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  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

    That statement confirms it, he's nuts.    Simple solution to this entire mettle testing thing, vote for McCain, international crisis averted.

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    PIP - my dh is not a natural born citizen of the US - we have relatives on every continent - I know that people around the world do not like Bush. But we are not re-electing Bush! John McCain is NO George Bush! I care about other countries - I just don't think they should be telling us who to vote for. I do agree our schools do a pitiful job in teaching our children about the world. My children have gone to school overseas - they learned more in the one year they were there than in many years here. Our media is also to blame - World News Tonight should be renamed US News - there is no news of the rest of the world other than where we have a direct interest (Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan). Even a poor country like Bangladesh has news that covers other parts of the world.

    IBC - praying for good scan results for your wife today.

    Is Joe Biden for real? Why would the world test Obama? The world is in love with Obama LOL! What he said should get him a checkup in a psychiatric ward. And the other side talks about Gov. Palin.  "I've forgotten more about foreign policy than my colleagues know" Isn't that why Obama picked him - looks like questionable judgement. I can see Al Queda testing Obama depending on how he handles things in the Middle East but the rest of the world - they are too mesmerized.

    If you haven't watched them already - for a good laugh watch the videos that I posted above from the Al Smith dinner. They are both funny. McCain looks much more comfortable than Obama though.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Pretty what makes you think that all of us (Americans including those in charge) are not aware of how the world views us?..........we are reminded on a daily basis............our own media plus the world media reminds us every single day almost every single minute.......it's just you can't run a country based on what other people think.........it's not in our best interest...........it shows a sign of weakness..............real strength is doing what you think is best regardless of what anyone thinks............and why would we be concern about what other countries think about us when it is usually those countries that think we are too powerful or arrogant that talk negative about us anyway.........I don't think they have Americas best interests at heart regardless.........Shokk

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    Obama is back to critizing McCain for owning more than one home.  This coming from a man who got his mansion with the help of Tony Rezko, the felon and influence peddler, who helped finance all of Obama's campaigns.  Every time Obama points a finger at McCain, he makes it worse for himself. 

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    Shokk,

    I am starting to feel the heat from the campfire flames! LOL  

    I knew that my opinion would be misconstrued to mean that you should do what the rest of the world wants.  That is not at all what I meant. It sounds like you have more awareness than some, so perhaps my statement doesn't include you.  In Canada, we get news stations from here, America and Britain.  There is a huge difference in what international news gets attention from the American vs the Can/Brit coverage.  I think it would be a real eye opener to a lot of Americans to 'broaden their horizons.' 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Pam the Dixie Chicks were not imprisoned for "her" remarks.........if fact she has written a follow up song concerning her dislike of Bush.........the problem is that they were more of a country band and when it comes to Country music it's best not to say derogatory remarks concerning our President on foreign land......"her" fan base considered her a "traitor"....but she certainly had the right to say whatever she wanted about President Bush  she just has to live with the coincidence of her actions.................if they had been a rock or hip hop band her fans would have celebrated her remarks and she would have instantly become a legend........Pink here I will pull you away from the flames...........I love the Canadians...........after all we get 65% of our oil from you guys.............if it weren't for ya'll we wouldn't be going anywhere........I listen to the bbc all the time............go figure.........I like the accent...........Shokk

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2008

    Shokk, perhaps you've proven PrettyinPink's point that Americans should open their minds and pay attention to what's going on in other parts of the world.  You might be surprised to learn that MANY other democratic countries enjoy the very same freedoms that you espouse -- to name just a few: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, U.K., France, Germany, Japan etc.  Perhaps the one freedom we don't want to "enjoy" is the right of our next-door neighbour to "bear arms" with few or no restrictions.  But one freedom we do enjoy, regardless of our employment or economic status, is the freedom to receive excellent healthcare.  We don't call it socialism -- we call it caring for our fellow man/woman, and we're willing to pay higher taxes to ensure they are indeed cared for.

    Every freedom we have has been hard-fought-for -- especially, as Beesie has pointed out, by Canada's participation in both world wars far, far over and above what our small population warranted.  You might want other countries to stay out of your own affairs (can't blame you for that!), but, as this is a public board, we do have the privilege of telling you about what actually happens in these other countries.

    It's easy to say you shouldn't care what the rest of the world thinks of the U.S., but the fact is that the U.S. does not stand alone.  Think back to Bush's plea to other countries to join the "coalition of the willing"...

    While we non-Americans certainly can't know who should win this election, we all hope -- for your sake and for ours - that it turns out to be the right choice -- for you AND for us.

