I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

1Athena1

I agree.

bluedahlia

Barbara, I disagree.  This thread is a free-for-all.  Leave it if you wish.

Chevyboy

Yes, I agree also..... But the jurors got all tangled up on "evidence" trying to prove a murder case, and not thinking about "accidental" and then the cover-up by the Mother &/or Father covering it all up!    It just makes me sick..... At least little Cayley is safe from her Parents now.... another little angel. 

The JonBonet Ramsey case years ago, was another heart-breaker.....  Poor little children, at the mercy of their so called "parents"  and they are the ones who hurt them.

And yes Blue...she DID try to make it look like a murder... all the lies!

BarbaraA

I think there are many more postings on BCO that are in poorer taste than that.

I also think it was an accident but her parents' reactions during the search for Caylee and also after the trial were puzzling to me. Since they are here in FL, this was in the news every night and in the paper every day. They had candle light vigils every night for months. They had car washes and bake sales to help pay for search dogs, etc. Very puzzling.

rosemary-b

Poor taste is in the eye of the beholder.

kira1234

BargaraA, You are right how the parents reacted was odd. I'm still not sure they knew where Caylee was. If nothing else the phone call by Grandma indicates she had no idea.

bluedahlia

She may have told her parents too late and that's when they became involved in the cover-up.  I don't believe for one minute she did this alone.  Maybe she had successfully used the chloroform before and was afraid to have to explain it to her parents or anyone else.  That's when the lies began, because she didn't know who to turn to.  By that time it was too late to go with accidental.  It was not premeditated murder IMO.  Can you imagine using chloroform on your child so you can go out and party?

Anonymous

As Athena, and anyone else familiar with Washington DC will say, it's not the deed that gets you in such trouble, it's the coverup.  Horrible accident?  who knows - but not enough proof for the charges they were trying to get her on...can't hang a person on circumstantial evidence..no matter how horrid the crime is.

Chevyboy

I think....that the parents, or Mother had to have known where she was....!  Because with the evidence presented, they/she placed her where they found her.... to tried to cover up an accidental? death....and make it look like someone else did it.   Defense lawyers know how to sway jurors...that is their job.... But prosecutors should know to keep evidence on track, & know the right charges that they can prove!  It's either fame or money that drive these lawyers....  and at whose expense?

Okay I'm done....don't know what else to say..... 

1Athena1

The poor woman is marked for life, no matter what. She is the modern day Lizzy Borden.

kira1234

1Athena1, Boy is that true. That woman will never be able to go anywhere without being looked at. In some ways that's as bad as going to jail.

bluedahlia

I try not to think about it too much.  My grandson is 2-1/2,  just about the same age.  It makes me very sad.

Chevyboy

Athena and Kira....so true!   I know Blue!  In my heart I like to remember my grandsons at that age, even though they are 23 & 25....  Children are soooo precious.   Kira, she SHOULD be looked at with scorn, all the rest of her life....

3monstmama

hi all!  it was a great weekend cmplete with grilling of burgers and sausages and aspargus, potato salad, and more--at least it was great up until I woke up on Tuesday with a wretched retching disease. . . think it actually may have been a real disease as opposed to food poisoning as we were all together all weekend and no one got sick but me.

Anyrate, on the jury verdict---the system worked.  The prosecutor is supposed to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt and if they don't the accused goes free.  I may not like the results in this case but I am glad for the system we have.  Do agree that jurors have completely warped expectations with evidence thanks to too many cops and robbers shows.

DC--IMHO, ought to be able to vote.  If VA was thinking, they would kick out Northern VA to join DC as a state. . . .NoVa votes completely differently from the rest of the state and always has. . . .not serious, just saying.  Interesting tidbit---spoke with someone from Puerto Rico (where they also can't vote) about the statehood thing and was told feelings are very mixed.  Everyone there realizes that if PR was to get statehood, they would lose alot of their idenity.  Under the current system, the language and culture is Spanish. Hmmmmm.

Our esteemed former head of IMF-hmmmm.   The part about the telephone call to her partner/boyfriend husband was what got me---from all those same cops and robbers shows doesn't everyone in America know that calls to people in jail are TAPED??????  I find myself thinking more abut the outrage that was expressed in France over the pictures of him in connection with booking and in handcuffs.  For those who may not recall, in France such photos are illegal because they imply the person is guilty when in fact, they are merely accused.  I am thinking the French have a very good point.  Why do we let such pictures be released?

Dinner last night---a tiny bit of pasta with tomato and peas. . .pretty much the only thing I ate all day.  Dinner tonight--not a clue but I am hitting the farmer's market on the way home!

jancie

Ok, some key things to consider about Casey Anthony.  First off she lied to the grandparents for 2 years about where she was working.  She did not report her child missing for 31 days.  It was only after the grandmother reported smelling a decomposed body in the trunk and Casey was arrested then Zanny the Nanny supposedly kidnapped Caylee.  When that story broke down then it was an accidental drowning that the grandfather covered up.  Does this make sense?  Dr. G testifed that 100% of drownings are reported to 911 and CPR is performed by the person that finds the body.  Why would the grandfather (George) cover up the "accidental drowning" and instead place his daughter in danger of being charged with murder?

The duct tape covered the girls mouth and nose.  She couldn't breathe.  There is no reason to put duct tape on the girls mouth and nose after she is dead - it serves no purpose.  A body will seep out decomposition from the pores of the skin, etc. so putting it there to keep the fluids in the body does not make sense.

