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Just read your post, IBC. Good one. Good answers. I have not been over there since I asked a very simple questions. Did they give me an answer or did they ignore me.
I'm sorry you're still in the ER. I should try to keep you busy on the computer..LOL.
It's a very sad day when I ask someone why they're voting for Obama and the answer is: The world doesn't like us because of Bush. C'mon. I need more than that.
It's a sad day when people want Palin's medical records when Obama only released one page of his. His doctor says he's healthy. Palin has disclosed her's..even her five pregnancies. I wonder what Obama has to hide in his medical records that he won't release?
And, I'm most curious as to why he won't release his college transcripts. What was he involved in? Who did he hang with? What were his grades at Columbia? Not that that makes or breaks a president because many "kids" do foolish and playful things when they first go off to college. But, inquiring minds want to know.
Let's see, IBC, what can I find for you to do?
Shirley
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IBC, have folks checked out if Obama's and Ayer's school reform program worked? Did it make the academics in the schools better? Nope. Did Rezko, Obama's friend, do a good job for low income housing? Nope. They're slums.
It absolutely amazes me that stupid questions and stupid articles are asked and written about Sarah Palin, Cindy McCain, John McCain and anyone who the media can find to smear their campaign. People are blind. There's one gal that I cannot remember her name that is an Obama supporter. She's on Fox sometimes. However, she admits that Palin has been slammed by the media. She admits that the media has been very unfair toward the McCain campaign. I hope she's a closet voter and will vote for the republican. I can only hope...LOL
Shirley
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First, would you call the hospital and tell them that providing a WIFI hook up at 11mps only makes people mad, This is like posting with a 120k dial up. I get to cuss five minutes between page changes. Two. keep on keeping on. your passion and knowledge causes me to think. three. tell somebody to add spell check to the reply box, so I don't have to keep proving how dumb I am. Post me back when you have got that done.
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IBCspouse, I need to proof read my crap (oops..is that a cuss word or just a naughty word?) because I make so many mistakes. I sometimes do a spell check.
It's so frustrating when the computer is so slow..LOL We used to have dial up and I didn't know the difference until we got broadband. Mind you, it could be faster, but it's better than nothing. Sometimes it would take 10 minutes to open a file with a big picture someone sent to me. Or, if someone sent me some music it would take almost 30 minutes to open.
Okay, I've got job for you. You can spell and grammar check ALL the posts. Come back here with your corrections.
I'm getting hungary. Is the hospital food any good?
Oh, and you're from Houston. I was born and raised (reared according to my 9th grad speech teacher..he said we weren't "raised" like cows..LOL) in San Antonio. I got married to an Airman when I was turning 19. He was turning 21 just time to legally drink. Times wer so much simpler back then. We lived in a garage that was made into an efficiency apartment. I was really happy. Then we stepped up and moved across town to a one bedroom apartment. I thought I was in heaven. Then, when we moved to N.C. after he got out of the Air Force and we got jobs, we moved into a little furnished one bedroom trailer. Such a simple life. Can't go back.
You said you were 58 (I think). I'm an old lady. I'm 62 and dh is 64. And, IBC, ya couldn't beat the music back then! I finally changed to country when the ugly stuff came out. Now I like all kinds of music..well except for stupid music..head banging stuff. No opra for me unless it's the Grand Ole Opry. LOL Call me a non-elitist.
You have your job cut out for you. If Cam is still sleeping get started doing the spell check and grammar corrections.
Shirley
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Forgot, send me a bunch of commas, periods, and such. It might be fun to use them sometimes
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ibcspouse, my thoughts are with you and Cam.
I don't read the Obama thread - for my sanity and health (who needs high blood pressure?) there are certain types of people that I just won't associate with in my 'real' life and after a while I realized that there is no reason why I should subject myself to those same types of people on this board - but I will add to the answer of Amy's question here:
Why does McCain get a pass? Because we know his record and we know his qualifications . McCain has been in the U.S. Senate since 1986. He was in the House for 4 years before that. So McCain has a 26 year public record. And prior to that.... well, everyone knows what he was doing prior to that. What this all means is that there is no need to question McCain's qualifications or dig into his past - it's all out in the open and it's well known to everyone. People can look at McCain's record, look at his accomplishments, look at the bills he's sponsored and supported, and make their decision. McCain isn't getting a pass; he's running on his track record which is fully available to the public. Barack Obama, on the other hand, has a whopping 4 years in the U.S. Senate and for two of those years he's been busy running for president. So, with such a short legislative record, it is totally fair and understandable that people would ask questions about Obama's qualifications and would want to know what he did in his previous jobs. After all, who in their right mind would elect as President of the United States, the single most powerful position in the world, someone with only 4 years (but more like 2 years since he's been otherwise engaged for the last 2 years) experience, without first digging into this individual's background and qualifications? Who in their right mind.... oh, never mind.
