Anyone Starting Chemo Jan. 2010?

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  • VegasDiva
    VegasDiva Member Posts: 109
    edited March 2010

    Hi Ladies, I had the toughest day today.  I had to put my maine coon cat Creamsicle to sleep.  He was around 18 years old.  I adopted him when he was around 11.  He had the softest fur, just like a bunny.  Talk about BFF's.  My BF Nancy is the best.  She really came through for me today.  I called her this morning hysterical about the cat.  He was fine yesterday walking around and eating and drinking and using the litterbox.  At around midnight he had some sort of attack.  Nancy thinks he was in congestive heart failure.  She is a cardiac nurse.  She told me if I needed her to take me to the vet just let her know.  I watched him for a bit and he seemed to be deteoriating, so I made the fateful call to the vet.  She came over and went with me.  Animals are so sweet and loving, it is hard to say goodbye and no matter how many times you do it, it never gets any easier.

    When we left the vets office she wanted to take my mind off it.  She will be moving the end of next month.  She took me to see her new place.  She lives about 2 miles from me now.  She will still be in the same town, but her new place is about 5 miles from me.  Glad she will still be close.  We also stopped at 2 estate sales then at Dunkin Donuts for some iced coffee.  We came back to my place and she hung with me awhile.

    Even though there are still 3 cats and a dog here with me, I can feel the void. Cry

  • friscosmom
    friscosmom Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2010

    vegasdiva - so sorry for your loss of Creamsicle. :( I'm glad your friend was there for you.

  • mslrg
    mslrg Member Posts: 293
    edited March 2010

    VegasDiva--my heart goes out to you. The exact same thing happened with my 17 pound orange tabby, Morris, about 3 months ago. I also have an 18 1/2 year old cat, Tomkin, and I know his days are numbered. I have 2 other younger cats. Metania, has barely ;eft my side sine my mastectomies--before that she was aloof and never went to people. Now she sleeps with me every night in the crook of my arm. Moishe--I picked up in the park the same day I lost Morris--he was a stray I'd been feeding, and the cat carrier was there because I'd just left Morris at the vet's. They mean so much to me. I cannot tell you how sorry I am. I am a huge animal lover and have animals around me my whole life. It never gets any easier when I lose one. Prayesr to you and Creamsicle. I'm sure he had the best life with you,

  • pumpkinsoup
    pumpkinsoup Member Posts: 34
    edited March 2010

    VegasDiva--I'm so sorry of the loss of your beloved kitty. Losing an animal is tough. I'm thinking of you.

  • rcames
    rcames Member Posts: 19
    edited March 2010
    VegasDiva, I'm so sorry. I had a similar experience with a sweet little boston terrier. It's great that your friend was there for you.
  • KAJDerby
    KAJDerby Member Posts: 310
    edited March 2010

    vegasdiva- so sorry.  Pets are so special.  Don't know what I would do if something happened to my Bo right now.  He sticks by me and makes me feel a lot less lonely.  Hang in there.

  • Tamatar
    Tamatar Member Posts: 38
    edited March 2010

    Vegas Diva - so sorry for your loss!  last weekend we had to put our Doberman to sleep too.  These animals become such a large part of the family that when their time is up, it is like the loss of a family member.  I always tell my kids when we need to put an animal to sleep that we are doing the right thing because tha animal is suffering and doesn't understand why we can't help them.  it's not fair to keep ananimal alive just because we will miss them.  In fact, animals have much more humane endings than most humans.

    Hang in there and remember all of the great memories that you have with your beloved cat. 

  • VegasDiva
    VegasDiva Member Posts: 109
    edited March 2010

    Thanks ladies for all your kind words and support.  It is nice to know there are so many animal lovers out there.

    Tamatar so sorry you lost your Doberman last weekend.  It really tugs at your heart strings.

    mslrg I know what you mean about your little Metania.  When I was going through my colon cancer I had a cat named Beau who never left my side either.  The day I came home from the hospital he was so happy to see me.  When I went into the bathroom to take a shower, he hurled himself against the bathroom door and cried and cried until I opened it.  He never left my side either and would always come when I called him.  It was so strange, he died the day after I got the news that my PET scan was clear and I would be alright.  I truly felt that cat was sent to me as a guardian angel.  I got him 1 month before my colon cancer diagnosis and he died 4 years later and he was only 6 years old.

    Hope you are all having a nice weekend - SE FREE!!

