The Respectfully Republican Conversation

Moody,

Welcome, and I do think your correct.  The guy would have arrested, now that I think about it. 

Another thing that needs to happen.  Barney Frank and the role he played in keeping everyone invested in Freddie and Fannie should really be investigated.  Everyone of them who was suppose to be on the oversight committee should be investigated.

Donna, I can't speak for the McCain supporters, but as a Canadian I can tell them that they wouldn't be a whole lot better off if they came to Canada if Obama is elected.  That's the problem for the rest of us these days - whatever the U.S. does affects us all.  So if Obama messes up the economy more and does something to mess up the Middle East (or if someone or some other country just decides to "test" him), we'll probably feel it as much here as you do in the U.S..  On the other hand, you'd be okay if McCain is elected and you flee to Canada (or Western Europe).  His plans are more likely to help the economy and build stability in the Middle East.  Canada and Western Europe would benefit from that.  Ah, I'm forgetting....  one benefit that you all would get in coming here, regardless of who is elected, is universal heathcare. That's something that neither of your candidates is planning to implement. 

Shirley, I have to say that I'm a bit upset.  I was the original troll on the Obama thread.  And now it seems that I've lost the title to you.  I feel sad about that.  But I suppose I only have myself to blame. I guess I gave up the title by refusing to read the Obama thread.  It's not that I wouldn't be happy to post there and annoy some of them (and why it is that facts annoy them so much?) but there is only so much toxicity and hatefulness that I'm willing to subject myself to, and unfortunately I more than filled my quota in the short time that I did spend on that thread.   So, Shirley, it is over to you then.  Do me proud.  

Edited to add:  Moody, you need to check your numbers.  BC mortality rates vary by country but there are several European countries with lower rates than the U.S..  Canada, as I recall, has about the same rate as the U.S. (within a couple of decimal points, I believe).  As for cancer deaths overall, many countries have lower death rates than the U.S..  And Canadians, both men and women, have a longer life expectancy than Americans. 

Beesie, I don't know how often I will make you proud because I normally do not read a whole lot over there.  Sometimes I skim the posts.  Nothing new.  Just the same ole, same ole.  Rather boring. 

It happens to be that we are not trolls.  We are a member of this board.  If I were a real meanie I'd PM the mods and ask them to read some of their posts and ours.  But I don't believe in wasting the mod's time, plus I don't want our threads removed.  When I was on another forum things would get heated, someone would get angry, mods were notified, and the whole darn thread was either locked or deleted.  I hated that.  Then I'd wonder what the heck happened.  So, I will try to be mature about it and let them rant, rave, giggle, call names, anthing they want to do.  I'm pretty thicked skinned.

I certainly hope no one feels chased out of their country because they don't like whomever is chosen to lead this nation.  I'm still waiting for Alex Baldwin to leave.  Isn't he the one who promised he'd leave if Bush was voted in again?  We have a great country unless we let some of the idiots ruin it for us.  I hope there will be an uprising, marches whatever if Congress tries to screw around with 401Ks.

Your troll buddy,

Shirley

I'm sorry that was s'pose to say thank God I'm home at last, keep getting that confused, Tv at hotel doesn't get fox, watched too much CNN

I think I'm getting a better handle on why McCain is taking so much time in PA.

First of all, I remember reading that Obama smugly said he'll take the offense in States that are traditionally red, making John spend too much time in them to defend them.

Instead there seems to be a little weakness showing in PA for Obama, so McCain is doing to Obama what Obama wanted to do to him.  I love it.  So instead, Obama is spending more time in PA then he wanted to do to defend his position in a traditionally blue State.

Through door knocking they found this:

"McCain's political director, Mike DuHaime, said that the campaign, which operates a "Democrats for McCain" headquarters in Scranton, has detected greater unease with Obama among Democrats as part of the McCain campaign's direct contact with voters - in phone calls and door knocks - than is evident in media surveys showing sizable leads for Obama".

And there we have it.

