Is Anyone Doing an Alkaline Approach

chillipadi

Debbie, Pure said that her friend "quit chemo to do it and ....as of last week her bone lesions are almost all gone and this is after quiting chemo and doing his lifestyle for about 9 8 months". Pure also said "I emailed him (Dr. Young) yesterday to ask what his success rate was with breast cancer and he said 100%". Doesn't this make it sound as if the pH miracle diet is a 'cure all' (your words, not mine, by the way)? Why do you think so many people got excited when Pure started this thread?

I'm not bashing Pure or the alkaline diet. It should be clear to anyone reading my posts that my concern was that this thread had not been updated with the news that Pure's friend had actually taken a turn for the worse. I was concerned because people reading this thread might be influenced to believe that the alkaline diet is a sure-fire cure. Some people could have been throwing all their hopes behind this diet, so don't you think it's important for them to know about this latest unfortunate development?

All too often, threads are started and not updated with material information. You see this in forums everywhere. This is not responsible, especially when it could be affecting life or death decisions. I had actually waited a few days for Pure to chime in and furnish more details before I decided to update this thread myself. Hopefully, she'll still speak up at some stage,

It's great to have free-sharing on this site, whether or not we agree with each other's views. This should not be discouraged. However, not sharing ALL the facts is just not on. Are we all agreed on this?

motheroffoursons

I was reviewing this thread, and found something that should be clarified.  The krebs cycle, or citric acid cycle, has absolutely nothing to do with citris fruits or blood pH.

The krebs cycle, citric acid cycle, occurs in the mitochondrion of the cell.  A glucose moleucle (6 carbon molecule) is broken down into two 3 carbon compounds .  Each of the three carbon compounds goes through a series of chemical reactions  with the transfer of hydrogen to compounds such as FAD and NAD to produce high energy containing compounds, which then are used in another cycle to produce ATP, the main energy molecule in the cell.

Krebs cycle is not a part of this discussion as it is a part of a cycle that repeats itself, and does not produce acidic conditions in the cells.

mathteacher

motheroffour,

First, as far as what "is part of this discussion" goes, the posters get to decide that.

Secondly, keep in mind that all physiology is theoretical. The discipline of physiology only reflects the current explanation of how the body works. Theories of physiology are ever-evolving. http://open-site.org/Science/Biology/Physiology

On the other hand, anatomy (the actual parts of the body) doesn't change. The thigh bone is connected to the...as the song goes.

motheroffoursons

Dear Posters,

Everyone is free to write anything. 

However, when something appears that is a gross error according to any freshman biology book or biochemistry book, I like to correct it.  I do not want sisters making treatment choices based on errors in basic science.  Look up krebs cycle or citric acid cycle in any biology/biochemistry book.  It has no bearing on pH in the blood as it is a process that occurs in the mitochondria, intracellularly.

Yes phisiology is ever changing, but don't throw out the basics because of research in the more advanced.

debbie6122

Chill- I do agree with you on the free sharing, also i have not been a big fan of dr young myself because any one who says its a 100% cure makes me wonder about that person, but what i said was, pure herself did not give up her chemo tx she was stating that her friend had and after 2 weeks the lesions had disappered so there was hope there, i dont think that made any one want to stop tx alltogher and go out and buy the as some one said the fancy smanchy water filters, i had heard about the alkiline diet before and was interested but never really paid a lot of attention to it, but after this thread i decided to eat healther and im glad i did, i think we are all smart enough to make our own decisons and not believe every thing we read or hear, my point was that she never made any false statements that cant be proven or disproven. As another poster on here said maybe it helped her friend for longer than it would of given her. And also maybe her friends illness was to far gone for it to be of any good for her but if we all start now eating healthier and taking better care of our selves we can have a chance of it not recurring especially those of us that are er+ because too acidic foods can be harmful to us.I appreciate your posts, and i do agree on some things just not the fact that she should have to come on here and explain herself.

chillipadi

Debbie, once again you are accusing me of saying things I never said. When did I ever insinuate that Pure had given up chemo treatment or demand that she "explain herself"? As only Pure knows her friend's situation,  all of us here would certainly appreciate any updates or details she can provide on Lisa . I'm sure I'm not the only one hoping she'll eventually chime in.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to all your comments blow by blow. I've wasted enough time already. My main purpose was to update this thread with the news about Lisa's condition, as her personal experience with the alkaline diet is what caused Pure to start the thread.

Thanks to people like you, maybe next time I know about anything material, I'll just keep quiet. 

debbie6122

chill- First of all i thought i was being kind to you on my last post, i even said i appeciate your post and that i agreed on some things i never ACCUSED you of anything, once again the emotions are running to high on this thread so i will remove it from my favorites

jp3

Good morning, I'm a newcomer and interested in this topic.  I'm wondering if the alkaline diet is the same as the anti-inflammatory diet?

kira1234

jp3, I'm learning as well so can't answer you, but just wanted to welcome you to the forum no one ever wanted to join.

impositive

It's a shame, it looks like this thread had been abandoned.

jp3, I dont know much about the anti-inflammatory diet and I dont follow the alkaline diet exactly but I think there is a lot of merit in it. I am a protein type so the vegetarian diet is almost impossible for me to adhere to. I try to eat grass fed meats and vegetables mostly. No sugar, no grains, starches, etc. I do the salts and try to eat my veggies raw or juice them to help by body stay buffered against the acids.  What is the anti-inflammatory diet?

