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  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

    Here is a very good article about socialized  health-care in Cancer as opposed to what we have now. I empathize with the authors situation as our practice (of which I was a manager for seven years) has been teetering on the verge of bankruptcy since the Medicaid HMO's were instituted.

    (Dr. Linda Halderman was a Breast Cancer Surgeon in rural central California until unsustainable Medicaid payment practices contributed to her practice's closure.) 

    No way do I want the government in the health-care business

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Doctor Is In: Investing in Fighting Cancer

    September 6, 2008 - by Dr. Linda Halderman

    Q:  We spend so much on healthcare in the United States. Unlike other countries that spend less and have better results, why don’t we have anything to show for it?

    A:  Criticisms of administrative waste in any system of healthcare funding and delivery are legitimate. But in terms of cancer survival, screening rates and the use of advanced treatment, we have significant returns on our investment.

    Cancer Survival

    Compared with women in the U.S., women with breast cancer in Europe are four times more likely to be diagnosed at an advanced stage-after the tumor has spread. Their survival rates are lower for the disease than women in the United States, which has the highest survival rates in the world for breast cancer.

    According to the World Health Organization and the British medical journal Lancet, five-year survival rates for 13 of 16 types of cancer (including bladder, prostate, breast, uterine, lung, thyroid, and malignant melanoma) are consistently higher for patients in the United States than for Europeans.  These figures report statistics for all Americans, not only those with private insurance.

    British citizens suffering from lung cancer are half as likely to survive for five years compared with Americans diagnosed with the disease.

    The American survival rate for leukemia is almost 50% while the European rate is significantly lower, just 35%.  Esophageal carcinoma is often deadly, but compared with their European counterparts, American patients are more than twice as likely to survive the disease for five years.

    Cancer Screening

    Despite the fact that countries with a system of socialized healthcare supposedly promote and fund prevention, actual screening rates tell a different story.

    Screening rates may contribute to the survival advantage for American patients, particularly for cancers that can be identified at early, treatable stages.Johns Hopkins University researchers report that U.S. cervical cancer screening rates are at 93% compared with the United Kingdom’s dismal 67%. The use of Pap smears for cervical cancer detection — and its ability to detect pre-cancerous lesions — has contributed to an extraordinary decline in the death rate of American women from cervical and uterine cancer, representing less than one percent of all cancer deaths among women.

    84% of women aged 50 to 64 years in the United States obtain regular mammograms to screen for breast cancer.  This exceeds the percentage of women screened in Australia, Canada, Great Britain and New Zealand.

    Cutting Edge Cancer Treatment

    In 2007, Swedish researchers reported in the Annals of Oncology that newer, more effective cancer drugs are less available in some European countries than other parts of the world.  Cutting-edge cancer therapies were found to be most accessible in France, the U.S., Austria and Switzerland.  American patients were ten times more likely to receive any of the newest medications for lung and colon cancer than Europeans.

    Cancer research may also contribute to the higher survival rates of U.S. patients, particularly compared to those in the United Kingdom.

    In the UK, health technology assessments are made by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE).  The same Annals of Oncology article explains how “research rationing” plays a role in the availability of cancer treatment:”

    It was the explicit objective at the establishment of NICE to avoid any significant delays to bringing innovations to market in the UK. There is yet no evidence that this objective is met.”

    What We Have — and Haven’t

    The United States has a healthcare system of funding and delivery that is imperfect.  Problems related to high cost, access, safety, quality standards and administrative waste should be evaluated.

    But as the debate over whether and how to reform our current system continues, consideration of its strengths — including cancer research, screening, treatment, and innovation — should be given as much weight as condemnation of its weaknesses.

    Dr. Linda Halderman was a Breast Cancer Surgeon in rural central California until unsustainable Medicaid payment practices contributed to her practice's closure. She now serves as a policy advisor in the California State Senate. 


    Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

    Well this ought to get the Democratic party alot of votes.............What kind of votes----that's another questionWink...........astounding if true.........

