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You have to appreciate this coming from veteran Democratic politician and former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown
He writes:
Palin floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee
Willie Brown
Sunday, September 7, 2008
Willie Brown
The Democrats are in trouble. Sarah Palin has totally changed the dynamics of this campaign.
Period.
Palin's speech to the GOP National Convention on Wednesday has set it up so that the Republicans are now on offense and Democrats are on defense. And we don't do well on defense.
Suddenly, Palin and John McCain are the mavericks and Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the status quo, in a year when you don't want to be seen as defending the status quo.
From taxes to oil drilling, Democrats are now going to have to start explaining their positions.
Whenever you start having to explain things, you're on defense.
I actually went back and watched Palin's speech a second time. I didn't go to sleep until 1:30 a.m. I had to make sure I got the lines right.
Her timing was exquisite. She didn't linger with applause, but instead launched into line after line of attack, slipping the knives in with every smile and joke.
And she delivered it like she was just BS-ing on the street with the meter maid.
She didn't have to prove she was "of the people." She really is the people.
There is one thing she should have done: announced when her 17-year-old daughter and the teenage father of the girl's unborn child are getting married and invited all of us to the wedding. It should be like Sunday at church.
As for Palin herself, she is going to be very, very effective on the campaign trail, especially if McCain's people can figure out how to gently keep her from getting into confrontations with the press.
If she can answer questions like she handled herself at the convention, Palin will turn out to be the most interesting person in all of politics, and the press will treat her like they treated Obama when he was first discovered.
And remember, the Palin bandwagon needs to roll for only two months. -
By the way Charlie Gibson of ABC will get the first Palin interview later this week.
I think McCain promised Face the nation will get the first Sunday interview once they are scheduled.
It will be very clear who McCain respects in the media and who he does not............
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Can't resist -Piper 2044!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/this_video_could_win_a_couple_1.asp
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Until the democrats can come up with such a bold move that McCain has, they hopefully will stay on the defensive. McCain really proved that he is fearless. He had everything to lose by choosing Palin, and look at him now.
On the other hand, Obama is only now apologizing for his flippant remark at Saddleback. It took them awhile to craft the perfect apology. Too late.
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Linda! I don't like you! Just for the simple fact that you are a size 8!
Shirley
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Saluki - Piper is so cute and she does not realize that the camera is on her. She is a natural. McCain did say Gov. Palin would go on Face the Nation.
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Linda, I was thinking about you while I read this article...you know..the book you have suggested that we read..."While Europe Slept." Pretty soon there's going to be a book written, "While the U.S. Slept." The media sure isn't trying to dig up crap on Obama and never has. Today on Fox it was mentioned that during the time Obama attended Columbia University those years are never mentioned. He didn't mention them in his books. Something that makes one go...HMMMMMM! They don't have time to look into Obama's background now because they've got all the reporters in Alaska digging up trash on Palin. And, when they can't find anything to dig up, they make it up!
Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
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I think Palin looks very nice. She looks very feminine. I don't think it would look proper if she dressed like Cindy McCain. And, she might not have as many suits as the rich and famous. I bet she can wear a suit once a week and then wear the same suits, and wear the same suits the next week, but just mix the order of days in which you she wore them. And, she may do a lot of mix and matching. Smart cookie. I wonder how many shoes she owns? LOL
And, that Piper. What a cutie. My brother was just talking about her the other night..her waving. I bet the media will soon be saying that Sarah taught Piper how to wave because she will be in beauty pageants.
Brenda, coming from Texas to here...the pronunciation of a few of my words had to change. I used to say, fark, argon...had to learn to say FORK and ORGAN...I was made fun of. I remember watching my brother do a commercial on TV in San Antonio. He had a piano and organ business. He would (and still does) say ARGON, and I would correct him. I'm sure there were more of those "or" words I pronounced incorrectly. I'm trying to learn to say pEn instead of pIn..Pen...the thing you write with vs pin..the thing that sticks you. I'm a southerner.
Shirley
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I hope they do not try to make her over - I think that is part of her appeal - she does not look or act like "them" she looks like "us".
Shirley - my dd took a linguistics class and she cannot see what all the uproar is over the pronunciation of words. There is no "right" way - all depends on what part of the country you are from.
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Susfive, but saying FARK! That could be mistaken for another word. LOL
Shirley
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Susie, that's a good one on Obama's misstatement about signing up for the selective service. He seems to get a lot of dates and situations wrong, doesn't he? His uncle who was a liberator at Auschwitz (no uncle, not Auschwitz).... All honest mistakes, I'm sure.
