Chemo May 2011
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I think I asked this before, does anybody's fingers and fingernails hurt from ac? I just had my 4th treatment and have 2 ac left plus 12 taxol or abraxane plus carbo. It's weird to say, but my fingers hurt and I don't know if they can take more chemo, expecially taxol which is suppose to be worse on fingernails. Am I a wimp? I don;t think I am but when my worst se is finger pain and fatique I feel like a wimp. Icing does help, I am going to onc tomorrow so I will see if he has any suggestions.
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Sue - yes 3 Taxols left! (Thursdays) Back pain is the WORST today as it has ever been - cumulating I'm afraid.
bkj - My fingernails were horrible with A/C - thin and painful. Now with 9 taxols, they don't hurt but are lifting off the beds a little. (More on the sides so they look wider - and toe nails are definitely lifting off - no pedicures for a while). YOU ARE NOT A WIMP! All SEs suck! I never asked for relief - I had bigger problems with WBC and nausea with A/C. Good luck!
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Thanks mamav. Of course I will finish my treatments, but glad to hear that maybe taxol won't be so bad. My wbc has tanked each time also, had to have neulasta shot plus 3 neupogen shots each time. Funny thing is, other than the fatigue, I don't feel the wbc being low as I haven;t had a fever yet, knock on wood. I have a feeling my counts are way down this time, I will find out tomorrow, so it will probably be 3 more trips downtown this week for shots!
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DebRox and Cyborg,
It's hot and humid here in OH now, but it's still a good thing to be in a different environment even just for 6 days.
I had a kick of depression for 2 days now. I'm trying my best to pull myself out of it. All of a sudden, my mind is racing and I often find myself thinking how my life sucks! It's a snowball effect of negative thinking that just comes and goes. I have been fighting it with self-affirmations and breathing exercises. i really hope it dissolves. I hate feeling depressed.
I will be back in the Bay Area on Saturday, will have blood work done on Sunday, and will go for #4 A/C on Monday. My fingernails are all getting black now. Most of my cuticles are black and the skin of my hands are leathery to touch. I really don't mind as long as I don't lose the nails!
I have gained 15 pounds already since start of chemo. I have been eating too much! I eat when I feel nauseous and I eat more when I feel depressed! I cannot drink water alone as it makes me more nauseous (weird), so I chug fruit juices. I must have jumped 2 dress sizes by now.
I thought I'd give you guys updates. Take care everyone!
Laureen
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Bkj, my nails started aching after the second AC - my MO said he didn't believe the would fall off. The fingernails have black stripes, the toenails don't but they really hurt. You are not a wimp! I call myself a 9 out of 10 SE patient...
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MamaV,
I would like to get your input on all SEs from Taxol if you don't mind. I will be finishing my A/C next Monday and will head to Taxol 2 weeks from then. I thought I'd ask you so I can prepare myself with what to expect.
I am scheduled to have Taxol x 4 every 2 weeks.
Thank you so much!
Laureen
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bkj66,
I am scheduled for my #4 A/C next Monday, and so far all I have is the blackening of my nails and cuticles. I'm sorry to hear about your nail pain. I also have the fatigue and low stamina. i try to walk on trails but I usually don't last that long. i easily get tired since chemo started.
Laureen
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Laureen: I know that you didn't ask me specifically, but I did three rounds of Taxol so I'll chime in. My main SE was diarrhea (but that could have also been in part because of the study drug I was on). My blood counts were fine so I didn't need any shots or anything to keep them up.
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Thanks for the responses regarding lump/mx. I think that we'll know in a couple of weeks if a lumpectomy will even be possible and then I can go from there. My cancer just seems to be so aggressive (it is visibly growing, even while I was on taxol), so that makes me scared.
I know that I need to stop stressing about it until I can talk to my MO on Monday. It's just so overwhelming!
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blondelawyer,
thank you so much for the input, really appreciate it! so you mean, no more neupogen shots on Taxol?
I read your other msgs, and I'm really feeling for you. I'm sorry to hear about the aggressive cancer. I'm also sorry about your dog. I hope you get to prepare yourself for the upcoming surgery, despite the changes in plans and schedules.