  • gramoflexus
    gramoflexus Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2010

    Hi Ladies , just an update for the gals that are interested in the Taxol SE , Thsi past Wed was my 2 treatment . I'm not sure if it is because I know now what to expect or that the SE's are more managable . Thursday I was great come Friday after noon I could feel my body shutting down . Fatiques and muscle twitches Some of these made be jump out of my seat . One thing that was scary is when I walk sometime my knee gives out / Wreid feeling . Little trouble with bowels but with diet and laxative got that takend care of . One big thing I did notice is my eyes are not running as much , which is huge for me . My eyes were so puffy and sore . Today is day 4 and very sleepy today little muscle ache  took a mid afternoon bath and a pill and slept .

    I need to know from you gals what your feelings are on this issue I have . I jsut love my ocologist doc In fact he has treatment my brothe in law and my father in law who did pass many years ago /

    On my last visit I said ok I'm coming to the home stretch here in regards to treatment . Is there a test (PET Scan) that I will get for like a base line . How will I know that there is no spread.? His answer was to go and live my life happily , don't worry for the next 20 years for something that might not even be there . 20 years will come and you would have worried for nothing . I told him that with 9 nodes involved I have to be real and he said Linda I have had far worse women with 20 nodes and they life a long happy life .He said I feel with the chemo and radiation along with the 5 year pill ( not to mention trial pill i take for my bones ) your  going to be fine.  I guess my question is how are you other ladies getting piece of mind about this situation we are in .

    Don't get be wrg I'm happy to take his advice and go skipping into the sunset but I don't want to fall into another pot hole . Fondly Linda

  • KAJDerby
    KAJDerby Member Posts: 310
    edited March 2010

    vegasdiva - what a beautiful story about Beau!  Made me cry.  Sounds like a guardian angel to me, although my husband would debate that a cat can be an angel!

    gramoflexus - I thought that it was normal to get a scan or blood work.  I have a friend and she insisted on a PET just for her own peace of mind.  I think if it were me and I had your stage with grade three and 9 lymph nodes that I would want to know that the chemo worked.  JMO

  • bubbalu
    bubbalu Member Posts: 177
    edited March 2010

    gramoflexus - I thought they were routine too if the lymph nodes were involved at all.  As for me I want the peace of mind.  My chemo is before the surgery/ radiation and between 2tx and 3tx my onc and surgeon ordered a bone scan/ CAT scan also another breast MRI just to see if the chemo was working and just to make sure it hadn't spread anywhere else.  It didn't and I was greatly relieved.  Statistics are one thing but peace of mind is something else again. 

    Thanks for the info on Taxol SE.  I start #1 on 4/1 and am nervous about the SEs.  My friend who went thru this 6 yrs ago said the worst (AC) is over now.  The SEs from Taxol are muscle aches and pains for a few days, fatigue as usual (no gettin' away from that one) and possible neuropathy.  I too have the puffiest sore watery burning eyes and nose and will be so glad when that's history.  I hope that's the end of the cytoxan experience for me..........nasty stuff.

    I would skip into the sunset with the scan done. 

      

  • friscosmom
    friscosmom Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2010

    Linda - very good question. I still have 1/2 my chemo left plus rads so I haven't yet asked my oncologist what happens after that. I guess I always just assumed that some type of scans or tests every 6 months for a few years was common. I don't want to fret about it constantly but having node involvement myself I tend to worry that some rogue cells are out there somewhere and I do worry that the chemo won't get them all. I worry that if I don't have scans something will develop and get out of hand and it will be too late by the time I start having symptoms. I think if my oncologist told me no tests or scans after treatment ends I might seek out another opinion on that.

  • Issymom
    Issymom Member Posts: 264
    edited March 2010

    Glamoflexus - Thanks for the update on your Taxol experience.  I have my 2nd Tx on Tuesday and feel like that is when I will truly find out how I handle it.  I was so tired and sick when I went for my 1st Tx that I am not sure what the true SE were.  I had the muscle "twinges" some of which made me gasp.  I met with my onc on Friday and the only concern is that I am dealing with some Neuropathy.  She said they don't like to see that after the first treatment.  I can handle it no matter how bad it gets as long as it goes away eventually.  I know some people have never regain their complete feeling.

