Positive Obama thread
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I had to interject here about the "normal" thing.
I saw a card that said on it "The only normal people are people you don't know very well."
That really made me laugh! I think that's so true.
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quick chime-in from an Arkie who did vote to allow adoptions by "other" family groups--was sorry that it didn't pass...
Thought the 60 Minutes interview tonight was very good. The discussions here about filling the cabinet positions are great to read! Curious as to Sec of State comments. Think Hillary would be a good choice, if Bill would stay out of the picture--but, long-term, would that benefit her more than staying in the Senate, should she decide to make another run? Also, think Bill Richardson would be an excellent choice.
Also, very concerned about the bailout and all the discussion and implications...all I can figure out is that nobody really knows exactly where or what caused this financial tailspin; therefore, nobody can really identify and pinpoint a cure...
And, am a tad vexed with DH--we literally lost our financial butts when the dot coms crashed--didn't bail out of the stock market in time......and now, find out that he is buying bits of this and lots of that--and he assures me that if we just sit tight for 5, 10 years--well, we could be sitting in tall cotton! Don't have the heart to tell him that we'll be sitting there in wheel chairs with nursing attendants because by that time, we'll be too damned old to do anything--assuming anything is there!! SIGH!!!!
I bet every animal shelter in the USA is sending pics/descriptions of dogs just now. I hope they do pick a shelter dog as soon as they get "settled in"!!!
huggggsssss to all!!
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Grace- Since Kerry, Clinton and Richardson are in states with democratic governors, I don't think the balance of power is as much an issue in SOS, but that would obviously an issue if a senator coming from a state where there would either be a run off or with a republican gov. Unfortunately people who were against prop 8 don't seem to be united in how they want to approach over turning the unconstitutional amendment. I'm hearing that there is not unity in thinking on boycotts or even protesting the mormon church, both which I support. I do know that there are hundreds of lawyers who have offered free assistance in combatting all the unconstitutional issues surrounding the ammendment and most feel there are several strong arguments that the process violated the constitution, particularly since judges refused to hear the arguments before the election.
LAP- I didn't make it to the protest in philly on saturday. There was a couple vacationing here from San Fran and they were surprised and touched by the number of GLBT and heterosexual people at the protest. I got my rainbow flag in the mail Saturday and it's flying proudly. There are so many problems with boycotting say Utah, because Salt Lake City was primarily firmly behind our cause and there are mormons who support us. 3 Mormon mothers organized a march in favor of GLBT rights and 35,000 came out (of the closet) to walk for us. Fortunately Schwarzenegger has been firm about marriages standing and the (hopefully temporary) ban will not be retroactive. Christian right wingers already have legislation in the works to overturn the recognition of the marriages.
junie- If hillary was SOS, she wouldn't be allowed to fund raise for herself or other candidates. She would be limited by the position if she has short or long term political goals for herself. The SOS job is more about country than self, from what I've been hearing. She has to decide what her long term goals are. Age isn't on her side if she still wants to be president. She's near retirement age as it is, I'm not saying she should or would retire at 65, just that she has no guarantees that in 8 years the job would be hers for the taking or that there wouldn't be another democrat who would jump in to the mix and be more popular. Bill Richardson is my choice. Can you tell me your experiences being from Ark on the rhetoric surrounding preventing families that aren't 1 mother 1 father from adopting? I know your Governor and children's services tried to circumvent the bill from passing? I want to know what the people who think kids would be better off in foster care or group homes were saying. Also, do you know if this effects international adoptions as well? Thanks.
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Best No on 8 protest sign : I CAN SEE DISCRIMINATION FROM MY WINDOW . I might make a t-shirt out of it
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Today I considered a request for us to start ignoring Sarah Palin, in hopes that her flimsy flame would soon burn out. There are so many more big things out ther for us to focus on,
Then I came across this column by Dick Cavett and it was just too pricelss--I had to share. Any of you remember the days of diagramming sentences? Take a look at SPs quote about Africa. 10 extra points if you can diagram it correctly!!
Anne
The Wild Wordsmith of Wasilla
Electronic devices dislike me. There is never a day when something isn't ailing. Three out of these five implements - answering machine, fax machine, printer, phone and electric can-opener - all dropped dead on me in the past few days.
Now something has gone wrong with all three television sets. They will only get Sarah Palin.
I can play a kind of Alaskan roulette. Any random channel clicked on by the remote brings up that eager face, with its continuing assaults on the English Lang.
There she is with Larry and Matt and just about everyone else but Dr. Phil (so far). If she is not yet on "Judge Judy," I suspect it can't be for lack of trying.