    Democrats Throw 12,000 American Flags Into The Garbage

    Posted on September 6th, 2008

    In a staggering act of political and environmental insensitivity, the Democratic Party threw 12,000 American flags left over from their convention in Denver into the garbage during the cleanup of Invesco Field, where Barack Obama spoke before a flag-waving crowd.

    flags.jpg

    According to a Denver Post blogger, the flags were en route to a landfill when one of the cleanup workers realized what was happening. The worker, whose name is not yet known, turned the flags over to local Republicans, hoping to save them. Local Republican officials say that the flags will be used at a McCain-Palin rally today in Colorado Springs, and that the Republicans will see to it that the flags are properly re-used or respectfully destroyed.

    Flags can be properly disposed of by following the regulations of the US Flag Code. Local VFW posts and American Legion posts are always glad to help with flag disposal, as are most local Boy Scout troops. Flags should be re-used, stored for future re-use, or be ceremonially destroyed rather than being thrown into the garbage.

    It is never acceptable to simply throw the flag into the garbage. To throw 12,000 flags into the garbage is an act of the profoundest disrespect for the American flag, and to the veterans who fought and died under that banner.













  • Naniam
    Naniam Member Posts: 1,766
    edited September 2008

    saluki, this was just reported by the McCain camp on Fox News  Within 15 minutes, they read a statement by the Obama camp and said that they were not to be thrown out; they were to be boxed up and sent to other rallies - think they might be worried .  They showed his Majesty just about coming unglued over McCain/Palin "stealing" the theme of his campaign - change.

    Listening to Palin now speak.  She and McCain are together on a campaign stump.  She is doing great and the crowd is loving her. 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

    Update--The DNC is claiming the flags were stolen from them.- LOL

    In any event, I would not have thought this earlier but, with the selection of Sarah Palin, this probably will be one of the most polarizing elections in American history.   The media will be chiefly to blame........

    John Podhoretz in Contentions refers to an article in the NYT that is very reflective of this.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/us/politics/06church.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1220724449-fGClIk6J1CItLlpb56YgNw 

    If you cant access the link --let me know and I will paste it..... NYT sometimes wants you to register (free) to see the articles.

    Some of Podhoretz's comments 

    "Today, the New York Times published an article that, should it receive wide circulation (and it might, on the web), will do a great deal to harden evangelical attitudes against the supposed leftward swing — because it is an act of secular aggression against a believing Christian."

    "Headlined “In Palin’s Life and Politics, Goal to Follow God’s Will,” the article has about it the wide-eyed wonder that anyone might actually be crazy enough to believe in a Creator Who still plays a role in human affairs."

    "One sentence reads: ‘Mr. Kroon (pronounced krone), a soft-spoken, bearded Alaska native, said he was convinced that the Bible is the Word of God,  and that the task of believers is to ponder and analyze the book for meaning — including scrutiny, he said, for errors and mistranslations over the centuries that may have obscured the original intent.”

    "The actual inclusion of this sentence in a major newspaper is an indication of the distance of secular America from religious America. Need it actually be noted that a member of the clergy believes the “Bible is the Word of God, and that the task of believers is to ponder and analyze the book for meaning”? That is what all believers, Christian and Jew, think (though Jews don’t think it of the New Testament)."

    "She believes in the power of prayer! Imagine that! What a Yahoo! What does it matter if prayer and its efficacy stand at the center of all religious practice and belief?"
    "The point here is that by treating the views of such people as though they are exotically fascinating at best and terrifyingly Other at worst, and by highlighting the views of a prominent Christian in an article intended to frighten rather than enlighten its readership, the New York Times (and those organizations sure to follow it down this path) only makes it likely that any ideological journey evangelicals might take this year will not be to the left, but back into the bosom of the Right."

    "Who wants to make friends with people who treat you with such contempt?"

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

    High Noon- LOL

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited September 2008

    Prayer!  People actually do that? OMG a preacher believes that the Bible is the Word of God! They worry about Gov. Palin having a passport and they know nothing of America outside of Times Square! No wonder newspapers are failing.