Pam, the Obama thread started up back when Barack was running in the primaries. Today, I can understand - somewhat - why someone who holds strongly Democratic positions might feel that they have no choice but to vote for Obama. Some American friends of mine are very unenthusiasticly casting their ballots for Obama. But back then, I simply couldn't understand why anyone would choose a totally unqualified candidate over a candidate with extensive qualifications and achievements (Clinton, Biden, Edwards, Richardson...). It wasn't an anti-Bush issue then, since all the candidates under consideration were Democrats. And if you think Obama's plans are not feasible today, well back then, he didn't even have any plans. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Just talk of "hope" and "change". A vision for the future, without any detail about what that vision was except that it would involve "change". But even back then, it was impossible to get his supporters to talk about issues or explain why they felt he was the better candidate. They were like love-struck teenagers. "Isn't he so inspiring?" "I saw him at a rally and he looked my way. I got chills!!!" "I shook his hand!!!!" Considering the worldwide significance of this election, it's frightening to think about what's important to some people as they make their decision. And sad too.
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Here ya go, IBC.
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Have fun!
Shirley
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HOWEVER, BEWARE OF APOSTROPHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY HAVE BECOME A PLAGUE !!!
love,
the Grammar Nazi
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Beesie, love your post.
This is why the republicans didn't want John McCain as their presidential nominee.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/records-show-mccain-more-bipartisan/print/ The Washington Times
Monday, September 15, 2008
Records show McCain more bipartisan
Stephen Dinan (Contact)
ANALYSIS:
Sen. John McCain's record of working with Democrats easily outstrips Sen. Barack Obama's efforts with Republicans, according to an analysis by The Washington Times of their legislative records.
Whether looking at bills they have led on or bills they have signed onto, Mr. McCain has reached across the aisle far more frequently and with more members than Mr. Obama since the latter came to the Senate in 2005.
In fact, by several measures, Mr. McCain has been more likely to team up with Democrats than with members of his own party. Democrats made up 55 percent of his political partners over the last two Congresses, including on the tough issues of campaign finance and global warming. For Mr. Obama, Republicans were only 13 percent of his co-sponsors during his time in the Senate, and he had his biggest bipartisan successes on noncontroversial measures, such as issuing a postage stamp in honor of civil rights icon Rosa Parks
With calls for change in Washington dominating the campaign, both Mr. Obama, the Democrats' presidential nominee, and Mr. McCain, his Republican opponent, have claimed the mantle of bipartisanship.
But since 2005, Mr. McCain has led as chief sponsor of 82 bills, on which he had 120 Democratic co-sponsors out of 220 total, for an average of 55 percent. He worked with Democrats on 50 of his bills, and of those, 37 times Democrats outnumber Republicans as co-sponsors.
Mr. Obama, meanwhile, sponsored 120 bills, of which Republicans co-sponsored just 26, and on only five bills did Republicans outnumber Democrats. Mr. Obama gained 522 total Democratic co-sponsors but only 75 Republicans, for an average of 13 percent of his co-sponsors.
An Obama campaign spokesman declined to comment on The Times analysis.
McCain campaign surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham, though, said the numbers expose a difference between the two candidates.
"The number - 55 and 13 - probably shows that one has been more desirous to find common ground than the other. The legislative record of Senator Obama is very thin," said Mr. Graham, South Carolina Republican, who has teamed up with Mr. McCain probably more than any other senator.
The Times study looked at the bills each man introduced as the chief sponsor, and at the bills sponsored by other senators that each man signed onto. The study excluded resolutions and amendments, focusing instead on measures that each man authored and put into the normal legislative process.
Former Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, all independents, were grouped with Democrats because each caucused with Democrats during the time under study.
Bipartisanship is a frequent issue on the campaign trail, with the McCain camp and surrogates such as Mr. Graham arguing the standard is how often someone takes leadership on an issue in defiance of his own party - a measure by which Mr. Obama falls short and Mr. McCain clearly excels.
He even revels in his stances, telling the audience at a values forum at Saddleback Church in California last month his list is extensive: "Climate change, out-of-control spending, torture." He could have added campaign-finance overhaul, immigration, a patients' bill of rights, gun control and tax cuts as other areas on which he's broken with the majority of his party.
At the same forum, Mr. Obama said his major break with Democrats came on congressional ethics, when he sponsored a bill to curb meals and gifts from lobbyists.