What have we done to deserve this, this media blitz that the astute Andrea Mitchell has labeled "The Victory Tour"?
I suppose it will be recorded as among political history's ironies that Palin was brought in to help John McCain. I can't blame feminists who might draw amusement from the fact that a woman managed to both cripple the male she was supposed to help while gleaning an almost Elvis-sized following for herself. Mac loses, Sarah wins big-time was the gist of headlines.
I feel a little sorry for John. He aimed low and missed.
What will ambitious politicos learn from this? That frayed syntax, bungled grammar and run-on sentences that ramble on long after thought has given out completely are a candidate's valuable traits?
And how much more of all that lies in our future if God points her to those open-a-crack doors she refers to? The ones she resolves to splinter and bulldoze her way through upon glimpsing the opportunities, revealed from on high.
What on earth are our underpaid teachers, laboring in the vineyards of education, supposed to tell students about the following sentence, committed by the serial syntax-killer from Wasilla High and gleaned by my colleague Maureen Dowd for preservation for those who ask, "How was it she talked?"
My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was Alaska's investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars.
And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
It's admittedly a rare gift to produce a paragraph in which whole clumps of words could be removed without noticeably affecting the sense, if any.
(A cynic might wonder if Wasilla High School's English and geography departments are draped in black.)
(How many contradictory and lying answers about The Empress's New Clothes have you collected? I've got, so far, only four. Your additional ones welcome.)
Matt Lauer asked her about her daughter's pregnancy and what went into the decision about how to handle it. Her "answer" did not contain the words "daughter," "pregnancy," "what to do about it" or, in fact, any two consecutive words related to Lauer's query.
I saw this as a brief clip, so I don't know whether Lauer recovered sufficiently to follow up, or could only sit there, covered in disbelief. If it happens again, Matt, I bequeath you what I heard myself say once to an elusive guest who stiffed me that way: "Were you able to hear any part of my question?"
At the risk of offending, well, you, for example, I worry about just what it is her hollering fans see in her that makes her the ideal choice to deal with the world's problems: collapsed economies, global warming, hostile enemies and our current and far-flung twin battlefronts, either of which may prove to be the world's second "30 Years' War."
Has there been a poll to see if the Sarah-ites are numbered among that baffling 26 percent of our population who, despite everything, still maintain that President George has done a heckuva job?
A woman in one of Palin's crowds praised her for being "a mom like me ... who thinks the way I do" and added, for ill measure, "That's what I want in the White House." Fine, but in what capacity?
Do this lady's like-minded folk wonder how, say, Jefferson, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, et al (add your own favorites) managed so well without being soccer moms? Without being whizzes in the kitchen, whipping up moose soufflés? Without executing and wounding wolves from the air and without promoting that sad, threadbare hoax - sexual abstinence - as the answer to the sizzling loins of the young?
(In passing, has anyone observed that hunting animals with high-powered guns could only be defined as sport if both sides were equally armed?)
I'd love to hear what you think has caused such an alarming number of our fellow Americans to fall into the Sarah Swoon.
Could the willingness to crown one who seems to have no first language have anything to do with the oft-lamented fact that we seem to be alone among nations in having made the word "intellectual" an insult? (And yet...and yet...we did elect Obama. Surely not despite his brains.)
Sorry about all of the foregoing, as if you didn't get enough of the lady every day in every medium but smoke signals.
I do not wish her ill. But I also don't wish us ill. I hope she continues to find happiness in Alaska.
May I confess that upon first seeing her, I liked her looks? With the sound off, she presents a not uncomely frontal appearance.
But now, as the Brits say, "I'll be glad to see the back of her."
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Amy,
I love your Tee shirt idea. Do it.
I can't help but feel this issue is our next "civil rights" battle. And I'll bet $$ that in twenty years (maybe less) we'll have a gay president. Well, maybe not twenty. But in my grandkids' lifetime, it will happen, and they'll wonder what the fuss was all about. But our generation needs to lay the groundwork.
Anne
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I agree with you Anne. I hope we will fight this civil rights battle and win--putting an end to the lies and myths about gays and lesbians! I hope that the 70% of African American voters who voted for Barack in CA can be persuaded to see that the lives of gay community members are facing discrimination (that looks differently) that in another form they have been fighting, and still continue to fight in areas of this country--and will put the christian right ideology aside, and vote to support another group of people in this country who continue to fight discrimination.
And the fact that many heteros are coming out to protest--either on a gov't building steps or withholding from their wallet--that enough transparency exists, and with the ruling of Supreme Court--this will be the last time we have to politically deal with this matter.
