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  • MJLToday
    MJLToday Member Posts: 2,068
    edited February 2011

    Jane, my point was to parallel some comments here about the fact that anti-fungal medicines may possibly be effective treatments against cancer, "proving" that fungus causes cancer. 

    Of course I am not serious that fungus cures cancer. 

     And no, I've never claimed mainstream medicine works to cure everyone.  I DO claim that mainstream medicine prolongs life, and quality of life, versus doing nothing (or worse as in some of the non-proven alternative medicines), in the face of serious cancers like my cancer.  And, BTW, count the years.  I am a 13 year cancer survivor. I was diagnosed at age 34 -- meaning that cancer was mean and aggressive, to have attacked me that young. 13 yrs is a lot longer than I would have lived, doing nothing.  I can guarantee you that.  As far as "getting back with you" on the evidence -- again, there are many thousands of peer-reviewed studies on pubmed.gov, and all the abstracts are available free of charge. THe BCO articles (not the message board) here does a good job in translating them into laypeople's language, if you are not familiar with medical jargon.

     Sheila you have a good point about the vulnerability of people facing a life threatening disease, and the fact that it's fear that drives them to unproven therapies.  I apologize for the use of the word woo and have deleted it from a previous post.

  • MJLToday
    MJLToday Member Posts: 2,068
    edited February 2011

    Sheila, you are right about when people are facing imminent death, being more accepting of alternative therapies.  When faced with the end of proven therapies, I myself will probably think outside the mainstream box, and see if there are unproven treatments that might work to extend or improve my life.

    I think what really disturbs some of us here is when people are NOT facing imminent death, to be deliberately mislead by Mr. Young and his ilk.  Stage 3 breast cancer is not an immediate death sentence.  One can live for many years with very good QOL using mainstream medicine -- much longer than by doing nothing / unproven therapies.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited February 2011

    MJLT...I didn't realize this thread was about curing cancer. I thought it was about discussing the fungal theory. There have been suggestions on this thread in how to erradicate yeast through yeast free diets, and anti-fungal supplements. This thread has not given a fungal cancer cure. I' don't know if you realize that cancer patients, who have immune compromised problems often are plagued by candida overgrowth. For those who visit this thread, who suffer from yeast problems like I recently did, I hope some of the anti-fungal foods and supplements mentioned on this thread will help.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    That was a tongue in check post by me also.   Seriously, if fungas is a cancer, you would not see fungas kill cancer cells in vitro.

    Jane, you are way out of line once again. I think you should put some serious consideration into editing that post.  That was just rude. It's incomprehensible  to me how a woman with breast cancer can so smugly post that horrible statement. 

  • MJLToday
    MJLToday Member Posts: 2,068
    edited February 2011

    MJLT...I didn't realize this thread was about curing cancer. I thought it was about discussing the fungal theory. There have been suggestion on this thread in how to erradicate yeast through yeast free diets, and anti-fungal supplements. This thread has not given a fungal cancer cure. I' don't know if you realize that cancer patients, who have immune compromised problems often are plagued by candida overgrowth. For those who visit this thread, who suffer from yeast problems like I recently did, I hope some of the anti-fungal foods and supplements mentioned on this thread will help.

    Barry I have no problem with people sharing info regarding candida overgrowth.  It's posts like impositive's, about Mr. Young's book and how it "makes a lot of sense" to her, that I am responding to.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited February 2011

    Janeluvs dogs, You really need to calm down before posting.  My plea for everyone to be respectful extends to all, not just one 'camp'.

    I must be missing something, perhaps an old post, but why are people posting that 'Fungus cures Cancer'?  I thought we had established that some fungals such as mushrooms could kill other fungals and an anti-fungal is being tested against cancer. 

    I saw a documentary about cordyceps from the Himalayas showing how most that is sold is not the right type as two types are almost indistinguishable. There's lots of corruption among the native people peddling it with prices higher than illegal drugs.   I'm glad they've found some in Australia, but it's a long way to even get to testing in animals let alone humans. I want to see in vitro testing on cancer stem cells as they are the true killers.

