Radiation Treatment NOW 3 months after Surgery

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  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Barb,   You do fibre art?  WOW that is awesome. I have always loved fibre art but I cant make it.  Its like altered books. I cannot do an altered book. I am trying but its painful for me because it has lots of little doo dads.  But I love fibre for one reason, textures.  I love textures in all arts.   Its my most favorite part of art.  I just cannot do it.  Its so much more easier for me to make something with a paint brush or palette knife.  I think all the little doo dads and pieces drive me crazy and I cant figure out where to put them or how to put them together. 

     How exciting to finally get your art room set up.  I have laminate in my studio because it was way cheaper than what is in my house, hand scraped is too expensive to get paint on.  Anyway, it works well in an art room.  Do you have any blog on your art?  I do but I do not update it regularly now. I should but not quiet there again.   

    Look  at some of these pieces I found on google. Tongue out   my tongue sticks out over this kind of art. LOL

    http://www.google.com/search?q=fibre+artists&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=626&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=roRlTuLKEYHHgAf5t_ipCg&ved=0CDgQsAQ

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011
    sorry Sagina,    I dont know what all the letters stand for. Can you tell me please. What is  MO, BS, and RO .  I think BS is breast surgeon?? Embarassed
  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited September 2011

    MO = medical oncologist, BS = breast surgeon, and RO = radiation oncologist.

    The MO is the one who will give you chemo or tamoxifen, and the RO is the one who will do rads.  

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011
  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    pil, yes, that's the kind of fibre art I do. As for you incorporating it into your art, why not start by using twigs and small rocks. If you paint a seascape you can have the 3D element of 'real' wood and boulders by using real twigs and stones. That's the kind of things I work into my fibre art to give textural dimension.

    You mentioned iodine treatment earlier and I kept meaning to ask you. I'd like to get on board with that. What is the protocol? Strength? etc???

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    That was a very good final article pil!! It said some of what I said about the low benefit percentage and the fact that ER+ is a slower growing cancer. I'm kinda saving my rads chances for if I get bone mets and need the rads for pain relief. Apparently, you can only get so much radiation in your life time. And then what??? You'll die anyway, so what difference does a coule more zaps make?

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Barbe this is why I am saving up.  I am not going to get rads. Ihave made a decision. I do not want them and they have a good chance of causing sarcoma and damaging my heart and lungs.  Forget it. I will take my chances of the slow growing cancer growing back.  Meanwhile I am taking aromasin everyday. :)   I think the mistake of thinking I was already under treatment was a blessing.   I am very sensitive to many things and I am very afraid I will get heart damage. Plus I have a spot on my lung as it is and getting a ct scan tomorrow.  I think it is fine and its been there since my 30's. I believe it is scar tissue.

    As for the iodine I am trying to get all information  as well. There is a so called baking soda and honey therapy as well.  I have read so many things people have claimed healed them.  I am at the point where one size certainly does not fit all so goes treatment for  cancer. 

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Here is another link on older women not getting radiation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuMM5ytkGf4

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited September 2011
    pil - I just wanted to comment on something earlier - I think if any estrogen receptor positive cancer cells escaped from the breast then aromatase inihibitors will keep them from growing by depriving them of estrogen.  So the AIs can help prevent new cancers and prevent recurrences.  That is my understanding.  I think earlier it was mentioned that they only prevent new cancers, but I may have missed a post that already addressed this.  Best wishes to you, all these decisions are so hard!!
  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Omaz, what is Als?      I am taking aromasin. 

    thank you

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited September 2011
    Pil Sorry!!  AI = Aromatase Inhibitors - aromasin, arimidex, letrozole.  The other anti-estrogen in the main stream is tamoxifen, which I am currently taking but I will be switching to an AI in a few months.  The Aromatase enzyme takes 'pre-estrogens' and converts them to estrogen. The aromatase inhibitor binds to the enzyme and keeps it from doing this conversion.   If your tumor cells had estrogen receptors and if any are out there left over for some reason those cells could use the estrogen as food to grow.  The AIs decrease estrogen and so can starve any cancer cells that might be leftover.  That's a good thing!
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    pil, it sounds like you've made a good decision. Did you have your appt yet and tell them? What did they say? I can't remember your timeline for an appt...