Also from Obama's interview on ABC this morning.... George S. questioned Obama about his response to how the Republicans downplayed his community organizer experience during their convention speeches. Obama's answer? He explained that as a community organizer, he worked on programs to assist workers left unemployed by companies in the area, he worked on after-school programs for kids.... He said that he and the Democrats consider these types of activities to be valuable public service and he doesn't understand why the Republicans put this down and don't value this type of service. Talk about missing the point (intentionally, of course)! As far as I know, no one from either party has suggested that community public service isn't important and to be valued. However what many people are saying (and not just Republicans by any means) is that community service such as what Obama did doesn't qualify him to be president. Ya think?
And then there was the discussion about the surge in Iraq. Thanks to O'Reilly, Obama finally admits that it was successful, but that's not the point, right? The point is that "Bush, McCain, Rumsfeld and Cheney" (Obama's words this morning) took the country into the war in the first place and that was wrong. Well, personally I do think the war was a mistake and I've thought that from the start, but if Obama is going to include McCain's name with Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney as one of those who were behind this decision, then he's better add Biden's name to the list as well. Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney decided on it. McCain voted for it. Biden voted for it. What's the difference there? And by the way, since the war happened, whether he agreed or not, how can Obama not admit that McCain's plan for the surge has created an environment whereby a successful withdrawal may be possible, whereas if the troops had been withdrawn when Obama was originally calling for it, the entire war would have been a failure, with possibly catastrophic consequences? I thought the surge was foolish. I was wrong. McCain is one of the only people who called this right and that gives me faith in his ability as a leader in today's world.
On the other hand, every time Obama opens his mouth, I distrust and dislike him more and respect him less. Obama as leader of the free world? That's frightening.
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Shirley - and argon is a chemical element
I just think it is silly picking apart how someone is pronouncing the words instead of listening to what they are saying. I didn't even think of how fark could be mistaken for something else 
. I have relatives who say worsh in instead of wash. There are others but my chemo brain can't think of them right now.Now Obama is saying that because the economy isn't doing well - if he is elected he may have to delay raising taxes on the top 5% because it could HURT THE ECONOMY! So he is going to wait until it gets better and then slam it. What an economic policy.
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Wow, it is taking me time to catch up on things today. You guys are really chatty. It is a beautiful day here so we went for a bike ride. I hope the rest of you are having a nice Sunday too.
Beesie, you make some really good points about the war. Here is another one. While McCain voted for the war, he was critical of how it was being run from the very start, when no one else was saying anything critical. From the beginning he was saying that they should have waited and planned things our better and from the beginning he was saying there were not enough troops on ground. He was advocating for a surge, years before it happened. This is why he was counted out by his party. He wasn't towing the party line.The best thing about having McCain as president is that he understands war and will not rush into it. He has a vested interest in Iraq because he and Palin will both have sons fighting. They will not be rash in making decisions. I wanted McCain as president since 2000 and he deserves to have the job he is destined for, not some zero. Give us the Hero!
Obama has never bucked his party. In fact he is keen on bragging about how he helped the displaced steelworkers in Chicago when they closed down the plants. He makes it sound like he was helping the little guy battle the big bad corporation. The truth is, Chicago wanted to get rid of the steel mills because they wanted to clean up and gentrify the city. And it was the democratic leaders of Chicago leading the charge. Obama was working for his own party to keep the folks from revolting. Another thing that gets little press, is how did Michele even get the job at the hospital in first place? It was their shady connections of course. The skeletons in the Obama closet keep expanding, yet the press keeps the door closed. They will go after a pregnant 17 year old kid, but downplay BO's associations. WE can see through this of course. WE will let them no soon that we are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore when we vote for real change in Nov.
Rock, I am going to call my local Rep, party on Monday to see if I can get them interested in your slogan.
Shirley, that was a great link you found about Obama's saudi connection. No wonder he never casts stones at the Saudi's like so many other dems do. He is beholdin' to them, just as Clinton is for financing his "library" in Little Rock.
I love southern accents for the most part. The only time I am annoyed is when people say Worshington and pronounce the s at the end of Illinois. Why do southerners worsh instead of wash? Another question for you Shirley-What the heck are you doing reading the Canada Free Press? Are you trying to outresearch Susie? And sorry you don't like me. My goal is to lose 10 more lbs by Christmas. I guess that will mean I will be off your Christmas list!
Notice that BO drops a lot of his g's also. He tends to do it more when he is speaking downstate as opposed to when he is speaking in Chicago. And Michelle does too.
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Linda, BO speaks differently depending on the group he is speaking too - that is one thing I have noticed.
When I posted about the "git" it was because another thread here was making rearks about Palin dropping her "g". Different areas of NC sound totally different. I said "quart-er" and roomed with a girl from a different area of the state and she pronounced it "quad-er". We all have different dialect depending on the area of our states or different areas of the country we are from and I probably drop my "g" too. I don't think I sound different but my friends from Ohio and NY think I have an accent!! I don't think I say worsh for wash though but then who knows, I think I sound like everyone else.
