed with high antioxidant supplements which inhibit glycolysis which he discovered is the main energy path for solid cancers which are denied blood sugar due to the CRD.  I therefore have hope that all "sides" can come together and act respectfully towards each other for the common good. 

I have seen Impositive encourage others to follow whatever treatment plan they are comfortable with.  I feel she has been treated harshly by many on this thread with little if any justification and not enough acknowledgement of all her hard work while having to deal with many other issues and responsibilities in her life.  I wish there were more like Impositive on these boards.

I also think it's disrespectful to assume that Eve will blindly follow any advice as she is a very smart woman going through multiple recurrences and I can't imagine having to face all those decisions again.  Here's hoping Eve, that all your news is good this week.

SAS, From wikipedia..

Otto Heinrich Warburg

"In 1924, Warburg hypothesized that cancer, malignant growth, and tumor growth are caused by the fact that tumor cells mainly generate energy (as e.g. adenosine triphosphate / ATP) by non-oxidative breakdown of glucose (a process called glycolysis). This is in contrast to "healthy" cells which mainly generate energy from oxidative breakdown of pyruvate. Pyruvate is an end-product of glycolysis, and is oxidized within the mitochondria. Hence, and according to Warburg, cancer should be interpreted as a mitochondrial dysfunction. 

The concept that cancer cells switch to glycolysis has become widely accepted, even if it is not seen as the cause of cancer. Some suggest that the Warburg phenomenon could be used to develop anticancer drugs.[10] Meanwhile, cancer cell glycolysis is the basis of positron emission tomography (18-FDG PET), a medical imaging technology that relies on this phenomenon."

So it is nearly 80 years since his discovery, known as the Warburg effect, which won him a nobel prize.  He won many awards and a medal is still given in his name for pioneering research in Germany.

Later he "wrote about oxygen's relationship to the pH of cancer cells internal environment. Since fermentation was a major metabolic pathway of cancer cells, Warburg reported that cancer cells maintain a lower pH, as low as 6.0, due to lactic acid production and elevated CO2. He firmly believed that there was a direct relationship between pH and oxygen. Higher pH means higher concentration of oxygen molecules while lower pH means lower concentrations of oxygen.wrote about oxygen's relationship to the pH of cancer cells internal environment. Since fermentation was a major metabolic pathway of cancer cells, Warburg reported that cancer cells maintain a lower pH, as low as 6.0, due to lactic acid production and elevated CO2. He firmly believed that there was a direct relationship between pH and oxygen. Higher pH means higher concentration of oxygen molecules while lower pH means lower concentrations of oxygen. "

This is the more controversial part of his work, yet an alkaline diet may in fact be important in cancer treatment for other reasons.  We must be careful not to dismiss any research if it doesn't satisfy our requirements as there may be other factors causing the effect that deserve further research. 

I applaud all research and enquiring minds that keep pushing the envelope.  Even critics force researchers to make their work easier to grasp and that can lead to more breakthroughs.

SAS, I've never known you to be dismissive, you come across as very knowledgeable and professional and I look forward to all your posts. I especially love that you appreciate both sides, medical and alternative   I just wanted to elaborate on the work of a man who was brilliant for his time.  I think a lot of what he did is yet to reach it's fruition.

OXOXO to all of us.

Impositive---------please don't leave you are the glue for this thread. Your concentrated research on fungal alternative, is central. Please read my posts again, I don't believe I disrespected you. It is the reverse. If we didn't have your posts , we wouldn't know that the research was going on.

I think everyone is just doing the best they think they should. Words sometimes mess up communication so bad sometimes, when the intent of there use is better understanding.  Then on the turn of a phrase -----kafluey.

 I think Joys reference to Warburg is similar to what I'm saying. He spent his whole life following his Theories. A Nobel to boot. Yet in the short reading of him. I know his work has not received the recognition it should have. But science is alot like that. In an unknown time, someone will rediscover his work b/c it fit into whatever the researcher was working on.

What I enjoy here is the free support of ideas. Yours too. Diggers , Eve's, Joys. I haven't contributed much b/c I'm not searching like I used to. Brain doesn't work like it used too. Bummer. Since "Little Bean" now has me back on the dx/find right docs/ and treatment, this will be limited even more--Double bummer. Hells bells if you leave now, it'll put me in a mess. Cuz I know my immune system isn't right and it's related to fungus somehow or it's manifesting it self that way by symptoms-------thrush and vag yeast that are to ready to rear their ugly heads, if I simply overheat to much or use too much vinegar(great salad the other night, overdid the dressing, thrush in the morning). I may be looking forward too something that will wipe me out b/c of the fungal thing. Then who do I talk to about that, not my docs for sure.

