Is Anyone Doing an Alkaline Approach

Pure

Is Anyone Doing an Alkaline Approach

Pure

I started about 4 months ago doing about 60-70 % of my diet alkaline. I follow a lot of Dr. Youngs teachings. My friend has multiple mylomia and turned me on to it. She actually quit chemo to do it and since her cancer is incurable I thought she was crazy. But as of last week her bone lesions are almost all gone and this is after quiting chemo and doing his lifestyle for about 9 8 months. She looks and feels great as do I but I still struggle with giving up sugar. I emailed him yesterday to ask what his success rate was with breast cancer and he said 100%/ He is also the only known sciencetist to ever reverse ALS in a patient here in America. Anyway the better I feel the more I get drawn into it's benifits. I know the crazy sexy girl follows it as does Tony Robbins. I was just wondering if anyone else was doing it?

LJ13-2

You can't actually change your pH with food and supplements. Your body regulates pH.

The whole theory of alkalinity as a cancer fighting technique is well documented as quackery.

mollyann

My friend's oncologist has an alkaline water set up in the chemo room.

dlb823

Jenn, I'm not doing an alkaline approach as you are, but I was made aware of the alkaline-health connection when I was first dx'd, and started testing my ph at that time.  Back then, it was in the 5.0 to 5.5 range, even though I considered myself a very healthy eater and was also a heavy supplement user.  Since bc, I've made some significant changes in my diet, including going almost-vegetarian.  I no longer eat beef or pork, but I do have a bit of chicken and fish, although very small portions (3 or 4 oz., and not every day).  I've also eliminated most dairy from my diet, and I eat mostly fruits & veggies.  I've also added several things to my supplement routine, especially since I decided against taking an A/I or Tamox, and I exercise a lot more.  And the bottom line is, my ph now consistently tests @ 6.5  or higher.

Personally, I'm not sure drinking high alkaline water alone can change our body's ph, although I do seem to notice increased energy and a general feeling of well-being when I occasionally drink it.  But I think what we put into our bodies -- or more importantly, don't put into our bodies -- absolutely can and does change our natural ph.    

I'm thrilled for your results, and also very impressed with your other post today about the foundation you've started.  Good for you!!!  Deanna

carol1949

Pure, we have chatted before and the alkaline theory is one I have researched.  It is also one approach my friend who is the "12" year bc survivor used along with other holistic approaches.  So, anyone can say quackery all they want, but 12 years as a bc survivor who refused chemo and rads speaks to my heart.  I haven't met all that many people on here who are 12 year survivors who did it holistically!! 

I must say, I have tried to do much of it, but frankly, I have a hard time staying on task!! lol

AnneW

Deanna, how do you check your pH? Urine? Saliva?

Diet can certainly affect urine pH, but blood pH is very tightly regulated by the body (7.35-7.45) as I am sure you know. So, is the point to get the urine pH high, as a reflection of what we ingest?

Anne

dlb823

Anne, I use those little ph test strips -- urine, first thing in the a.m.  I don't do it often now, but when I first heard about the need to make our bodies more alkaline to fight cancer, I was obsessive about it, because mine was obviously off.  But now that it's in the higher range, I only test occasionally.  As far as I know, that's the way you're supposed to test.  I've never heard of testing one's blood, which might be where the confusion is about not being able to impact our body ph by what we eat or drink.  So maybe as you said, the urine test strips are merely an indication of what's going into our bodies, rather than an indication of some fundamental change in our tissues?  And maybe if our urine is testing too acidic, there's some conflict or stress with where our body wants to be?  I don't know; maybe Jenn or someone else does.       Deanna

jenn1975

I became a vegan.... gave up ALL sugar and processed foods and started the Budwig Protocol in March. I had mets to my whole spine, hip bone, lymph nodes in my chest wall and neck. My ph was 5.5 at that time. I am now NED and have a contant ph of 7.5!!!!!!!!!!!! And my bone rebuilt itself!