Another point is that even if civil unions are "granted" to gays instead of marriage, the gay couple will still not receive all the benefits of married couples. From what I understand (and I may be wrong), many working gay couples do not have all the benefits that their married counterparts receive. Some will say that is not true--but again we are living in a country that continues to use covert racism and discrimination in order for one group to use other groups in order to elevate themselves in our society. We have a lot of work to do to end our covert behavior. Granted some is out of ignorance and perhaps not covert, but heck isn't it about time all this subterfuge was stopped?
As far as the boycott (monetary), many gay couples have far more discretionary income than hetero couples. At least in our area that is the case. Those who do have access to spending more, do so, and by withholding that spending, this will put a real dent in small to large businesses. I was reminded of that, by the remark made earlier about the cancellation of weddings--and the businesses that will be affected. Many go on more elaborate/expensive vacations and purchase a substantial home, etc.
I understand that a group from Arizona came to CA to help organize the support for Prop 8. I think the fight for and against Prop 8 should have been fought by Californians only. It affects our state and our citizens.
Amy--yes love the Tshirt idea!
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grace- from what I understand, the right/wrong used that Barack said he supported civil unions rather than marriage to say that Barack supported 8, when he said he did not support the amendment. That horrible biased Rick Warren userd what Obama said to give out misinformation about Obama's stance and directed that to the black community. We did a very poor job of advocating in the black community. If blacks realized that the wording in prop 8 and the snow job from its supporters--- you know, the end of the world as we know it, was almost exactly the same as loving v virginia which eventually got interracial marriage bans abolished and gave marital rights to all heterosexuals. I didn't realize the wording was so similar. The problem isn't the black community, it is getting the right message out there. Interestingly, NY is using Conn's open policy as a reason they should get marriage rights, because of the loss of business in these troubling times. Maybe bad economics will trump gay prejudice too.
Anne- your point is well taken. I agree it's a good policy, but for me one that's been hard to ignore because of the idiocracy of her continuing behavior. I post about her to vent my frustrations that more intelligent and capable women aren't being given their just dues in the republican party. I will think more about how I can do both~!
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Anne, always enjoy reading Mr. Cavett. That was some "sentence." Palin obviously suffers from disorganized thinking, which is a lot worse than mere bad grammar.
Amy, great teeshirt idea! I hope the protestors keep things peaceful and non-confrontational, though I understand their anger and frustration.
Grace, you're right about the limited benefits. It's my understanding that citizenship can't be granted through civil unions and surviving spouses can't collect social security benefits. And they can't file jointly on their federal taxes. Another area that is fuzzy is health insurance coverage. Right now, I guess, private companies aren't legally obligated to recognize civil unions as far as offering extended health coverage goes.
I think legalized gay prejudice will continue as long as people believe that homosexuality is a choice. If the medical/science community came out and established, once and for all, that people are innately straight or gay, and that it's not something one can will away, then states couldn't legally justify discrimination. It won't stop homophobia, but it will make it a lot harder to use the justice system to discriminate.
Enjoyed the 60 Minutes interview. You could tell how committed they are to their kids, and to making sure they stay grounded. Wouldn't it be cool to have a play date at the WH?
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weeeeehaaaaaa!
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I feel so blessed to be around to see what has happened in this election. At all the Obama ralleys I went to we always chanted "yes we can" over and over. In the back of my mind I would always be thinking gosh I hope so. To know that I live in a country where the majority was willing to push past the color of ones skin to truly create change makes me proud. Although we have a ways to go, we have come a long way. My 70 yr old mother said she never thought she would live to see this day, and Im glad I got to share it with her. All I have to say about Obama is that greatness has arrived.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Tracey
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Tracey, I was moved last night when Obama talked about his mother-in-law and her reaction to his victory. How she reached for his hand when he was declared the winner. It's great that your mom was able to share the moment with you. I can only imagine how it must have felt between you.
Another thing I was impressed by in the interview was Michelle's comments about helping the D.C. community. Just recognizing that the White House exists in a community is a first! I think Michelle is going to be an exceptional First Lady.
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Yes, me too.
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Michele Obama has style and fashion sense.
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I think purple is a great color on her. She should wear it more often.
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She also has great public speaking skills which is important as a first lady.
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i think president obama thinks she is hot!:)
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Hi to all. Popping in and marking my spot. Thank goodness I can come here and catch up on all the news. Missed Obama on 60 minutes. Laura...cool picture....it's nice! Gotta go.
Lovin Obama more each day.
