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  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    Pioneers...I LIKE THAT SHEILA!

  • thats-life-
    thats-life- Member Posts: 1,075
    edited September 2011

    Dr Expert gives me 15 minutes a month to discuss my life and death situation, he is my hero ;)

    (i will go back to lurking, just wanted to say that i have found this thread very interesting. my BF had glandular fever in her teens and was put on the anticandida diet. it changed her life for the better, i have lots of allergies, potential fungal chronic sinusitis, was dxd as allergic to the millions of fungal spores in the tropical town i lived in for 4 yrs, i had to move back south..athsma, rashes etc, i too, thank you all for the time and energy that you put into these threads)

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    I agree that's-life-,  I think everyone would benefit from the anticandida diet as I think fungus is the root of many of our problems.  Interesting story....My DD, (the one who had to have the mold remediated from her house) is still having health problems.  Her diet is horrible...lots of bread...no fruits or veggies.  I have tried to encourage her to change her diet but she says she can't give up bread.  She was a perfectly healthy 25 year old until they moved into this house.  Among other health issues, Sunday she had to have emergency surgery to have her gall bladder removed.  I found it interesting as I read the brochure that the hospital gave her regarding gall stones and bladder attacks.  It said, of course, they're not sure why people get stones but attacks are sometimes brought on by what the patients eat.  Then in the Q&A portion, a question asked was,  "Once I have my gallbladder removed, do I need to change my diet?"  The answer was, "No, you can continue to eat all the things you normally like to eat."....Huh?  Does that make sense?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    IMPOSITIVE that statement made about Pioneers was made by JOYS, But I entirely agree with her.  If you ever have a chance to catch the full story about Einstein Theories. It took years to prove and much effort on many peoples part. Conversely, a fella was given the Nobel prize for Lobotomy. 

    What once was , may not be now, what considered radical at one time is now mainstream. This is a place for the thoughts of change. If we wish to consider those thoughts with others. Then we should be able to. If someones to have a reasonable exchange of ideas. GREAT. BUT don't knock us.

    I follow all----alternative/ complimentary / and orthodox.  Hells bells-------followed orthodox for 6 months after Keflex caused Candidasis. Terrible thrush. But I have been a believer in probiotics since the seventies. In this instance, even though I was taking probiotics, it wasn't near enough. I had to take 4-5 times what I was taking. Thrush of six months treatment with orthodox meds, My ENT doc suggests probiotics.  I had the powder at home for use on  the dogs food. In 24 hours of putting  the powder on my tongue several times a day--------majorly gone. Now I add it to my yogurt and cereals and whatever daily. Keflex will never pass my lips again----It also caused major vag yeast infections--------I dreaded each time during the surgery year , of the pre-op/postop routine of Keflex b/c I knew what was coming. But as I say this last dose started down a slippery slope, that my body did not want to respond too. That's when I found the fungal thread. Who better to share that story with than others that might have the same problem.

    There was once in the early 80's that a friends friend , had a child in the ICU with uncontrolled diarrhea. They attributed the diarrhea to multiple dose of antibx's over the year. I suggested what then was known as brewers yeast and or yogurt that did not have the culture killed. The Doc responded in that situation with----We have tried everything else. They did it and the child's diarrhea stopped in 24 hours. The word PROBIOTICS was not coined until 1996. But super infections caused by antibx's were known for several decades. Could we talk about it ---no.

    There is a place for all discourse which means -----to talk. If the addition of individuals that want to say -----hey I don't agree and this is why--------that's discourse. But please, add only that which improves the discourse and does not demean it.

    Carola-----Thank you for your addition to the discussion, it was greatly appreciated b/c of some very good points re:exchange of ideas

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    SAS, JoyLiesWithin is also Sheila.  I am so used to calling her by her former avatar that I dont even think about it!  Sorry to have confused you.  

    And Joy, I will try to address you by your current avatar!  

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    Impositive---------------JOYS will get this, they're so few Sheila's-------except in Austarlia-----which Lordy it's put on the bathrooms.  JOYS-----------one time when I worked in an operating department there were three Sheila's . We always laughed when the three of us were together and they'd call on the intercom for Sheila---------Which one?

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited September 2011
  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    I wanted to comment on your post, evebarry, back on 9/13 regarding antifungal drugs and prostate cancer.  When you posted that John Hopkins article, it made me think of something I had found and posted some time ago but our conversation became side tracked.  It was regarding the link between the tumor marker PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen) and fungus. 

    We've all heard of this tumor marker, right?  We know that elevated levels of serum PSA are associated with prostate cancer. Chemically, PSA is a 33-kDa serine pretease, which was found to be produced by the molds Aspergillus flavus,A. fumigatus, A. aryzae, Ophiostoma piceae, and Scedossporium apiospermum-all of which happen to be of the Ascomycete (sac) group of fungi.  (So its not so "prostate specific" is it?)

