Is Anyone Doing an Alkaline Approach

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  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited September 2010

    I would worry less about Dr. Young and focus on the info and his info is consistent with other very credible sources. IE (T. Colin Campbell who wrote the China Study) This is one of the most informative books I ever read and it is backed by many studies from JAMA and others. He is highly educated from accredited universities, as is Dr. Block and his institute and the guy that wrote the anti-cancer book) 

    They are all virtually saying the same thing and it is not rocket science, eat more fruits and veggies little or no dairy or meat and supplements. This is alkaline eating.

    I would suggest reading the above and get less caught up in proving or disproving Dr. Young he is just suggesting many of the things that are clearly backed up by scientific studies. MORE or LESS. Again this should be something for us all to consider and read about here and if we don't agree or don't want to read about it just move on to something that does interest you.

    I am scientific in nature and have worked in diagnostic field for 17 years but I love to look at the alternate approaches and much of this is just good common sense.

    Thanks PUre for sharing, and the rest of you that are sharing your experiences. 

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010

    x-raygirl:  I have been getting my Kagen for free, although, I think they figured I would be paying by now.  I told them as soon as I start earning a living again, I will be happy to pay for the water, as it is expensive.  Kagen says the water is "free" but if you want to make "payments" towards owning the system, they "charge" you towards owning it at, I think, $2 per gallon.

    I looked up Dr. Young on Wikipedia and there are good and bad things about him.  I agree, that it is the common sense of eating better over all that will improve our health and our chances of staying cancer free.

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010

    BTW:  What Dr. Young is promoting is exactly what Mormon's do:  No alcohol, no caffeine, no sugar.  I wonder if anyone has done a study to see if the Mormon population has a lower rate of disease, specifically cancer?

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  • Carole66
    Carole66 Member Posts: 63
    edited September 2010

    I have been reading about this and I am thinking of starting to eat this way too. Makes a lot of sense.

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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited September 2010

    MBJ, I remember reading a study last year that looked at cancer incidence in Mormons vs. Seventh-Day Adventists (who advocate veganism, whereas Mormons consume animal products). There wasn't a huge difference and actually Mormons had slightly lower incidence of cancer. I'll see if I can find the study but it was in a book, and I have at least 35-40 books on cancer, so we'll see if I can dig it up!

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010

    CrunchyPoodleMama:  Thank you!  I wonder if it says anything about their lifestyle choices vs the general population.  I have known and worked with many Mormons, and they were always healthier then the rest of us.  This was a long time ago but I remember thinking, I could never give up coffee.  Today is another day entirely.  I also wonder if the only cancers they get are hereditary.

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  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited September 2010

    I wanted to add that I've enjoyed lurking on this thread for a couple of days now.  Pure, thanks for starting it!  I find the subject of alkaline very interesting and have been testing my PH levels with litmus paper for a couple of months now. There is a very good book that I've ready by two Canadian medical researchers.  Below are some links about the concept of foods that fight cancer and another to one of the author's credentials.  I think anyone interested in the topic of healthy eating to fight cancer would find this of interest. I'm from Canada so this book is readily available at any of the local bookstores but I assume it could be purchased online.  It's very good!

    http://www.londonbookreview.com/lbr0054.html 

    http://www.canadianliving.com/health/prevention/foods_that_fight_cancer.php

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-8-7/44685.html

    http://www.mcgill.ca/translational-research-cancer/researcher-biographies/beliveau/

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010

    Thanks Sugar!

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  • x-raygirl
    x-raygirl Member Posts: 373
    edited September 2010

    Sugar ~ thanks!  My family lives in Toronto and my dad just moved to Etobicoke.  I visit often!  Will check out your sites - so interesting!

    MBJ ~ is the kangen you get from a neighbor or from a place that sells it?

     Cheers to healthy living girls!  Btw, MBJ - I can't give up coffee either.  My last chemo is tomorrow and I am enjoying several glasses of red wine - antioxidants!  That will be drastically cut back soon when I do a liver detox.  Woohoo!   Can't wait for chemo to be behind me :-))))

     CrunchyPoodleMama~ what's the deal with iodine?   I could google it, but thought I'd ask. 

