Starting Chemo May 2008
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K, we all had some odd things happend emotionally in the first days/ weeks after chemo ended. It is a little PTS, a little melancholy, a little lack of knowledge as to what it next.
This phase.. post chemo.. up to "normal" has very little written about it, but I am still feeling a little "put out to pasture". I certainly do not want to go back to chemo.. but being "normal" again is scary too.
I read a book called "After Breast Cancer" by Hester Hill Schnipper and it helped.
N
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jen? Isn't Biotene the mouthwash? I am confused I think.
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was supposed to go home yesterday, but today the whole family was gone for softball, so since there was no one to take care of me at home, I get to stay until monday morning.....and it has been pretty restful here, so no worries about having to be in for 4 days, since the food is good, i can convince myself that i am at a special spa........lol
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Leave it to me to spell it wrong lol. Biotin, my local pharmacist recommended it. the bottle says "an important b-vitamin that provides a dietary support for healthy hair and nails. also aids in metabolism of carbs , protein and fats." I went in looking for a chewable prenatal vitamin and she said this one would be better.
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Randie - So glad to see you are doing well!
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Jen,... here is why you got that.... Biotin is necessary for cell growth, the production of fatty acids, and the metabolism of fats and amino acids. It plays a role in the Citric acid cycle, which is the process by which biochemical energy is generated during aerobic respiration. Biotin not only assists in various metabolic reactions, but also helps to transfer carbon dioxide. Biotin is also helpful in maintaining a steady blood sugar level. Biotin is often recommended for strengthening hair and nails. Consequently, it is found in many cosmetic and health products for the hair and skin.
Biotin is widely distributed in a variety of foods, but most often at low concentrations. Estimates are that the typical U.S. diet provides roughly 40 mcg/day. There are only a couple of foods which contain biotin in large amounts, including royal jelly and brewer's yeast. The best natural sources of biotin in human nutrition are swiss chard, tomatoes, romaine lettuce, and carrots. Other great sources include almonds, eggs, onions, cabbage, cucumber, and cauliflower. And good sources includes goat's milk, cow's milk, raspberries, strawberries, halibut, oats, and walnuts. The most important natural sources in feeding nonruminant animals are oilseed meals, alfalfa, and dried yeasts. It is important to note that the biotin content of food varies and can be influenced by factors such as plant variety, season, and yield...
So there you go girls.. your hair growth diet!
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RanD- glad to hear you are doing OK and you will behome soon!
My lower eyelashes fell out this week- I know last Sunday I put some mascara on them and today they were gone! Still have the upper ones and eyebrows are coming back - so what happened to my lower eyelashes?????????
Rads are making me go to bed early too Mary- I think I could go to bed at 8 PM every night if I didnt have things to do- took a nap today and I rarely take naps! Oh well 13 down and 20 to go.
I gotta start a facebook!
Kristy
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Jen,
Can you use the pic frlom my avatar for the class photo?
Kristy
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Kristy ~ yes ma'am I can.. I'll make you peek out somehow lol
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Randie - So happy to see you posting with your usual self!! And good hospital food?! Who knew?!!
Linda - Nicely done run!
Okay, I know there were about half a dozen comments I was going to comment on, but now I'm on another fecking page!!! (You guys have been seriously chatty today!). So, all I've got is "hey!" and my story for the day...
The only thing worse than watching your daughter have a rough time at something, and knowing you can't do anything to help her, is doing it with chemo side effects!!! Today's competition was a bit tough - even tougher than last week's. And then there were the side effects. Nothing like getting up before 7 AM to be naseaous and headachy to start your day off! All I can say is, she doesn't want to quit. She still says it's fun. So we'll keep doing it. But it's pretty rough to watch all of your teammates get something and not get any recognition for what you just did for 3 hours. Oh well. This is probably more my problem than hers, but it is frustrating.
As for me, I'm very tired and hope to feel better tomorrow as it is usually my "turnaround" day. I'm re-thinking starting rads in 4 days...may wait until next week. Yes, call me chicken!!!