    If you are both trying to tell me that there is research into natural products here in Australia, well yes, this is something which would require specialised skills to identify, extract and process so the pharmaceutical industry could make much needed money from it.  I don't begrudge pharma the money as it helps to fund more research that might end up keeping us alive. I encourage all research that doesn't put lives at risk.

    My hopes are for a vaccine that will turn our immune system against the cancer or something that will work against cancer stem cells and stop spread.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    Black-cat, You are beating a dead horse with respect to Robert Young.  As I said, I believe success has gotten the best of him, though I think he's touched on some very viable points.  Studies regarding diet and pH are ongoing and it appears some of theme are concluding that an alkaline diet may be beneficial so let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18042305

    So you really ask to see someone's credentials and go through all those steps before you read a book, blog or article?  I find that incredible.  Some people, considered uneducated by most standards,  have made some rather noteworthy contributions to mankind.  Have you ever thought you might be missing out by limiting your reading to those who meet all the standards you list above?  

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    digger, Your posts are so filled with contemptuous sarcasm.  I cant imagine going through life that way.

    I just want clarification, are you saying that it's not a fact that chemo and rads have been shown to destroy our immune systems or to cause cancer and that "fact" only exists in my world?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    MJL Today wrote, "It's posts like impositive's, about Mr. Young's book and how it "makes a lot of sense" to her, that I am responding to."

    If you would, MJL, please comment on the Pub Med link I posted above.  The abstract begins, "Evidence exists that a more acidic diet is detrimental to bone health."

    Btw, I have survived cancer (9 years) with surgery only. So I think we both have valid arguements.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited February 2011

    Impositive, may I respectfully suggest you remove T. Simoncini and R. Young and any other controversial person or statements from your opening post as it seems to detract from the overall purpose of the thread, of looking at fungus in a more general sense if Barry is right about that being the purpose.  More importantly it could cause some unfortunate reader to google them and go off their health professional's recommendations putting their life at risk. 

    I hope if that is acceptable it will also calm down the fears of everyone else.   Alternatively you could start a brand new thread with clearly stated intentions and copy your links over so they won't disappear.  It would be like a summary of your hard work but without the less relevant comments. 

    I hope you aren't offended by my suggestion.  I don't want the moderators to delete the whole thread or it will all be lost.

    I  just read your reply to Black-cat.  Bill Gates comes to mind. Home-schoolers have long lists of people who became leaders in their field despite not attending formal schools.  Some attended university and others didn't.  I partly home-schooled my eldest and he's turned out to be intelligent, sensible, sociable and well rounded (as well as a skeptic) and one home-schooler from Sydney moved to America, employed by NASA as a rocket scientist, literally. There must be horrible failures among the self-educated too, it's just the rich tapestry of life.  Life would be pretty dull if we all followed the established route which will change with time and may prove to be way off the best option, whether it's education, health or any other area in life.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Impositive, you wrote:

    So you really ask to see someone's credentials and go through all those steps before you read a book, blog or article?  I find that incredible.  Some people, considered uneducated by most standards,  have made some rather noteworthy contributions to mankind.  Have you ever thought you might be missing out by limiting your reading to those who meet all the standards you list above?  

    If you carefully read what I wrote, I go through all those steps before reading a book, blog or article when it concerns cancer.  You bet I do.  I want to be informed by the people in the trenches that have devoted their lives to cancer research and are the best in their field.   I have a big bad aggressive cancer that needs to be treated aggresively.  I also need to be armed with all the knowledge that I can find on this cancer so I can be my own advocate.  The treatment I receive is my choice and I have no time for psuedoscience books to help me choose my next steps.  I want to make sure the reading that I commit to is written by a qualified professional who specializes in breast cancer.

    If I want my car tuned up I may call Joe junior down the street with an 8th grade education,  who isnt a certified mechanic but is a whiz with engines. 

    When I am diagnosed with the life threatening disease inflammatory breast cancer do I go to an oncologist who has a private for profit practice  and has not treated many women with IBC in Santa Rosa or do I choose to get treatment from the head of oncology who is employed by a large teaching hospital in San Francisco and has a very good track record with IBC. That's a no brainer.