Nicki
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Amy,
I wasn't suggesting that the black community in CA was responsible for prop 8 passing, rather that the black community is one of many communities that have a hard time with this issue--the hispanic/latino communities also; and I believe it is tied to religion ideology in a big way.
I was talking to my SIL and her partner (who were legally married last spring); and they feel that so many of us were working to get Obama elected that prop 8 wasn't really in our radar until it was too late. There was some complacency of supporters and members of the gay community--we just believed that it couldn't possibly pass because the courts had already ruled. Some of us even believed that the courts would stop it from even coming to a vote. I will be working with my SIL and her wife to make sure this prop becomes null and void in some way!
The interview last night w/Obamas was terrific. He is really clear in what he says and what he will say about picking his cabinet. It's interesting how the reporters and the media are continually trying to talk about breaking news on cabinet choices--and yet they are just as in the dark as all of us are. I think Barack is handling this in a very firm, intelligent manner; and he will make known his choices when the time comes. The media can try to make something out of nothing, but it is getting a little silly!
Finally we have someone who is deliberate, intelligent, level-headed and inclusive. I believe he will make important changes in DC and our federal government. He has really taken on a huge job--that he would not have if Bush had behaved with any ethics, morals, and smarts. What a shame so many are barely able to keep heads above water because of how Bush governed for the past 8 years. There are so many of us putting ourselves behind Obama and getting involved in as many ways as we can. Hopefully we can unite as a country and eliminate this liberal/conservative, red/blue states, democrat/republican--and come together as one people. I have high hopes!
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Nicki, Here's the interview, if you want to watch it online:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml?tag=rightRail;rightRailInner
Grace, I agree with you regarding the silliness of the media. They're practically stalking Obama now, reporting on his every move like he was Britney Spears coming out of rehab. I can understand why he's lamenting his loss of anonymity.
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grace- I know better than to suggest you blamed the black community, although there are some who misunderstand the numbers (and you'd be the last person I'd ever suspect of that). How's this?
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I almost forgot, Anna Quindlen has a great opinion piece on the last page of the newest Newsweek (with Obama/lincoln theme) and she details more about Loving v. Virginia if anyone is interested in that kind of thing, including a quote from the now 90 year old Mildren Loving, who died in May of this year. "all americans, no matter what their races, no matter what their sex, no matter what their sexual orientation should be free to marry. That's what Loving and loving are all about."
sorry for the large print.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/169157
THE LAST WORD
Anna Quindlen
The Loving Decision Same-sex marriage was beaten back at the ballot box. Now here's a history lesson on why victory is inevitable in the long run.One of my favorite Supreme Court cases is Loving v. Virginia, and not just because it has a name that would delight any novelist. It's because it reminds me, when I'm downhearted, of the truth of the sentiment at the end of "Angels in America," Tony Kushner's brilliant play: "The world only spins forward."Here are the facts of the case, and if they leave you breathless with disbelief and rage it only proves Kushner's point, and mine: Mildred Jeter and Richard Loving got married in Washington, D.C. They went home to Virginia, there to be rousted out of their bed one night by police and charged with a felony. The felony was that Mildred was black and Richard was white and they were therefore guilty of miscegenation, which is a $10 word for bigotry. Virginia, like a number of other states, considered cross-racial matrimony a crime at the time.It turned out that it wasn't just the state that hated the idea of black people marrying white people. God was onboard, too, according to the trial judge, who wrote, "The fact that He separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." But the Supreme Court, which eventually heard the case, passed over the Almighty for the Constitution, which luckily has an equal-protection clause. "Marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man," the unanimous opinion striking down the couple's conviction said, "fundamental to our very existence and survival."That was in 1967.Fast-forward to Election Day 2008, and a flurry of state ballot propositions to outlaw gay marriage, all of which were successful. This is the latest wedge issue of the good-old-days crowd, supplanting abortion and immigration. They really put their backs into it this time around, galvanized by court decisions in three states ruling that it is discriminatory not to extend the right to marry to gay men and lesbians.The most high-profile of those rulings, and the most high-profile ballot proposal, came in California. A state court gave its imprimatur to same-sex marriage in June; the electorate reversed that decision on Nov. 4 with the passage of Proposition 8, which defines marriage as only between a man and a woman. The opponents of gay marriage will tell you that the people have spoken. It's truer to say that money talks. The Mormons donated millions to the anti effort; the Knights of Columbus did, too. Like the judge who ruled in the Loving case, they said they were doing God's bidding. When I was a small child I always used to picture God on a cloud, with a beard. Now I picture God saying, "Why does all the worst stuff get done in my