    As for testing after treatment, I am not sure what the Standard of Practice is for node postive but I am not expecting any scans unless I have a problem.  I don't like that but on the other hand many times the scans show things that are probably not a problem but they just want to "watch" them.  I don't think I could relax if that was the case.  I have heard that when BC metastasizes, there are symptons (pain, discomfort) as opposed to BC in the breasts that is typically asymptomatic.  We just need to pay attention to our body.  I wish this part of the journey was clearer.  I wish is was more black and white unfortunately it is very grey!

    I had a nice experience at the grocery store on Friday.  I was wearing a baseball cap and was looking at display case.  I man came up to me, put his hand on my shoulder and said something like "Good luck to you" and then squeezed my shoulder.  The thing that struck me was that there was true compassion in his eyes no pity.  I had never seen him before.  I was touched.

  • youngmomof3
    youngmomof3 Member Posts: 156
    edited March 2010

    okay Issymom, you just brought tears to my eyes with your grocery store story.

    Gramoflexus: I too am wondering what will happen after chemo. I will be having surgery in the summer and although I didn't have node involvement I am still worried about the chemo not doing it's job right now. My surgeon said the onc would probably order another MRI after treatment to see; I had thought it would be done during treatment to see changes but so far all her has done is measure with his little measuring tape.

    Also have a question for those that haven't had a mastectomy yet and are doing chemo first: Is anyone else experiencing sensations across their breasts after chemo? I just keep having these strange feelingsand wonder if it is chemo related or if I am just hyper about everything and think i am feeling things that aren;t really there. I swear I must feel my boobs and underarms a million times a day right now.

    Sorry for those of youwho have recently lost a pet. I told my 10 yr. old dog she is not allowed to die, esp this year b/c our family just couldn't handle it right now. I am so worried that something will happen to her and the boys would just be devestated.

  • 1marmalade1
    1marmalade1 Member Posts: 308
    edited March 2010

    I am having my 6th (& hope final) Taxotere/Herceptin on March 31st.  Surgery to follow.  I do get some 'twinges" in the area around my tumour (originally 5cm).  I like to think it's the chemo killing off the cancer cells.   My oncs have only used "finger" measurements - however, I did have ultrasound after 2 A/C tx, which showed the tumour had not shrunk at all and they stopped those treatments and put me directly onto the Tax.  At least not having the surgery first showed that the A/C wasn't working.

    I know what you mean about the pets - I have a 10 yr. old Border Collie - last week we noticed that he had some swelling in his under-carriage, and tomorrow morning he is having surgery to find out what it is (although the dog is really active and isn't in any pain - still acting like a puppy).  Vet doesn't think it is anything life threatening, but I feel terrible about it all the same.

    PM me if you wish - I am thinking about my options for upcoming surgery - having trouble deciding whether it will be a uni- or bi-lateral.  Wish someone else could make this decision for me.

  • mslrg
    mslrg Member Posts: 293
    edited March 2010

    marmalad--I had cancer on one side, but opted for bilteal mastecomies because I know 4 women who had cancer in one breast, went through treatment and got "clean bils of health" between 3-7 years laters, they got cancer on the other side. 3 of those women are now dead because of it, and 2 of them are my relatives. That's why I went for the bilat/

  • pagowens
    pagowens Member Posts: 194
    edited March 2010

    Hi Tamatar and Vegas Diva - my condolences on the loss of your pets.  Our cats and dogs give unconditional love.  I'm so sorry.

    I last posted on Friday and I'll give an update on the days post first Taxol -  Friday afternoon the fatigue hit again (steroid must have worn off), I was dead tired Sat and Sun and still fatigued today (day 7).  Fortunately I have had no pains, no aches, none of those side effects and no further tingling in my hands.  However, my skin continues to deteriorate.  My hands are cracked and bleeding and I'll have to get something stronger than vasoline and lotion. I also noticed that my eyelashes are falling out and my eyebrows are even thinner.  Pretty soon I am going to cover myself in thick blue gel and try out for the Blue Man Group.  I look like a pale cousin.

    I'm doing the 12 weekly Taxol so the SEs might be less since the dosage weekly is less than biweekly. I have to go tomorrow for my next Taxol treatment and hope the next week was as side effect-free as this week was.  The horror of the AC is receeding in my mind and on my body.  YEA!

    Hugs everyone,

    Pat

  • VegasDiva
    VegasDiva Member Posts: 109
    edited March 2010
    pagowens  have you tried Aquaphor for your hands?  That stuff is wonderful.  That is what they gave me to use on my breast after radiation, which will be starting next Thursday April 1.
  • 11tyBillion
    11tyBillion Member Posts: 96
    edited March 2010

    It has been so nice reading all of your posts.  Your insightful words about crappy family members, so called friends etc., were really uplifting, and really helped put a lot of things into perspecive.  I have been working hard on my "just letting the negativity roll away", and it has really helped A LOT.  I find myself moving on from negative things, a lot more quickly than I used to.  There are so many other positive events and people I'd rather fill my mind with now-a-days!