    Do I feel that I am missing out by not reading Young's and his ilk's books.  Not in the slightest.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Well said, Sheila

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    As I said, I think that it's incredible that you go to such great lengths before you read something, black-cat, that is your empowerment and I dont begrudge you that.  We all choose to handle this beast differently so I just hope that you dont begrudge me my choices. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    Sheila, once again, you are right. I will absolutely remove those names from my original post if that is what is bringing people to react so.  I'm not so sure it will matter but I'm all for it if it does. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    MJL wrote, "Where are your research studies? The burden of proof that a therapy works is on the one touting it, not the other way around." 

    Perhaps you jumped in the middle but we aren't debating whether a therapy works or not.  The topic is whether cancer is fungal related so I haven't posted any studies on the efficacy of chemo and rads.

    Also, If you go back a few pages, you'll see that your "news flash" has already been touched on and I have posted the same sort of studies in favor of this theory.  Fungi are competitive in nature.  In order to survive, they put off metabolic poisons called mycotoxins.  (myco=fungus, toxin=poison)  In doing so, they kill other fungi and bacteria.  These poisons have been proven (see links to scientific studies within this thread) to be cancer causing.  So the link you posted in order to "prove" that fungus cures cancer, actually falls in line with the theory that we are discussing here.  If fungi can actually kill cancer cells then one possiblity is cancer could be mycrobial.  There is a thread called "yeast therapy".  A scientist is doing studies on the yeast, S cerevasaie.  He is injecting it into tumors and claims that the cancer cells are dying due to the yeast, although he doesn't know the mechanism behind it.  I have suggested that perhaps the mechanisms has something to do with mycotoxins that the yeast produce.  

    It really is a fascinating subject and not science fiction.  Fungi and their mycotoxins have been used for many things from brewing beer, to making antibiotics and use in biochemical warfare (T-2 aka-yellow rain)  Fungi and mycotoxins exist and they are proven to cause disease.  Whether cancer or not is up for grabs but that is the discussion here.

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited February 2011

    Impositive wrote:

    So you really ask to see someone's credentials and go through all those steps before you read a book, blog or article? 

    I'd have to say that for me, as well, this particular quote really stands out for me.  That's the whole point, you know?  To know your source?  Not much more for me to say on that one, because that explains a lot regarding how you approach your studies.

    As far as extrapolating that I'm a negative person and live my life that way, actually, it's quite the opposite.  I haven't reacted to any other thread while here on BCO the way I have on this one, and I'm perfectly comfortable the way I am and who I am as a person.  I'm not comfortable with the way you present your theories, how you react when someone doesn't agree with you or some of your pointedly controversial wording and illogical extrapolations.  That's your issue, not mine, and I'm perfectly comfortable the way I have been on the entire BCO board, including this thread.  

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited February 2011

    I honestly think impositive is so scared about her diagnosis (Not that I'm not scared about mine) that she is trying to convince herself. If I were ER-PR-HER+ I would be scared too. Please reconsider your treatment plan.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited February 2011

    Can someone state precisely what is "The Fungal Theory"?

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited February 2011

    Hi Timothy,

    EXCELLENT question!  

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    Bluedahlia, of course I'm scared, if I weren't there would definitely be something wrong. Fear is what prompted my search but fear is no longer what drives me.  My search started because I couldn't accept what conventional medicine had to offer me.  My Onc was assigning me the same protocol as a stage IV patient, I'm stage I.  He said basically because of my age and the fact that I could withstand chemo, let's throw everything at it.  I asked for research and studies statistics and many other questions, like what are my chances if I take rads with no chemo or mx with chemo, lumpectomy and rads or nothing at all....I went home armed with this information and began to study and try to determine how I was going to attack this.  I even posted early on with questions about mastectomy (because I was scared).   The studies were so conflicting and sometimes I learned, even skewed, that I felt I couldn't rely on them to predict my outcome.  My Onc kept saying "five year survival".  Five years?  I want to make it past five years so I asked what what are my chances past that?  Well, that's pretty much all he knew because most studies dont go beyond that.  Women who have had chemo, rads, etc., who have recurrance past 5 years are still considered cured by most studies. Others have told me to listen to the "cancer experts" but if you dont know what causes cancer or what cures it, you are not an "expert" in my book.  I had a lumpectomy because I wanted the tumor out so I could focus on repairing my body and trying to figure out what got me here in the first place. (Something else the "experts" dont know.)  Conventional treatment is basically hit and miss.  That just wasn't good enough for me.  I'm not saying my thinking is the only way to go and that everyone should feel the way I do. Treatment is a very personal decision. 

