I need help, mental breakdown, emotional mess
I need mental help here. I need to feel like a decent, normal, productive person in society again...
I went back to work this week after being out on disability for nine months. I got the feeling from my boss and co-workers that I am being punished for being out for so long. My boss has taken responsibilities away from me and given them to a younger co-worker. My gut tells me this co-worker was stabbing me in the back the whole time I was out and seriously brown nosing the boss. I seriously thing she is sucking his you know what!!!
I had a mental breakdown on Thursday. I had a meething with my boss and this co-worker and was told to do the "grunt" work (in so many words). My co-worker was sitting next to me shaking her head and agreeing with what my boss was saying. I started shaking and tried to tell my point of view but I lost it. I ran out crying and went home. I didnt go into the office on Friday. I refuse to do what they saying I should do, it's not fair.
I called my onc on Friday and told them of my mental, emotional breakdown at work. I didnt go into detail, but they are putting me on anti-depressants. Lexapro or something like that. I want to quit my job, but I feel if I do then my boss and co-worker win. Anyone else go back to work and felt like they were being pushed out?
I dont know what to do. Should I quit? If I do, when I find another job will I have problems with insurance, as in the pre-existing "shit"!
I have been crying my eyes out for two days now. I dont want to go back on Monday. How can I face them? Should I contact HR or will that make me look bad?
There's so much more to this, about how they treated me when I was going through treatment. I actually got a call saying I would be terminated if I wasnt back in six months. Well the six months went by and I wasnt realeased by my onc. I called the company and told them I wasnt making in back in the six month time frame. So I was expecting a termination letter in the mail. No letter arrived. In Oct I got an e-mail saying the company was raising money in my name and another lady in our office with breast cancer.....I was like WTF, scratching my head. Not to long after that I get a call from my boss saying I still had a job..... I suspect my boss got in trouble because I've heard you cant terminate an employee who is out on disability with a terminal illness and the raising money thing done just to make them look good, like they are supportive of this disease.
I am a mental, emotional mess and I know this is not good for my health. I've got to make changes but I'm scared. I need insurance, but I cant take this crap. I need compassionate, supportive, understanding people to work with....what the "F" do I do???? Any suggestions?
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And just to add, I've been with the company for 10 years. This co-worker has only been there for three years. Since I returned she's been walking around barking orders to the team. Sending numerous e-mails about stats - she just keeeps rubbing it in. In my position I'm considered a team lead, so is my co-worker. Since my return, I no longer have a team even tho I still have the title of team lead - things are to remain status quo since I left - she has the entire team - I am to do the "grunt work"!
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Im sorry about everything you are going through....I went through something similar before my dignosis.
What did I do? I left. I walked in on a Tuesday, and told my boss that Friday was my last day. He then said to me, " its a little short notice dont you think?"
My response, " well....I was being nice, I can leave right now if it helps." Best thing I did.
All the stress that your work/job/co workers is causing you is soooooo not worth it.
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Thank you Lexis - I wish I had your strength. What about insurance tho, how did you pay doctor bills post treatment? Did you get another job?
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I found another job right away! But that all this was 3 yrs prior to me diagnosed. I stopped working in Sep 2005 to go on matternity leave. I was diagnosed Sep 2007, no job, stay at home mom.
Im in Canada, so I'm sure you are aware, our system is different. Ive never seen the costs for any of my treatment.
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Oh, my dear, what a difficult situation to be in! While I never had the backstabbing, etc, you are experiencing, I do understand the stress and have had my share of meltdowns. Antidepressants will help, in time. Do call HR and tell someone what is happening to you. Your boss should be made to justify changing your job description and prove that it isn't because of your illness or being out disability, if that's the case it is discrimination and illegal. Also, if your business has an employee assistance program use it. It's confidential and talking with a counselor can be a huge help--this I can tell you from experience. If you don't have access to employee assistance, call your oncologist's office or the clinic where you got treatment and talk with a social worker. The local American Cancer Society office can help you with the issues with your boss as well. You should be able to find the ACS phone number in the phone book or from the doctor's office.
