I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

I guess it is easier to make outlandish claims (a la Jon Kyl) then it is to produce proof.

BTW, I don't really care what name you call me because I am ADAMANTLY pro-choice.  In Canada abortion is legal and paid for under our healthcare system.  No politician would dare change that.  

I guess Canadians have more grey (British/Canadian spelling) matter than some other people.

If you want a laugh you need to check out http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement

 on Twitter.  Hilarious! 

Well, while waiting for further information from our Oklahoma correspondent, I have looked a few things up myself.

There are 11 Planned Parenthood centers in Oklahoma, and none of them provides abortion services.  They all provide abortion referrals. 
[See: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/findCenter.asp]

Reproductive Services of Tulsa, a facility that does provide abortions (and whose former Executive Director, Linda Meek, was convicted of that phony bomb scare -- what a psycho!), is not a Planned Parenthood facility.  I have no doubt that PP refers clients to Reproductive Services.  And a former Director of PP of Tulsa, Jacqulyn Longacre, played a role in the founding of Reproductive Services of Tulsa.

Ooohh, scary...  NOT.

In general it is not up to people who disagree with you to do the research that proves your point.

Covertanjou

In general the people I deal with back their statements up with facts. Do I have unusually honest friends?

But then there are no facts when something is not intended to be a factual atatement.

And some people just like to play games because they like to aggravate people.  IMO they should go play with themselves.

But it's always nice to learn some facts ... whatever prompted Ann and Bren and others to go research I do appreciate their efforts.

I really came here to check on hillck.  Now that she has joined us she really needs to step up to the plate and declare her vegetable preferences.  Brussel sprouts?  Lima beans?  Asparagus?  Don't be shy ... some of my best friends like lima beans and I don't hold that against them.   

I'm suddenly very tired.

I don't "have to" do anything here.  (But I have a lot to do elsewhere.)

I'm thinking of Dr. Barnett Slepian, murdered in his kitchen right in front of his wife and teen-age son, right after they'd come home (with their 3 younger sons as well) from Dr. Slepian's father's funeral.

It saddens me profoundly (thus the feeling of exhaustion) to recall that the termination of a pregnancy at 8 weeks was equated with a sniper murdering a husband and father in front of his wife and children.  Use of the terms "baby killer" and "killing babies" in reference to the legal termination of first-trimester pregnancies makes me think of the murder of Dr. Slepian.

I think there's a generation gap here -- I was born in 1952, and my parents in 1924 and 1928.  My father was an Ob-Gyn and my mother a nurse -- both Catholics, and both received some of their training in Catholic hospitals (my Mom got her RN in a Catholic teaching hospital).  My father's position in the late 1960s (prior to Roe v Wade, at a time when states were passing varying degrees of liberalization of abortion laws -- Wisconsin's liberalized law allowed first-trimester abortion if the pregnancy threatened the woman's health, including mental health) was that he would not perform an elective abortion, but he would refer women to doctors who safely would.  My mother (the mother of 8 children) was more pro-choice -- though she didn't say it too publicly, and mostly confided it in me -- but in a nutshell, they both had seen a lot of women brought into the hospital dying (not all of whom could be saved) due to self-induced or "back-alley" abortions -- and they knew how safe and simple a procedure a D&C was when done by a professional -- and they just didn't equate the demise of a conceptus with the demise of a 15-, 18-, 21-, 35-, 42-year old girl or woman.  I think that younger people don't get it.  I work in a hospital -- young interns now will say they think abortion shouldn't be legal, and all the doctors and nurses over the age of 55 will look at each other with widened eyes, and then gently talk the intern through some of these kinds of stories.  I think this was the backdrop of a generation of Catholic politicians in the U.S. who were pro-choice stalwarts -- Geraldine Ferraro, Mario Cuomo, Hugh Carey (former NY governor and father of 13 children).

Seriously, I'm profoundly exhausted and won't be talking about this issue any more for a while.  I respectfully hope that no one maligns my mother and father.  If you need to answer me, fine, but please leave them out of it.  Thank you.

Sweet potatoes.  Without a doubt.  Baked, mashed, french-fried, pan-fried, casseroled, ... any way.  They all work. Well, okay, leave out the marshmallows.

otter

Ann -- Your parents and their colleagues saw the reality as it was then. Some people refuse to recognize the reality of what could be again, if they have their way.

on a lighter note- in NYC I went to Jeff Zakarian's restaurant (one of the judges from Chopped) and ordered LIGHTLY FRIED BRUSSEL SPROUTS WITH GARLIC AND GINGER...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

((((((((((((Otter, WhiteRabbit, Lindasa, Blue, annettek, hillck)))))))))))

Here's a fun link. Rick Mercer, our homegrown comedian, challenged youth to vote in our upcoming election.  A few of the universities made some voting flash mob videos in response.

http://thestar.blogs.com/youth_nation/2011/04/video-vote-mobs-across-the-country.html

Ann - you and your parents sound like wonderful people.  Thanks for sharing.

Ann, what wonderful people your parents were! You are a tribute to them and their ability to parent.

As a child sitting in my Catholic church, I remember the terrible things said regarding abortion, and understood what a sin it was.  However, then I grew up.  To me, it was a far greater sin to stand by and watch young women die at the hands of butchers, so the Pope and I parted company.  The few cells that comprise a blastocyst will never be equal to the lives of the women carrying them, a child sick with hunger, a homeless Hispanic, or the doctors that give the gift of their great compassion by working at the women's clinics.

The pro-blastocysts do not care about the consequences of denying access to abortion, they just want to control all of us and force their beliefs upon our society.It seems that they live in a cold, lonely, mean spirited place.

I must pray for them.

Ann:

You are one lucky woman to have had the parents you did.  They would be so proud of you - please get some rest.

Hugs, Sandy

Hillck:

I LOVE lima beans (they were my dh's favourite) BUT I also love brussels sprouts (not my dh's favourite by a long shot).

Sandy