    That is my explanation as to why I turned away from chemo, rads, and mx. It may not be right for everyone but I wish everyone would respect my choice.  Posts like yours wont change the my thought process but I think you knew that when you posted it.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited February 2011

    You have a very aggressive form of cancer.  Throwing everything at it is good advice IMHO.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    I appreciate your opinion bluedahlia, even though it differs from mine.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited February 2011

    The first two cancers I had, I had different breast surgeons, who disagreed in how to deal with my cancer. Impositive, I'm so glad that we can choose whom we want as our medical doctor. And there are medical doctors out there who support our choices. It's too bad that there are some people who think that their choice is the answer for everyone.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited February 2011

    Timothy,  if you have the time, there are 27 pages on this thread of the possibilities of yeast or fungus link to cancer.

    .........................................................................................................................................

    To others, who seemingly post here, who apparently have no interest in this theory and are here for what reason?...... Is it your intent to stop this thread because you feel we have no right to be at bco?  Where is the freedom of choice, or free speech? Do we have the right to think outside the box of conventional medicine? Are you bco police?

    If you haven't noticed there are loads of fungal theory links on the Internet. If someone googles fungal theory, they are more apt to read something other than a forum of opinions. I doubt that a naive passerbyer would take the time to weed through all thats been written here. They are more likely to get what you might consider "scary" fungal/cancer information elsewhere.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited February 2011

    5 year survival rate

    As far as I recall, with grade 3 if it's going to come back it will be sooner rather than later, and those who have progression after 10 to 20 years are more likely to have slow growing grade 1. Similarly hormone positives are more likely to recur after 5 years but negatives can pretty much rejoice after 5 years as their chances of recurrence are diminished. 

    Someone point me to a page if I've got that wrong.  I picked it up from reading so much and can't remember the source.

    Impositive, although it's inevitable that new studies only quote 5 year survival rates, otherwise they couldn't act on any benefits for another 5 years, the data continues to be collected at 10 years and beyond.  Adjuvant online quotes 10 year survival rates.   Long term studies take into account recurrences and deaths at all stages and that is incorporated into data including overall survival. Where 5 year  survival rates are quoted for a new treatment it's only because they don't yet have 10 year data and are awaiting results. 

    What I find frustrating is when big organisations or governments make sweeping announcements that 5 year survival rates are now xx% but used to be worse, so aren't we doing a good job here, rah rah rah.  That fails to take into account that most treatments will merely delay the diagnosis of any secondaries which artificially improves their survival rates.  So the public thinks we are all going to be fine and don't understand that our overall survival rates haven't improved much at all, but we do get to live longer.

    I have more to say about treatments and recurrence, but have to go out now.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    Hi, Timothy, good to see you here again.  I have to agree with thenewme for once, that is a good question.  I guess I should be the one to attempt to answer.  This wont be a simple endeavor so bear with me.

    For those attacking me....THIS IS A THEORY, not my theory but one I am attempting to explain.  It has not been proven.  There are reputable studies and links I have posted here on this thread that support the theory but do not prove it. 

