Chemo May 2011

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  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    blah, that is how I feel 4 days after my 4th ac. I am bored but too tired to do anything. I let the chickens out into their run and one flew directly at me! Scared the cr*p outta me! Then I had to chase her to get her back into the run. That was my excitement for the day. also, my chihuahua is feeling a little under the weather, just wants to cuddle a bit more than usual. 2 more ac to go, if my doc only wanted 4 I would be moving on to taxol/carbo already, but no, I must have 2 more. Am I the only one doing 6 ac instead of 4? I gotta stop feeling sorry for myself....

  • blondelawyer
    blondelawyer Member Posts: 327
    edited June 2011

    Okay, ouch!  I woke up this morning and my lower back and hips hurt like crazy!  I was thinking to myself: what the hell did you do in your sleep...then it hit me, this must be the nuelestra pain people talk about.  Ouch!  I feel like I am about 80 years old!

    Can't remember if I said it already, but went ahead and had the head shaved.  I  do not like it, though people say I have a nice head.  I got a free wig today from the American Cancer Society wig bank and have another wig coming in the mail to be delivered tomorrow.  I also got a "Buff" from REI that some people have recommended and a pretty scarf.  

    I'm tired today, but feeling okay.  I have to take my dog to the vet because she is acting weird.  I hate taking her because she also has cancer and a number of other issues.  She usually seems fine, but has been whining a lot at night for no apparent reason, so I am worried that she is in pain.  I dread the day when the vet tells me that it is time for her to go, but at the same time I am anxious about it all the time anyway.  The vet-oncologist told us that she would be gone about 9 months ago, so she is doing very well considering.  I just don't want to deal with this and really don't want to drive the 30 minutes to the vet (we had a vet we liked when we lived across the water and just kept her).  

     Oh, and Patriotic:  no noticeable change in the BC yet.  Tumor is still ugly and red (as is the rest of my breast).  The AC better work! 

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited June 2011

    Blondelawyer,

    I took a claritin the morning of my neulasta shot and for the next two days, also took aleve, never had any pain at all.  I'm on TAC and I felt funky and weird but other than a nasty headache for days I never had pain.  Try it if you can.  I'm waiting for my hair to start coming out, should be any day now before I shave it, I really don't know how I'm going to react but I LOVE your pink wig, wish I was the kind of person to pull that off!

    Hoping your dog just senses that you don't feel good!  I know my one dog did not leave my side at all during the first few days when I felt crappy, he's still my little shadow. 

  • neecee
    neecee Member Posts: 663
    edited June 2011

    Hey ladies!  I have another wig story....

    Yesterday at work I was talking to a co-worker that was checking to see how I was feeling.  She said it was good that I hadn't lost any hair.  I explained that I had lost all my hair and was wearing a wig.  She would not believe me.  I had to lift the wig up to prove I was wearing one.  LOL.  Too funny!

  • 40-years-old-now
    40-years-old-now Member Posts: 309
    edited June 2011

    neecee,

    That is funny, you think she would believe you.

    But atleast she thought that you looked good.

    Candice

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

      I finished the two cycles the onco wanted to do of the halaven before doing any tests....two weeks on, one week off is a cycle.  Last week was the start of the 3rd cycle so we did the CA27.29 and although I was disappointed that my tumor markers are still very high 2,635, at least they have gone down from the 2,709 when we started this treatment. 

    Next week I will be getting neulasta on Thurs.  after my treatment on Wed.  Isn't it amazing how the claritin works!?!...I had my doubts when they told me about it, but last night I did not have one single ache or pain. 

    My hair loss is at a standstill and I am still going without a wig and actually got a compliment on my haircut today from someone I don't know and who doesn't know my hair used to be thick.  I replied with You are kidding me, aren't you?  This was a friend of a friend so the friend then explained to her that I am doing chemo. 

    My onco will not form any opinion on blood work alone and they have me scheduled for scans July 20. 

    This weekend I was so tired I did not want to drive anywhere so dear old Dad had to drive to me...risky at his age, but he does it all the time and I could just not even think of getting in the car, let alone driving.  Most of the time I am fine, but when the tiredness sets it, it just sort of takes over. 

    I think the vitamins I am taking are keeping the neuropathy stable. 

  • blondelawyer
    blondelawyer Member Posts: 327
    edited June 2011

    I've been taking Clartin (I was taking zyrtec) so I just switched it out.  Hopefully it will help because again, ouch!

     I got a wig from the ACS wig bank today and thought it looked good when I was there and now I am having doubts.  I also got another one in the mail today and again, wonder if it looks okay.  It's funny that I feel more comfortable in hot pink than something closer to my natural color!   

  • 40-years-old-now
    40-years-old-now Member Posts: 309
    edited June 2011

    QUESTION??