    Could it be that these "cancer" patient's blood is testing positive for mold?!  When a test comes back highly suspect or positive they call it "cancer". Could it be a systemic fungal infection?

    Just another indication of the role of fungus in this disease we call "cancer". 

    To take this further...May 1, 1997 - Medical Tribune article states"Antifungal agent lowers PSA levels, study finds."   The  antifungal drug Nizoral (ketaconazole) has demonstrated it's ability to actually decrease PSA levels.  So we have two studies using different antifungal drugs and both are shown to lower PSA levels. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    Another tumor marker, CA19-9 (carbohydrate antigen) is mostly related to cancers of the pancreas but also found in lung cancer and inflammatory conditions of the intestines, such as ulcerative colitis.  A fungus, Aspergillus, was again found to be associated with high levels of this tumor marker, CA19-9, in a case study where a young man with asthma.  CA19-9 was elevated and he has a worsening cough. Enlarged lymph nodes in his chest seen upon x-ray were suspicious for lymphoma or lung cancer, especially given his elevated levels of CA19-9.  Further investigation revealed positive blood tests for Aspergillus fumigatus  IgE (allergic) antibodies and A. fumigatus -precipitating antibody (antibodies to this mold were found in his blood stream.) He was treated for allergic bronchopulmonary aspergilliosis.

    Elevated CA19-9 levels are also seen with cystic fibrosis and idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis as well.  Do you suppose anyone has correlated these diseases with fungus?  Maybe they should...

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    AFP (alpha-fetoprotein) is another tumor marker mostly related to gonadal or liver tumors as well as hepatitis and cirrhosis. Aflatoxins from aspergillus molds can induce increased levels of the AFP tumor marker.  This not only helps establish the liver cancer-fungus link but also makes perfect sense in light of the fact that aflatoxins are the most potent liver carcinogen in the world.

    Tumor markers....or fungus markers?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    IMPOSITIVE--------good info. All the molds and spores and yeast scare the hell out of me. Keep the info coming

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011
    A minute ago, edited a few seconds ago by sas-schatzi sas-schatzi wrote: I'm re-postig this from another thread. tested hyperlink. There are implications , not just for us, but all women and childernmales ans well as females.

    Hillck-----I'm even more bummed that article was published in DEC 2006. It should have been a Public Health Warning issued from some agency. You noticed that at the end of the article they said they were going to lay low. It was fascinating that the Mongolians to empirically figure this out and have been doing it for 2 thousand years. That's HUGE.

    TO ALL---read the below hyperlink.-----How it affects us is-----what if on days we drink milk that is estrogen loaded and it's fighting with the antiestrogenic drugs we take, would that have any impact on flashing. We have pretty much agreed that alcohol has an impact and sugary drinks. Now we may have to make choices about milk.

    I'm going to add the hyperlink here and re-post it on a couple of threads.

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011
    A few seconds ago sas-schatzi wrote:

    2 minutes ago, edited a few seconds ago by sas-schatzi wrote:  I'm re-postig this from another thread. tested hyperlink. There are implications , not just for us, but all women and childern males as well as females. Children being exposed to high levels of estrogen. Could explain why early onset puberty has been such a problem. AND newborns being born that have signs of going through puberty.

    -I'm even more bummed that article was published in DEC 2006. It should have been a Public Health Warning issued from some agency. You noticed that at the end of the article they said they were going to lay low. It was fascinating that the Mongolians to empirically figure this out and have been doing it for 2 thousand years. That's HUGE.

    TO ALL---read the below hyperlink.-----How it affects us is----- Now we may have to make choices about milk.

    Another thought the government has NOT dealt with the public impact of what this article identifies. Guess it's not politically correct.

    I'm going to add the hyperlink here and re-post it on a couple of threads.

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    Sas, thanks...great article.  It's funny how the FDA wants to "save" us from our supplements but commercially raised milk, with loads of estrogen, "does a body good".  I'm sure there have been studies in the US like the one in Mongolia but the commercial dairy market isn't gonna change their ways anytime soon.

    I have to wonder if there has ever been a study comparing commercially raised cows and grass fed cows....probably not.  It would be interesting to see if the hormone levels are any different.  Commercially raised cows are fed antibiotics (itself a mycotoxin) in grain feed that is universally contaminated with mold.  Zearalenone is a mycotoxin that is highly estogenic.  The European Food Safety Authority has regulated this toxin in their food supply as well as aflatoxin.  In the US, however, it is allowed to be added to our beef supply as a growth promoter!  