Also--under HIPPA if you change jobs your new job's health insurance can't refuse to cover you. If you do end up leaving the current job before getting a new one you must use the COBRA option to keep insurance coverage, even though it is very expensive. As long as you have had uninterrupted coverage you cannot be denied once you do find a new job.
Cancer treatment really takes a tole on us, physically and emotionally. Find some freinds or family who are supportive and trustworthy for support and try not to let the idiots at work get to you. Easier said than done, I know. Hang in and hang on, it does get better with time.
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((((( Hugs))))) I wish I had the right words to encourage you but I really don't know what to say.
I quit my job when I found out I had cancer. Now I can't get a job due to the economy and I know that employers don't want to hire someone that has cancer - you can't prove it when you have 400 plus people respond to one single ad. Of course there will be someone more qualified than you are even though you might be a perfect fit for the job.
It seems to me that they are setting you up. They want you to quit but they can't fire you so they are doing everything possible to make you miserable.
What you can do......act like nothing bothers you. Continue to do all of the grunt work they ask with a huge smile on your face and of course deep down inside you would like to stab them in the back but take the high road.
I get really stubborn when I feel like I am purposely being set up to push away, quit, or whatever. I refuse to allow anyone to control me like that.
Right now I would be happy with a grunt work type job. I have terrible short term memory loss, can hardly communicate effectively most of the time because the words just escape me. Thankfully my friends and family know that I am struggling with this and they are very patient with me. Damm chemo brain!
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I agree with Janice....
It sounds like they are trying to make you miserable so you will quit, since they have no reason to fire you.
This is what happened to me. In the end, everyone got what they wanted and I did quit.
Don't worry what they think ect. YOU know the truth.
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Dear Jean,
I am so very sorry about this. The first question I would ask is if you are physically and emotionally ready to do the job as you remember it being prior to your absence? If not, then my take would be that you need to move on or ask to be taken out of the position of lead.
However, I would suggest that you stick this out, and request a meeting with your boss and develop a "re-entry plan". This is called "onboarding" and is used most often for work and extended family leave. You need to meet this one head on, and I think you can do this. Tears won't help, and will just convince them that you can't do the job. (Sorry, but I have managed people, and I have to be frank with you here.) What will help is developing a sensible plan for you to assume full responsibility as a lead. You need to do this on Monday.
I would script the conversation something like this.
1 - That you understand the need to divide up responsibilities in your absence, but that you are ready to move forward and assume your duties. (I would express surprise at being the one to take the initiative here.) I would also mention that I expect that some things have changed (safe to assume in 9 months) and would ask to be updated.
2 - Then I would ask how best to transition responsibilities back. The outcome should be a plan with timeline. Perhaps it means some people back, or duties without people immediately. But the whole idea is for everyone to know what to expect and by when. This also puts you in a leadership position and shows that last week was an anomaly, not what they can expect in the future.
3 - If your boss isn't receptive to this, then I would go to HR and explain that you came back and expected to have your old duties back, that you have asked to meet with your boss to develop a plan for doing this, but that this has not happened. I would assume that it is a violation of policy for your boss not to honor this request. This is not any different than returning from any other disability.
I think this approach will work. You are a lead because you have displayed leadership in the past. You need to do this now, and you need to lose the tears. My own opinion is that the situation is salvagable, but you need to turn it around quickly. (The other employee is not the issue BTW...she is only taking advantage of a situation where she has had to do more than her share of work.) And the goal should be to divide up the workload so that you have an equal share of responsibility within a month, or two at most.
The other option is to ask to be taken out of the position of lead, but this should be a last resort. There are ways to do this gracefully, and you could cite needing some more time to recover, but that you need to make sure you are making a contribution to the success of the company. I wouldn't quit at this point.....worst case is that I would work and look for something better.
Anyway, good luck. Again, I apologize, but I think you need to be looking at solutions, not blame and not a pity party fueled by tears and anti-depressants. And I think that once you are on your way, things will be infinitely better. Taking the high road is the best way to get there. - Claire
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If I quit, will I be eligible for COBRA? Could I get umemployment if I quit?