    The theory that fungus causes cancer or itself is cancer has been hypothesized by many.  Some earlier researchers may simply have said there is a "microbial" link because their studies only recognized an "unidentifiable organism" in tumors.  Throughout the centuries, many doctors and researchers have linked cancer to a microbe.  For time's sake, I will only mention a few here.  One doctor I've mentioned in a prior post is Dr Thomas Hodgkins (pathologist), from the early 1800s. (The same for whom Hodgkins cancers were named)  According to the book Microbe Hunters, Paul DeKruif. 1926, Dr Hodgkins believed, based on his research, that cancer tumors were parasitic cysts.  Johannes Mueller, physiologist, also of the 19th century, microscopically discovered "tailed bodies" of cancer cells that were described as medullary fungus.  He believed that tubercles and cancer cells were germs from the outside that had made their way into the body.  (According to Neoplastic disease: a treatise on tumors, 3rd ed., J. Ewing, 1928)  Today according to the National Tuberculosis Center, tuberculosis is a disease causes by bacteria, Mycobacterium tuberculosis.  Anyone reading this thread enough knows what "myco" is. 

    As I said there were many others who were linking the two and by the end of the 19th century, the consensus seemed to lean toward cancer being a microbe.  However, by the beginning of the 20th century John D Rockefeller entered the cancer research field and created the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research.  Knowing the American Medical Association  was suffering financially, the board of directors came up with a plan to organize medicine.  The plan included the endowment of specific medical schools which met their criteria and grants for accredited medical degrees.  While improving accreditation in general, their financial power began to dictate to med schools and research labs the standards for acceptable care.  The medical chemical industry was basically born (and profit).  It seems focus was then turned to creating chemicals to eradicate this "mysterious" disease instead of searching for its cause.

    During the 20th century, others continued to link cancer to microbes and pleomorphic forms.  They were medical doctors, microbiologists, cellular biologists, pathologists, dentists, veterinary scientists and plant pathologists.  Dr TJ Glover, Dr John Nuzum, Dr Michael Scott, Dr Virginia Livingston-Wheeler, Dr Eleanor Alexander Jackson, Irene Diller, Cellular biologist with the Institute of Cancer Research, Drs Krough, Hald and Holmstrup published findings linking oral cancer to C albicans (1987, journal Carcinogenisis), Dr Milton White, Dr Alan Cantwell, Dr Mark Bielski publishes info correlating C albicans to leukemia. (1997)  The list goes on. 

    I think this information is suppressed by way of failure to fund such research, proclamations from people of importance in cancer medicine to trivialize or negate research results and ommisions of this information from medical teachings.  We have established that fungi isn't taught to any extent in med schools and more recently a book suggested by another on this thread to teach us about microbiology only lists two pages out of 269 on fungi and antifungals.  The rest of the book is about bacteria and virus. 

    We have talked about the fact that cancer cells and fungi share vital characteristics.  Based on this fact and the research that's been done, it may be more than just a coincidence and that's what needs to be studied.  The implication is we may be confusing fungal cells or human cells that are infected with fungi, for "cancer."  Mycologists say this confusion can and does take place when these cells are viewed under a microscope, especially if a fungal infection is never considered to be the problem.  I have posted a couple of news article here where this has indeed happened to people.  A nurse was diagnosed with leukemia. After treatment for "cancer", it was discovered that she had a fungal infection instead. If we never even consider the presence or possibility of fungi, we could be led down the path of "cancer" treatment such as mx, chemo, etc., having completely missed the opportunity to follow an antifungal treatment plan for your fungal infection.  Even worse, by way of the cancer treatment's immune suppressing effects, we could be hastening the established fungal infection and giving way to more opportunistic fungal infections.  The "secondary" fungal infections that a lot of cancer patients develop during the course of chemo, might not have been secondary at all, rather it has allowed the fungi to proliferate or surface elsewhere. 

    We have also established that fungi metabolites, mycotoxins, have been found to cause cancer.  That is a fact, not theory.  Let's talk about estrogen dominance.  Many bc's test positive for these receptors.  Is there an environmental explanation for this increasing trend of ER+ bc's.  Is it hormones or mycotoxins?  Zearalenone, a mycotoxin produced by a Fusarium fungus, and a common contaminant of cereal grains in North America, could provide an explanation.  Zearalenone is highly estogenic: it cam mimic estrogen and can stimulate estrogen receptors in the body.  It can wreak havoc on our hormonal systems and cause infertility, miscarriages, fibroids, menstrual problems and precocious puberty.  You can talk to agriculturalists about this effect on their livestock after eating contaminated feed but our doctors are pretty much in the dark about it.  The food industry is not required to screen our food for zearalenone so it's up to us to try to minimize our exposure to it by minimizing our intake of corn, cereal grains, and grain fed meats,  There are many, many other mycotoxins that can be detrimental.  The only mycotoxin they are required to test for is aflatoxin.