We own a small business and OB and his ideas on taxes and economy are not going to help us at all.
My brother just called and said he, my sister, her daughter are all voting McCain. All registered Democrats - my sister I know has never voted for a Rep. in her life.
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Linda, I believe (but you might check it out as my memory is fading) that McCain at the beginning of the war said that we could do the job with fewer than 100,000 troops--that is, he was in agreement with the Bush administration until it was fairly evident that a situation had developed. As I remember some military types, generals, disagreed with this estimate but that McCain stuck with the administration and didn't listen to the military experts. It's true that at one point he became very vocal that Rumsfield was incompetent but it took some time for that to happen. I like and even admire McCain, mainly for his courage, but he allied himself with the Bush administration from the beginning. Like Beesie, I was against the war and also against the surge, but I believe that even with this bias the above is correct.
Lots of the pols have Saudi connections but the Bush family (and Cheney) more than any of them. Much was made after 9/11 when the administration made it easy for members of the Bin Laden family to leave the United States with a special flight not available to Americans. Remember how many flights were cancelled, but not the Saudi flight. That's the problem isn't it, that all these politicians have highly questionable connections and so many of them are based on money.
The biggest news of the day for me is Obama's change regarding his original plan to not renew the tax break for the 5% of high earners. I certainly support the Democratic platform over the Republican platform but I don't like the nominee. There is nothing, apparently, on which he is willing to take a stand. I do believe that circumstances change and so plans may change--on drilling and taxes, but Obama isn't only calibrating his economic platform, he's doing the same to his social platform, and for those changes there's no excuse. You either believe in a principle or you don't. Giuliani's line, that Biden should get the VP thing in writing was, for me, the funniest line at the Republican Convention. And the most telling!
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LOL, Anne. I thought that line by Giuliani was funny too.
The reason Obama's deciding to wait before he ups the top 5% is because he was on O'Reilly and O'Reilly was belly aching about his taxes even going higher. And I guess Obama has watched enough of Fox News' pundits to know that upping taxes when the economy is shaky is not a good idea.
I'm sorry, but the dems are reporting that the sky is falling concerning our economy. No, it's not great, but it could be a lot worse...especially if Obama gets in there. I believe he's pandering to the right, but it ain't gonna help.
I heard on Fox (yes Fox) that some roads and bridges are going to have to be delayed in fixin' them. Not enough people driving, thus not as much gasoline being used, thus no enough tax revenue collected. Something else that makes me go...HMMMM...
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Susfive, thanks for teaching me something new..that argon is a chemical..LOL
Brenda, you do sound just like everyone else. You have no accent. We North Carolinians have NO accent. LOL
Shirley
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Naniam, I enjoyed reading your posts about the various styles of articulation. I'm from the NC mountains, and around here we say "korter"-- guess we don't know it starts with a "q". My husband was born and raised in Washington State and lived in Oregon and he definitely talks differently than I do, although he's slowly adapting to our local "hillbilly" slang. When I try to pronounce places of interest in Washington and Oregon, he horse-laughs me.
Husband also lived in Alaska and he speaks of how the ideals and ways of the Alaskan people are different (in a good way) than the rest of the US and says that for Gov. Palin to have an 80 percent approval rating as gov. of Alaska, she is REALLY doing something right up there. Now, if we can just get her in the White House.
Have a good week, everyone!
Mary Jo
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This yankee has only one thing to ad:
Y'all have a good nigh now. Ya hear me honey?
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You think it's finally dawned on MSNBC and NBC that they have lost all credibility???
Nahhhhh--not with statements like this--still delusional
Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t,” he said. Rather than label MSNBC’s prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.
Still this is Interesting:
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MS-NBC dropping Olbermann, Matthews? Update: NYT confirms they’re out as election-coverage anchors
posted at 9:51 pm on September 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
No details on this yet, but Drudge has a headline up stating that MS-NBC has dumped both Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from its “anchor chair”. David Gregory will take over the political duties and apparently also the anchor spot, at least if Drudge has this correct.
If this is true, what happened? Olbermann has been an embarrassment for years, and Matthews has hardly hidden his “thrill up his leg” for Barack Obama for the last few months. Did NBC finally just get tired of these two credibility killers?
Or did someone at General Electric read this post?
Update: The Drudge headline says NBC’s dropping them from the anchor chair, not just for the debates. Again, we’ll have to wait to see what NBC announces, but from that Drudge note, it sounds like they’re out altogether.