I think I will look into the employee assistance program, thanks for that advice. Also, my boss is using the excuse that an organizational change has him powerless over me retaining my previous responsibilities. He said our groups new boss will be directing us on what to do. But I know in my gut, just from how things have gone down that this has all been planned. I just cant figure it out what they are trying, or are going to do with me. I do know they are pushing my buttons and pissing me off. And that co-worker, she gets under my skin so bad! But I could ask why he's telling me what to do now if he's no longer over our group. I just got back on Monday and things are happening so quickly...it just sucks!! I think I'll stick around for awhile and be a lame duck, I can use the excuse of "chemo brain" for not getting the grunt work done. This grunt work they want me to do is hard work, it requires alot of typing and I have lymphedema. Typing for eight hours really aggravates it and makes my hand swell up. I think I'm going to go with the lame duck scenario and if they start getting on my case about the grunt work not getting done I'll tell them I cant do it because it makes my hand swell and hurt. I'll just go in Monday, put my MP3 player on and focus on my own work - the grunt work will be on the back burner...for a long time. I'll let the co-worker lead take the heat when things are not getting done....
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I also agree with Jancie. I'm also stubborn and so would not let them push me out. Make them miserable and hold your ground. Look at the "grunt" work as something to keep you busier and so your mind won't be so much on your dx.
You've had to get through a terribly rough 9 months - you can take on an idiot boss and co-worker. So get those anti-depressants, which take time to really start to work, and give them a run for their money.
But,whatever you decide you need to do, come here and rant, scream, cry, whatever because these sisters rock.
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Hi Claire,
I did meet with my boss first thing the day I returned. I asked if I was still a lead and he said yes. He said to get with my co-worker lead and split the group up between us. I did that, we had it all planned out. We sent an e-mail to the boss with our plan. He did not respond. On Wednesday he called a meeting and said he was no longer the boss of our group, there was a reorganization. On Thursday my co-worker and I went to his office to go over our splitting of the group. That is when he said things would remain as they were, since he was no longer over the group. I then reminded him of our discussion on Monday, that he stated yes I was a lead and to split the group. Then he started mumbling about a new boss. I questioned that since I am still a lead, what are my duties. That's when he stated to do "the grunt work". I refuse to do it, I was told I was still a lead and to split the group. I've been there ten years, I've done more than my share of grunt work.
Claire - I'm going to PM you a letter I have written for this boss. I would appreciate your HR, Manager opinon.
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My post crossed with Claire's which I think is excellent.
Jean09, read over Claire's advise again, slowly and use it to your advantage. Regarding the typing and lymphedema, you may have to get HR involved in that case. I would get a letter from my onc with that information to back up that you are not able to take that type of work on. Just letting the work pile up undone can work against you as they can then say you are unable to do your job and use it for a bad review leading toward termination.
Bottom line, don't react prematurely out of frustration or anger.
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COBRA, yes, but Unemployment, possibly not.
My suggestion is to check out your state's website on Unemployment rules/laws to check what it states about quitting a job (which is usually referred to as a "voluntary quit" - VQ). Some states withhold benefits for 6 weeks, or can find the claim invalid altogether -- the latter meaning you don't get to collect. If this info is not listed on the website, perhaps you can go to your local unemployment office a pick up a booklet.
Understand, if you VQ, it's your word against the company's word as to why you are no longer employed there.
COBRA is very expensive and the stimulus generated 65% reduction in payment will not pertain to you if you VQ or are fired. It's only for those who are no longer working due to lack of work.
It's better to know these things before you quit so you know where you will stand.
My sympathies go out to you and your situation. I've been in a few very stressful jobs since BC and just trying to make it through the day was challenging.
My best to you!! Hope everything works out in your favor.