    How do you take the clartin, when do you start it, and how often do you take it???

    Candice

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    You take it two hours before the neulasta and then again three hours after.  Some even take it the day before. 

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited June 2011

    38 years old. I take the Claritin the day before and then5-7 days later. If. My bones ache, I take it. It will be 7 days today since nuelesta shot and I am taking it.



    Blondelawyer - nearly cried when I read about your dog. Dogs are the best. Yes, I hope the AC works!!!!! All my + energy toward you.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited June 2011

    Laureen- great about your new place and glad you took the trip to OH. Hope you had fun.

  • blondelawyer
    blondelawyer Member Posts: 327
    edited June 2011

    The vet visit went fine-- the vet is actually amazed at how good Beauty is doing consider by all her medical charts she should have been gone long ago. We think that she might have cushings disease and that is causing her symptoms. But the tests for that are expensive and the treatment is intense, so my vet is not necessaryily recommending it at this point. She gave us some meds to help with joint pain and we will see how she responds and go from there.

  • 40-years-old-now
    40-years-old-now Member Posts: 309
    edited June 2011

    Thank you all for the advice on when to take the claritin.

    I think I will take it the day before. 3 hours before shot, and 5 hours after.

  • Patriotic
    Patriotic Member Posts: 281
    edited June 2011

    Oh, blonde lawyer, sorry about your dog having cancer, too. How terrible.



    I asked my chemo nurses about Claritin for Neulasta. They said they do not see how it can work, "pharmacologically-speaking." Funny, huh? I guess it makes sense that it would block the histamines that might be mobilized by the Neulasta. Does anyone know if Ibuprofen also works?



    In the chair today. Hoping for a good week.

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited June 2011

    Good luck in the chair patriotic. Hope u have manageable SEs. Hang in there.

  • DebRox
    DebRox Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2011

    I had my first neulasta shot last Wednesday. I heeded the advise of taking claritan and aleve and did not experience ANY bone pain.



    I purchased 24 hour claritan that dissolves in your mouth. I took it the day before my shot. In addition for 5 days after. I also took aleve every 8 hours during that time as well. Since it was 24 hour claritan, I made sure to take it at the same time each day.



    Blonde lawyer: I'm sorry about your dog. Dogs are such wonderful companions. They are in tune with our emotions. I'm sure your dog is in tune with you and senses your anxiety and pain. Since my dx, my little dog as been glued to my side, when I cry, she sits next to me and puts her paw on me as if to share my pain. I can see she is worried about me. I hope the meds help Beauty.



    Marybe: amazing your hair is hanging in there. Must have made you feel good to be complimented on your hair.



    Laureen: wow going to Ohio. How nice. I'm debating taking a short trip, but worry a little. Maybe I'm worrying too much and not living while on chemo. Glad you found a new place.



    Wishing everyone se free days.

  • Beaglesgirl
    Beaglesgirl Member Posts: 287
    edited June 2011

    Blonlawyer, I'm sorry about your pup, I feel everything my dogs do and they do the same with me... When my late cocker was 13 he developed cushings as he was already in a battle with cancer. His cushings was hard on me because I could see the effects but he didn't suffer from it. I'll pray for your puppers and for you to always have clarity when making his medical choices. PM me anytime.



    Patriotic I will be thinking about you!



    About the claritin, I tried it the last round and it helped with my runny nose (my nose nose hairs are all gone) but sadly it didn't help with the bone pain. It was certainly worth the try!



    Love to all!

  • blondelawyer
    blondelawyer Member Posts: 327
    edited June 2011

    So, I just got off the phone with the nurse (I'm having headaches) and also asked about my treatment plan, since I didn't know more beyond the switch to the AC.  I'm a bit blown away by the plan, but trying not to freak--it isn't bad, just a big change in my mindset.

    Original plan was 12 Taxol and then 4 DD AC--giving me about 5 months of chemo.  Since the taxol didn't work, the new plan is to do either 4 or 6 DD AC and then surgery, which means that my surgery is going to be coming up much sooner than I had anticipated and means I need to start figuring out what I am going to do about it all.  The nurse said that we should know in about a week or two whether there is going to be significant reduction and so I guess that will be able the time when I know if a lumpectomy is even on the table.  My gut is still telling me mastectomy (and bilateral at that), but I don't feel like I have any hard "evidence" or "proof" to justify it except that there is a higher local recurrence rate with lump and there is one study that suggests that bilateral mast has some advantages in younger women (with TNBC I think--I have to find the info again).   

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    Just my experience, but I had lumpectomy in 2003 and this year had new primary in opposite breast. Not saying for sure that bmx would have totally prevented new primary, but it may have saved me from going through this crap again. In 2003 I was not ready for mastectomy, but now I wish I had done bmx.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited June 2011

    Sometimes I am scared that I did not have a bMX. Doc suggested a lumpectomy and I went with that.