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  • heartnsoul76
    heartnsoul76 Member Posts: 1,648
    edited September 2010

    Great articles, Sugar! I've got that book on my Amazon list now!

    Congratulations, xraygirl, on your last chemo tomorrow! Must be a great feeling! I've definitely been planning on cleaning up my poor liver after this toxic ordeal.

    The "Crazy Sexy Cancer" book might focus on cleaning up a toxic liver since I believe the author is dealing with liver cancer basically through diet alone. I need to check it out, just haven't really been inspired to since she hasn't had surgery, radiation or chemo. That might be one I just check out from the library since I need to learn more from the stories relating to what we go through with all the mangling of our breasts and the chemo/radiation poison trips.

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010
    xraygirl:  I get my Kagen water from a place that sells it.  I did however, give up coffee a year and a few months ago.  A few month prior to my BC diagnosis, I was diagnosed with adrenal exhaustion.  Really miss it though.  Better drink lots of lemon water tomorrow if you are drinking lots of wine tonight cause chemo just kills our liver and our kidneys and everything else including the cancer.
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  • x-raygirl
    x-raygirl Member Posts: 373
    edited September 2010

    MBJ - thanks for the reminder.  I'll fix some right now.  My guess is I have adrenal failure too - from things I read a while ago.  Did you go to a naturpath or special type doc or just figure it out on your own.  Would love to hear what else you're doing.  Kudos to you for giving up the java.  I'm not feeling motivated enough to tackle that - not to mention, the fatigue!

    Heartnsoul ~ I love "Crazy Sexy Cancer" bk - even ordered the CD.  Yes, she has a green drink recipe that I juice every morning.  She has other dietary suggestions that make sense.  I don't plan on going off the deep end but do want to make more changes to clean up the poor liver.

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010

    x-raygirl:  By the time I received my diagnosis of adrenal exhaustion, I was a complete mess and thought I was having a nervous breakdown.  Coffee depletes you and give false energy.  I did get alot more done on it though.  Yes, I go to Dr. Galitzer in West LA.  He is an integrative MD.  who specializes in adrenals, hormones, thyroid and cancer.  I juice, I walk often, I only eat organic, i take tons of supplements, I do the iodine protocol from breastcancerchoices.org, I do the Kagen water, I eat a higher proportion of vegis, fruits & fish and a very little bit of chicken.  I do the high anti oxidant foods and high omega foods.  Just a little of this and that.  I am like Popeye:  I eat lots of spinach LOL!

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  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited September 2010

    Links to studies about Mormons and breast cancer.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15904509 CONCLUSION: In Utah, LDS lifestyle is associated with lower incidence rates of female breast cancer. However, LDS experience poorer survivability from breast cancer than their non-LDS counterparts. Parity and breastfeeding, while protective factors against breast cancer, may contribute to poorer prognosis of female breast cancer in LDS women.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15749135 CONCLUSIONS: Given our current knowledge of risk factors for cancer, differences between LDS and non-LDS in smoking for males and smoking and sexual and reproductive behaviors in females primarily explain the lower risk of cancer in LDS populations.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3834340    As soon as one looks outside of Utah, the Mormon population reflects the same risk for breast cancer as other populations.

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  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited September 2010

    notself:  Thanks for posting these links!

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  • mormor1
    mormor1 Member Posts: 136
    edited September 2010

    Julia,

    Have been interacting on the micro fat grafting thread...just read more of your profile.  Would really recommend you go to karenhurd.com.  You could contact her at 715-877-3510.  She does consults by phone.  I think she could help you cure your DCIS nutritionally and she might have some great tips on getting pregnant.   I was estrogen positive, way too much estrogen on board (still having heavy periods at 57).  Within a few months, I went into menopause and my labs showed a huge lowering of the estradiol level.  My oncologist agreed that I didn't need to take the tamoxifen (which Iwas conscerned about SE's from).  I know you goal isn't to go into menopause!!  Karen has helped so many people, it is just amazing in our community...helped many get pregnant, many cured from breast cancer and so many other conditions. She almost has her PhD now.  Read the story of the poisonous rug...