Laureen
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bkj66,
You never should have to apologize for your feelings and I am glad you said what you did because, I have wondered if I did the right thing with my mom getting diganosed 7 months with BC before I was diagnosed and her mother having ovary cancer and my other grandmother having colon cancer but I did the lumpectomy because that is what I felt to do but I do often wonder if I should have had both removed becaue I have very dense breast, only time will tell but I have decided to beat this cancer bitch the first time.
Good luck to you and will be thinking about you.
Pam
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Laureen: I didn't have any neupogen shots on Taxol and my numbers stayed in the normal range--I was only on it for 3 treatments though.
Thanks for the thoughts--I am sure that I will get through this. It is just all so overwhelming! My dog seems to be doing alright--the vet is surprised that she is doing so well considering everything.
I think that part of what makes me so anxious about all of this is not having my husband to help me make the decisions.
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I have the same dilemma to mull over; DIEP or Lumpectomy. My BS thinks I should have Lumpectomy. I think the coastal and teaching hospitals try to steer toward it and they claim there is only a 2% difference in recurrence rate. I am not sure I believe them. Especially since my opinion is that this disease is mostly hereditary. So, mirroring of cancer in the other breast seems so logical to me for all BC and not just ILC. I am scared to death of the very MAJOR DIEP surgery, especially tummy incision. I am told recovery is weeks long. Has anyone had a DIEP? A woman I know had hers in Jan and looks, awesome, though. Very natural, warm, her own tissue. I really like the idea but there is substantial risk of tissue necrosis. What then? What if you go through the whole d@mn process and still have disease progression?
Robyn_S is so right; you have to go with your gut. And think about how much risk you are able to accept. I am seeing a PS tmw and will report back what is discussed, if anyone is interested.
Blonde_lawyer, you should be able to continue with chemo, if you really want a lumpectomy. There are other drug combinations to try. But, I truly believe the AC will do its' job. Crossing fingers.
Up late b/c of the darn steroids. I need my sleep. Night, ladies. -
Just want to add to the discussion re: BMX or MX that my lump was small 1.4 cm and my opting for BMX was because of the radiation damage from cancer 17 years ago (all my lymph nodes were radiated from my belly up) and high risk of recurrence.
Yuck, feeling sick from 2nd FEC and very tired. Gaining weight because I keep trying to fill my belly up with carbs to ease the nausea.
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There is no right or wrong choice as far as lumpectomy or mastectomy. It's what you feel you need to do for yourself. At 32 yo I had IDC 1.8 cm that was triple negative with lumpectomy, reexcision with snb, FEC times 6, and 33 rads. All clinically the right things to do for that dx.
I did NOT have a recurrence, but a brand spanking new cancer that was ER+, after 7 years of knowing NED. So, I went with the mastectomy, waiting on reconstruction til after finishing chemo. Do I wish I'd had a mastectomy to start? No. There was a very good chance I would not have cancer again. I was tested a few months ago and do not have the brca1 or 2, and there is NO family history for me. I was the first on my family.
I'll never understand why I got another dance with the beast. I only know that by taking it for team twice, sixteen people I know statistically shouldn't get it in their lifetime...
All any of us can do is process the info we have at the time, listen to what options the dr offers and go with the one that is right for you. None of it is an easy decision and others that haven't been there- they just can't understand how much it takes to do all this tx.
Thanks to you May gals for your advice and sharing your experiences. It helped with my new start of chemo at the beginning of June.
Wishing you all the best. -m -
Well, i'm told steroids cause you to eat more, too. Trying exercise to counter any weight gain but I have gained 5 lbs in 8 weeks. But, I am now at the halfway mark. I am sure I will probably lose a few on AC. Plus, I already noticed that the taste buds have slightly dulled on Taxol.
Laureen, after 8 Taxol, here's my laundry list of SE's:
Neuropathy in fingers and toes (the Glutamine helped. I tried week one without it)
Mouth and back of throat a little sore (Biotene mouthwash helps a lot)
Rib pain for 1-2 weeks (weird)
Occasional tinge of blood or dried blood when blowing nose
Hair thinning but not really prominent until week 6 or 7
Facial flushing on day 2 (Is it hot flashes or just a side effect?)