    In the Notable and Quotable from the Wall Street Journal today:

    From a New York Times editorial on July 3, 1984, on Geraldine Ferraro's nomination for vice president:

    "Where is it written that only senators are qualified to become President?... Or where is it written that mere representatives aren't qualified, like Geraldine Ferraro of Queens?,,, Where is it written that governors and mayors, like Dianne Feinstein of San Francisco, are too local, too provincial?... Presidential candidates have always chosen their running mates for reasons of practical demography, not idealized democracy... What a splendid system, we say to ourselves, that takes little-known men, tests them in high office and permits them to grow into statesmen....Why shouldn't little-known women have the same opportunity to grow?"

    I guess we know - only applies if you are a Democrat and not running against their man.

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Someone over there ------------------------------> was posting about the Repubs going after small towns, yada yada yada...and mentioned small town morals and values (and put in parentheses, whatever those are)...I find it hard to believe people do not know what STMV are but here are some (cause I know over there ---------------------------> they peek in over here as well)!

    Small town morals and values...I moved from Houston, TX. (third or fourth largest city in America, depending on the day of the week and who is doing the stats) to a small town (27,000 people) on the coast. And here are a few STMV...

    My grandson is a "special needs" kinda' kid (has Apraxia of Speech) so he entered public school in the special needs kids class last year at three. He was initially at a an elementary school a couple of miles from where he lives so was eligible for transportation (bus)...he LOVED riding the bus! He was transferred to the school that is DIRECTLY across the street from their home. He was disappointed he couldn't ride the bus this year. The bus driver decided she would pick him up in the morning, first stop, and he could ride the route with the kids who really need to ride the bus...and when I say his school is directly across the street, I kid you not. She drops him off at noon as the first stop. This is not the same bus driver as last year, this is the one who waved to him every morning last year as he was waiting for his bus, she remembered him. I said...only in a small town!

     I was at the realtors last Friday to pick up the keys to the restaurant space my dd and son in law are renting, they are opening another restaurant in this town, they have one in Huntsville but are spreading out (they are Repubs so they can do that)...anyway, the secretary said she forgot to make a copy of the key...I said I had to run over to Lowes and a few other stores anyway so I could make a copy and bring hers back...she said GREAT! When you bring it back if I am at lunch, just put it on the floor by the door. I said...only in a small town!

    The galvinized pipes collapsed under my house...had to get plumbing bids to redirect the plumbing around the house, across the front yard and into the main sewer drain. I thought s*** this is going to cost an arm and two legs!  I nearly collapsed myself at the cost, very reasonable, ( in Houston it would have cost an arm and two legs) and I didn't take the lowest bid...and the plumber who doesn't know me from Adam said: and Mam, if you can't pay all at once, I will take payment! I said...only in a small town!

    I LOVE small town living and small town people, trusting, honest, no BS about them, just go about their daily business but in the neatest way!  

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

     He'll be sorry he said this ---I hear another commercial coming Cool

    Today Barack Obama took after Palin:

    “She’s a skillful politician. But, you know, when you’ve been taking all these earmarks when it’s convenient, and then suddenly you’re the champion anti-earmark person, that’s not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can’t just make stuff up.”

    ----

    “Who is it that he’s going to tell that change is coming?” he added, “I mean come on, they must think you’re stupid!”

    --------------------------------------------

    BUT 

    McCain camp answers:

    “Barack Obama has requested the equivalent of one million dollars in new pork barrel spending for every working day he’s been in the U.S Senate, while John McCain has never once asked for an earmark, and Governor Palin has vetoed hundreds of millions in government spending including killing the infamous ‘bridge to nowhere’. Just like so many other issues Barack Obama is all talk, has no record to back it up and isn’t ready to make change.”

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited September 2008

    All I can say is I LOVE PALIN.  You go Girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! McCain has my vote!

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited September 2008

    Well according to Andrea Mitchell........of PMSNBC only the uneducated are going to vote for Sarah Palin...........jeez what in the hell am I going to do with with my college degree.......maybe I can sell it on Ebay..............Shokk

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited September 2008

    Are they stupid! Maybe we can sell our college degrees together Shokk - I know at the rally in Wisconsin the only people there without a college degree were the school children (a couple of schools in the town brought their social studies classes).

