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  • nelia48
    nelia48 Member Posts: 539
    edited August 2009

    I feel terrible that I haven't been here in a while!!!  Forgive me????  I have just caught up with everyone's lives here, and I'm so glad that everyone is doing ok!  I always worry when people are waiting for scans, results, making decisions, etc.  I HATE that part!!!!!

    Ever since my last oncologist visit on July 20, I have been obsessed with diets!  He wanted me to get that lap band surgery.  No one in my area does it, and since you have to go back every week after that, I didn't want to travel that far.  So. . . . decided I would show this guy that I could do it myself.  I was off to a good start, but the past 9 days or so, the scale won't budge.  I've lost 13 pounds so far, but I have soooooo far to go.  And if I don't lose it, I guess I'll have to find a new oncologist, etc.  I just can't face him with no significant weight loss in October.

    I'm still sweating, too!  And I can't sleep at night.  I have a prescription for sleeping pills, but I just lie there staring at the ceiling.  I'm sooooo HOT.  I have the AC pushed down, fans blowing on me, and I still sweat!  I don't know how much longer I can take the Arimidex!

    And my ribs still hurt, too.  I think it's a lifetime thing.  After the last scare with lumps in that area, I don't even feel myself anymore.  I'd be in the office every day bugging them if I was feeling myself all the time.  Seems that my ribs are soooooo lumpy.

    And yes, I did get funding through the Women's Breast/Cervical Cancer program.  Check that out.  If your income is low enough and you are diagnosed with breast cancer, it will pay for your tratments.  Check with your county health department about it all.

    Anyone got any suggestions on how to suck this weight off?????

  • Mary22
    Mary22 Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2009

    Have you tried Weight Watchers, or you could look for TOPS in your area.

    Take Pounds Off Sensibly.

    Or try cutting Carb intake, eat lean protein and veggie and fruit(complex carbs are good).

    Good to hear from you Nelia.

  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2009

    nelia48 - Glad you are back we wondered where you were! 

    I have tried Weight Watchers, did well the first time and lost 26 lbs, but gained it back 'cause I didn't continue. Went back and wasn't able to re-lose my weight. No experience with TOPS.  I have recently tried a diet and low carb with little success.

    My Onc had a really good suggestion, ('cause he is really bugging me to lose weight too and I have a lot to lose)!  If you have good eating habits and maybe just eat too much like I do.  His suggestion was to just cut what you eat in half.  So FINALLY I am going to try his suggestion.

    My wonderful husband offered to walk with me so we do 1 mile 5-6 days per week and I am going to try adding a morning walk two days per week, providing my joints cooperate.  FYI I have been walking a while. 

    Anyway glad you posted! Wishing you success!

  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2009

    BTW I am starting with just cutting breakfast down for starters, like 1 egg instead of 2 and 1/2 slice of toast.  It would be nice if just increase in exercise would be enough!  Laughing

    Susie

  • Mary22
    Mary22 Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2009

    Also you could try using a salad plate and divide it in 1/2. Fill 1/2 w/ your veggies and then divide the other 1/2 in 1/2 again and fill one w/ a good starch and one w/ a lean protein.Laughing

    Just another suggestion.

  • kristifromsandiego
    kristifromsandiego Member Posts: 271
    edited August 2009

    Hi guys,

    I have always been a bit obcessive about weight.  I am not sure if this is the healthiest plan but what I did was give my self, things I could eat and things I could not eat.  For instance, breakfast could be one egg, one piece of toast and a slice of melon, that is it.  Then if you get tired of that, switch it out with some oatmeal and fruit.  Never have pancakes, or another piece of toast or a cookie.  Just tell yourself that those are not allowed.  You have to have will power.  But I noticed when I just told myself that certain things were not allowed it worked better, rather than saying well just today I will have an extra slice of bread....not allowed.     Crackers are my down fall and I know that if I sit and say I am only having 5 then I have given in, it is better not to have any...go for a walk, go pull weeds, dust, there are a million things to do.  This whole thing also helped me because I did not need to meal plan very much, I knew what I was going to eat.  Dinner I had about 4 meals modified with.  It is a bit boring, but it works and it changes your focus from eating to living.           Plus my Mom was always over weight and dieting and I didn't want to be consumed by that my entire life.    Hope it helps  Kristi

  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2009

    Good tips girls!