In a memo to reporters, his campaign points to bills he worked on that gained near-unanimous support from both parties, including a bill more than a third of the Senate signed onto, sponsored by Sen. Sam Brownback, Kansas Republican, pushing peace initiatives in Sudan, and a bill sponsored by Sen. Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Republican, on charitable contributions that passed by a voice vote in each chamber.
But foremost, his campaign cites his work teaming up in 2006 with Sen. Richard G. Lugar, Indiana Republican, on the Cooperative Proliferation Detection Act, a noncontroversial measure to secure weapons of mass destruction, and with Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, to force the administration to create a searchable database to track federal spending grants.
Speaking to reporters during the Republican National Convention earlier this month Obama aide Robert Gibbs said Mr. Lugar and Mr. Coburn would back up Mr. Obama's bipartisanship claims.
Mr. Lugar's spokesman said the senator is not doing interviews on the subject. Mr. Coburn, in an interview, said Mr. Obama is a good senator to work with, but said there's no comparison to Mr. McCain's long record.
"Barack is a great guy, a nice guy, he's a good friend of mine. He has passed two pieces of legislation since he's been in the Senate - had his name on two," Mr. Coburn said. He praised Mr. Obama's staff for the work they did on the spending grants bill, but he said Mr. Obama hasn't gone head-to-head against his leadership when it mattered: "Where have you seen him challenge the status quo?"
Mr. McCain on the campaign trail cites his own frequent Democratic legislative allies such as Mr. Lieberman, with whom he's worked on gun control and global warming; Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, who was his partner for immigration and patients' rights; Sen. Russell D. Feingold of Wisconsin, who worked with him on campaign finance; and Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, who was the top Democrat on the Indian Affairs Committee when Mr. McCain was chairman.
Mr. Feingold, Mr. Dorgan and Mr. Kennedy didn't respond or declined through spokesmen to talk about the issue. Mr. Lieberman, however, has gone in the opposite direction, endorsing Mr. McCain for office and hitting Mr. Obama for failing to live up to his bipartisan claims.
Mr. Graham said it was unfortunate people weren't recognizing their work with Mr. McCain.
"What you've got now is, you've got some people who are afraid to recognize John's bipartisanship because of the nature of the election," Mr. Graham said.
Mr. Graham has teamed up with Mr. McCain on some of his most contentious bills, including the immigration and campaign-finance fights, and said they both have "the scars to prove" they were in the fights.
"I have experienced the price that's been paid to help John do some difficult things since 2004," he said.
Those fights are part of the reason Mr. McCain had trouble securing the Republican presidential nomination, including winning less than 50 percent of Republican primary voters' support, despite clearing the field less than halfway through the primaries.
The Times analysis found Mr. McCain's most frequent Democratic teammates are Mr. Dorgan, with whom he shared leadership of the Indian Affairs Committee and who co-sponsored 23 of Mr. McCain's bills, and Mr. Lieberman, who signed onto 15 McCain bills.
Mr. Obama's most frequent Republican partners were Mr. Lugar, who co-sponsored nine Obama bills, and Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota Republican, who signed on to eight of Mr. Obama's measures.
The bill on which Mr. McCain attracted the most support in the past few years was his plan to combat greenhouse-gas emissions. That bill garnered 16 co-sponsors, 14 of whom were Democrats, including Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrats' vice-presidential nominee. Mr. Obama himself signed onto another of Mr. McCain's global-warming bills.
Mr. Obama's best successes in attracting co-sponsors came on a bill to boost the union's bargaining power with the Federal Aviation Administration, on which all 38 co-sponsors were Democrats, and a bill to issue a postage stamp honoring Mrs. Parks, which garnered 24 Democrats and 14 Republicans.
The Times study didn't look at voting, but Congressional Quarterly conducts annual studies of senators' voting records.
Over his Senate career, Mr. McCain has voted with the majority of Senate Republicans about 85 percent of the time, while in his three years in the Senate Mr. Obama has voted with his party 97 percent of the time.
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Cam's awake and hungry. She said keep your Clinton's, she saw the Beatles live.
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Daffodil, they are exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!! I love using those. I don't now when to use a semi-colon. Okay, call me stupid, but I've forgotten. I guess I could ask Mr. Google.
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Here's some bipartisan talk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjrSjtdfc_I That was in 2006. On reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSpcxkKlEFA&feature=related
All of these are democrats praising McCain.
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hey i saw Pope John Paul II twice, once up close and have 2 rosaries blessed by him. my husband, 3 kids all have medals that he not only blessed but touched as he did so. even shook my hubs hand. better than obama for dam sure
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I was just adding to your collection:' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' (but I want people to learn how to use them; you almost NEVER use them to form a plural, and the kids don't understand that its, ours, and yours are already possessives.)
