I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

Enjoyful

Casey was the only one to have access to all of the items surrounding Caylee's death.  Searches for chloroform.  Chloroform in the trunk of her car.  Evidence of decomposition in the car.  Caylee's hair in the car.  Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk of the car and on several spots in the backyard.  Casey returned home when neither parent was home and asked a neighbor for a shovel.  Caylee was found in a bag that was used in Casey's home. Casey lied and lied and lied about where her daughter was.

To dismiss all of that and say, oh, it must have been some kind of accident without ANY evidence of such accident flies in the face of logic.  Is there doubt?  Of course.  Is it REASONABLE?  NO.

BarbaraA

E chill,the prosecutors failed Caylee. So effing sad.

Enjoyful

I can't chill.  I'm furious. 

bluedahlia

Wish you were part of that jury E.  You would have set them straight.  All the evidence doesn't point to  it not initially being an accident, and cover-up, though. I would have found her guilty too regardless.Point is she was responsible for the death of that little girl.

Enjoyful

Yep. 

bluedahlia

Hi there toby.  No one else on this thread seems to be offended, other than Patzee.  We shouldn't be censoring others'  freedom of speech, even though it's in picture form.

Anonymous

Something to remember is that the jury was sequestered, so they only heard the testimony that was presented while they were in the courtroom.  The judge protected them from much of the lawyers' theatrics on both sides, and they were not exposed to the opinions offered by all the pundits like Nancy Grace every evening. 

The prosecutors never proved how Caylee died, so how could the jury possibly find her mother guilty of murdering her?  That's how the criminal justice system works in this country, the burden of proof is on the prosecution.  It's not perfect, but better that someone guilty go free than the state kills someone who was wrongly convicted.

rosemary-b

OT I don't know what made me think ofthis

Daisies are gowing in my lawn. They are pretty but it is time to mow the grass. My son wanted to learn to use the riding mower on The Fourth but was too busy.Time to get rid of the daisies.

Enjoyful

There were daisies everywhere in Ireland!  Growing from rocks, even from the middle of cowpats.  Bizarre, but pretty little things.

rosemary-b

Bizarre is right E

riley702

I vote for freedom of speech, too. And I don't blame you for being steamed, E. I'm pretty steamed about it, too. But I can understand that Barbara is in Florida and is probably beyond sick of the whole thing. Barbara, what is it like to have a sh*tstorm of publicity descend on the general area where you live (central FL) and then not let up for years on end?

RetiredLibby

Rosemary, some people with acreage in the country use goats to "mow" their lawns. Do goats like daisies? Or would you have to use weedkiller to eliminate the daisies? Kind of reminds me of the book and movie "Please Don't Eat the Daisies"...



I am disgusted with the Anthony veredict as well...but I have to believe that the jury (who by all accounts took it very seriously) felt that there was a reasonable doubt. To convict, they had to find that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that all elements of the crimes charged were present. Apparently, the prosecution did not do that to the satisfaction of the jury. I think she is guilty, too.

Enjoyful

How could you look at the evidence and have ANY reasonable doubts?  GAH!  

I thought goats destroyed everything in their path.  What about sheep?

bluedahlia

I'd love to have a goat.  They are so cute, even though they are stinky.

bluedahlia

E, too many sheep around. I'll stick with a goat.

rosemary-b

A goat would be good. It could eat my poison ivy.

I haven't commented on the verdict. I did not watch any of the trial. It was too upsetting.

Edited to add: I don't like to use weedkiller. It would run off into the lake. Although I would do just about anything to get rid of daisies and other noxious weeds.

RetiredLibby

Well, as DH points out (he is sometimes entirely TOO damn reasonable!), we didn't see all the evidence or read all the reports. I can't say in an open forum what I hope Casey endures in the rest of her life, but it isn't nice.



Sheep? Also destructive creatures, much more stupid than goats. It is actually possible to scare a sheep to death, and they will follow each other into bad spots ...off cliffs, into culverts, etc. DH has never cared for sheep...he used to want to be a dairy farmer ...he is from America's dairyland.

bluedahlia

I didn't either Rosemary.  I kinda took cliff notes last night.

suzieq60

Given all that evidence surely she should have been convicted of something more serious - I'm a big legal/crime reader

crazy4carrots

HappyLibby -- America's dairyland -- is that the state so famous for cheese?  Wisconsin?  I've been there -- attended a summer course at U of W in Madison.  My cousin's son and his wife have just been awarded their PhDs from U of W.  They're both high school teachers but pretty upset about (oops, not supposed to talk about politics, sorry!).  Anyhow, Madison is such a lovely city in a beautiful location, 'twixt 2 lakes.  Maybe DH will convince you to retire there.

BTW, keep the picture Barbara.  I've seen much worse on other threads! 

Enjoyful

I spent two weeks at U of W in Madison about 7 years ago. Lovely city! 

bluedahlia

Speaking of crime books, has anyone read any of the Anne Perry books?

jancie

Enjoyful

Just as Casey's behavior was a disgusting insult to that little girl.  We need to see and remember, so that we honor the tragedy that befell Caylee.

I don't read crime books, Blue.  I can barely handle real-life crimes, much less made-up ones!

covertanjou

 Jancie!

I used to be able to read crime novels, but I can't anymore.  I have nightmares.  I used to love reading Patricia Cornwell, but I have stopped buying her books.  They are just too graphic. 

bluedahlia

These are English historical fiction with a bit of humour mixed in.  Light reading.  I don't read anymore but love the books on tape.  Ray downloads them for me.

1Athena1

I have to say that I did not follow the trial enough to know how I would have ruled as jury member. It does appear that the prosecution did not convince, though. That's the tragedy. You have to put up a good case. 

Enjoyful

They convinced me, Athena.  I thought it was quite clear.

Anne Perry....I'll have to look them up.  THanks, Blue!  And welcome back!  ((BLUE))

jancie

Blue - I love crime and mystery novels.  My favorite author is James Patterson and also I like John Sandford.  I have almost every James Patterson novel in my home library.

AnneW

Can I just say I prefer the sarcasm of Barb's picture to the sticky-sweetness of patzee's? I'm not asking either to delete. Isn't there a whole thread for the sacchrine stuff? I'm just sayin'.

Patmom, what you said is right on target. And the jury couldn't have "voted" for a lesser charge, because the prosecuters were going for Murder One with the death penalty from the get-go. They had three years to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, and they couldn't do it. Dammit.

After living through the jon Benet case here in Boulder, I used to tell everyone I was from "the Denver area" because as soon as I said I was from Boulder, all anyone could say was, "Who killed Jon Benet????" We still don't know the answer to that one...