    Mary22:  Good suggestion one plate size, one I use most times but not always. 

    I also started drinking Green Smoothies, my favorites are Spinach with banana, few strawberries, and pineapple.  Then switching spinach out with one of the following parsley, kale and Chard.  Believe it or not very good!  I attribute this to getting rid of my sugar cravings!  Plus greens are so GOOD for you!

    kristifromsandiego - Good idea but hmmm, don't think that will work for me, the minute I think I CAN'T HAVE something that is what I WANT and it just makes me crazy!  I just focus on healthy eating, easy for me 'cause I like healthy stuff!  

    I am doing good this week on weight loss, lost 5 lbs.  Walking yesterday was a challenge I walked 1 1/2 in AM and 1 mile PM.  Eventually providing my knee's cooperate I will be back up to my 5 miles per day!   Cry

    nelia48 - Just keep at it and find what works for you, what is good for me may not work for you.  I also thought about the whole lap band thing but what changed my mind.  Realizing for me the solution was to eat less exercise more!  Keep trying you will find it!  

  • Jeanne_D
    Jeanne_D Member Posts: 175
    edited August 2009

    Hi Everyone!


    It has been awhile. I just wondered if anyone else is having some pain after being done with rads. I have been done with them for about 2 months now, but, I still have some pain in my breast. It isn't bad, but, noticeable. There is no way I could even think of a mammogram. My rads oncologist and my oncologist say it is normal. Is it? LOL Does anyone here still have it? Ok, thanks!

    Love, Jeanne

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    I still have some tenderness and pain around my lumpectomy scar. When there is no pressure it doesn't hurt or just aches a little but it hurts when there is any pressure like when lying on it. My onc said that may not go away. I think it is due to the lumpectomy rather than rads because it has been consistent since before rads.

    I went ahead and had my mammogram and toughed it out. It wasn't that bad, only a little worse than the non-lumpectomy side. It came back clear. Also had a follow-up lung X-ray and the calcium granuloma hasn't changed. That helps confirm the diagnosis of it as a harmless calcium granuloma. I'll have another X-ray in a year to make sure but I'm not worried.

    I had my last MUGA today (a heart check that they do periodically when you take Herceptin or some chemo drugs). I don't have the official result yet, but from what the tech said, it hasn't changed much from where I started.

    10 more weeks to my last Herceptin treatment and I'll be done with this! 

  • Mary22
    Mary22 Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2009

    Jeanne, yes there will still be pain, not only from rads, but from recovery for surgery too. Our bodies have been thru h*ll.

    BLUEDASHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Great on the test results!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2009

    Jeanne...my last rad was Apr 29 (burned in my mind..no pun intended LOL) and I still get pain off and on.  Sometimes a sharp pain and then poof it's gone, other times a really achy feeling that will last a few minutes.   I agree with Mary22...our bodes have been thru h*ll. 

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    YAAAAY for you Blue!!! Wow cool to be done in 10 weeks.

    Purple Carol- nice to see ya!!!  Love the avatar! :) 

    Here's me and Mary:

     

  • Jeanne_D
    Jeanne_D Member Posts: 175
    edited August 2009

    Thank you everyone for you replies. I guess I am not alone in this. lol I just didn't realize that I would still be having pain in my breast still. My doctor's keep telling me that it is going to take time. I am just not very patient. lol And yes, we have put our poor bodies thru H___!



    Congrats BlueDasher! That is great news!



    Love, Jeanne

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    I think I've mentioned here before that I was on the SWOG 0307 clinical trial and was concerned that the drug I was on for it, clodronate, was causing elevated creatinine levels which indicate that there is stress on the kidney. I did internet searches on creatinine elevation and found conflicting information about whether my elevation was serious or not. I talked to my PCP and oncologist about it and they couldn't say what the elevated level meant about risk of damage to my kidneys by staying on the drug. Finally Monday I got my oncologist to refer me to a nephrologist (kidney specialist) and I got an appointment for Friday.