    Randi

    p.s.  I had babies at 31, 33, 35, 37 and 39 and all of them beautifully healthy...praying for you

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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited September 2010

    Randi, thank you!! Karen's site has been mentioned here before and I was intrigued with her Poisonous Rug story... but for some reason I had glossed over her nutritional recommendations for breast cancer. I also didn't know she did consultations by phone! I will give her a call... although I think I'm on the right track now nutritionally/lifestyle-wise, I am always interested in ways I can refine/improve what I'm doing -- so, thank you!!!

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  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited September 2010

    I saw a book the other day by Dr. Youngs about Alkaline diet.  Has anybody here purchased the book? I'm thinking of getting it but wanted to get some feedback first.

    Sherri 

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  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited September 2010

    sugar, I think pure who started this thread has it and some other people mentioned it in the beginning of this thread i have heard some good comments on it

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  • makmak
    makmak Member Posts: 632
    edited September 2010
    Hi there.. I've been following this thread for quite a while and decided to post. I did purchase the book and am trying to follow it.. though I'm still measuring at 6.5 each day.. I started way lower.. I purchased a Jupiter water ionizer.. hopefully will get it soon and am really hoping all this will help me in addition to all the things I do based on Dr. Block's recommendations. I go there every 3 mos for blood work and consultation.. I can report that I had a mammo and Ultrasound yesterday and my 4cm tumor is gone.. (yes I did chemo and am on Herceptin for life).. but I fully believe that I will only succeed with my new vegetarian(plus fish) life style, my PH balance and excercise.. and I also feel much better than I used to.. even while on treatments.. SO.. Pure thanks yet again for starting this thread which I find very useful!!
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  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited September 2010

    makmak - that's such wonderful news to hear!! Im going to see where I can find a water ionizer here in Canada.  Are they expensive?

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  • ibcmets
    ibcmets Member Posts: 4,286
    edited September 2010

    I also do alkaline water from an ionizer.  A friend of mine referred me to Kagen, but it was too expensive so I did some research and found I could to do the same thing for half the price.  I went to Tyentgiant.com and ordered one for $1990.  The water taste much better than tap water.  I also juice.

    I don't know if it's true, but I heard if you add lots of lemon to your water; you're naturally alkalining it.  I don't remember who told me this.

    Terri

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  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited September 2010

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  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited September 2010

    So my friend went out to Dr Youngs ranch. While there I brought her daughters dinner. They went off on how upset they were that their mom went out there. I had no idea the whole family wasn't on board. Dr Young is Bringhams youngs grand childn ( the founder of the mormon movement) and yes is a Dr but I am unsure where he went to school. His daughters were ragging on that ( his education etc) Anyway I am on his facebook and really does send out some informative, educational information so you really have to decide for yourself. For me, what he teaches makes sense. It makes sense to eat 80% vegetables correct? It makes sense to stay away from sugar, meat, and dairy to me. It makes sense to drink a ton of water. Juicing, wheatgrass, supplements all make sense to me. So it's not Dr Young's way-it's a lifestyle that makes really good sense to me and I feel amazing living this way.

    Also, Dr Young is not the only one that teaches the importance of living an Alakaline lifestyle. In reality I first heard of it through my Natural Path at Duke University here in Durham. So it's not something new or out of the ordinary. I don't buy his products other then the salts and I bought a water ionizer but I do follow a lot of his nutrition advise.

    For the women above that said "Be Careful about Dr Young" Do you mean that we shouldn't drink a lot of water, exercise, stay away from meat, and eat a large amount of vegetables b-c that is what Dr Young believes in. Do you feel that is wrong?

    I don't want to be a rebel just to be a rebel-the man isn't preaching anything other then an ultra healthy lifestyle and I think that is amazing.

    So Lisa went to his ranch and each day they did number things that she can do at him and taught her quite a bit. She came home so strong in her faith that she can beat this disease. She was out there with several other women and men who were all doing quite well. She had an amazing experience and after meeting Dr Young really felt assured he wasnt a quack. She doesn't buy his products either, she actually makes her own or buys them at wholefoods but she really learned a lot about what she needs to be doing. Lisa has multiple mylomia and doesnt want to do chemo or the stem cell transplant. Anyway without boring you with all the details she met quite a few survivors who did his lifestyle and beat cancer so she has chosen this route. She is on a 12 week cleanse and then after the cleanse she goes to 80% alkaline food, plus her supplements, exercise, etc. I pray it's the right path for her but it's her path and she has to decide.