Update II: Here’s what Drudge says:
MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair… David Gregory will anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night…. Developing…
Granted, they could just have decided to drop O & M from debates and election night, but doesn’t that amount to a tacit admission that the two have no credibility? Aren’t those the two main events for political anchors, and if they can’t handle that, why would MS-NBC trust them with any kind of political reporting? Why keep them on the air after emasculating them like that?
Update III: Via William Amos, the New York Times confirms:
MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.
That experiment appears to be over.
After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.
The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.
NBC finally had enough during the conventions, according to the Times. The chant of “NBC, NBC” during the Republican convention didn’t help. It does look like Olby gets to keep his news program … for now.
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It's about time! I didn't think MSNBC was listening but it turns out they were. I think ratings had a lot to do with it. The station was out of control when it put up a breaking news banner saying McCain picks Palin, how many houses do they own together. That's a breaking news comment?
Just taking those two out of anchor spots is not enough. They need to get back to the basics of what is news and what is commentary especially when both the news and the commentary is venomous.
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I would love to see Keith Olberman kicked back to a sports anchor. I do know that BO sat down with Olberman for an interview and that is to air, I think, this week or next. He did both Olberman and O'Reilly apparently about the same time.
MSNBC used to have on its website a way to email them - I can't find that now. I do know that John Stewart was giving Brian Williams a hard time about the "fighting" going on at MSNBC.
Hope you gals are as "fine as frog's hair" this morning!!! Brenda
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Shirley ... help!! I don't know which political thread I'm on!!
Heard about MSNBC first this this a.m. Yippee!
I love living in the South ... my own son doesn't know what I'm saying half the time now!
Better get to work right quick.
Bren
PS - Hi Brenda ... my frog's hair is looking mighty fine this morning!!
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Mornin' y'all! Would you please explain to this yankee what the heck you mean by the frog's hair thing? LOL I never heard that one from my Arkansas relatives. I know we are way off track with this conversation on accents, but it is a nice little detour. I was thinking about a documentary I saw on PBS, a while ago about the American accent. They talked all about why we pronounce things the way we do in different parts of the country and use different words for the same thing. For instance, in Chicago, a soft drink is referred to as pop, not soda like in other areas. I remember that the doc concluded with the statement the the quintessential American accent is the midwestern accent. So if you girls living elsewhere are not sure about how you should say something, we will be glad to enlighten you! LOL
If nbc thinks getting rid of two knuckleheads will help, they will be in for a rude awakening. I do not see any difference with Gregory. Have you ever seen how rude he is at press conferences. He makes no bones about hiding his true colors either. I can't imagine Palin ever giving him an interview.
Our guy is finally passing BO in the polls! People are waking up to the issues and realizing that we need a president who has a clue what to do.
anne, I couldn't believe that BO is now saying he will not increase taxes until the economy gets better. Is there any issue he will take a stand on? He has no platform. He is standing on a raft in the middle of the ocean and he is about to fall overboard and be food for the sharks!
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letters@msnbc.com letters@msnbc.com
That's how I reach them via email. I wrote them to congratulate them for having ratings in the dumbster, thanks mainly to Matthews and his ilk.
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This is too much. Obama admitting defeat on taxes. He'll keep the Bush tax breaks in place. Of course, he will. So people are voting for Obama, why exactly?
This is how I see this. Obama is in the White House and John McCain comes in asking for a surge. Obama says, ummm, errrhhh, p a u s e....I don't think so.
McCain is sitting in the White House and no one has to ask him for the surge. It already happened years ago when he first started talking about it. He was on a show (years ago) saying he was more concerned about the amount of troops on the ground in Iraq then the amount in Afghanistan.
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Good morning girls...........my favorite over the weekend was "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" when George asked Obama if he had ever considered joining the military and if he had why didn't he enlist?............This is classic.........I am sure Susie can find the video.......but Obama responded that he had considered joining the military but the Vietnam war had come to an end and he decided against it.............what bullsh*t .............this is what is going to get him in trouble........he's lying and everyone knows it............it would have been a lot better if he had just said no I never considered joining the military it just wasn't for me..........which for most of us would have been our own responses...........and let's talk about his years at Columbia........why won't he say anything about that including his transcript and his associates.........he left that out of both his "memoirs" saying he spent all that time in the Library...........we shall see...........Shokk
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Maybe the news media can pull a couple of reporters out of Alaska and ship them down to Columbia to dig up a little dirt hmm?
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It's doubtful anything will come out of anything about him. They sent a horde of reporters to Illinois to go over all the years of documents between Ayers and Obama. Anyone hear anything about it? That's right Ayers was his neighbor, kids went to same school, nothing to their relationship. Have your nearest bomber over to dinner, and run a foundation with them. Where did that $49 million go?
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Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
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