    She was really good at taking a full history, discussing my concern and answering my questions. I brought my husband along so that he could listen too to catch anything I might miss and to help me decide what to do. She agreed that it is likely the clodronate that is causing my elevated levels. She said that the risk of permanent kidney damage goes up with dose level (the study dose is pretty high) and duration. I may be more at risk since my creatinine level is already showing that my kidneys don't handle the drug well. We all agreed that the risk to my kidneys of being on this dose for 3 years is too high compared to the potential benefit of lower recurrence. 

    (Clodronate also helps for osteoporosis but I have no sign of that and I don't have risk factors for it. And if I did need treatment for it the dose would be lower and there is at least one drug that doesn't list kidney failure as a side effect though it has other potential issues.)

    So I've stopped taking the drug and I'll tell the clinical trial nurse on Monday that I'm leaving the trial.

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    Wow blue- always good info but I am sorry about the news.  Ibuprophen also not good for the kidneys, right?  Tylenol too?  Any case, I try to avoid taking them although I had to for much of the RADs and stuff.  Is the same issue for clodronate for zometa too?  THANK YOU for the update!

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    Great news Susie!!!!  Keep on walkin girl!!!

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    on the weight loss, it's ANY diet that works for you, bottom line eating less calories and spending more calories- and the second part is really good for a LOT of reasons.  It makes you burn calories faster and it makes you feel better and it fights cancer.  ANY increase in exercise.  Don't fast.  

    Substitute stuff, like I use non fat yogurt instead of mayo, chicken broth instead of oil for cooking... stay away from the processed replacements like nutrisweet etc... and cut sugar and salt completely.  Walk short distances instead of driving. Cook your own food.  Get rid of all the sodas and juices, they are just like instant fat makers.  The more you do the faster it goes, but small changes over time will make a difference.

    The holiday season is coming up- it's just an assault on any diet.  Try to diet every day except THE day, like Thanksiving Day and Christmas Day.  For the other parties, eat before you go, bring a low cal dish you can eat, drink lots of water, maybe have 1 small portion of each thing you really crave, never seconds, never two and for each party try to make at least one big exercise type thing.

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    Rachel, Ibuprophen, Aleve (naproxen), asprin and any other NSAIDs go through the kidneys. Tylenol (acetaminophen) goes through the liver and doesn't pose a problem for the kidneys. It is the one I've been told I can use. I preferred using aspirin in the good old days because the pills are smaller than tylenol and I'm not a great pill swallower. I've found the Tylenol cool caplets go down pretty easily.

    Zometa does also list renal failure as a rare side effect.  I don't think that this means that people shouldn't try it but creatinine should be monitored while on to check how the kidneys are coping. My nephrologist also mentioned that for IV bisphosphonates like IV zometa, the risk increases with shorter infusion time. If you get it, you might ask for a 45 minute infusion time rather than 15 minute.

    Boniva (ibandronate) is the one arm of the trial that doesn't list kidney problems in its side effects. It's rare but serious category is stomach ulcers and complications of reflux.

    Also, the doses on the clinical trial are higher than the doses when bisphosponates are given for bone loss. For example, the clinical trial zometa arm starts out with zometa infusions once a month for the first 6 months and then goes to every 3 months when the usual dose for osteoporosis is once every 6 months. Higher doses makes the risk of kidney problems greater. For Boniva, the trial gives the pills daily when it is given monthly for osteoporosis.

    Anyway, I'm not suggesting that most people would have the problem I had on it. Just if you try it, stay away from NSAIDs and make sure they test your creatinine levels from time to time to keep an eye on your kidneys.

    I was also having occasional muscle cramps and some diarrhea both of which are on the less likely side effects list for Clodronate (the muscle cramps is only on the Clodronate list, not the other two). A couple of times I woke up with an excruciatingly painful muscle cramp (and you guys know I'm not a complainer about pain so when I say it hurt, it really really hurt). So I'm not sorry to say goodbye to Clodronate.

    More good news is that I've gotten the results of the urine test she had me take and they all look good which means that the effect on my kidneys is probably still reversable by stopping the medicine.

    And in 6 weeks I get my last Herceptin infusion which means I'll be done with breast cancer treatment and ready to get my port out.