Jenn

CrunchyPoodleMama

Girls, I have to admit I never investigated the acid/alkaline theory (I guess I figured if there was really anything to it, my body would naturally shift in the right direction by making the right changes in my diet/lifestyle). Lately, I've been reading more that give credence to the theory.

Totally coincidentally, yesterday morning I received an email from a friend who is a molecular biologist. I never mentioned anything about my approach to fighting cancer naturally, assuming that as a scientist he would dismiss it, but this is part of his email:

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There are several theories of why cancer develops. One of them is an imbalance in the body's acid/base composition where the body becomes more acidic than it should be. So let's say that for optimal health that a person should have tissues with a pH in the 7.25-7.35 range. But once a person goes less than 7.25, then they are in a state that will encourage cancer. You can throw that on top of that viral and fungal theories of cancer.

So, let's say you were on the lower end of the optical pH scale. That might explain the cancer issue, but it might explain the conception issue as well. I haven't looked into this but it seems to make sense to me.

Most people in American run towards the acidic side. I have a strange condition that has me overly alkaline.

But back to you. Unfortunately, the condition isn't always the easiest to test for. Urine and saliva pH can give some indication, but they can't be relied upon 100% (some conditions cause an inverse reaction--fortunately these aren't too common). Litmus paper sucks for measuring pH, but I guess it is better than nothing.

If you came to the conclusion that you were leaning too much towards the acidic, then what can you do to go back the other way? One way is to eat more citrus. Now undoubtedly you are thinking, "Robert, citrus is acidic." And you'd be right, but due to the body's Kreb's cycle, or citric acid cycle, organic acids produce an alkalinizing effect in people. Inorganic acids, on the other hand, such as those found in most soft drinks, drive the body to be more acidic.

vanderlady

Crunchy -- Very interesting email from your friend.... I was most interested in what he had to say about citrus fruits. I recently re-started adding Celtic Sea Salt to my drinking water.  Would also crave pineapple juice in the evening..... although whenever I drank it, my skin started to itch as though it was too acidic.  So, I cut out the citrus.  I'll have to try it again now that I've been more consistent in using the sea salt and see if I can tolerate it better.  Where do you buy the urine test strips from? 

CrunchyPoodleMama

I had heard that citrus (particularly lemons), though acidic themselves, have an alkalizing effect on the body... interesting that he mentioned that. I haven't had a chance to look into a scientific explanation for it yet but plan to. I have no idea about urine test strips (I know that some people just use standard litmus paper)... hoping someone who's done a lot of research into this will explain!

Julies_1st_story

Does Dr. Young have a book or a website?  I am very intrigued and am definately going to talk to my oncologist about this next week.  I am currently following Dr. Keith Blocks Alternative Cancer treatment program with includes an almost all vegan diet (with the exception of organic egg whites and cold water fish), exercise, and supplements.  It marries holistic with non-traditionally administered chemo. He has a book that outlines his program.  Their center is rated 3rd best in the world by Ralph Moss.

dlb823

I've bought the urine test strips on-line, but I think most pharmacies, or at least compounding pharmacies, carry them.  Here's the kind I've bought -- they're very thin plastic sticks with two colors for each numerical value, which makes it easier to match your results to the chart -- http://www.organicforme.com/Alkalive-pH-Stix.html.  (I'm not recommending this particular site.  I just Googled ph test sticks and this was one that came up.)   

Keith Block's book, Life Over Cancer, is one of the best I've read -- not just for diet and nutrition, but for giving us real tools to deal with the psychological and emotional stress, and revitalizing your life.  He really gets it!  Julies, I'm curious which centers does Ralph Moss rate #1 & #2?      Deanna

Julies_1st_story

#1 is a center somewhere in Germany and the 2nd is somewhere in Boston.  I don't have the name of the center of the top of my head.  I think you could probably find it on Ralph Moss's website.  When my husband and I saw that the Block Center was in our PPO we knew I was meant to go there.  When I met Dr. Block for the first time, the first thing he said to me was that he was sorry that this happened to me and we were going to fix this together.  The last thing he did before he left the room was gave me a hug.  The chemo center there is like being in a home.  The dietician made us a delicious lunch and you can even get a massage while receiving your chemo treatment.  It is absolutely wonderful.

motheroffoursons

Crunchy, FYI

Standard pH paper measures a range of 1-14, with the lower numbers acidic, the higher numbers bases.  7 is neutral and is the pH of fresh purified water.  (Water turns slightly acidic when exposes to the carbon dioxide in air).