We here have already forgotten more than today's kids are ever taught, apparently!
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Heehee, I stood on top of a bus in Vatican Square and Pope John blessed the medal I held in my hand. I had it gold-plated and it's on my charm necklace~~~and I'm Presbyterian!
I met Ted Kennedy in person only once; he was lying on the floor playing with the karoke machine his sister Eunice gave him for his birthday..........
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I feel so stupid, Daffodil. I'm very, very slow..sorta like IBC's computer right now. That apostrophe (IBC's) was used correctly, right? LOL You know what? I'm glad you said that about not using the apostrophes with yours..etc. I've been doing that lately..like her's..like a possessive so that's wrong..right? But "it's" can be it is. You'll have to give me online PM lessons. LOL I've forgotten so much.
Shirley
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You guys will never know what insightful and witty post I am writing that time out on me. In those post every word is spelled correctly and with perfect use of apostrophes.
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Since now I am waiting for Cam to be assigned a room, to be admited, and she is sleeping again, I will give a preliminary answer to the following statement:
Shirley - One thing that Obama has done more impressively than any presdiential candidate in recent history, is he has run his campaign like a finely tuned machine. He has stayed on message, he has stayed clean, and he has campaigned in EVERY state - not just the swing states. Last few elections before this, I could count on one hand the number of campaign commercials I saw in Texas. But when I was in New Mexico on business, it was one ad after another. Obama is getting his message to every voter - not just the ones in a couple of states. I have seen a single McCain ad on television since September, but I have seen Obama ads every day. And it makes me proud to have contributed a few dollars to his campaign
So if I have this right, the one thing he has done is break his faith on his first commitment to the American People, to accept public campaign financing. By lying as his first act, he is able to buy the election. If lying is his greatest deed, your standards are even lower than I thought.
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ibc - Obama never made a commitment to accept public financing. McCain has tried to claim that he did, but all Barack ever said was that he would pursue an agreement with his opponent to use public financing. When he saw how much money he was raising, he decided to forgo public financing. Public financing would have limited Obama to $85 million to spend after the convention, but he has raised $250 in private donations in the last quarter. Tell me McCain wouldn't forgo public financing if he had the fund raising horsepower that Obama has.
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djd,
Obama did, early on in the primaries he said he would, then in debate with Hillary, he said he would sit down with McCain to work out details, he did neither, this is thru factcheck.com. Sen McCain worked with Russ Feingold on Campaign Finance Reform. Since at that time the Republicans had an advantage in hard and soft money, Sen McCain lost a great deal of his base and his support in congress. He and Russ did it because it was right, not because it was popular. He made the commitment early, even when raising millions. Yes I will tell you McCain wouldn't forgo public financing, the money from Republicans was there, It's a difference that would be hard to explain if core values can be replaced by "what works now." This is a reason many fear his Presidency. By the way Obama did not answer when confronted about it in 3rd debate. His campaign made up a "we are doing a new kind of public financing, money from a lot of people"
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djd,
Sorry, I do not need to question your standards or opinions, mine could never stand a close look, I will conceed the fact, that he has run an outstanding campaign.
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Yes, Obama told a fib. He has never denied that fib. McCain's has said it to his face time and again and Obama has never denied it.
IBCspouse I'm not sure who you were replying to in our post, but I'm assuming it's Donna (djd). Obama has never disputed McCain when McCain brings up to Obama, to his face, that he changed his mind about public financing. Of course we all know why. And, it's not unlike Obama to change his mind.
IBC, you know about Joe the Plumber and some government computer being used to checked this American out who dared to ask Obama a tough question, and Obama gave the answer. It's absolutely clear what Obama is planning to do. I betcha that the investigation into who looked up Joe the Plumber on one of those government computers in Ohio will be forgotten..just like all of Obama's acquaintances.
I know you've heard that Obama probably wouldn't be able to get a security pass with all the fellas he's been "involved" in. It's not his involvement as much as his relationships have never really been looked into...like from the press. Joe the Plumber has been vetted well by the press. Palin is still being vetted. Kinda strange, I say.
My husband was transferred to Randolph Air Force Base from Kelly Air Force Place right after we were married..in fact he had to sign in to Randolph the night of our small wedding. Anyway, his security pass had not arrived to Randolph. My husband was in CRYPTO or CRIPTO (spelling?) Each day my husband would dress in those dress blue uniforms and everyday for a week he was sent home. Of course we didn't mind. Think about it. Do you know what it takes to get a security pass? Of course you do.
Hope you are getting some sleep. Let us know what happens. You and Cam are still in my thoughts and prayers.