Jelly
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Sorry I tried to post something and got completely screwed up in the process. One of the gals asked if she could quit - No. If she is let go, she is entitled to Cobra which the President recently signed a bill that extends the 65% subsidy of the Cobra payment for an additional 6 months. You had to be on Cobra as of October 1, 2008 and the 65% still applies. HR will let her know what she is entitled to. I was let go and was on Cobra as of 10/1/08, therefore I was entitled to Cobra, and still on it until March 31 then I have to be careful myself regarding any Gap to continue a policy that will not cover up any existing precondition.
Good luck and somehow if what I attempted to post earlier got messed up I apologize for the screw up. My fingers were faster than my brain.
Hugs
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Hi Jean,
I did respond to the letter and rewrote into something that you could give your boss without shooting yourself in the foot. I would also suspect he is beyond stressed. I certainly know I was those years when I did not know what my assignment would be for the coming year. Remember, he is also leaving his comfort zone.
Lymphedema is a disability. This doesn't mean that you can't do your job. However, it does mean that there are some things you can't physically do for hours at a time, so there are most likely certain tasks that shouldn't take up all your day. This is an HR issue, and is something you should add to your letter. Just a mention of this, nothing more. This is the same thing as requiring a special chair because of a bad back.
I am sure that all this will be resolved with the incoming manager. At the same time, I think some of this needs to be resolved sooner, assuming a February 1 changeover. If Jan 15, then I would look to the new manager as he/she will want to shap his or her organization their way.
I would also venture that others in the department are equally stressed.
I know I was taken to task for the pity party. All of us are entitled to feel sorry for ourselves. However, it seldom helps our professional image, and positive action usually works better anyway. (Also disagree on the Xanax....you don't want to look "zoned" during your meeting with HR.)
Anyway, good luck Jean. And hope I have been helpful. - Claire
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Lexislove: Re what you said " All the stress that your work/job/co workers is causing you is soooooo not worth it.", I TOTALLY agree. I got too much pressure from my previous job and I quit immediately when I was dx. You know what? It has been even one of the happiest time in my life since I quit, I am much closer to my kids and family, and I can take care of them much better than before. $$ is not worthwhile comparing with life, health and family.
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Right now your health is your #1 priority. Swallow your pride and do whatever work your boss wants you to do. Very soon you will be back on the rise.
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One additional piece of advice: Start taking precise accurate notes on your work situation. They may come in handy if you are terminated or demoted or overburdened with menial tasks. It will also help you to refrain from "rehearsing" your grievances in your head. Good luck!
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Jean09, I agree with the taking of precise accurate notes of work situation until the end either way.
It helped me because after 14 years of dedication and loyalty to a boss who always said how was he going to give me a raise when I was so high paid, my last day in the office consisted of an argument over a computer glitch. I said the magic words "I quit" and he jumped at the offer and placed a family member in my chair. However, that awful day and night, emails went back and forth from himself and I I saved the emails that he forwarded them to me telling me my lousy performance over the past years (my HR file was perfect),(every year he thanked me and I did get a wonderful bonus and increase) he just wanted to give a family member a job. Well, in the long run, I forwarded those emails to the unemployment office and guess what, they were to my advantage. Take those notes and use them. I am still upset over this situation but I guess life isn't fair.
Again, my thoughts are with you, and I also believe that this loss of a job which I loved tremendously, brought on much stress. An almost funny post-night, when I initially went to oncologist for first time, sweet lady taking information asked me if I was under stress.
Have a great day.
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In Canada, this is a human rights issue and it is against the law to discriminate based on illness. The company has to accommodate the doctor's recommendations. In a large company that has an HR person or department, they should be involved and I would never meet with my boss alone - always have a rep with you and make sure that meetings are documented. You do have rights.
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Yes, Cancer is protected under the American with Disabilities Act. You
cannot be terminated or treated "differently" because of it and employers
have to provide reasonable accommodation upon your return. You need to
contact someone in HRM that is familiar with the law and put it in writing. My job
put so much stress on me this past year that my cancer returned after
12 years cancer-free. I know all too well the petty politics and back-stabbing that goes on.
Funny, my cancer mets were to my spine.
