I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited July 2011

    I was, Athena.  I'm still stewing over the verdict today.  I need to let it go before it drives me nuts.

    Jancie, I don't know how many times I came off my horse while traversing our old cross-country course.  I'd usually look up to see my horse's concerned and giant nose blocking out the sun.  Those were the days!

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  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited July 2011

    Athena, I'm not sure it would have made a difference if they'd gone for murder two.  After all, they found her not guilty of manslaughter.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    True.

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2011

    From all I've read, the jury just didn't have the concrete evidence on which to convict.  I think most of us feel she was guilty of the most horrendous crime of killing her own child.  On the other hand, think of the number of times a jury HAS convicted someone based on circumstantial evidence (as in this case) and later investigation or DNA testing has proven that the convicted was indeed innocent?  In Ontario, a (formerly) well-respected forensic pathologist was responsible for convincing several juries that the accused were guilty of killing their children (or in a couple of cases, the babysitters were convicted).  It has since been proven that these were wrongful convictions -- based for the most part on circumstantial evidence and the conflated ego of the pathologist.  Not the same thing, but merely an example of how a jury can be swayed.

    It is heartbreaking to think of what that little girl suffered, but I would say the jury did the criminal justice system a service yesterday.  JMHO, of course..... 

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    I haven't followed the trial, but is sounds as if the prosecution left room for reasonable doubt.  What a shame that there is no punishment for the death of that little girl.  It's so sad.

    Bren

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2011

    Hi Cindy -- Turning 54 is okay and doesn't hurt.  I did it once!  Happy Birthday tomorrow!

    Yes, I've also read that juries are depending more and more on real evidence.  But I don't think that's a bad thing.  I think what too often happens is that the investigating cops focus in on the most likely suspect, and then try to build up a case of "circumstantial" evidence to fit their suspicions.  We've seen this here with a good number of wrongful convictions and it's pretty scary to think that if I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of my own and in all innocence, it could happen to me.

    P.S.  Nothing wrong with your formatting, Cindy!! 

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    The problem with a murder one charge is that you have to show a plan and they don't even know the manner of death with this child. Evidence of intent would help, and from what little I read, the prosecution did not have evidence of previous abuse. The best circumstantial evidence, IMO, was in favor of a conspiracy after the fact charge. There should have been a charge on that added to the four charges of lying to the police.

    So what does everyone think about DSK? I say that both he and the Guinean woman met their match in each other. Bad apples, both of them.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Cindy .. hope you had a nice vacation!  Happy Early Birthday.  54 isn't so bad, but yes I do notice my birthdays more now than I did before cancer.  I'm a year older than you and dread my birthday this year.  I just seem to look older these days.  I miss my 40's!

    Athena .. the DSK situation is very strange.  I agree .. bad apples!

    My cousin has her whipple surgery tomorrow for pancreatic cancer.  I'm so anxious for her and scared about the outcome.  It's an 8-hour surgery and very difficult to perform.  She's just like a sister to me and we grew up together.  Please keep her in your thoughts.

    hugs,

    Bren

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Cindy .. I could always pass for younger than I actually am, but now with middle-age, the wear and tear of the years is starting to show.  I don't like looking older .. arghh!  Fifty may be fabulous now ... but anything more than that is just getting older!

    Bren

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    Jim's back and so am I!

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  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited July 2011

    BLUE!!!!  Welcome back! 

    (Doing my happy dance!)

    The world is right on its axis once again!

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Blue .. so glad you are back.  Summertyme is lovely, but Jim is downright sexy!

    hugs,

    Bren

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    Welcome back. About bloody time! 

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  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited July 2011

    Welcome back Blue!

    I am trying to take it easy but I have a new boss who started on Tuesday. I coughed all over the office Tuesday morning so I know he knows I'm sick. The receptionist told me to STAY AWAY. I am a little worried about not being there but I have worked with him before and I know everthing will be fine. The worry is the prednisone talking. This time I am on a lot less than the last time I took it. Just enough so that the asthma doesn't try to join the party the virus is throwing in my lungs.

    My husband is home sick too. 

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    Rosemary please take care of yourself. 

    Thank you ladies.  Athena I agree with you.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Rosemary .. I am so sorry you are suffering with this illness.  I sure hope you feel better soon.

    hugs,

    Bren

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited July 2011

    Rosemary, please take it easy and concentrate on getting better.

    Blue welcome back.

    RE: Anthony, the prosecution did not prove 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' Too bad but they just didn't do it. RIP, Caylee.

    RE: DSK, I am more interested in the French lawsuit just filed. Should be very much more interesting.

    Bren, prayers going up.

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  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited July 2011

    Welcome back Blue and Jim.

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    Glad to be back Cherryl. 

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    Ray's little Canary died today and I feel so bad.  I comforted him while he took his last breath.  He's just a stupid bird but I feel awful.....

    And my dumb dogs keep trying to lick the tiger balm I rubbed on my frozen shoulder.  They are terrible eaters but put anything on my body and they won't leave me alone.  Kooks!

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Oh, Blue ( and Jim) welcome back.  I SO understand how those little feathered creatures can capture our hearts.  I had a parakeet who lived for 12 years - almost thought he was going to outlast me.  So sad when he died, expecially how QUIET it seemed around here....

    ed. spelling, per usual, still prob. mstkes ;(

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  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited July 2011

    Blue

    I am really sorry about Ray's bird. Pets are family members too and we always miss them when they are gone.

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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited July 2011

    I usually don't post on this thread, but find you gals pretty interesting!  I just have an opinion on the Casey Anthony trial.....  I am sick about the verdict....It's like the jurors might have gone with the evidence, but the case seemed like it SHOULD have been an "accidental" death maybe happened, which could have been proven if the child drowned, but WHY would anyone want to cover this up?  Unless they were guilty of lying and a cover-up?   WHO but the Mother or Father would have put duct tape over her mouth?  Cayley sure didn't!   And WHY hide her body if it was not all of your fault? 

    Maybe I don't have the whole story, but this trial, ranks right up there with the O.J. case AND the Robert Blake trial.....

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited July 2011

    Blue so sorry about Ray's bird.

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited July 2011

    Re: Anthony, a friend had this in his Facebook status:

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    I think it was an accidental death.  Maybe too much chloroform.  The little girl just didn't wake up.  The prosecuters should have tried to prove that instead of everything else.

    I didn't watch the trial but this is what I got from watching a bit yesterday.

    Thanks Barb.

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited July 2011

    I did not understand about the duct tape. How/where did that come from? Jancie watched the whole thing. Maybe she can explain it to me.

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    I think that was to hold the remains in place.  I think she was moved after she had decomposed.

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2011

    I also think she tried to make it look like a murder because she waited too long to report the child missing.

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  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2011

    bluedahlia, I agree with you. I think it was an accident. The idea of giving her too much chloroform sounds like a good bet to me. If the prosecution had put forth that idea they might have gotten a conviction.

    By the way glad to see you're back.

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