     I finished my 3rd Taxol on Friday, and towards the end of the tx I awoke with tingling and sharp pains in 2-3 of the fingers on my laft hand.  I was SO drowsy that I was asleep everytime a nurse came in, so i never got to say anything before leaving.  The tingling pains lasted a day or so, and I guess this is the neuropathy ... but when I called today asking the chemo nurse about it, she says that the normal way of dealing with it is adjusting the dosage of Taxol ... this makes me nervous because I want to get as much of this drug as I can to wipe out whatever nasty cells could be left.  Aren't there other things that we can take to help with the neuropathy?  I thought i heard to B vitamins and certain amino acids are supposed to help with neuropathy ... ? ... I dont want to take vitamins and other stuff without my onc. Dr. knowing, but wouldn't you think that he would suggest these vitamins in conjunction with this treatment to try to lessen the neuropathy before lessening my dose?  

  • Issymom
    Issymom Member Posts: 264
    edited March 2010

    My onc said I could take B6 for the neuropathy but there really isn't any proof that it will help.  I does help some who are taking another chemo (can't remember the name) that cause hand and foot disease.  I did some searching on the web, I couldn't find anything else that we can take during chemo. My naturopath doctor has some ideas for me if it is an issue AFTER I am done with chemo. 

    Pagowens - I bought Bag Balm for my very dry hands, it definately helps.

    I am still having problems with my eyes even though I am done with Cytoxan.  They still water (not as much as before) and are puffy.  I think the watering is making the skin on my eyelids dry.  I have lost at least half of my eyelashes.  I can still put on a little mascara.  My eyebrows are thinning but there is still enough that with a little pencil action, they look pretty good. I am not enjoying this!

  • 11tyBillion
    11tyBillion Member Posts: 96
    edited March 2010

    Issymom -- thank you for the input, I will ask him about the B6, because I am willing to take it just to try to keep this at bay.  I would also love to hear what your Naturopath Dr. suggests for after chemo as well.  How did you find your Naturopath Dr.?  I brought up wanting to have a Naturpath Dr. to work with as well, especially for after chemo, and my Oncologist ROLLED HIS EYES at me.  that kind of pissed me off because I completely understand that the Onc. Dr's job is chemo, and they want us doing nothing to interfere with the chemo ... BUT his job ends when the chemo is over.  On my last day of chemo, he will basically open the door to the big wide world and say "go be a good little survivor now..."  I am TN, and I want some sort of nutritional/health support for after chemo is over!  I have no idea how to find a reputable Naturopath on my own here in my town.  All I take right now are fish oil and D3, and I am scared to death to take anything else.  I am so looking forward to taking Turmeric and some other things when chemo is over!

     My eyebrows have been thinning this week as well.  I cannot seem to find eyebrow pencils at teh store anymore, but I have been using a little brown mascara to gently darken the lighter colored remaining hairs.  ugh. 

  • Issymom
    Issymom Member Posts: 264
    edited March 2010
    11tyBillion - The is a website www.naturopathic.org which has a list of Naturopathic doctors.  You can search for your area.  I live in the Seattle area which has a Naturpathic university program.  We have tons of "holistic" doctors.  The one that I see is will prescribe "normal" drugs if needed but looks at the entire body as a working system.  She recognizes that there is still the need for traditional docs and will work with them as well.  She doesn't treat the symptoms but rather tries to get you body working more effectively together.  The other thing I love is that most of my appointments last 45-60 minutes.  We talk about everything that is going on physically and somewhat emotionally (stress, sleep, etc.).  I have great insurance but they only pay 50% of these visits so I have a traditional GP for the routine stuff.  I am definately not someone who would normally go to a Naturopath but this really seems to work for me.
  • 11tyBillion
    11tyBillion Member Posts: 96
    edited March 2010

    Thank you so much Izzymom ... I am going to that site right now.  An NP would definitely fit into what I want complimenting my GP treatments!  Thank you SO MUCH for your leads!!!