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Okay, I remembered a couple of things...
Rock - EYE?! What do you mean, you poked your EYE? A leetle more information, please...
Jen - Adore the photo - mahvelous, dahlunk!!
And this - has anyone had restless legs from all the meds? I get it sometimes if I take too much Benadryl (too much for me is more than 50 mg., btw). But I haven't done that lately yet this weekend, I have felt like I can't keep my legs still. It's this feeling like their twitching or I feel like I have to move them every 3 seconds. My Belladonna (stomach/IBS meds) will help, but I really hate taking something for the side effects of my side effect medication. Feck! I'm in a real feck of a mood!! It's such a good thing this is the last time for this crap!!!
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Cris, you and I could post for each other at the moment! I'm day 10 out and I'm just a grumpy constipated bitch. I had an appointment with the fecking urologist today and NOW I have to have a bladder laparoscopy AND the scans he ordered showed up a fecking cyst on my ovary!! Will this fecking year ever be OVER???? ALL THIS BECAUSE THE FECKING CHEMO MADE BLOOD SHOW UP IN MY WEE!!!
Back to your girl. NO! It is not your problem at all. It is a sign of the fecked-up times we live in. I've been teaching for 29 years and boy have I seen a change or two. Sensible, compassionate people KNOW that with kids it is about two crucial things: 1. Learning how to lose in a competition regardless of how much effort is put in and 2. Never looking like the person who lost. It's up to adults to manipulate things so that real competition (with all it's obvious benefits and life-long lessons) is honoured, AND every child is affirmed and acknowledged even though they are not 'top dog'. This is not rocket science. EVERY person who works with youngsters should be expert at this stuff. Too much formal acknowledgement is never enough when it comes to kids forming values. Grrrrrrrr More power to your girl for not wanting to quit! Well..with a Mum like you...XX
And same about the legs..I am banking on that weird stuff going away in the next week or so. I'm only taking ibuprophen before I go to sleep..works till about 4am, so that's not too bad. During the day I just grind my teeth..that sometimes works!
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Cris-I had restless leg syndrome before this cancer crap invaded my life and have noticed that since being on chemo, it is back. I have been taking Mirapex at night for a couple of years and thought that I was going to have to increase my dosage. Glad that I didn't because I'ved had no side effects from the Mirapex..
Which leads me to a funny story. We have all seen the commercials for Mirapex and it's side effects. (you know-uncontrollable urges to gamble, have sex etc.) DH had a fishing guide trip and somehow their conversation turned to Mirapex. DH told them that I was taking it and that it really made a difference. Then the guy asked (jokingly) if I had any of the side effects. My brilliant DH responded with "Not really, but she did have an overwhelming desire to make love to a slot machine." Gotta love 'em.
Randie-hoping that you get to come home today!
Kerry-hope that your visit with the urologist is uneventful! I sometimes wonder if my body will ever be the same. (Had a dream that I had started my period again-nightmare)
Happy Monday ladies!
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breezing out the door so only a second . . . "make love with a slot machine" -- cracked me up. Reminds me of a Pam story I'm gonna post over on "Road to Hell."
Had the restless legs which fortunately stopped and were replaced with painful legs. Which, honestly, is better. Hey, Kerry -- a soulful fist tapping heart for ovarian cyst. My eye is better this morning. I think I just scratched it.
Just a shout out for now! (and a caution not to take biotin during radiation or chemo -- it's an antiox.)
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Rock - glad your eye is better. I missed your original mention on that.
Randie - I hope you get to go home today. Make sure you stay rested and rely on that family of yours to take care of you!
Gracie - your DH story had me laughing out loud. Too funny!
Kerry - well crap. Just crap! It does seem like it never ends sometimes.
Noelle - thanks for the info on Biotin. What are your opinions on Biotin in shampoo, such as Nioxin? I had contemplated getting a bottle to help with hair growth but decided I didn't want to put my hair through anything more than its already had to go through. No harsh treatments. I'm currently using baby shampoo....as I did all through chemo.