    Respectfully,

    Linda

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Pam all I have to say to you is "Joe the Plumber"..........Shokk

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    Hmmmm, we don't export 65% of our oil from Canada. I wish we did, then we could borrow from them instead of China:

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Crap Rosemary last year when I checked we were getting about 65% of our oil from Canada but nonetheless Canada supplies us with more imported oil then anyone else..........Linda there is not one person here in the United States regardless if they are a citizen or not, legal or not that cannot walk into any county Hospital and receive excellent medical care and yes Linda as my Republican sisters here know I do spew my opinion but I always welcome others as well........of course America does not stand alone.............we have good friends all over the world...........including Canada..............as far as the right choice of whom wins this election it all depends what your beliefs are...............for me as a Conservative first, a Republican second Obama is just about my worse nightmare......... up and foremost is his stance not only on abortion but his stance on late term abortion and if the baby survives the abortion (it's not to be tended to).......I think that is murder............that is my opinion...........for someone over at the  other thread they think McCain is a bad choice even though he is not a Conservative...........it's all perspective..........Shokk 

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    PIP - I agree with you about the American news. If we watch the news we try to catch the BBC. Otherwise, we read international newspapers online.

    Pam - deregulation of the banks did not get us into this mess. Resistance to regulation by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did. No bad loans - no bad mortgage backed securities.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Listen guys I am really enjoying our conversation.............I have got a bad case of "pink eye" and looking at this screen is killing my eyes.........I have even tried my sunglasses and it's not helping..........by the way I hate cancer...........I am sure we can all agree to that..........of course have never met anyone that likes cancer but anyway Pam I will try and answer your question later.........Joe the Plumber is the guy that told Obama that he wanted to punish him for being successful and Obama made the comment about spreading the wealth around and since then Obama's pole numbers have dropped.............in key areas..........anyway the media has been making Joe's life horrible...........just google it you can read it for yourself...........ok guys everyone have a good night.........later political junkies...........Shokk

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    But isn''t it McCain that put 'Joe' in the spotlight?

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    Just wanted to add that I'm sorry if I sound like I am baiting or criticizing.  I am enjoying the conversation and trying to understand.  I will be visiting family in the States in a few weeks and will be glad that the election will be over so I can do some serious shopping!!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2008

    Shokk, re county hospitals:  If that is the case, why on earth would healthcare be an issue in your election campaign?  And why do we hear so many sad stories about people without insurance owing hundreds and thousands of $$ for medical bills in the U.S.?  Even some of our sisters on this board....

    Cheers,

    Linda

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Ok I'm back and I am sitting in my office with my sunglasses on...............it reminds me of when I was in college and hung over wearing sunglasses in class..............Pink regardless of whom brought it to the media's attention McCain hasn't been going through his tax returns, whether or not he is a "licensed plumber" (means he doesn't belong to the Union), his marital status, implying that he is "only a plumber".........."what plumber makes 250,000.00 a year".......ok I am sure there are plenty of plumbers that make that much............just the same they have been dogging him and he didn't do anything wrong.............Shokk

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    We really didn't suffer from de-regulation as much as we suffered from regulation.  Weird huh?  When we de-regulated it opened the doors for the likes of Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, and Chris Dodd to insist that they offer loans to unworthy borrowers.  They, in a way, regulated them to do it. The banks had to give up asking the simple question of: are you employed.  No money down, and it was a house of cards ready to crumble. 

    Then the dems resisted any regulation that McCain and other republicans were trying to get to end this practice.  The dems, with the help of a few republicans, voted down the bill. 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Linda I never said they didn't get billed.........all I am saying is that you can always get care..........even without insurance............I have ok insurance and I still owe several thousands dollars but I still get some of the best care this country has to offer............I wouldn't want to live anywhere else..........when I first started reading here (bc.org) about 2 years ago there was a lady from Barbados that had been dx with breast cancer and they didn't even have an onc. on the Island to take care of her...............Shokk

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2008

    Pam,

    No need to apologize, just send money.  We're going to get a democrat majority in our Senate and House.  This never bodes well for our Nation to be fiscally sound.  We'll need to borrow.  We have plenty of collateral, we'll use all the democrats homes to cover the loan.  Maybe then they'll think twice about foolish spending.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited October 2008

    Rosemary,

    I think that is a brilliant idea!  I would suggest it for all elected officials, everywhere! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Prettyinpink, I just wanted to make a short respons.  I can't stay here long.  Been doing a lot of reading and researching.

    I personally knew how Canada mourned four us.  So, I want to say THANK YOU.  You ARE our friends.

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Hey, Beesie, I'm glad to see you!