Ibc, it's good to read your home and comfy.  I can't wait till Cam can get online to tell us all.

Well, the kind soul who called for a nicer tone in the other thread also seriously insulted Dems big time in his or her first post to the thread. That pretty much defines a troll, no?

I just hope my name isn't ruined by other people PMing their "friends" and letting them know how awful trolls are.  I think I'll start my own thread after this election..SUBJECT:  I AM NOT A MONSTER!  LOL  Yep, some of us may have said a couple of things we wished we wouldn't have, but I can show you much more comments that come from a different thread (<---------------------------------).  Women calling women vaginas (and laughing about it and going along with it) are sexist....I don't care HOW you try to explain why you use Vagina. There's no excuse for it just as there is no excuse for using racist terms.  It insults ME.  I should feel sorry for women like that.

From my email.  Makes sense to those who do not understand Obama's plan.  

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept.

He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Beesie,

You are absolutely right!  I did go back and recheck my numbers and this is what I found:

According to a 2005 European Society for Medical Oncology there were 275,100 diagnosed breast cancer and 88,400 deaths from breast cancer.  This is 68% survival and 32% death rate.  I was looking at the "overall" cancer diagnosis/death rates in Europe which is 2,886,800 cancer diagnosis and 1,711,000 death which means 60% cancer patients die from cancer in Europe. 

Thank you for keeping me honest, although my "dishonesty" was an "honest" mistake.  I do APOLOGIZE for misleading or misinforming anybody.

However, I did find another study done by http://www.breast-cancer-research.com/ and I copy and paste here:

"In the Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) registries in the USA, 5-year survival for localised cases in 1994 was about 97% but was only about 25% for cases with metastatic disease. In developing countries, the differences in survival by stage at diagnosis are also very marked. In Europe, 5-year relative survival rates vary from 83% in Sweden to 61% in Slovakia , and although trends show clear improvement over time, the utility of survival in monitoring patient outcome has been questioned in countries affected by artefactual increases in registrations due to screening."

Slovakia survival rate stinks!

The point is that all of these countries have "Socialized medicine" and USA has kicked their butts in survivors!!!!!

Question is what does Obama Health Plan really say?  Well here is are a few excepts from HIS website (the kicker is you have to scroll ALL the way down to almost bottom to see it!)

(7) FLEXIBILITY FOR STATE PLANS. Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. Under the Obama-Biden plan, states can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.

(5) FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. The federal government and state and local governments play critical roles across the full range of disease prevention and health promotion activities. First, working together, governments at all levels should lead the effort to develop a national and regional strategy for public health and align funding mechanisms to support its implementation.

Okay, so this last sentence can be interpreted a couple of ways.  The problem with Obama is who  knows what he means by "implementing national public health".  If you read all of his health plan it sounds great!  I was real impressed.  Herein lies the problem, noone knows what he is really saying and here is why:

He has stated MORE THAN ONCE he is as "white as his grandmother"  unless of course he is addressing minorities in which case he says "time to put a man of color in the white house".

He said he "doesnt know Bill Ayers"  ok "I served on a board with him" ok "I think he lives down the street" ok " ive been to his house"........

Jeremiah Wright "I dont know him" ok "I went there once to reach out to inner city youth" ok "he was a mentor to me for 20 years"

Islam- " I am a christian" ok "my grandmother was a christian and she raised me" ok "i went to school in Indonesia and studied the Quram" and the talking to George Steponapoulus he said "no they haven't questioned my 'muslim faith'...."I mean my 'christian faith'...."

"No tax raises on people under 250k", ok .."no tax raises on people under 200k" (i guess over 200k you get raised) ok....."no tax raised on under 150k" (now over 150k gets raised)

So your guess is as good as mine as to what he means government implementing national plan for public health."

Shirley, I am still curious about why you think being from Colombia makes Tito non-hispanic. Grateful as he may be to his adoptive country, Hispanic he remains, forever.

LuAnnH, you are a DOLL!!!!  I just had to say that.  Many should read your posts and learn.