I hope everyone has a great week.
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You wanna get me started on shampoo do ya? JIC you don't know I spend more time in my store talking to people about hair than anything else.
Well.... I personally think all shampoo should be SLS free, which Nioxin is not. .. and that all hair conditioners should be petroleum and silicone free which most are not.
Baby Shampoo is a little iffy too, it is still a detergent based shampoo. I will check out the ingredients for you.
I am working on some online papers for shampoo issues for the website, I will let you guys in on the details as I write them.
Gracie, I had crazy twitchy legs all the way through Taxol.
Messy morning. I am off!
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Hmmm asked onc about what I should avoid while on herceptin/tamox.... he said I could pretty much take anything I want with no adverse effects. He didn't mention vitamins or anything. I wonder if I should call and ask about the biotin......
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I am on Facebook
Kristy Adams Lindale, Texas
Going to hunt for y'all - hopefully I can find you or you can find me LOL
Kristy
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Kristy, I sent everyone in our group the suggestion to add you.
Or you can hunt through my friends list for them.
N
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Jen, I think the antiox thing is fine during anything after chemo and rads. My onco told me I could take anything I wanted during chemo ....
No mention of the antiox thing, but I had heard that before from another local BC patient.
I hate my onco.
N
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Hey all, well kind of mixed news. Seems Sam, my 6 yo, has a fever and the dh is not feeling well either. The early morning drs. said to go home, but stay away from the little one.
My surgeon is supposed to be here in the late a.m., so I will check with him about the home situation,
Last night, got some more sleep, but then there was this huge bus crash and since UC Davis is a trauma center, the helicopters started coming in at 8ish and kept it up for a couple of hours. Poor people on the bus, most were Laotians and there was a language barrier with the ER staff.
Other than that, my shrunken apples look better, a little more pain today, but that means healing is taking place, right?
Roomie situation is better, no family members showed up at 7, so who hooo.....lol,,,instead, I had a nice chat with her. Amazingly resilient for 84, but she says its because she's from Minnesota.
Okay, here's the TMI, no bowel movements yet, I keep asking for extra fruit and fiber, but it gets me no where.....maybe I just need home toilet advantage, eh?????
As far as the drains go, I have decided to be lazy, the maintantence will be dh's responsibility, lol. The nurses here are all fine with that. The left side is barely draining, I was hoping they would pull that side, but the interns first said yes, then no. Another ? for my surgeon, right?
As far as aftercare, it is truly weird. The floor nurses are all giving me the deer in head light look when I ask for a surgi-cami, they had no idea what I was talking about. Any suggestions?
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You mayhave to purchase the cami outside of the hospital. I've seen many on different websites but none in town.
A little more pain is ok. Your body is probably coming out of shock at this point. Try to keep moving but not too much. Bm's..... are they giving you senekot? If not ASK FOR IT! You don't want that first one to be like what I went thru.... yeouchie!
I'm so glad you took your laptop with you. It's almost like I was able to come and visit with you a bit at the hospital. :O)
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the nurses wanted to know who I was writing to, told them about all of you and how important this site is to those of us going thru this crap....I laugh at the fact that all of us together are much more knowledgable then all of our oncologists put together. My student nurse came in and now he's going to go back to class and tell them how far short of the bar UCD is for BC patients. He keeps coming in with print-outs he gets from the computer so I can read more.
Anyway, still on a waiting game to see if the surgeon comes in or not. DH is on his way, but he is complaining about how he feels crappy...way to go, eh? I just told the staff that if he has anything, I am not going home with him. They said that I just need to have everyone put masks on, at which point I asked them, who provides the actual touching care if he can't touch me??????Jeez, gotta love the insurance companies max stay times....oh well, must be feelingbetter since I am bitching!