Hindsfeet

I am in agreement with the alkaline approach, however, no matter what we put into our bodies, if we are stressed, or depressed, our bodies turn our ph into acid state.

ajmacd

Hi I've been on Budwig since September with a vegan diet.  There is something about mixing the flax oil with the quark that changes the molecular structure.  It doesn't seem to count as dairy after it's mixed!  Go figure.  I have BC and my husband has melanoma.  Both stage I.  I have a lumpectomy on Wednesday Dec. 29 and I think I'm opting out of rads.  My naturopath here does hyperthermia treatment.  He trained in Germany.

calrec

Zogo

My alternative Dr. put me on Bragg's to keep me from getting bladder infections. 1.5 tbsp/each morning. Has kept me out of ER for several years. (I have to catheterize)

x-raygirl

THanks for sharing that Calrec!  I've been fighting bladder infections recently.  I bought Bragg's vinegar but only used it a couple of times.  I'll try your rx.

calrec

x-raygirl

I mix the Bragg's vinegar in about 4 oz of Low Sodium V8 juice.

Cal

MsBliss

Janet, thank you for your explanation of iodine's effects on the breast.  I just wanted to add that when it comes to estrogen, it is a little bit more complicated.  Aside from the various forms estrogen takes, it also comes down to metabolites of estrogen which determine protective forms vs inflammatory and neoplastic cofactors.  If you metabolize estrogen to the "4" form, it is proinflammatory and procarcinogenic.  If you have a lot of estrogen, but metabolize in the breast toward the "2" form (2 methoxyestradiol) it is extremely protective and beneficial. 

So, basically, it is not just the form the estrogen takes, but the way our tissues metabolize it that determines increased risk and increased protection.  When I was tested, my tendency was to form the "4" form and my integrative doctor recommended certain sups and lifestyle changes to alter this, but it is a tough thing to determine and I am also using bhrt.  I don't plan on getting this retested as it was extremely expensive, and the protocol is still too immature to know if it is effective.

MsBliss

For bladder infections you can also use something called D Mannose, which you can buy at the health food or vitamin store.  It is taken with water and once in the bladder it attracts all of the bacteria and you then excrete the bacteria with your urine.  It even works for dogs and cats!  It is so effective and safe and works brilliantly.

Pure

well I cant say it's hookey so that is why I didn't update. I actually believe in the diet 100% and still follow and feel great. My friend Lisa still follows it as well. Dr Young is not the ONLY doctor that coins living an alkaline lifestyle Again, living an alkaline lifestyle mean

-eating mostly vegetables

-juicing

-wheatgrass

-exercise

-yoga

-making keeping stress and toxic thoughts a priority of keeping our of your life

-no meat, chicken, etc ( if you do have it do it in small amounts and make sure it's organic)

So yes Lisa's cancer came back but she does have a terminal cancer to start with AND she quit chemo and did ONLY the diet. For one whole year she had no treatment and the cancer stayed away so she feels strongly that diet no didn't cure her but it allowed to to not have any treatment for one year and she felt great.

She got scared to continue the diet-meaning she stopped doing the diet and asked to go back on chemo. She strongly believes the diet allowed her that time. Her doc even told her that she must have done soething right to keep the cancer away that long when during that time it really should have taken over her body.

Now she is back on a chemo pill which she will take for life but she continues the diet and feels good which has been my point all along. I believe STRONGLY in treatment but taking care of yourself is essential. Again if the above sounds hookey then well eating healthy is not for you.

In addition  to the above I also take supplements and drink 100 ounces of alkaline water. I feel and look great. I have lost 60 pounds now. I eat a lot of raw vegetables as well. I haven't been sick ( not even a cold since a year before chemo started) I never got sick during chemo either. So not only do I believe in the diet-I am proof of the benifits of eating healthy.

Pure

Let me add that Dr Young is one Doctor promoting the alkaline lifestyle. Crazy Sexy Cancer girl promotes it, and every natural path I ever went to told me I needed to get more alkaline.  So if eating a ton of vegetables, drinking lots of water, taking supplements, staying away from meat and sugar and exercising 1-2 hours a day is Hookey then I am one the most hookey people you will ever meet but I sure do feel really really good!

CamilleL

I did a little quick research and Dr (he's not) Young has been thoroughly debunked.  Please see http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/young3.html.   

peggy_j

Like CamilleL, I've heard this has been disproved (heard this most recently from a nutritionist at the Stanford Cancer Center, if that matters). One article I read touted acid/alkaline but then went on to say, "Eat lots of fruits and veggies, cut down on meat and dairy." Overall good advice. But one book I read on the alkaline connection to osteoporosis ranked all foods, so things like raisins were good and other foods (spinach?) were bad. So it's possible that following some of that advice can not only be a lot of work, but can harm your body. My 2 cents...

corian68

Yep! Becoming more Alkaline;) my metabolic panel showed improvement in 4 weeks! Tomorrow I go for more blood work. My levels in everything are becoming healthier. Exciting to take control of my health!

Byrdc

Hi pure, I'm new to this forum. I have been dealing with cancer for the past 6 yrs. Back in 2011 had surgery, chemo, and radation. Thought I was fine, but in 2012 it metabolized from the breast to the liver. I was devistated. I have been on every hormone therapy that u can think of. The last one xeloda just failed me and I have exceeded the hormone therapies. I was told that they wont work anymore and that I need chemo. Did 2 treatments, burned like hell. They told me they are concerned about me. I told them I don't know if I will continue with the treatment. Had 2 so far. My markers has since doubled. I read your post about DR. Young. Can u tell me more?? How do u contact him?? Would love to hear about his diet, thanks!!

ruthbru

Hi Byrdc, I was just scrolling around this morning & noticed your post. This topic hasn't been active since 2011; so if you don't get any replies, that would be why. Best of luck!