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2011

    Pil, here's some great information on the ins and outs of Radiation Therapy on the main Breastcancer.org site to help educate you. Also, there's some good information here on Paying For Your Care.

    Hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2011

    Deleted our post as I saw Pil's decision and we are respecting that!

    If anyone else is interested, here's some great information on the ins and outs of Radiation Therapy on the main Breastcancer.org site to help educate you. Also, there's some good information here on Paying For Your Care.

    --The Mods

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Thank you.  The risk of me getting secondary cancer are high called angiosarcoma. I have been doing some research and it is common.  The experts want to say its rare but it is NOT.  Please do recent research before you try and defend the rare part.  Also, it is my left breast over my heart and lung.  My chances are very good for no reoccurance and much better than NOT getting secondary cancer for which is more aggressive. Since I have encapulated papillary carcinoma not invasive its very slow growing.  Thank you all for respect. 

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Barb my appointment for the lung scan was on Tuesday. They compare the spots.  That is going to be a non issue I hope.  A new oncologist is set for sept.13th.  The other oncologist that said I did not need radiation is set for a cbc sept 14.  Then I have a follow up to the surgeon on Sept. 20.  This is when I will tell him no.    I will go through to hear the new oncologists explanation on 13th.  

    I will be fighting to keep this cancer away until my dying day no doubt.  As everyone else that has been plagued with this experience.    The thing is I do not want to trade in my slow growing cancer for a more aggressive one including risk to my heart and lungs.  I am very sensitive and I feel it it would be very bad for me.    Thank you

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Hi moderator.  I do not see anything for angiosarcoma in the side effects from radiation.  Just wondering should this not be in the side effects as well?    This is what I am very concerned with more than anything else.

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/radiation/side_effects.jsp

     Any further information to educate myself is appreciated.

    Thank you

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    pil, the Moderators can't possibly have every bit of info on this site, but they are open to suggestions. I Googled angiosarcoma and it DID seem to be a very rare occurance (articles dated back as far as 1995 - that's OLD for technology!). I've been on the boards for almost 3 years and never heard of anyone getting it. When I joined this site, there were only 45,000 members. Last time I checked months ago, there were over 95,000!!! It's a good, wide range of experiences for us to draw off of.

    It's funny you bring up that type of cancer because my DH and I have a warped sense of humour. His brain tumours we call Ted. My breast lump we called Angie (as in angiosarcoma) before it got diagnosed as bc.

    Let me give you a cyber hug for finding something that no one has ever mentioned on here!!

    {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ pil }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

    I still support your choice for no rads based on location of the tumour. Mine was at 6 o'clock on my left breast too (against the chest wall) and I wouldn't do rads either.

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011


    This morning was my meeting with the Radiation Oncologist, 1 1/4 hrs we talked. I asked lots
    of questions and he answered me. I told him about my mitral valve and the worry I had about radiation so close to my heart as well as my lung. I asked about radiation angiosarcoma as well.

    He told me I will not try and hard sell you because as I get older I realize patients need to be able to understand they have a right to choose. All in all he would not say I need it and he would not advised against it either. What he did tell me that some patients he had treated and years later they show back up with other problems.. and he told me he had wondered if he had not been so aggressive would these patients not have these secondary problems. This is the thing that made me know I was making the right choice. I have a bigger chance of having secondary heart, lung and getting angiosarcoma than I have of my slow growing cancer coming back. He also said lots of doctors would tell me not to come back should I tell him my decision was to not get the treatment. He said he was not like this. We (he) and I talked about what if it came back I could get surgery again. And if it were to develop in the other breast or the same one I could just have a mastectomy and get reconstructive surgery if I wanted it. I asked him if I decided not to get the radiation treatments now, but came back in a few years and needed radiation would he treat me.  He said yes he would. He told me to make sure the surgeon kept an close eye on me and I said yes that would be my plan.  I know he did not want to deny me because of the business. But he said I won't tell you if you don't get it you're going to die because that is not the case with you.  Your cancer was encapsulated and that is very good. 