Very slight queasiness in the morning (due to empty stomach) on days 3 and 4. Bread or crackers work and I haven't had to take any nausea meds yet.
Headaches on days 3 and 4 after treatment 6
Very dry skin.
Red blood count, hemoglobin and Hematocrit levels are slightly low (out of normal range) but holding steady. I don't think you will need Neulasta or Nupogen
So far, my nails are fine.(Any tips on what to do to prevent them from turning black? ICK!)
I am getting DD weekly Taxol. Maybe, doing bi-weekly will be a little easier. I notice by days 5 and 6, there are fewer issues except for a little bit of fatigue. I don't want to scare you. All of these have been pretty minor. I hope this helps. -
Beaglesgirl, my onc staid keeping the port in a year was standard procedure. Not that she thought I would have problems or need it but just have it there. Also the nurse said it is good because of the follow up blood draws and scans they do that first year. I was just disappointed because I don't like having it there...feels creepy.
I asked when rads start and she said 4 weeks after chemo and I'm assuming 4 weeks after last infusion date? Right when my daughter is ready to move into college! Surgery and chemo all started during her prom, hs grad party and graduation! And I have a wedding to go to in August and I don't have a wig...opted for scarves so we will see how that turns out.
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Sue53, if you don't have a fear of needles, I really don't think you need to have the port. I would love to have the thing out at the end of chemo but, due to being HER2 positive, I will get Herceptin every 3 weeks for 8 additional months. But, as soon as that's over, the port is out. I notice it less now but it's a daily reminder too. Yuck.
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Patriotic,
Thank you very much for the list of Taxol SEs you wrote. They are helpful. As far as the nails go, I don't know what works actually. They just turn black slowly and I wasn't told to do anything by my doctor. I will let you guys know if I hear anything significant.
Laureen
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Laureen - I have weekly Taxol. so my SEs are different:
Back and bone pain were mild until this week (I made it to #9 before it got bad and constant)
Rip pain here too - it's a bone pain thing.
HOT FLASHES!!!!!
Blood counts all low - but no shots needed to WBC! Yippee!
Slight bloody noses here too
Finger nails are lifting off the nail beds on the sides - not too bad, we'll see but it looks like I might eventually lose two toe nails
VERY dry skin!
Still Nothing campared to AC!
Good luck!
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I am so excited! I am going to meet a friend I haven't seen in 20 years who just completed her radiation a few weeks ago! She is my old best friend's sister. So happy. And I can get out the house quick cause I have no hair.
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MamaV,
Thank you so much for the input. I should look out for those SEs when I start Taxol in 3 weeks. I really appreciate the info.
Laureen
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Cyborg,
Have fun! Keep us posted as to what you learn about radiation therapy. I will also have radiation therapy for 2 months daily after chemo.
Laureen
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bkj66 i am on it and mine dont hurt but my foot did hurt a few days this round it was my second one too. I think on this stuff anything can hurt us . I get diferent aches and pains every day just not the nails yet.
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Tomarrow is chair day.
I am so tired today, it was an emotional day today. We inturned my dad today.
I went to a mall today to see about finding something sexy but they didnt have anything in my size. It was very depressing.
I guess I have to go online for some sexxy outfits. I want something to make me feel sexy.
Candice
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Candice - I'm in the chair tomorrow too. Sorry you had such a tough day! Hugs!
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MamV and Candice, hoping the "chair" is kind to you tomorrow. Laureen, I am so jealous you will be done with ac! I just had my 4th treatment and still have 2 to go.
My doc said I am definately stage 3, not 4, but the doctor reading the ct scan disagrees because of where one positive node is, just under the im node, which onc thinks it is an im node (stage 3), I guess it doesn't matter. I guess there is some debate if I am even going to have surgery, if I am stage 4, I guess they don't always do mastectomy, and ct scan showed breast tumor completely gone, but do you really know unless you test the tissue?