I don't post here very much, but I read everyday. I love this thread.

Shirley, I love your encounter at the restaurant. I'll have to keep that in mind. Its just the sort of thing my dh would enjoy also.

Speaking of dh, he sent me an e-mail that he probably got from one of his friends. Here it is:

DID YOU KNOW THIS?

Question:  What is America's first line of missile interceptor defense that
protects the entire United States?


Answer:  49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.



Question:  What is the ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?

Answer:  49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.


Question:  Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense
Battalion of Alaska National Guard?


Answer:  Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska.



Question:  What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on highly classified
military issues, homeland security, and counter terrorism?

Answer:  Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska.


Question:  What U.S. governor has a higher classified security rating than
either candidate of the Democrat Party?


Answer:  Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska.


According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February,
but nobody ever found out.  This is a woman used to keeping secrets.  She
can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.


Now you DO know!





"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of
their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive
the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on
the continent their fathers conquered."

Thomas Jefferson

Played golf today, beautiful day.  Saw a 66 mustang convertable, made me think of the days I wore bell bottoms, now I wear bell tops. 

I looked at a long story I received by e-mail, one thing I found of interest was the statement that two members of Obama's staff were black muslims, one a former bodyguard to Louis Farrahan.  I can not vouch for how true this is.  That is the bad thing because the MSM will not do it's job.  We never know what is rumor or what is hate speech.  It seems that a full Palin like investigation of Obama's past would clear a lot of air.

Obama has always played down his association to LF because of the anti-jewish diatribe.  This even though all of Obama's associations are close to and praise highly LF.

Rosemary - Socialism is not good for the economy. It takes away the incentive to work hard and earn more - so who can defend that. Notice how the numbers he uses keep changing $250,000, $200,000, $150,000, and from the "ones" mouth $75,000 - those making less will get a tax break - yeah right - not long after January 20 we will all have to do some belt tightening and those making more than $42,000 will see their taxes increased (repeal of the Bush tax cuts) if Obama gets elected. 95% cannot get a tax cut because of that 95% about 40% do not pay any income tax - they will get a check! Personally, if I have to pay one cent more in taxes - I will stop donating to charity (take my lead from the "one") - in fact all solicitations that I get I will redirect to the White House!  Then he will tax corporations more so we will all be paying higher prices for everything if we have any money to buy things with!

IBC - whether or not he has black Muslims on his staff makes no difference - it should not matter. What bothers me is his pattern of having some rather radical associations (the rest of us call these people in our lives friends). I think in his first book he says he sought out the Marxist professors at Columbia and chose his friends very carefully (all very left wing, socialists). This raises a red flag - Ayers was not just a guy in his neighborhood, he knew exactly what Rev. Wright spewed in his church, etc.. I think even the MSM is having second thoughts but it may be too late - or they are covering their *ss when after the election people get mad because they were lied to and the media kept things from them - the media can say we reported this or that the week before the election after many people had already cast their votes. 

Saw this posted online:

As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:

1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a fair shake.

2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are too busy for overtime to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.

3. All top management will now be referred to as the government. We will not participate in this pooling experience because the law doesn't apply to us.

4. The government will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard for the good of all.

5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's good to spread the wealth. Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more patriotic.

6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!

If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you may want to rethink your vote on November 4th.

Suz,

I'll keep looking for any article that says Obama's taxing plans are good for economic growth, without it, all the hand-outs in the world won't be good enough.

One lady called the radio station and said she's voting for Obama so she can go to Disneyland.  She figures his hand-out will pay for it all.  Ok, then.  Has anyone heard how much he's going to send people who don't pay any taxes?  I'd hate to upset the lady if her refund isn't enough.  It might only be $100, zap ...there goes those dreams.

No, I'm not going to watch the infomercial.  ABC wasn't asked to show it, so I'll watch that channel instead to give them support.  I guess Stephanopolous' question about Bill Ayers had something to do with it.  Visions of tricky dicky are coming to my mind.   Another one with an enemies list.