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  • KAK
    KAK Posts: 1,679
    edited January 2009

    Ace, I'm sorry you're having trouble with the antidepressant switch.  I did, too, until I was on enough of the new stuff (Effexor) & then I've been fine since.  So, good luck.  See if you can get some sunshine, too.  Winter is not the best time of year to have to be futzing around with these meds!!

    P.S. How's the boyfriend???

  • PSK07
    PSK07 Posts: 781
    edited January 2009

    Well, I started with the Tamoxifen on Saturday evening. Quite the selection of pills - Tamoxifen, Effexor (75mg), Vitamin D, Calcium every night. The Effexor tastes nasty, nasty, nasty. I'm allowed to take 150mg, but I'll wait and see how the Tamoxifen affects me before I add it.

    3 down, 1,823 to go :)

  • KAK
    KAK Posts: 1,679
    edited January 2009

    Pam, isn't that Effexor bitter stuff????  I have to take it with something that really covers the taste like apple juice or even yogurt or something.  Yick! 

    Well, it's symbolic of the whole bitter pill we have to swallow dealing with this damn dx.  I don't know if any of you ever came across AlaskaDeb, but she was a lovely, funny presence on the forum & she just died of this friggin' disease (brain mets). 

    So, I guess we can swallow some pills if it keeps us alive.

  • bluegems
    bluegems Posts: 733
    edited January 2009

    My Effexor (32.5mg) comes in a capsule no taste. I wonder if you could get in that dosage and just take 2. My onc said I could up it to 75 w/out consulting her, but anything above that and I would need to see her. I also found taking the Effexor in the morning worked better for me, as long as I eat and take it an hour before I need to be fully human.

    I've got to admit the meds keep me eating. Must have food with Effexor and the Vit D, so I space the Vit D at breakfast and dinner. I'm one of the "lucky" ones who has the lack of appetite and weight loss issue. Although the waist is beginning to spread back.........Frown since being on the tamoxifen.

    But, I intend to be around for my baby granddaughter's children, so I keep plugging along.

  • priz47
    priz47 Posts: 470
    edited January 2009

    Can anyone tell me about Effexor? I have been on Tamoxifen for one month and my onc gave me a script for Effexor yesterday to help with hot flashes and night sweats. Should I take it at night or in the morning? I am to start at 37.5 mg and if it works,call her back to up it. I am worried, another drug, more side effects. i heard it can increase your blood pressure and I already take blood pressure meds. How much tonic water do people drink for the leg cramps? Thanks!

    D

  • PSK07
    PSK07 Posts: 781
    edited January 2009

    I think I'm stuck with the nasty-tasting Effexor. It's the generic and the only one the pharmacy has in stock. My insurance likes to pay for larger pills and have me cut them in half if necessary rather than take smaller ones. (You're right Kathi - it is a bitter pill to swallow :) )

    The scrip has me taking 75mg at night, and if I want to up the dosage I'd take the other one in the morning/12 hours later.  In my case, I was on 150mg of Zoloft so my doc is allowing me to figure out where I feel best.  So far it's ok, but it's still early days and who knows how the Tamox. will affect me.

    Kathi - the thing with Deb really knocked me for a loop. While I appreciate women doing what they feel is best with their lives and their health, I cannot imagine not doing everything I can to keep my cancer b***h at bay. When I think of all that Deb did to keep herself going....

  • plainjane64
    plainjane64 Posts: 735
    edited February 2009

    Wow, bluegems, thanks for setting me straight on that.  Good for you! 

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Posts: 793
    edited February 2009

    Im finally back on the group - I am 3 weeks post hysterectomy and started Femara last Saturday. Ive noticed a few warm flushes similar to some I had during chemo but nothing else so far.

    Rose47- please PM me and let me know of your alternative treatments/diet/supplements- I am also doing a lot in that area and would love to hear what someone else is doing.

    Kristy 

  • Makratz
    Makratz Posts: 12,678
    edited February 2009

    Happy to hear from you KristyAnn.  I'm glad everything went well for you.  I hope the kids were helping you out!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    I was told today by my bs that Tamoxifen is a Chemotherapy drug. I've just heard hormone therapy used by my oncol. That was news to me!