Urine does not get lower than about 4.5. Nor does it higher than about 8.  Numbers lower than 4 are not obtained in urine.  In measuring urine pH, urine strips are easier to interpret and more definitive.

CrunchyPoodleMama

Good to know... thank you!

dlb823

Julies, I'm extremely interested that you've actually been to The Block Center.  Did you go there for all of your treatment?  And would you mind sharing with us what your dx was, and what treatment you've had?   I've been treated @ UCLA, where integrative medicine is sort of a separate department, available and encouraged for those who wish to pursue it.     Deanna

ritajean

Hi girls!  I've become very interested in exploring the acid/alkaline connection to bc.  It does seem to make sense, doesn't it?  If we don't change the environment of our bodies from one conducive to cancer cells to a more alkaline environment, it's very possible cancer cells will again invade our bodies.

I am soaking up everything that you have been saying.

Pure, I would love some more info on how to get materials from Dr. Young.  I was alerted to the dangers of sugars by my chiropractor/naturalist and have been attempting to weed myself off of them.  Wow!  That's not an easy thing to do because they are hidden in so many things.  I have been using Stevia, a natural root, for sweetening things and am trying to use it in some recipes.  It's a bit challenging since it's much sweeter than granulated sugar.

Jenn, your story is very inspirational!  Wow!  It does appear to be working for you.

I hope you gals don't mind if I continue to "pick your brains" for new ideas and ways to get rid of acidic body conditions.  I'm on a quest to do more research myself and only hope that I can get my eating habits changed.

I'm so glad that you started this thread.

Thanks,

Rita

Cydz

Jenn, I too am vegan (and also in AZ!) In checking out the Budwig protocol, it looks like quark/cottage cheese is essential. Are you finding a vegan substitute for the cottage cheese? I have never seen one. I am a believer in the alkaline diet and am thrilled with your results for you! Good for you!!

vespersparrow

Jenn1975... congratulations on NED, I'm glad it is working for you... but with all due respect, I just wanted to point out that elsewhere you posted about receiving some very intense conventional treatments over the past few months as well. So, how to know whether it was those treatments or the alkaline/vegan diet that shrank your tumors? I think it is an important distinction, particularly on this board, where many of us enjoy hearing about others who used alternative methods and skipped the chemo and surgery entirely.  Not that I don't believe that is possible, but it might be more accurate to state that you used these methods as a complement to the conventional things (and very successfully at that), but not as a treatment on their own. 

peace

jenn1975

weedgirl....  yes I did undergo chemo and the reason is that I am going to do everything possible to stay alive. I actually believe that I used the chemo as a compliment to the natural because the natural is forever and the chemo was for 6 treatments. Do I know what exactly made me NED? No I dont but I can point out that by making my very drastic lifestyle change I became healthier than 95% of the population.

I know the chemo didnt make my ph levels go from 5.5 to 7.5 on a consistant basis. I know that chemo didnt make my bloodwork perfect every time. I know the chemo didnt make my Vitamin D levels where they should be.

The point is everyone has to make thier own choices on how to deal with this and I chose to yes do chemo but also to be natural in the process. I will never have to go on chemo again because I believe that my cancer will never come back. 2 times in a year 1/2 was enough.

I only use organic makeup, body wash, lotions etc.... I do not touch one single oz of any sugar other than fruit. I do not touch one single processed food. I work out 4 times a day. And I did that during chemo. I never had one side effect during those "very intense conventional treatments" other than hair loss and I know for a fact that the reason is how I live my life.