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When I was going thru surgeries I was in a very hostile work environment, so I understand what you are experiencing. It was hostile to all, not just me. When I returned coworkers acted like I was on " vacation " and were resentful. I needed the health insurance.
So I decided that in the scope of my life, the petty politics there were not worth je0pardizing my health or care . I did my crying for several days in the bathroom stall, and just thought: WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT THEM????
So what if a younger doofus has your former responsibilities? Or they want you to catalogue paperclips? They would do this to anybody who had a serious illness. Think about that: that is who they are. Very sorry lot. As long as the check comes in and your insurance is provided by them..go thru the motions. I left and went to a park on my own every day for lunch to read, took my coffee breaks SLOWLY like I had never done before....and realized that my job is not my identity. It is a loss, your professional status, but it is not who you are. You are more than that.
If it is any consolation, once I went through this revelation to myself....I could see my peace DROVE THE BUGGERS NUTS!!!! They were all back stabbing each other, and the irony was that the company went under 3 months after I returned.
Keep your job and insurance. Do not take this stuff personally: they would be as miserable to anybody else who had a difficult diagnosis. Realize that their loss is that they are poor in spirit.
Moogie
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The same situation happened to me years ago. Although for a different illness than breast cancer. I was working in Human Resources for a Fortune 500 company about the time the ADA was passed. A company is required to provide access to jobs for anyone with a disability and discrimination is prohibited. As for the Family Leave Act, yes, you can legally take time off work; however, your employer is not legally bound to return you to the position you left. If you suffer a disabling illness and are no longer able to work in your current job, the company is required to find you a different position to accommodate your disability. If no such position is available, they can let you go.
In my experience, Human Resources does NOT work to benefit the employee. Their job is to benefit the company and management. There are loopholes to be found in the ADA, Family Leave Act, etc.
Is it possible to transfer to another department in your company? The most important thing is to hold onto your insurance coverage. It's doubtful that unemployment would be enough to cover the COBRA.
If you decide to quit, you can apply for unemployment. It will depend on whether or not your company would fight it. If at first denied, file an appeal and plead your case to the arbitrator. This is what happened to me .. and I was granted unemployment after I quit.
This happened years ago in California.
Best of luck to you,
Bren
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I have suffered from Major Depression, recurrant and Panic attacks since I sober 21 years ago. I am stable on a "Cocktail" of meds and I have been for over a decade. I know it seems very dark now and I do not want to sound flip or minimize. Part of how you are feeling simply is the result of depression (or what you are diagnosed with). I needed an excellent mental health care provider and therapy (like twice a week) for a long time. I have jumped back into mental health treatment with my diagnosis of BC. I have never had cancer and thought myself the last person to get it. Unfortunately, pulling out of a breakdown takes time, support and love. I have had to work in a hostile work environment (when I got sober) until they could find a way to fire me. My state's Voc rehab department was of great help to me in giving me hope and options, but I had to be "healthy" to act on ideas. Can you afford "Cobra payments" for awhile? I know for me, I simply could not work in a hostile environment. Maybe others can but I simply prefer not to live that way. Give your self time, one day at a time and create a "safe place" in your home for you to enjoy after a tough day. The hardest thing I had to learn was "not to give my power away" to idiots. I am such a people pleaser. It has taken me a long time to build some "boundaries" so I do not have to own other peoples' cr#p and I still attend support groups weekly and have done so for two decades. Any BC support groups in your area? Good place to dump and get new ideas-like you are worth all of the joy and love there is in the world! Blessings
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I've also obtained several numbers for attorney's who practice EEO law
just in case I'm pushed to go legal...and I will if I have to. Right now all
the people that treated me like crap are acting like their my best friends;
however, I realize that once my diagnosis is past a couple of months,
the novelty will wear off and these same people will return to their former
evil selves. I will be ready.
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Jean09, I am going through almost the same identical thing here in my office. If anyone had seen the movie "The Devil Wears Prada", then that will give you some idea of my Manager and her Assistant. I work in a real estate branch office with over 100 Agents for a large corporation. Been with the company 20+ years. I went back to work full-time in December after surgery in September....