Shirley
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shirley.
What exactly is sleep.
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After 14 hours in ER we are in a room. Cam is sleeping, I have this super comfortable fold out chair, made out of some of the softest concrete known. She is doing better, and blood pressure came up some, now 90 over 58, Dr not worried about low pressure, just trying to keep her hydrated. The nausea has been tuff.
Shirley
Sorry to step in on Donna's "answer" on what BO has done since it was address to you;
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Wonderful spouse, I just wrote a long post that disappeared as I tried to edit. Sheesh!
Just wanted to double-assure you how much it means to Cam that you are right there, even if you are suffering!! She has it worse, as you helplessly know. Nausea is just the pits!!!
Above, I wasn't correcting anyone's prose or poetry, just commenting that the internet seems to have destroyed the art of clear, concise, and semi-grammatical writing.
Isn't it wonderful how our little laptops can provide so much entertainment, information, and ways to get into trouble??
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Sleep? Well, IBC, I'm going to get me some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's (used the apostrophe, Daffodil to make the "s" stand out..LOL..now we'll all be checking our STUFF..NOT). It's 3:40 AM here and I'm wondering what in the heck am I still doing up. You're one hour behind me.
I didn't mind you responding to Donna. I didn't know she had posted a response to my tiny question. Heck, I need all the help I can get. DAFFODIL, did you hear...see...that? LOL
NITE NITE.
Shirley
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Shirl, that's one of the correct uses of the apostrophe to pluralize. Another is with numerals. i.e. 7's.
Sweet dreams all........
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Obama v. McCain tax proposals:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=309478314104565
"Because Obama's tax credit does not reduce marginal tax rates, it will not benefit the economy. It provides no added incentives for work, savings, investment or business expansion.
McCain proposes to double the personal exemption for each dependent from $3,500 to $7,000, for all families regardless of income. For middle-class workers in the 25% tax bracket, this $3,500 increase would reduce their tax liability by $875 for each child. While this tax cut also does not involve a reduction in marginal tax rates, it will promote working families with children.
But McCain also proposes marginal tax-rate reductions that do promote economic growth and encourage investment. Because America today suffers from the second-highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world, McCain would help restore American competitiveness by reducing the federal corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. This would benefit the middle class and workers by creating new jobs, at better wages, while strengthening the dollar.
It may even raise, rather than reduce, revenues. According to a 2007 study by the Treasury Department, Ireland - with a 12.5% corporate tax rate - raises almost 50% more revenue on a comparative basis than the United States does with a 35% rate.
McCain would also hold the top capital gains tax rate and dividend tax at 15%. Both would provide a much-needed boost for the value of stocks, which are now held by more than two-thirds of all Americans.
McCain further proposes to phase out the alternative minimum tax, which would otherwise burden 25 million middle-class families. This will save middle-class families $2,700 each year on average, an overall middle-class tax cut of $60 billion per year.
McCain's tax plan includes other provisions that would boost our economy, as well, including the expensing of new investment in equipment, machinery and technology.
Obama, by contrast, has proposed to raise marginal tax rates for almost every federal tax - the individual income tax, the capital gains tax, the dividends tax, the payroll tax, the death tax, etc. He would further increase corporate taxes through such measures as the windfall profits tax on oil companies.
These marginal tax rate increases would dramatically discourage savings, investment, business expansion and job creation. Such tax increases would consequently slow the economy even further and reduce jobs and wages for working people and the middle class, while simultaneously weakening the dollar.
Republicans should promote additional middle-class tax cuts through fundamental reform of our confusing, contradictory and confiscatory tax code. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., proposes to allow workers to choose a flatter tax system with a standard deduction of $25,000 for couples ($12,500 for singles), plus a personal deduction of $3,500 per family member (exempting the first $39,000 for a family of four).
A 10% tax rate would then apply to the next $100,000 for couples ($50,000 for singles), with a 25% rate above that. Currently, a 15% tax rate starts at $15,650 for couples ($7,825 for singles), with a 25% rate starting at $63,700 for couples ($31,850 for singles).
Ryan's plan, which McCain has praised, would promote a powerful economic and investment boom, while creating jobs and good wages for millions.
Kemp, a former HUD secretary and congressman, is chairman of Kemp Partners.
Ferrara is director of entitlement and budget policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation, and formerly served in the Reagan White House.
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He can run but he can't hide.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306457496204115
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Hi ladies and gent. Sorry to just barge in here but I just want to say that I too am a conservative and plan to vote for McCain. I also want to post this link for a YouTube video that sent chills up my spine. Keep up the good work with all the info and debates.
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=5_N8VpnsYPc
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