Casey was counting down and used the term Timer55 - which the prosecution presented as 55 days from death until Caylee's birthday.  Casey lied to grandmother on a daily basis about where she was and with who for 31 days but knew that come Caylee's birthday she would have to come up with some story.

Yes, Cindy (grandmother) more than likely lied on the stand about looking up "how to make chloroform" in order to prevent Casey from getting the death penalty under pre-meditated murder.

Yes, the case was circumstantial but people have been convicted on less forensics.  The problem is that they could not tie Casey to the makeshift burial place where she tossed Caylee's body.  There was no DNA at the burial site.  Caylee was so decomposed they couldn't come up with how she was killed but it was ruled homicide due to the circumstances and the duct tape.

Casey threw both her parents under the bus.  She accused her father and her brother of molesting her and that is why she didn't have the reasoning to report it because mentally she was F&cked up.  Yet, the defense did not ask the brother if he molested Casey.  They asked George (father) but not the brother.

The mother and father were told to not come to the jail to visit Casey.  She sat there for almost 3 years without visiters.  I am sure that was at the request of Baez so that he could try to prove that she was molested, etc. and that Casey wouldn't accidently tell her parents what really happened.  Yet, in a jail house taped call Casey is telling her father that he was always there for her, etc.  So that defense theory IMHO is shot to hell.

suzieq60

I just read up on that trial - OMG - how the F did she get off!!!

We have a case here in Oz where a little girl was reported missing apparently snatched. Ages later, when it got close to what would have been her 7th birthday, they staked out the supposedly worried mother and her boyfriend and followed them to her grave site in the bush and nabbed them.

You've also got that case over there of the little Australian girl with the artificial leg who appears to have been murdered by her step mother.

Why do such terrible things happen to children!!! It's so sad.

Welcome back Blue!!!

Sue

bluedahlia

That's the show they put on for us, but is that what really happened?  We will never know, not judge, but speculate.

jancie

Hit the news that Casey has to give a deposition on July 16th.  She has been sued in civil court by Zanny the Nanny.  If you want more details about the nanny, let me know. 

jancie

Welcome back Blue!!  Missed you!

What the prosecution said made sense and as Judge Judy would say "If it doesn't make sense then it is a lie"

bluedahlia

Hi susieq.  Yes I was following that story.  I believe her name was Zahra.

bluedahlia

Love Judge Judy.  hehehehehehde She's a hoot!

jancie

Casey Anthony is being ordered to give a July 16th deposition in a defamation lawsuit against her.
Anthony is being sued by Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez.
She's a Kissimmee, Florida woman with the same name as a nanny that investigators in the Casey Anthony child murder case determined never existed.
Anthony had told police her young daughter Caylee was kidnapped by a nanny in 2008 when the child was missing.
Investigators questioned Gonzalez but quickly concluded she had nothing to do with the Anthony case.
Gonzalez claims she couldn't find work and was being harassed because of Anthony's story about the woman she called "Zanny the nanny."

jancie

Blue - I tape Judge Judy every single day.  I can see why you like her - she is direct and to the point and doesn't take crap from anybody!  My kind of woman!

suzieq60

I love Judge Judy too - she tells it like it is!!!

leggo

an accident....really? I just say too bad she didn't go to a real prison, at least for a little while....I'm all for prison justice. If it doesn't work in the real world, it sure works there.

riley702

The thing about if Casey 'accidentally' killed Caylee with too much chloroform, is that chloroforming her is felony child abuse, and if you accidentally kill someone in the commission of a felony, it's still considered murder, as the death happened as a result of the felony being committed. But the jury rejected that, too.

I understand why the verdict was what it was, but still think Casey did it without anyone else's help. Her mother lied for her after the fact. They proved that Cindy Anthony perjured herself when she said she made those internet searches, because she just happened to be logged onto her computer at work at the time the searches were being done at home.

I suspect Casey will get pregnant again as fast as she can to try and 'prove' she's a good mother. And will probably make some claim about the the new baby being for Caylee, or some such nonsense. Blech.

JoanDavies

Casey was jailed in the Orange County jail where my ex-husband works. I used to work in Orlando (Orange County), and am so glad I don't live out there anymore (I"m about an hour away now). My son was slightly older than Caylee when she was first suspected of being killed, and I couldn't even bear to watch the news reports about it because it made me sick to think of anyone doing anything harmful to a child. I think it's terrible that she got away with murder, but the case does prove that our justice system works the way it's intended to, even when we don't like the outcome. I bet the jurors wanted to put her away, but were bound by their duties to examine only the evidence in the case. I'm sure they aren't stupid, but I will contend that they did the job they were asked to do honorably. A terrible, terrible travesty... and unfortunately only one of many that we don't even know about.

bluedahlia

Very true.  Riley. hope someone ties her tubes.  She is definitely not mother material. 

I guess that's why they tried to cover it up because chloroforming is a felony, accidental or not. Wouldn't granddad have known that?  He was a police officer I still believe the grandparents knew.  The grandfather tried to commit suicide.  Not willing to live with his thoughts?  A totally dysfunctional family.  But it's all speculation and you can't condemn someone on speculation.

riley702

I speculate all the time!  Going along with the theory we're developing, they couldn't have simply put the body in the pool and claimed drowning, because an autopsy wouldn't find water in her lungs. I'm not sure what the law is, there. Casey's father is ex-law enforcement, so he would know whether Florida law requires an autopsy for all accidental deaths, and the need to hide the body until a drowning couldn't be determined.

It's beyond sad that this family who buried their pets couldn't be bothered to do the same for their own flesh and blood.

bluedahlia

My problem too.  I speculate all the time and it does get me into trouble.