I feel like I am caught between a rock and a hard place due to age [almost 64], thus too young for Medicare and too old for new employment. Unemployment would be nice, if bunded with COBRA, that would get me through to 65
I am currently going through Post-Traumatic-Stress Syndrome, can cry on a dime, feeling very tired, and very frustrated, I need some hugs....
After reading the letters and advice above has been so very helpful. I need to do is work at a slower pace and not let my Manager get the best of me. She can really push those buttons. Reading between the lines, I feel my Manager wants me to leave. But I also believe every time she sees me, she is wondering if she will be next to get cancer.... her "hello's" are very cold. How I wished the previous Manager was still unboard, he would have been very understanding, smiling, and making everyone feel positive.
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BEEN THERE! I was dx in late 2006, chemo & rads & herceptin for a year. 2007 was hell year. My boss of 10+ years was HORRID. Long story short, mid-2008 I ended up spilling my guts to HR. I was sure I was being canned. Instead, the next day the devil-boss began an immediate dial down on riding my ass. Things are as close to 'repaired' as I think they ever may be and as OK as can be in this totally crappy economy. (50+ technical manager w/master's and needs healthcare.)
I think Claire has a LOT of wisdom in what she laid out. HUGE wisdom. The only alteration I would offer is don't think of "a re-entry plan" and "taking medications" as exclusive of each other. That plan can really help you move your game forward. But sometimes the meds can help with other things. I praise the inventor of clonazepam, which often buffered my fragile self from an almost hostile boss. It didn't stop my boss from being a jerk but it helped ME keep MY cool which is critical. It was like I put my buttons out of his reach.
Hang in there. You want to do the right thing, but is that staying in your current job (winning that challenge) or leaving them in your rear-view mirror as you embark on a new path? The only time I had to make that kind of choice, I asked myself which action would be the example I wanted to give my daughters. That answer was my decision. No regrets.
Peace,
Beth
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WOW, I am so thankful for all the responses I have received on this subject. You ladies are the best, I dont know what I would do if I didnt have this place to come to and vent. I havent quit my job. I started Lexapro and am feeling much better. I go to work and do my own thing, I'm not letting anyone get to me like that again. I need the job, insurance so I'm going to be as civil as I can. The new boss is coming in next week. He actually called me and told me he would give me clairfication as to what my duties would be and to just keep doing what I was doing. When I told the co-worker about the phone call, her mouth dropped. She reacted jealous to the fact that I got a call from the new incoming boss. I've been there a long time, I have history. There are so many things I know that she does not so I'm sure I'll make a good, positive impression.
I do keep documentation of e-mails. I actually have the one where I was told I'd be terminated. I'm keeping everything. If it comes down to me quitting, I'll have the ammunition to get unemploymnet. I can manage COBRA for awhile, as long as I get unemployment. Heck, they made me start COBRA when I was out on disability, so I can manage. The medicine is helping ot keep me calm. Getting all upset is not good for my health, I know. I want to be around for a very long time for myself and my family.
It was so good to hear the other stories, now I know I am not alone. I love all you, your all so special to me. I cant thank you enough. Claire - Your a GEM!
I'll re-post after meeting the new boss. Wish me luck!
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Good Luck to you Jean!
Claire---you ROCK girl!
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Hi Ladies,
Well, the new boss came in this week. They are going to do away with team leads and have one supervisor over the whole dept. The VP suggested we both apply for the job but I am going to opt out. I dont need the stress. She can have it!! They are also going to change the whole dept status to hourly. So not only will I get "demoted" I'll no longer be salary. I believe they are trying to push alot of people out of the company. I am not going to budge. I'll go in and do my work and if they want me gone they'll have to lay me off
I believe everything happens for a reason and I believe in karma. So what goes around comes around. I believe my "breakdown" was my wake up call to what really matters in my life. I'm feeling much better now and am focusing on my family, not that job.
Love you all!
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