Counts were low, already had neulasta day after chemo, so had neupogen today and one more tomorrow. Been very emotional, therapist wants to up my effexor dosage. Frustrated. Scheduled to work this fri and sat but I can't work with my fingers feeling like this, I can barely type, yet shampoo and dry people's hair! I need the mone though, should I suffer through or not pay bills? My poor hubby is exhausted from working overtime every chance he gets, which leaves me to go to my appointments by myself, which is usually ok, but today I was sooooo weak and tired. I should have had someone else take me. I was there for 4 hours, yeah, 4 hours for the week after chemo follow up, doc was running a bit late, and they didn't want me to drive because I felt like crap and was weak. Oh, I think I just wrote a book with my sore fingers!
Cyborg, glad you are doing something fun, do you go out completely bald? I wish I could but I always wear a hat or something. Just got 2 new hats, very cute from goorins.com. One has a cute owl pin on the side. I hate being bald, but I guess who doesn't?
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Candice, good for you to try to go buy something sexy. I do not feel sexy at all. The dreaded "c" word probably has taken care of that for a while. BC just sucks! Condolences about your Dad.
Bkj66, your breast tumor was completely gone after 4 AC? WOW. Good for you! My Onc said getting a "complete response" or close to it, is a great prognostic indicator. But, I was told they still need to remove an area of tissue where the BC was in order to verify the pathology. Plus, I want them to remove the titanium ball they placed in my breast during biopsy (cost approx $300, too!) LOL. You should work if you feel up to it. If you don't, just take care of yourself. Can you collect disability? -
Sorry everyone is having such a rough time! This stuff is hard! I know that I have been an emotional wreck. I ended up crying today at a restaurant!
I'm going away for the weekend (just to Portland--about 3 hours away) just for a change of scenery and for room service.
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Hi Ladies - again, I was off line for a couple of days and wow - this thread moves fast! So sorry to hear about the side effects some of you are feeling.
Cyborg - what are you taking for the nausea? I hate to hear that you are having such an awful time. I was having some issues on the Gem/Carb/PARP and my onc was very quick to start changing the anti-nausea meds until we found something that worked. I ended up with the 3-day pack of Emend, plus decadron and Kytril - dumped the Zofran and Compazine and felt remarkably better. They also had Aloxi as another option if the Kytril didn't work.
blondelawyer - I am so sorry - you have more to deal with than one person should ever have to bear...I hope your tumor starts to noticeably respond soon! I found that to be the best feeling when I was on the trial. I hope your dog is improving too - I just read 'The Art of Racing in the Rain' and it was such a great book for dog lovers. We have a 10-year old golden that's a sweetheart but she's starting to slow down and it's hard to see.
MamaV and Patriotic - thanks for the list of your Taxol SE's. I had dose 2 of 12 today and so far it's been really manageable. Some back pain and achiness on days 3 and 4. Face really red and flushed on Day 2 also but nothing else that I've noticed so far. No hair loss yet but my onc says it may start later this week (end of week 2). My red counts have actually improved a bit since I started (they were still low from the Gemzar). No need to have Neulasta yet - the onc keeps reminding me that the A/C will likely be worse so I have that coming, but for now am thankful that so far it's better than I expected. I'm going to start the L-glutamine this week just in case it can help ward off or reduce neuropathy and I'm starting several supplements that a local nutritionist recommended.
bkj66 - I have a friend that had a 4 cm TN tumor with internal mammary node involvment and she was considered Stage III. She had radiation to that area after AC/T and double MX. She's coming up on 3 years clear.
Patriotic - I have a friend that had the DIEP at CPMC with Dr. Kind. She had a fabulous outcome and loves him (I know 2 other people using him for other procedures and they all rave about him). I plan to see him after chemo to discuss but also am thinking of going to New Orleans for a consult. I am pretty sure that's the option I want but the surgeon at Stanford said I was a little short on abdominal tissue (i.e., FAT) and I find that hard to believe as it seems like there's quite a bit there! Just want to get some other opinions. I wasn't too excited about getting tissue from thighs, back, or buttocks so am not sure yet what I'll do...
I also read the book 'Anti-Cancer' that someone else mentioned and really found it informative. Trying to modify my diet to be much more plant-based and I think that is helping me feel better too - if for no other reason than it feels like I'm fighting on every front available to me and that helps my mindset.
Hope everyone has a good day tomorrow - good luck to anyone that's in the chair!
dlcw
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