    I hope this covers it.... We need more research to find the cause and either accept or eliminate this theory that so many researchers have touched on.  As long a this information is suppressed, and profit can be made treating cancer but not curing it, I'm not hopeful that this will happen.    

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited February 2011

    I get very irritated when the conspiracy theory is brought up, that medical professionals are covering up possible cures for cancer and hindering cancer research for profit.

    I have known many reputable doctors, nurses, pathologists, radiologists, and research scientists that have high ethics and would never go for this.  There is no conspiracy.

    The truth of the matter is that the medical sciences would be very happy to find a cure for cancer so they can move onto other fields of research in diseases affecting humans.

    There is no conspiracy.  Period.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    Did I miss something? Did someone mention conspiracy?

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited February 2011

    Impositive, you wrote

    We need more research to find the cause and either accept or eliminate this theory that so many researchers have touched on.  As long a this information is suppressed, and profit can be made treating cancer but not curing it, I'm not hopeful that this will happen.    

    And you wrote,

    However, by the beginning of the 20th century John D Rockefeller entered the cancer research field and created the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research.  Knowing the American Medical Association  was suffering financially, the board of directors came up with a plan to organize medicine.  The plan included the endowment of specific medical schools which met their criteria and grants for accredited medical degrees.  While improving accreditation in general, their financial power began to dictate to med schools and research labs the standards for acceptable care.  The medical chemical industry was basically born (and profit).  It seems focus was then turned to creating chemicals to eradicate this "mysterious" disease instead of searching for its cause.

    There is no plan for profits. The medical profession is looking for a cure, not profits.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited February 2011

    In my mind, in order for there to be a conspiracy, there must be a meeting of the minds to conspire to join in something secret and use such means to accomplish an end.  I do not believe there is a "conspiracy theory" going on.  However, I did say that information gets suppressed.  This could happen by way of a person or group of people's inability to get funding for their research.  We all know what happens to a "theory" when there are no scientific stats and studies to back them up.  Someone could actually have stumbled upon something great but without funding for studies, their research becomes "dead in the water".   I also mentioned when someone brings something to the table and a prominent and respected figure(s) within cancer industry negates their research or dismisses it because it doesn't adhere to their way of thinking, others will follow... Not because they have researched it themselves but because this prominent figure "says so" and therefore it must be correct.  Virginia Livingston-Wheeler's story is a very interesting one.  Furthermore, if these people's discoveries are not mentioned or touched upon in med schools, people never hear about them.  Such is the story of fungus.  Most doctors think the only way fungus effects us is the occasional ring worm, athletes foot or vaginal yeast infection.  Because they are taught very little about it but loads about bacteria, when a patient presents with symptoms, most automatically prescribe a antibiotic.  Fungal infections are primarily not diagnosed and even when they are, they are not required to be reported to the CDC.

    Rockefeller was a philanthropist and did some very good things but he was also a shrewd business man.  I am speaking in general here, business is about success and success is profit.  When you hold the power (and money does), you can dictate how things are to be done.  If chemicals are your profit mechanism within your business, that will be your focus for success.  I dont care if the business is labeled for profit or not for profit, money talks.  Hospitals are businesses, your family doctor is a business, your insurance company, the American Cancer Society is a business.  There are things those businesses do in favor of profits, at the expense of the patient.  A prime but subtle example is my dermatologist.  He's a great young doctor who has had to expand his practice 3 fold because of his popularity.  He's in a beautiful building and has an entire floor dedicated to his offices (and therefore, a huge lease payment.)  Due to these facts, he books his appointments 15 minutes apart.  Now I ask you, can a doctor to his patients justice if he's only spending 10-15 minutes with them?

    You said "There is no plan for profits. The medical profession is looking for a cure, not profits."

    Really? One only has to look at the profits and salaries in the medical industry to see that your statement is flawed.

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