    So I wonder if you have a grass fed cow without added mold/antibiotics/mycotoxins (like our ancestors had) if the results would be different?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    IMpositive ----------not if the cows are pregnant and in the last half of their preganancy. The USA allows cows to be milked year round. That was my point. They then send out this estrogen heavy milk. We drink it-------adults , chilren, pregnant women. We are rec'g an unexpected estrogen load.

    I'm taking out all referrences to the other thread, there was a thread where the commented on the post , but didn't read the hyperlink.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited September 2011

    A quote from the documentary Cut Poison Burn...

    There is a doctor, for example in Italy, who believes cancer is caused by a fungus and if you eliminate fungus, you'll eliminate the problem. I don't know if he's right or wrong and I don't pretend to know but it seems to me for god sakes, we ought to find out!! ...it's significantly important for us to find out what is the real problem here...that we should not close the door to looking into all sorts of things.

    Berkley Bedell,  US Congressman,  Iowa 6th  1975-1987

    You can wiew this documetary, in full, for free through the end of today.  It is then available at cutpoisonburn.com....you pick the price you can afford to pay for the download or you can purchase the DVD for $10. 

    http://products.mercola.com/cut-poison-burn-dvd/

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited September 2011

    Yeah, I am glad you are talking about the estrogen and whatever else is in cows milk. Not only are girls maturing way too early, but it's effecting boys as well (estrogen & mycotoxins). Could this be why guys are dx with breast cancer? There is a 14 year old boy at our school, slightly overweight, but I swear this boy should be wearing a bra. His family encourages him to drink milk with his meals.  

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    EVE-------I so agree about the kids. There are so many young male that are obese with man boobs. If they are drinking estrogen/growth hormone laden milk -------could easily be the root of the problem. I've switched to rice milk. It's okay the more I drink it , the more I'm getting used to it. I hope this travels by word of mouth rapidly. Google " milk and risks" . There are so many articles. which tells me as research lover lots of people have been writing and others looking. In a search if you have to jump through hoops to find the info you are seeking that says, little has been published , or it's an orphan topic, or the topic is so new not much has been published.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited September 2011

    This past year has been a tough one in light of health issues. I've had a chronic systemic fungal problem due to antibiotics. Obviously, my immune system is not up to par with all the mouth problems, and infections. The off and on anti-fungal diet and anti-fungal meds isn't enough. I should have kept it up for six months, but that diet is so dreadfully hard.

    I went in for my annual mammogram and the rad doc ordered a biopsy for Monday. She said it very much looks cancerous. Right now it seems surreal. This would be the second dx this year! I need to bite the bullet and just do the blmx. This would be my second dx this year. I contribute this to my chronic systemic fungal problem, and stress. Getting rid of both seems impossible.

  • vickilf
    vickilf Member Posts: 95
    edited September 2011

    I have trush in the right side of my throat for almost a year now from Advair, I take Clotrimazole 5 times a day for 14 days and it stil isn't gone. Anyone have or know of anything natural that will work?

  • vickilf
    vickilf Member Posts: 95
    edited September 2011

    Sas, thanks...great article.  It's funny how the FDA wants to "save" us from our supplements but commercially raised milk, with loads of estrogen, "does a body good". 

     I don't think the FDA helps us one bit and in my opionion they are on the take. I reported the many many side-effects from Statin drugs that some of us, many of us have and they still leave this terrible drug on the market. I sent all my medical records and they still ignore the side-effects. I've been fighting the side-effects for over 15 years now.  I've developed 2 cancers, type 2 diabeties, high blood presssure, diverticulitius, torn tendons, wore 8 braces, develped cataracts, major memory problems, couldn't hardly walk, heart racing, stomach blockage................ just to mention a few medical problems. They ignore all of the same problems a lot of people on Statins report.  (Statins are Lipitor, Mevacore, Zocor.....interested look up side effects from statin drugs)

    I do believe the milk is causing our children to develope early. My son is a doctor and has believed for years milk is not good for us like they claim.   

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited September 2011

    Eve,  So sorry to hear you're facing another possible diagnosis.  With my original diagnosis, I needed a MX. I just couldn't face going through it all again later on so I opted for the BLMX.  I have never regretted it.  It's about peace of mind, especially as ILC doesn't show on mammograms and is hard to feel.  They sometimes tell me I need a mammogram, and I have to laugh (and remind them to read my file).  No more of those thanks, no squishing or waiting for results or manual breast exams.  I know you have problems with surgery, but once it's over and you're recovered, it should be the end of four years of mammogram and surgery nightmares.  If you've been resisting a MX for a long time but have to have a BLMX, then you may want to get some counselling through your cancer centre.  Take care of yourself, de-stress, know we care very much for your welfare and well being.