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    Wow thank you so much blue!!! Another good reason to have the infusion go slow, everyone says they have less bone pain and flu like effects with a slow infusion.  I wonder if I could read a book and/or be on the computer while I am being infused like a strong tea bag.

    can you go on the Zometa?

    Again, many thanks and I am sorry for the trouble you endured.  I am sure that it helped you though!   

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    I love to substitute non-fat plain yogurt for sour cream too. It tastes as good or better to me on my baked potato. When buying a lowfat or non-fat product, I read the labels to see how much they had to doctor it up to do that. In some cases, they add a lot of non-pronoucables and I try to avoid those. The non-fat plain yogurt is still real food - milk and cultures. One brand I get has pectin added to those.

    I sometimes make yogurt cheese by putting the yogurt in a coffee filter for 24 hours to drain the whey out and it can be used in place of cream cheese. 

    I'm working on an avatar on that site, but I have trouble figuring out which features to use. I need to sit in front of a mirror with my laptop I guess. And I can't figure out which hair color to use for my silver and brown mix.

  • Mary22
    Mary22 Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2009

    Hello ladies, Blue great info, since I may have to start Zometa.

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    Rachel, Yes, you can read or use your laptop while getting your infusion.  I always brought my laptop to my chemo and Herceptin infusions. They even had a power strip available for me to plug in which I used during chemo. The first chemo was about 6 hours and the ones after were about 4 hours. When I go for Herceptin, I don't bother to bring my power cord because that has been 90 minutes. Now they have decided to try speeding up the Herceptin infusions for people who aren't having side effects at 90 minutes. I only have 3 more, but they will be pretty short.

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    Mary- I plan to start Zometa in January- I wonder if there is any way we can do it together- we sure as hell can yak for 45 minutes!!!!!! I'll be a Sloan Kettering in NYC.  Maybe Zometa and then we can go shop the January sales???

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    Here is as close as I was able to come on that Madmanyourself site. I don't think I'm in any danger of running into someone and hearing "you must be bluedasher" from the resemblence. They didn't have enough choices for that. They had some pretty wierd noses.

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009

    Nice one  blue!

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2009

    I had my 3 month follow up with the rads onc today. We agreed that everything looks fine. That breast is still a bit pinker than the other one - like it has a bit more blood flow making it a bit flushed but that's okay. It is a bit bigger too but I only notice the differences if I stand in the mirror looking at them. They work fine under clothes and in bed. He said that I don't need schedule any further visits with him though if I had any problem I could call and they should usually be able to get me in within a day.

    One more step toward being done. I'm finding that I'm really in count down mode - looking forward to getting my port taken out and wondering when we will be able to get that scheduled.

  • Mary22
    Mary22 Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2009

    Ok I did it, I scheduled my first post bc mammogram and gyno appt. I go in Oct!!!!

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Member Posts: 1,386
    edited August 2009
  • TorchSong
    TorchSong Member Posts: 348
    edited August 2009

    Hi all!

    I don't really have pain anymore in my breast, but there's still some numbness in the underarm area. Also, the breast itself feels...well, rubbery and stiff. I'm guessing that's from the radiation, because it's nowhere near the lumpectomy site. I'll be seeing the rad onc next week for the 4 month (should hve been 3 but with holidays etc...) follow-up, I'll ask him then.

    My port removal site is taking forever to heal, but then my skin is very fair and takes a while to heal. I'm a bit self-conscious about the scars and the skin discoloration from the radiation, too...

    And my good news--I'm dating! It feels soooo good! She's wonderful (of course) and very supportive. We are taking things very slowly (not just for my self-consciousness, it's for both of us, she has reasons too) and it just generally feels good and comfortable. She's charming and smart and sexy and yes, I'm feeling fairly smitten. ;-)

    Totally random question--when did you/will you have your first mammo after treatment? I'm thinking that it's about time for me to get one--I had one last October when I thought I might be in a clinical trial, but it wasn't my "official" mammo... Blue, was yours at the regularly scheduled time? Guess it's something to ask the med onc in a couple weeks...

  • BooBee
    BooBee Member Posts: 860
    edited August 2009

    Hey Martha, congradulations. 

    I have good news too.  My oldest daughter told us that my youngest daughter's boyfriend is going to propose to her.  I'm so exited and I can't tell anyone.

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