name?"Just informationally, this is how things are going to go from here on in: two steps forward, one step back. Courts will continue to rule in some jurisdictions that there is no good reason to forbid same-sex couples from marrying. Legislatures in two states, New York and New Jersey, could pass a measure guaranteeing the right to matrimony to all, and both states have governors who have said they would sign such legislation.Opponents will scream that the issue should be put to the people, as it was in Arizona, Florida and California. (Arkansas had a different sort of measure, forbidding unmarried couples from adopting or serving as foster parents. This will undoubtedly have the effect of leaving more kids without stable homes. For shame.) Of course if the issue in Loving had been put to the people, there is no doubt that many would have been delighted to make racial intermarriage a crime. That's why God invented courts.The world only spins forward."I think the day will come when the lesbian and gay community will have its own Loving v. Virginia," says David Buckel, the Marriage Project director for Lambda Legal.Yes, and then the past will seem as preposterous and mean-spirited as the events leading up to the Loving decision do today. After all, this is about one of the most powerful forces for good on earth, the determination of two human beings to tether their lives forever. The pitch of the opposition this year spoke to how far we have already come-the states in which civil unions and domestic partnerships are recognized, the families in which gay partners are welcome and beloved.The antis argued that churches could be forced to perform same-sex unions, when any divorced Roman Catholic can tell you that the clergy refuse to officiate whenever they see fit. They argued that the purpose of same-sex marriage was the indoctrination of children, a popular talking point that has no basis in reality. As Ellen DeGeneres, who was married several months ago to the lovely Portia de Rossi (great dress, girl), said about being shaped by the orientation of those around you, "I was raised by two heterosexuals. I was surrounded by heterosexuals. Just everywhere I looked: heterosexuals. They did not influence me." As for the notion that allowing gay men and lesbians to marry will destroy conventional marriage, I have found heterosexuals perfectly willing to do that themselves.The last word here goes to an authority on battling connubial bigotry. On the anniversary of the Loving decision last year, the bride wore tolerance. Mildred Loving, mother and grandmother, who once had cops burst into her bedroom because she was sleeping with her own husband, was quoted in a rare public statement saying she believed all Americans, "no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry." She concluded, "That's what Loving, and loving, are all about."© 2008
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Can't agree with you more about Michelle Obama's positive qualities....in fact, I'm already wondering if she might run when her husband is done with two terms....Such a strong lady, you could hook her up to an ox team...she's the power behind the man....!!!
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We are strong, hear us roar! Behind every man, there is a powerful and strong woman. I do believe that!
I was also wondering, since the Mormons put up so much money to get Prop 8 passed if they still believe in having more than one wife? I don't like what happened in California. Nope, not one bit.
OK - off to another busy work day.
Nicki
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Mormons haven't believed in more than wife in over a century, but the leaders seem to believe they can buy discrimination.
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BO appointed Rahm as COS & is bringing back Ms. Albright to help with the transition. Seems like all the Clinton faves ... well, except forvthat heavy set intern.
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There were good people and good ideas in that administration. And these people are very loyal to Obama, which is what he needs. Who wouldn't want to be a part of this historic transition and WHite House?
Anne
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Anne, check you sense of humor button...it is a joke.
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Hi everyone, Bar WAVES to everyone:) I've missed posting here.
I started my first day of of Neupogen November 9th and the first injection knocked me for a loop. I developed constant bone pain that night, accompanied 24/7 regurgitation and nausea for 3 days and no help from my ONC.YIKES! I'm much better now, though I'm not looking forward to my next Neupogen series.
I'm So So happy with Obama's election and so so unhappy with what happened in CA. I hope the unrest and protests continue; That's one way to keep people's attention focused on this unjust discriminatory behavior. When I lived in CA, I voted on many of their propositions, and I'm well acquainted with what just happened there. We rolled property taxes back to 1% of the home price many years ago and I think education suffered more than anyone ever imagined. I have been reading opinions pro and con and hope the various legal measure will work...though it's hard to nullify an proposition.
I like it that Obama wants some of President Clinton's people to work in his new administration. President Clinton's years were good for the country economically and perhaps if he had been able to hand over the reins to Al Gore we wouldn't be in this mess.
.President Clinton left us with 22 million jobs, a budget surplus...which he hoped we would keep for a rainy day...9/11 anyone... and a 5 trillion dollar debt. We now have a 10 trillion $ + debt, a half billion $ + deficit, 1 million+ jobs lost, and a complete collapse of the financial markets with a deepening recession. I still can't believe that all the Wall Street investment banks are GONE. They were here my entire life. I passed Lehman Brothers so many times...Unbelievable.
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