    I truly hope someone can come up with anti-fungal treatments that really work so you can have relief from that too.

    Love and hugs from Sheila 

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    Eve----we have shared our thoughts by PM. This sucks. Good luck with what ever decision you make.

    Vivk, If you Google :milk and risks" oddles of articles will come up. I figured it would be easier since there were so many articles, it would be best to let people sift through. I'll say again I'm devastated about learning this. I never research milk before. It was like Mom and apple pie. To think how dangerous it is, is a big blow. I remember in the not to distant past of seeing my 26 y/ o son choosing milk instead of soda. AH I had gotten through to him. Then making the call Fri. and saying stop milk now, Go to Rice milk and we will talk.

    Several spoke of mouth pharynx fingal infections. A number of pages back I described using bluebonnet powdered probiotics  several times a day and letting it melt on my tongue, with positive results , after 6 months of problems. Page back and see what you can find.

    Namaste sas

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited September 2011

    Eve, I agree with SAS and hope it didn't seem I was implying you should follow my decision, only that if you do go that way, it's not all bad.  Your news shocked me, and yes, it sucks!

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited September 2011

    About milk~

    I took my 10 year old to the pediatrician for regular check up today and she was all about the milk!

    How much are you drinking?  You should have at least 3 cups a day, maybe more.

    Skip the juice and have milk instead. 

    We drink the Horizon Milk.  She said juice only once a week!  I told her we drink Fruitables which is made of fruit juice and veggie juice.  She was not impressed.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited September 2011

    Vicki, that's a shocking list of side effects from statins.  My husband takes a statin, blood pressure meds and low dose aspirin since his heart problems and having a stent placed in his coronary artery.  I've tried to encourage him to eat a better diet but he's lost interested over the years.  I found this information on alternative cholesterol lowering supplements.  I'm hoping something might be helpful in at least getting hubby on a lower statin dose. Have you any experience with any of these?

    Cholesterol-lowering supplements: Lower your numbers without prescription medication 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited September 2011

    vickilf ... I am concerned, and do I ever understand. It came to a point for me for awhile that it hurt to swallow, talk and eat. I was miserable. I asked the doctor to prescribe diflucian. I took 2 pills ... three days a part. The next week I went on nystatin for three weeks. I had to be on a serious yeast free diet. No sugars, nothing white, no sweet potatoes, carrots or rice. It took about two weeks to feel better and by the third week it was gone. BUT...if you are on drugs or antibiotics it may suppress your immune system to the point that it's compromise. Yeast is a opportunistic micro organism so if your immune system is compromised it takes over. AND...yeast or fungi is hard to get rid of especially when it's systemic. It may hide until the enviromnement is ripe for it to take over again. That's what has happen to me this past year. I never really completely got over it. Fortunately right now, I'm doing well. No mouth sores!

    Sas mentioned putting probiotics on the tongue. It helps too...sometimes you've got to try it all. I never realized how painful mouth sores and thrust can be.

    Let me know how you're doing. I care. EB

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited September 2011

    dear Joy, I am ok with the blmx suggestion. I am about ready to bite the bullet. I'm so done with this. I am concerned about the recovery time. But...the biopsy isn't until Monday. The radiation doctor seems to think it's cancer because of the type of califcations and the way it is. There maybe more, I'm not sure but she was anxious to get me to have a biopsy...the first day, I have time is on MOnday. So...we'll see. Right now, it's surreal.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited September 2011

    I heard from my naturalpath today. I got the results back from my thyroid blood test. This year, it seems that my thyroid numbers are lower, which means my thyroid meds are too high. My antibodies this year has also drastically dropped. I'm wondering if all the anti-fungal drugs is getting rid of the fungal in my bloodstream, which might have caused the thryoid problem in the first place? I'm not sure. The only thing I've done differently this year is a off and on yeast free diet, and fungal med's. Something is making my thyroid improve. Anti-fungal med's may just be what did it.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited September 2011

    Eve - you could be correct---------but what you are trying to do avoidance on is getting rid of the time bombs on your chest, Read ERIC V history on the male thread. He had symptoms of BC that were blown off for ten years b/c he was a male . Now he is 4thstage at 34 . You can live a long time with cancer. We can do all the alternatives we like and say I've lived this much longer. Well may be yes may be no. I looked at my breasts as time bombs waiting to kill me. Now I have to deal with a brain tumor . Which was first-----which caused the onset-----chicken and the egg.  Both are estrogen supported in my case. So, dear one I will be jumping through as many hoops as you in these next few months. Lets hope, we make the right decisions and that those decisions were made in time. L&H"S

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