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last update, am going home soon, they will remove one drain who hoooooo.....going home with 3, maybe 1 more gone by end of week, then the other 2 next week.
doc said tumor had shrunk way way way down, got it all, looks like they took out about 8 nodes with the very bottom one that looked a little hinky, he said it had a hard lump in it, so will know more next week, I might be joing the rad team with you all!
randie
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Ran,
Don't worry about the cami too much. I could not even get mine on and off over my head without help so i wore a button up pj top most of the time with drains pinned to it near my waist.Although it did have a really stupid looking velcro foob that came with it. For the constipation ask the doc about something like lactolose. It is a heavy laxative, and I had to take it along with the stool softeners. Fibre got me nowhere, nor did drinking lots of fluid.
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woooohooo way to go randie! I bet you are ready for your own bed at this point. I sure was just after one nite.
measured my hair this morning... on average it is about 1/4 of an inch long. still have plenty of bald spots shining thru but they are coming along. and yes... I actually measured it LOL
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Randie, glad you're headed home (just checked when you posted, and figure you must be there by now). Jen, yippeee!!! on that quarter inch of hair.
My news: got the port yanked today. It was a non-event. The interventional radiology intake woman who set up my appointment a few weeks ago told me I'd likely have a sedative (and basically encouraged to ask for one), but the interventional radiology people who actually do the procedure told me they'd stopped using sedation, most people don't need it. And they were right, at least for me. The procedure was a big nothing. They numbed me thoroughly, opened up the incision, I felt a small tug, then nothing, and then they irrigated the "pockets" (whatever those are, I really don't care to picture them) and sutured me up, and sent me on my way with a shiny new coating of surgical glue.
I just hope I don't get that socked-in-the-chest feeling after the lidocaine wears off, the way I did following the insertion.
Linda
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YAY Linda! It is so nice to have the port gone. I was a little sore the day after and less so the day after that. I think it was more about the muscle/tissue around the port having to adjust with its absence. Good riddance!
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RanD, you crack me up! I will use the 'home toilet advantage' line in future..it has actually been a factor in my life always.. And don't we all know heaps about bowels?? Actually, there should be a thread on this site for such. My grandmother would be SO impressed..she was obsessed by bran and wholemeal bread, the whole kaboodle. And that was in the days when you got the bran from the bag of chook's bran, and the bread was made from the same stuff! You are right about the collective info and how little 'real' stuff the experts know. I find it a really interesting phenomenon..and one I am grateful for because the info goes way past 'facts'..it's even past 'knowledge'..it's wisdom and it's incredibly reassuring (even during 'roid-rage and h'roid-rage!) I laughed out loud about the old girl..from Minnesota. I don't know anything about Minnesota..fill me in. Is it harsh or something?
Noelle, thanks for ramping up the FB biz. It's great! I'm sure eventually we will all be able to put cancer in its place and wean ourselves off this thread. We will have to make it an EVENT when the time comes! I am also thinking that YOU are on the brink of becoming a mega-player in the hair/commerce area. I am thinking that you have a MEGA opportunity to trample all over cancer and make a VERY tidy income because of it..especially because of your commitment to natural products.....god, now I'm sounding like a clairvoyant and I'm not even on Dex...
A last word on the colon, girls. Slippery elm bark powder. (one teaspoon only, y'hear.)
XXX
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RanD and everybody: I am not surprised, but I AM impressed with how much everybody knows about post-surgical care. I hope I never need your expertise (I had a lumpectomy) but if I do... The surgicami discussion reminded me of when I tried to put on my sports bra post-surgery and right after I took a shower and got stuck. Sure, it's funny NOW but at the time I was a wreck, not to mention still naked from waist-down with my arms frozen over my head. SO BE CAREFUL, Randie! Bras and camis LOOK innocent but don't kid yourself, they can attack in a moment!
There is a possibility that over Thanksgiving, I'll talk to a bunch of doctors-in-training about treating women with bc like, I dunno, human beings. If that invitation is confirmed, you can bet I'll be asking you guys for advice.
Linda - congrats on being port-free! And Jen, can flowing locks be far away?! (I got called "sir" today. Harrumph.) xo
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