L&H's and deep respect for what you are trying to accomplish. sas

Oh impositive~

You don't have to apologize to me.  I probably took it wrong...

I do enjoy reading this thread.

EvE        continuing prayers and thoughts for positive outcome. ----------Went right back to probx's on the tongue. Have to remember not to breathe in just as I'm doing it-duh powder in the trachea. cough cough cough. I agree, if yeast does the things it does that we can see. What is it doing to the things we can't see.

Impositive---------I also hope you come up with your usual good research Also, very happy you are not leaving ((((((((((H)))))))))))))

I did not read about seeding until after my steriotactic bx. by then it was a done situation. Since i was dead set on a BMX bilat b/c of a horrrible family history, my concern was whether we were moving fast enough. I had to manipulate the system b/c my brain tumor was dx'd the same time as breastbx. They refused to do bmx until neurosurgery cleared me for the brain tumor. BS said see you in 3 months. I said we can't wait that long the clean mammo with a f/u MRI not quite four months later said it was likely very aggressive. The path of the bx supported that. I pushed buttons and was on the table less than a month latter. Final path it went from grade 2 to grade 3 in 3 weeks. Relook at bx path confirmed no sampling error. If I hadn't known how to push the system, I likely wouldn't be writing this.

But I may have made an error on not pushing for a dx on the brain tumor. All that was offered was a full craniotomy. My search now pulled up eyebrow surgery. It's called "skull base surgery" It is for tumors on the bottom side of the brain and skull. No one brought it up last go around and yet, I now find out it's about a decade old. Even at the biggest cancer center in the state for a second opinion------no mention. I feel cheated----------why go to specialists, unless they are going to tell you about the latest breakthroughs in treatment. DUH When I brought up to my ONC last week, he had never heard of it. But since the doc was one they referred to he was happy b/c there was a trust in skills already there. They may still want to watch it and check growth , but at least then I would be with a doc that would have the skills to do the least invasive surgery and know if I was a candidate for the surgery b/c he is skilled in all approaches.

I'm calling my doctor to ask for another prescription of diflucian, follow by nystatin. I'm going to try not to eat any thing white, and sweet. I'll be taking idoral, coconut oil, and other anti-fungal supplements. I am going to starve this cancer and hit the yeast culpret hard. After the anti fungal meds, detox. Next, try not to stress out over getting a mx. This is going to be hard for me, but I've got to to do it.

Eve, if you mean it's Her2+ and they are offering you Herceptin, there  are many discussions here about the risks.  If I remember correctly it has to be given with chemo for the first few infusions, but if you've already had chemo once maybe you won't need it again.  The problem with Herceptin is it's fairly new and the overall survival results may not be as good as promised, but that won't be known for sure till sufficient time has passed to see if women from the original trials are surviving longer or not.  

Heart problems are the major concern and they monitor the heart closely and wait for it to recover if there are problems, but a few women continue to have heart problems.  Heart problems have to be weighed against the risk of mets which are higher for Her 2+.   Wornout Mom and Ruth's mother (Nanay) were also Her2+ so there are a lot of posts on this subject on WOM's old "survivors using alternatives" thread.  I seem to remember WOM wanted to have Herceptin without the chemo but they wouldn't do it as the statistics show the combination is superior to just Herceptin alone.

This is a contentious issue with the traditionalists feeling it's a wonder drug which has lessened the mets toll on the Her2 forum, and those who are more cautious.

Impositive was Her2+ and so maybe she can be of more help.

evebarry~

I do remember seeing a movie "Living Proof" that tells about the Dr. who invented Herceptin.   I just cannot remember if it concentrated on the drug and not really the side effects...

Impositive you mentioned once that herceptin are antibodies from mice cancer antibodies. I can't remember all that you wrote about it...got to search back but recall whatever you wrote it made sense.  What side effects scare you? You are HER+ without further occurence? The pet scan didn't find cancer in your liver or lungs? You would think that such a highly aggressive cancer they would have found cancer cells elsewhere...yet they didn't. You must be doing something right.

I'm not about to take herceptin without researching it.