  • Springtime
    Springtime Posts: 5,355
    edited February 2009

    Rose,

    Well, I guess it's a chemical and it's theraputic??? LOL.

    (Block that out, thinking of Tamoxifen as a chemotherapy drug cannot be a good thing for the psyche!)

    Springtime 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    I  decided awhile back not to take Tamoxifen.

    LOL! Your right Springtime - one would have to block that thought out!

  • Wndalina
    Wndalina Posts: 98
    edited February 2009

    I take Effexor in the morning, if I forget I cannot take it after 3pm or I am up at night and have a hard time sleeping.  That is just me, but I do find I take it in the morning after breakfast - never one to take a pill, ANY pill on an empty stomach.

    I had to put off starting Tamoxifen because of some pretty yucky bacterial infections (colds) and stress at work.  I will start it this week - wasn't a suggestion to cut it in half and take half in the am and half at night when starting?  JoAnn or KAK one of you I thought said that....  Fill me in.

    Funny - I am more scared of the Tamox than I was radiation or surgery - go figure!  Guess the whole menopause like symptoms in my 30's is a apprehensive action! :-)

     Thanks!  I think I will ask to up my Effexor as well as the minimal dose has been great without Tamox...

  • elisabeth
    elisabeth Posts: 255
    edited February 2009

    Hi wendy.  I sure understand being afraid to take Tamoxifen and/or the AIs.  I found this part of the therapy much, much more difficult.  I think it is still really difficult.  I experienced tremendous sadness when I realized that my "primary or acute" care was over that now was when the real battle begins.  We are living with cancer and have to figure out how to live happily, healthfully, even with these side effects and the ridiculous choices or trades we have to make with these drugs.

    I wish you the best and if you come up with a way to lessen your fears or ways that make this easier please let me know.  E 

  • Wndalina
    Wndalina Posts: 98
    edited February 2009

    Today I bit the bullet, or rather swallowed the pill.  I cut it in half and took half in the mornig iwht my effexor and the other half tonight.  Feels like I should have had a ritual to start it.  My hubby was happy - he was getting frustrated that I hadn't started it yet.  So I have left the station, let's see where the train takes me on the journey.  All Aboard!

  • Makratz
    Makratz Posts: 12,678
    edited February 2009

    Good for you Wndalina!  You can do it!

  • KAK
    KAK Posts: 1,679
    edited February 2009

    Hi, all.  Just posting some good news:  negative mamm today!!!

    Anyone on Effexor start having any trouble with it?  I think it's started making me nauseous.  Almost every time I take it now I feel like I'm going to hurl for about an hour afterwards.  I'm thinking of trying something else.

  • Makratz
    Makratz Posts: 12,678
    edited February 2009

    Kak,

    Congrats to you! It must be such a relief!  Have a great weekend.

    I spoke to my BS today and she told me not to worry about the calicifications, that I should have another mam in 6 months.  I meet with her in March as well and I think I may suggest an MRI since the calificiations are freaking me out.  Prior to my finding my lump last summer, I had a mam that showed nothing!  Within 1 months, I found the lump.

    Happy Valentines Day to all!

  • KAK
    KAK Posts: 1,679
    edited February 2009

    Jeez, Makraz, it's awful to live with any little niggling concern, tho'.  Hope you're okay with all this.

  • bluegems
    bluegems Posts: 733
    edited February 2009

    KAK,

    Make sure you're eating something with it. I had a little nausea for about a week, then some head spinning, but that too subsides. I have to take mine at 530 in order to be good to go at 7

    blue

  • mzmiller99
    mzmiller99 Posts: 894
    edited February 2009

    KAK - Whooppee!!  I guess we take it one mamm at a time now!

    Makraz -  The squeaky wheel gets the MRI!  Good luck with your March appt.

    Susan

  • mzmiller99
    mzmiller99 Posts: 894
    edited February 2009

    This has nothing to do with anything, except I noticed my Dals in the picture. ( I had to put them both down within weeks of each other last year due to failing kidneys.)