    Barb, thank you for being so interactive and helping me out here. Really you have been a big help and me not feeling like I'm a mutant if I decided against radiation treatments. 


    I am going to tighten up even closer on the foods I put into my body as well as keep my exercise program up.  I am going to work iodine into my plan like any other vitamin or mineral I take now and find a good maintenance program.


    Thank you

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited September 2011

    Wow, it sounds like you've got a great RO! See if you can clone him for some of the rest of us.

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited September 2011

    I agree with cycle-path.  How I wish my RO had been like yours, pil.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    EXCELLENT visit pil!!! You must feel very relieved to be validated! Congrats on a job well done!!!

  • pil
    pil Member Posts: 315
    edited September 2011

    Barb, thank you thank you.  And thank other Ladies for reading. 

    I believe the most important thing to do for yourself is to study and read about what kind of cancer you have or had.  Google, find history on different treatments and go read diagnoses and their treatments from as many as you can find..  It was hard to find much information on papillary because it is more rare and not much was found at all.  It's one of the slowest growing cancers from what I have discovered, so far.   I also learned there is a type of radiation you can get when your having the lumpectomy on the operating table. It shoots a beam right on the area where the cancer was growing.  I probably would have gotten this if it had been available at the time of surgery.  It is offered in some states and hospitals.  This kind of radiation treatment decreases future damage from the radiation compared to the typical external radiation.    Also, I would have been more likely to get radiation treatment as well if my radiation oncologist had a bed where I can lay face down and let my breast point towards the floor with a arm beam of radiation shooting the breast only.  This way it would have been probably at least 3 inches from my chest wall.  Being on my left side this really concerns me, a lot. These are very important factors in radiation treatment as far as I am concerned. I think ALL cancer facilities should off a table where women can lay down and let the breast dangle should this be a better approach.

    Maybe there should be a special section for rare or uncommon cases and treatments. 

    Now, today I go in to my medication oncologist and get a cbc.  Hoping that comes out well.

    thank you all

    Have a great day.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    Papillary Carcinoma was so rare when I got it that there was only ONE story on it on  Google!!!! They still aren't quite sure what to do with us, but I'm seeing more of 'us' being diagnosed every day. There was only ONE other PC lady on this forum when I joined in 2009!!

    I agree about the breast 'hang' but my tumour was so close to the chest wall it was missed by mammo too!

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited September 2011
    pil - Your RO should teach other docs his bedside manner - what a gem.  Best wishes to you!!!
  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited September 2011

    I also learned there is a type of radiation you can get when your having the lumpectomy on the operating table. It shoots a beam right on the area where the cancer was growing. I probably would have gotten this if it had been available at the time of surgery. It is offered in some states and hospitals. This kind of radiation treatment decreases future damage from the radiation compared to the typical external radiation.

    Yep, I had that! Meeee! It's the greatest thing since sliced bread and I think it's a crime it's not available/offered to more women. 

  • Rowan47
    Rowan47 Member Posts: 151
    edited September 2011

    Hi pil, I too was dx with papillary carcinoma. After lumpectomy it was found to be grade 3 and invasive..my bs said it was quite unusual, given my age (47) and the tumour's aggression. Had second lumpectomy (to get clear margins), then 4 rounds of AC. I then decided on BMX (double mastectomy) so as to avoid further chemo and rads. I also did not want to risk any damage to heart/lungs/whatever from the rads. I am 4 weeks out from BMX and am feeling great!! It was sooo much easier than I thought, very little pain, very neat scar and great ROM. Am not interested in reconstruction, so continue on my happy way with new "flat" look!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2011

    Rowan, you wrote my history!! A mastectomy is surprisingly painless. Just a deep tissue wound. No organs, bones or muscles involved (unless a recon) so it's such an EASY heal time! Congrats, from one flattie to another.

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