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    I ain't cussing, LuAnn!  Laughing

    Shirley

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited October 2008

    Shokk, I have to disagree respectfully about our health care.  I have a friend that was very poor, she had cancer and got 1 chemo treatment which was way over 1000 dollars, she couldn't pay it so they wouldn't treat her, even if she had had insurance she probably could not have afforded the co-pay.  She died because she could not find the help she needed in time to save her life.

    I also am a McCain girl, I admire him so much and think he will make a change for the better.  He is a strong man and will handle whatever he has to with dignity and class.  Cindy is wonderful, she helps so many.  I think Obama will lead us straight into more trouble.  Palin, I do admire her, she puts on the good ole girl act but she is one smart cookie and she has heart.  My main thing is I do not believe in abortion and can you imagine putting a live baby in a biohazard box and just waiting for it to die, it breaks my heart.

    I also think what we do here in the US affects the whole world in one way or another and I do care what other countries think of us and what we do.

    I don't do political thread much because in the past I have been attacked for having an opinion but I am posting my opinion here because I am at least sincere in how I feel and what I believe.

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited October 2008

    spar,

    I think everyone should be welcome on ALL the boards, and they shouldn't be attacked when they have a different opinion than the rest.  Thanks for posting here.

    I am very concerned about the state of the economy, and I am also a McCain supporter.  I read someplace that MOST people agree that our country will be SAFER if he is elected, but alot of people will STILL vote for Obama.  I don't get it.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2008

    Harley I could not agree with you more about we should be able to post anywhere without being attacked of course we know that isn't the case but nonetheless Sparks I have no idea why your friend was not treated...........I have a close relative that volunteers at Parkland Hospital which is part of University of Texas Southwestern Medical School and Parkland is the county hospital of Dallas.............she told me that anyone that walks through their doors is treated regardless including cancer...........maybe your friend went to a private hospital or it wasn't the public hospital..........she didn't have Medicaid?.........Pam I hope you will join us again.........you did have breast cancer right?.........you have every right to post here.............we may be republicans and regardless of what you may have been led to believe we are not so ignorant to not realize that what happens here in the States  has an impact on our Canadian  friends as well as our amigos to the south of us.............Pretty I hope you will join us again............if Shirley starts cussing at you just tell her to stick a puck in it...........right like  ice hockey.............ok  girls and  Mr. Spouse everyone have a pleasant night............Shokk

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    About Joe the Plumber - we would know nothing about how he does not have a licence and owes back taxes if he had said "Senator Obama - I am so happy that you want to tax people making over $250,000 a year and give that money to those who do not pay taxes. I would someday like to own my own business and feel it would by my patriotic duty to pay higher taxes so that I can spread my wealth around to those who do not work as hard as I do". He would still be on every news program - hailed as a hero - no one would "vet" him. He had the "nerve" to disagree with "the one" and got put through hell.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2008

    Another Canadian here, who really has no opinion, for a change.Surprised .......I am learning a lot though.

  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited October 2008

    Suzfive - I agree with you regarding what poor Joe has gone through.  That is similar to the kind of thing that a communist government does to those who disagree or don't conform to the govt views.  What happened to Joe's (our) amendment rights?  This campaign is not only dirty but out right scary.  I'm afraid if Obama gets elected we will have a dictatorship instead of a  democracy. 

    Hi Blue and Shokk!  

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited October 2008

    Spar2 and Shokk - as to healthcare I think it depends on what part of the country you live in. My neighbor lost her job two years ago and along with it her health insurance. This past summer she started having bad back pain but did not want to go to the doctor because she lacked insurance. The pain finally got so bad she relented and went to see her PMD who took an x-ray and told her she had "arthritis". The pain did not get better - got much worse - so bad that she could hardly walk. I told her she could go to the ER - they could not refuse her treatment (at least not here in Wisconsin). She finally went - of course they were going to give her pain pills and send her home without doing any tests but another neighbor who went with her insisted that they at least do a blood test. The blood test results came back completely abnormal - she was admitted and diagnosed with multiple myeloma. She has been in the hospital for the past six weeks. The hospital helped her to get some high risk insurance through the state (I believes she pays a small amount per month for it). She has gotten radiation, dialysis, chemo. She has the same rad onc that I had and also the same oncology group. She lives with her elderly mother (84) who cannot take care of her alone. She can't go to rehab because she is on dialysis and can't go to a nursing home because she is getting chemo. Not sure how long they will keep her in the hospital. She still cannot walk by herself. She could use everyone's prayers right now.

    I hope that people feel welcome to post here. I think we can all agree to disagree and still be friends. I too realize that what happens here affects others around the world. I care about what others think of us - just don't want them telling me who to vote for.

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