    I myself could never chose that lifestyle-I would tell the docs to hit  me with every drug possible but I am hoping that by living this way now I wont deal with cancer in the future.

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  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited September 2010

    So update on me... I have been MIA but doing good. I lost another 6 pounds. I added some new supplements and every morning I do a smoothie with almond milk, blueberrys, protein powder, and a scoop of greens I got at trader joes. I work out hard to I need lots of protein. I find those greens so nasty ( the powder) so I am so excited to be able to hide the tase in the smoothie.

    I bought green tea capsules b-c I don't have time to drink tee. I drink so much water I am just fill so that one is hard. I hope the caps are as effective.

    Yes, adding lemons brings up the alkalinity of the water but you need to use distilled water.

    My water ionizer was $1375.00. I bought from some local company here in NC but they have people everywhere.

    For jucing...I don't know if you get the same calories as if you ate them raw. I eat a yello pepper raw as a snack each day and then juice around 4:30. I do carrots, celery, kale, spinach and a lemon. The lemon seems to hide the tase.  I di that smoothie drink in the morning.

    I am doing a boot camp 4 days a week and on that same day, later that day I run 2 miles.

    I feel a bit more happier these days-like I am so heatlhy there is no way this cancer is coming back:) Thats my new mantra!

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  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited September 2010

    Hi Pure,

    I sure cannot fault Dr. Young for preaching a healthy lifestyle!

    Since reading your post a few weeks ago, I have increased my intake on veges. Causes a lot of gas though. I play golf, and go around the golf course sounding like a motorbike that has trouble with its exhaust LOL. But I do feel better with tons of veges.

    I finally bought the PH strips and have been testing for over a week now. The strips go from 4.5 to 7.5 with the colours ranging from light yellow  at the 4.5 end to deep green and then into deep purple on the 7.5 end. During the day I can get my ph up to 7.5 and sometimes off the scale (the test looks darker than the strip), but every morning when I test I am always back down to 6.5. So is that normal that we are lower when we first get up in the morning?

    Glenis

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  • x-raygirl
    x-raygirl Member Posts: 373
    edited September 2010

    I just finished chemo 2 wks ago and am preparing to start rads in a few weeks.  I have enjoyed this thread so much.  It has spurred me to do some research and begin drinking alkaline water.  My friend drops off a few gallons at a time (she owns a Kangen system).  I hear if you're on chemo you should only drink 8.5 - nothing higher.  I also ordered some bottles (yes plastic) from my local health food store - just to grab if I'm running out the door.  I am juicing as often as I can and need to increase it - as my energy returns.  It's so great to hear what others do to stay healthy and fit and it inspires me when I hear about you guys working out and losing weight.  I desperately want to drop the pounds I have put on!  Re:  the lemons - yes, it does make your water more alkaline! 

    Thanks, Pure, for starting this thread.  Btw - anyone have any good tips on giving up coffee?????

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  • tedwilliams
    tedwilliams Member Posts: 178
    edited September 2010

    Interesting thread.  I agree with many of the ideas expressed.  The alkaline diet was introduced to me by my nephew....a nutritionist and a chiropractor.  After reading the references to Dr. Gary Young I did a Goggle search and these were the first two links I found:

    http://www.aromaticsage.com/GYRDT.html

    http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young.html

    Both question the credentials and the quality of Dr. Young's products.

    As in all things, one must research and find for themselves what is and is not right for themselves.  For me personally, Dr. Young will not be a resource. 

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  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited September 2010

    I personally don't pay any attention to quackwatch anymore. That site could fish up dirt on Mother Theresa.

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  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited September 2010

    LOL geewhiz!

    Pure- who ever finds fault in a healthy life style then i guess they arent to healthy! My hubby and i are losing 5 pounds a week eating more healthy and we feel great! Im going to try the green tea vitamins didnt know they had them-

    Also wanted to mention that there are 2 different kinds of distilled water one is distilled water and one is distilled drinking water, the one that says drinking water is more clean and pure

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