     Well, against my better judgement, I called a Dal rescue group in N J today.  No, I don't need another Dalmatian.  But, yes, I really miss my two.  Hmmm, we'll see.  I never asked what the cost was.  Yikes.  That may make up my mind for me! 

  • plakatakr
    plakatakr Posts: 188
    edited February 2009

    I also had a neg mammo today. I do have a lump but it is a seroma and will go away on its own.

  • Wndalina
    Wndalina Posts: 98
    edited February 2009

    Well, I have completed my first week! Yeh!  My Effexor seems to be going well, no problems with me, but I only take it after I have eaten - I never take pills on an empty stomach...  I take my Effexor and 1/2 of my tamox in the am after breakfast and the other half of tamox at bed time.  I can't tell if my sweating at night is a SE this fast or if it is because we have a warm spell in PA.  Guess I will see in a week or so huh?  I wasn't expecting too many SE's since I am still young.  I did start going to a gym this week too - so who knows!  But man is my butt sore! :-)  have a great weekend all!

  • pattyk
    pattyk Posts: 25
    edited February 2009

    I just returned from my 3 month checkup appt with medical oncologist who had ordered a mammo for me.  Mammo came back questionable with a suggestion to come back again in 4-6 months.  Dr. ordered an MRI to be sure everything is okay.  I am terrified they will find something.  Has anyone gone through this?  I know they put us bc patients under a microscope, but I just wanted one appt. with only good news.  Dr. thinks what mammo showed is just breast density due to rads treatment, I sure hope so.  I have been on Arimidex for two months now and am just starting to feel like myself, and now this.  Does it ever end?

  • mzmiller99
    mzmiller99 Posts: 894
    edited February 2009

    Pattyk - Oh crap.  "It is just rads stuff"... that's your mantra until you find out differently!  Crossing my fingers, feet, legs, eyes...whatever else I can cross in hopes that you'll be looking back at this as just a small detour on the road to NED!!

    Susan

  • Makratz
    Makratz Posts: 12,678
    edited February 2009

    PattyK,

    I posted a few days before you feeling the same way.  I just had my 6 month mamo and thought everything was going back to normal.  I was called back 3 times in the same day to redo the mamo.  They found calcifications in both breasts.  They sent me home and told me not to worry.  Yeah, right.  My BS said I need to wait another 6 months and have another mamo and do some comparisons.  I also cannot get an MRI until April since I finished rads the end of Oct.  Apparently you shoud not have MRI's within a certain amount of time after completing rads.  Well, I just wanted to let you know that I know exactly how you feel.  Feel free to PM me any time if you'd like to commiserate.  Best of luck to you.

  • priz47
    priz47 Posts: 470
    edited February 2009

    I had a PET scan  3 weeks ago bcs my tumor markers were quite elevated. Al it showed was an area of 'probable fat necrosis'. My onc felt a 'nodule ' on good side, ordered MRI. loks clear but questionable cysts. So Thursday I go for US to drain cysts and a biopsy of 'nodule'. I had a unilat, chemo and now Tamoxifen. I did find out today I am eligible for the SOFT trial. I need to read more  before making a decision. Life goes on.......

    D

  • priz47
    priz47 Posts: 470
    edited February 2009

    I had a PET scan  3 weeks ago bcs my tumor markers were quite elevated. Al it showed was an area of 'probable fat necrosis'. My onc felt a 'nodule ' on good side, ordered MRI. loks clear but questionable cysts. So Thursday I go for US to drain cysts and a biopsy of 'nodule'. I had a unilat, chemo and now Tamoxifen. I did find out today I am eligible for the SOFT trial. I need to read more  before making a decision. Life goes on.......

    D

  • pattyk
    pattyk Posts: 25
    edited February 2009

    Thanks Makraz and MZmiller99,

    I'm just so sick of the black cloud hanging over all of us.  

     Why am I so scared?  The dr. assured me that even if they find something it would be so early it would be so treatable.  I'm not even sure what I'm afraid of.  I think it's losing control again and that my body has once again betrayed me.  Kind of dramatic, I know, but I really am sooo tired of breast cancer and the worry about breast cancer!

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