Yes I probably should have pointed out in the beginning that I did chemo too but I dont focus in that part, I only focus on living my life as healthy as possible and treat my body as a temple like God intended.

Cydz, I take the companion nutrients supplements that are recommended for people who are lactose intolerant because they have a sulfurated protein in them. It is a company in Scottsdale that sells them called BioNatures.

Jenn

vespersparrow

hi Jenn,

I'm on the same road as you are... did chemo, surgery, but I also did and am still doing natural things to make my body stronger and keep this thing from ever coming back! (Ask me in 10 years how that worked out for me.)  People tell me I look great and I feel great, but should I post on an open message board that I did some natural things and then my cancer went away?   I just wanted to clear up any misunderstandings in case someone feels encouraged to turn down treatment and try to cure their cancer the same way.  (They might succeed, but I think they'd want more information going in).

Again, peace, and congratulations on NED. I hope we all stay healthy for a long, long time. And no, chemo won't raise pH nor will it rebuild bone... I completely agree that you are on the right road back to health.

gerty80918

I HAVE STARTED DOING ALKLINE WATER AND ALSO SEEING A NUTRITIONIST TO CHANGE THE EATING HABITS.  ALL ORGANIC AND NOT GIVING INTO THE NEGATIVE THINGS IN LIFE.  DOING INTERNAL HEALTH LIKE TAKING PARASITE CLEANSES AND ENZYME THERAPY, ALSO SEEING IF THE BODY HAS ENOUGH VITAMIN D.  I AM NOT LETTING THIS DCIS CANCER GET THE BEST OF ME.  IF U TAKE THE CER OFF THE WORD CNACER ITS CAN AND I CAN GET RID OF IT.  ANY OTHER HELP IS WELCOME.  ALL I WAS TOLD WAS SURGERY AND THAT ISNT RIGHT.  BLESSINGS TO YOU ALL.

ibcmets

I also researched the alkaline diet early on upon my diagosis of stage IV ibc w/ bone mets.  I've also read about the Block Center near Chicago in Evanston IL.  You can google alkaline diet & find a list of what to avoid & what to eat.  Citrus, even lemons are very alkaline.  I bought an alkaline water filter from Tyent Giant.  It's 1/2 the price of the Kagan alkaline filter.  Believe it or not, I read the water even reduces tumors in pets.    I also juice daily with fresh veggies & fruit.  I hear the enzymes are very good for repairing our cells.  I try to stay away from beef & pork & eat lots of organic chicken & salmon.  I have to say I do not follow any of the health diets 100%, but I do try. 

I feel in America, we certainly need to take a better look at where our food is coming from:  in  production of beef & chicken; they put antibiotics in the meat to avoid ecoli and our milk also has antibiotics.  We also feed our cattle corn which is why they are prone to ecoli and they are not grass fed as they should be.  I found a lot of this info out in the movie "Food Inc."  If you want to really know what you're eating: rent this DVD.

If the majority of people choose to eat organic; then supply & demand would bring down the price of organic products and all of us would be healthier for it.

Just one gals opinion.

Terri

Pure

So I migh have said it was quarery myself.. I did a ton of chemo plus more... My doctor literally told me to give her a break AND I  did chemo while pregnant. A lot of people probably thought negative of me for doing that but I had 3 other children and I was just at peace that my child would be ok. And when Lisa told me she was quitting chemo to do Dr Youngs porgram I too though omg how could she do that to her kids. Then slowly but surely I started doing the salts, the diet, supplements, wheatgrass, juicing, and all organic vegetables etc and I turned into a different person. Last night at 9:00 at night I had to go running. I had so much energy and felt so happy/high I had to get out. I had already ran 2 miles in the morning and did kickboxing but I still felt so good I had to let it out. So I don't care what anyone says I feel so flipping good and that speaks volumes for me. As far as it beating Cancer well I emailed Dr Young and asked him what his BC survival was and he said so far 100%-with that said I don' know how many people he has trated with BC. I did watch a video on his site. The girl had stage 3 bc and did his diet and nothing else. She was on Oprah so I am assuming they researched her credibility.