  • 1marmalade1
    1marmalade1 Member Posts: 308
    edited March 2010

    mslrg - I can see why you chose this route - I am really leaning towards that way too.  However, I have yet to meet again with my surgeon - I am sure once I do, everything will be clearer to me.  I will not have re-con, however - I am not interested in more surgeries, drs. appt's, testing, etc. than I have to go through. 

  • mslrg
    mslrg Member Posts: 293
    edited March 2010

    Hey Marmalade--Regarding recon: If I knew then what I know now!!! The recon process has been dificult for me-painful, but I'm part way through and will at least do implants, if not the nipple and tattoo part. I keep telling myself I'll be glad I did it in the long run. But if I understood what I was signing up fori n the beginning, I probably would have opted out of the recon too. I felt so pressured to make a decision at the time, but that's all water under the bridge now.

  • 1marmalade1
    1marmalade1 Member Posts: 308
    edited March 2010

    Ms. LRG  - Sorry to hear it was such a painful experience - I hope the rest of it goes a lot better for you.  I have a high tolerance for pain, but somehow I can't justify putting myself through it.  I do admire all the ladies that have gone/are going through re-con, though, and I wish everybody has a speedy recovery and good results.

  • VegasDiva
    VegasDiva Member Posts: 109
    edited March 2010

    1marmalade1 - how did your doggie do with his surgery?

     My eyebrows are almost completely gone.  I can pretty much count the hairs left on each of them.  I use Smashbox Brow Tech.  It is a powder and brush that make a pretty good eyebrow.  I also use Fiberwig mascara which really adds bulk to your lashes.  You can get both at Sephora.

  • pumpkinsoup
    pumpkinsoup Member Posts: 34
    edited March 2010

    1marmalade1--I had a unilateral MX. My BS talked me out of bilateral, even though I had an MRI that showed Bi Rads 3 in my "good" breast. I wished I had done a bilateral MX and will be having another surgery to do just that this summer. Also, I haven't had any pain with my expander. It's uncomfortable when they put the saline in, and my nurse asks me if it feels like a dog is sitting on my chest! Then that feeling is gone within seconds.

    My chemo was cancelled (first Taxol) today because of mouth sores! I had been doing so well with having no mouth problems, then all at once, huge canker sores on my tongue, cheeks, gums. It hurts and it's hard to eat and talk. My mood is rapidly declining : (( 

  • 1marmalade1
    1marmalade1 Member Posts: 308
    edited March 2010

    VegasDiva:  Doggy is doing OK - acting really sucky, though, and getting everything he wants!  Looks cute with the cone on his head (guess he's not liking it much!)  Vet says it was just a cyst, but is having it analyzed anyways.  Thanks for asking.

    PumpkinSoup:  Did they give you something for the mouth sores?  Seems they have something for all the SE's.  I have been using Biotine since day one, rinsing about 3 times a day, and brushing at least 3 times a day as well.  I didn't run into any problems at all, although my SIL had problems when she was having chemo for leukemia.  Sorry this has been painful for you, and hope you get some relief soon.

    I think I have pretty much made up my mind about the bi-lateral.  Seems to me there are more pros than cons on the issue, I just have to make sure I've made peace with the decision and forge ahead.

    Sending best wishes and positive thoughts to all - g'night!

  • mslrg
    mslrg Member Posts: 293
    edited March 2010

    Marmalade--I think that you will feel much bette once you make a decision, I know I did.

    Pumpkinsoup--sorry about the mouthsores. I also use Biotene mouthwash and toothpaste. I also use a prescription toothpaste my dentist prescribed made by colgate. I have the magic mouthwash (foul) incase of mouth sores--only got them after my 1st infusion, and one small canker sore this past wekend that's gone already. Ithink the Biotene really helps.

    Vegas Diva thanks for the tips on eyebrows. I still have mine, and even my hair started to grow back a little on head and legs. That's probably because my last infusion has been delayed a week and a half. But I've been reading that eyebrows can fall out after chemo is all done.

    I've been having breathing problems since I started chemoand my chest rattles. I saw a pulmonologist today, who is a breast cancer survivor, so she understands what I'm going through. SHe said that chemo can and does affect the lungs. My asthma is really bad and I've developed polyps in my sinuses. More meds to add to my bedside table. SHe is going to run a lot of other tests on me after I'm done with chemo. I've been feeling unwell for the past 3 days--no energy, low grade fever, and achey bones. Gasto guy called today to give me results of colon biopsy I had done last Thursday, but I was out at the pulmo appointment. Why the heck dont they use my cell number like I told them to?

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