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited June 2011

    Me too cyborg!

  • Sue53
    Sue53 Member Posts: 63
    edited June 2011

    Cyborg and MamaV...I sometimes wonder about my lumpectomy too but the surgeon and MO think that it was the right thing to do.

     MamaV, I see you only have 3 taxol left!Smile 

  • Sue53
    Sue53 Member Posts: 63
    edited June 2011
    Also found out that I have to keep the port for a year!Tongue out I hate it...always bumping it and can constantly feel its presence.  She said it is standard procedure in their office,
  • Beaglesgirl
    Beaglesgirl Member Posts: 287
    edited June 2011

    Ohmygoodness sue! I was told that mine would come out at my exchange surgery - which is a long way way away I guess. Did they say why?

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    I didn't say that to scare anybody, so sorry! My pathology was very aggressive triple neg and found out this year that I am brca 1 positive. I also should have had genetic testing back then but I didn't, I have a very strong family history, and always assumed I was brca positive and I assumed right! My lumpectomy was great, I felt normal and kept living my life, and had absolutely no problems with recurrence. Another thing, bmx would not guarantee that I did not have a new primary,cancer could have found some breast tissue to grow in! At the time, lumpectomy was what I was comfortable with, the last thing I want to do is cause anybody any worry as all our cases are different, it was just my particular experience and thoughts. Again, I apologize!

  • Beaglesgirl
    Beaglesgirl Member Posts: 287
    edited June 2011

    Bkj, I knew that I wanted to go the route of BMX route. I wouldnt entertain any other option due to my family history (mom,gma) and my own tolerance for stress.



    I think we each know what is right for us and then we advocate for that, ultimately our drs help guide us.

  • DebRox
    DebRox Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2011

    I went with lumpectomy too. Recommended by 3 surgeons and an MRI. But I worry if I made right decision.



    I spoke with 2 women at a support group who initially had lumpectomies, then new primaries, both of them oddly enough 7 years later in opposite breast. I asked them if they regretted their decision for lumpectomy first. They both said no. They both had bmx after being dxd with a new primary.



    Then I have a friend who had a mx 10 years ago. She went on chemo, no hormone therapy even though she is er+. I'm not sure why. Anyways she just had a new primary in the other breast and said hindsight she wished she had bmx. She was lucky, the new primary was contained, so she had an mx and then downsized/adjusted her other breast. She did not have chemo or hormone therapy. She didn't even visit an onc. Maybe she should have.



    Why am I saying all this, I don't know. I felt ok with my decision once I spoke with the two women who didn't regret their lumpectomies first. But they both had a recurrence. I am terrified of recurrence! There is no right answer. But it seems bs are recommending more and more lumpectomies. Maybe bc is being caught earlier than in the past and lumpectomy is an option. Still my mind keeps crossing into the dark side and worry. I don't know. I wish we could gaze into a crystal ball!

  • DebRox
    DebRox Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2011

    Bkj66: you didn't scare us. Thanks for saying what you did, I'm sorry to hear you are brca positive. I hope you are able to knock the beast down with all your new treatment. Anyways We all have decisions to make. That is the bottom line. And we make the best one we can with the aid of our team of doctors.



    Regarding lumpectomies, if you really think about it, an mx is really a lumpectomy with huge margins. Did you guys ever think of that? A little breast tissue is always left behind. An mx does not guarantee no recurrence. It just increases the odds due to less breast tissue left behind.



  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited June 2011

    Bkj66-- it's just a lurking thought I have anyway. Just my fears of reoccurrence . Lots of love to you.

  • Robyn_S
    Robyn_S Member Posts: 197
    edited June 2011

    Surgery options are such an individual decision with the amount of risk we are wlling to live such a very personal choice.

    Before Dx I first had an excisional lumpectomy which came back without clear margins which gave me time to think. In my cace a mastectomy was really the only appropriate choice with a large tumour and after weighing up the risk of bilateral BC (higher with ILC) as well as wanting symmetry for cosmetic reasons I decided to have a BMX. Pre surgery I had an MRI which cleared the healthy breast, but really could not ease my mind to living with the higher risks of BC which with lobular is difficult to image (mammogram did not detect ILC only US did). After surgery the PBX side returned a path report showing multifocal LCIS through the breast tissue which confirmed that I made the right decision. Sometimes it is just a gut feeling or intuition about what is right for you.

    I really would never want to do Tx again...Once is really enough and I will do everything to achieve that and live a long disease free life. To this end I am also having a wider field of rad Tx as well (to include axilla with the chest wall and SC nodes)  - there was a recent study which suggests that this significantly increases survival rates. Esp as rads are a once only tx.

    ((take care evryone!))

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