Pure

FYI I bought a water system from Vollara..I felt after reaserching the market it was the best price for the value. If you want the link I can send it.. I also think I still have the video about the water that I can post.

I drink 1 gallon of water a day to cleanse my body. I also make sure I sweat hard core everyday. I love to sweat now as I know toxins are leaving my body. I also do a lot of deep breathing. Just driing I will take 30 seconds and focus on deep heavy breathing.

Also, if anyone if having a problem with contipation omg take Dr Youngs salts.  They clean you out-you will be regular for life. Wheat Grass also keeps you very very regular.

Pure

Terr-Lisa went to the block center as well when she was first diagnosed. She has multiple mylomia and when first diagnosed heavy bone lesions throughot her body. As of last friday te lesions have greatly diissappeared and no new ones had formed. She was given a 30% chance of survival after 2 years.

She feels the lesions dissappeared b-c of the salts and the water. Lisa is also a devout Christian and strong women of faith. She is amazing inspiration and I certainly don't no the diet or lifestyle like she does but she is HAPPY to talk to anyone who would like to learn more of simply just needs some inspiration. You can look her up on facebook. Go to my facebook Jenifer Gault-Varner and I will send you her name..

I found out yesterday sheis going to Dr Young's ranch. UNC wants her back on chemo and she decided to go out to his ranch instead for 5 days. Dr Young agreed to take he at a special rate so I CANT wait for her to come back and learn what he did, etc. I will keep you updated!

Pure

The best salt to use is Sea Salt-get the kind from wholefoods and use on EVERYTHING. I use celtic as well and get from Trader Joes. Sea Salt is excellent for the body.

Lemons and limes are considered Alkaline and what I do is each day get 1 gallon of alkaline water and put lemons into the water. The lemons bring out the alkaline qualities of the water and it makes m feel like I am drinking flavored water:)

Remember with th PH strips do it a half hour before or after you drink or ate. Make sure you test your pee and your salivia. The goal is to have proper ph ALL DAY LONG. So test all day long.

Avacados are one of THE BEST foods you can put into your diet. I try to eat one a day with tomoatoes.

Oils are also essential. I take 1 tablespoon  of avacado il and 1 tablespoon of flax seed oil.

Just to Clarify: By fixing your diet your improving your blood. The blood is your body's terrain-the basis of all disease. Fix the terrain and disease can't live.  That is why so many NP docs will put you on a cleanse at first b-c when you do a liquid diet those foods and oils assimulate directly into the blood easier.

Also, let me clairfy-I believe in chemo.Yes, I strongly believe in chemo...I choose this lifestyle now b-c I don't want cancer of ANY sort again and I want to continue to feel so amazing. In the end it's a personal choice but people really need to know that there is a way to bring your body to total health and when you get there you will never go back!

debbie6122

Pure, im so excited to get going on this diet, i got the alkaline water and strips the other day, now i just have to get all the other essencial things to start the diet, i have been on a low sparing protein diet for the last month, no sugar, starch, pasta, rice very low carbs (no pepsi) which i love it was hard to give up the sugar for the first week now it dosent bother me at all i drink unsweetend ice tea (lipton) it is good. my husband has already lost 50 pounds and i have lost 35 but i dont have the energy b-c im not doing it right- So im going to follow dr, youngs diet too. I love avacados so that is right up my alley. I do have a question for you though, my onco had told me when i was first dx not to take flax seed or oil or vitamins with flax in them or folic acid, so i was afraid too,  being er+ i suppose was the reason, so are you so im assuming its ok?? Just wanted to be sure- Thanks for posting this site I love it!!!

jenn1975

Debbie, I am ER+ and I do the flax oil and folic acid. Yes flax seed is a phyto estrogen but it attaches itself to the estrogen receptors blocking the real estrogen from getting in which causes it to flush out of your system. That is why body builders use it... it helps them bulk up faster because the estrogen is not being used. I am a manager of a health club and a personal trainer so I know that one just from research for work.

Jenn