    As for earmarks, he got a $1 million dollar earmark for the University of Chicago Hospital where his wife worked in 2006. She says she did not ask him for it - yeah right. This was after they more than doubled her salary from around $120,000 to over $300,000 right after he was elected senator. So maybe it was just a thank-you gift.

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited September 2008

    What an ugle accusation, will have no respect for Andrea Mitchell, What will I do with my nursing license and all my life experences and pharmacy tech license?  I say vote for McCain thats what.

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited September 2008

    Anyone who can make is through POW has got to be a mighty strong man.  Only the pyschotic would vote obama (Andrea Mitchess)

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Now seriously girls, our college degrees do not count. Western Illinois and the U of Wisconsin or whatever, do not rank with Wellesly or Harvard you know. They aren't "really" college degrees. And we aren't really very smart because we did not go to Harvard, and sorry Spar but unless your medical study was done at Boston, you probably did not learn much. In the eyes of the elitists, we are all hicks. This is why they will continue to lose, they just have no clue who the rest of America is. So they continue to back candidates who are out of touch with the rest of the country. The more they cry about Palin, the more elitist they look and the wider JM/SP margin of victory will be. So I say, let them keep crying.

  • Naniam
    Naniam Member Posts: 1,766
    edited September 2008

    MSNBC entire staff has gone about nuts with the selection of Palin - she has put fear into Chris Matthews,  I think he sees a crack in Obama's charisma.

    Andrea Mitchell, I wondered if she thought of that stupid remark on her on or if her DH, Alan Greenspan, came up with this before Palin spoke at the convention. 

    I'm watching an interview/profile of Gov. Palin on Fox News. Some of this is taken from previous interviews and then just talking to others in Alaska.    Hope many of you are watching - it is really good. 

    The biggest thing is that she did not go to an Ivy League school and she doesn't have a law degree. 

    Brenda

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    I'm sitting here again laughing WITH you gals. 

    Okay, I must admit I'm not educated.  I only graduated from highschool.  I feel sooo left out    AND embarrassed.    So, I'm voting for the McCalin/Palin ticket BECAUSE I'm STUPID?  I would like to remind those idiots who make such idiotic remarks that many EDUCATED people with law degrees i.e. my dd, knows NOTHING about what is going on in the political world.  Either she doesn't have time, or she'd rather spend time with her fairly new boyfriend.  My other dd doesn't have time because she works and works then comes home and has two children to care for and fix dinner and sometime she has to do her OUTSIDE work at home.  Then, my youngest dd is still traveling with her dh.  I know they're NOT gonna vote for McCain.  Not that they've told me that directly, but when I try to inform them about what's going on she doesn't want to talk about it with me.  So, these educated women (my dds) know crap about what's going on in the political world.  I have plenty of time to watch and read...cuz I was a stay at home mom and was a dummy.  Wasn't I supposed to stay at home with my children according to the new GOLDEN RULE just recently declared by the left wing (hell they lean SO left they're about to fall over), sexist (they're only "sexist" when it comes to repubs or some think Hillary), LIBERALS!  Us (notice "us") uneducated women should be no longer allowed to vote for pete's sake!  In fact, I believe ALL women should be unable to vote!  We better be careful for whom we vote because they may YANK that right away from us...and that would be the dems!  ARGGGHHHHHHHH!

    I cannot believe...repeating myself...I CANNOT BELIEVE they media and so called liberal women who believe women CAN work and take care of a family are now questioning whether or not Palin can do "the job."  Hell, that's what her dh is for.  He'll step in.  Oh, GASP!  I forgot, she's breast feeding.  A friend of mine heard that Palin took her baby to work and breast fed.  My friend, who is conservative..perhaps too conservative,..didn't like that.  Well, I've a progressive!  It doesn't bother me ONE IOTA if a woman breast feeds her baby at work.  My dd was given privacy so she could pump! 

    I'm getting so fed up with the double standards when it comes to the left.  Making a comment like..McCain believes in country first.  Then an idiot liberal woman says she's concerned whether Palin will put her country first over her family!  C-MOOONNNE! (that word failed "spell check).

    I forgot about the show Greta was hosting.  Hope it runs later.  I'll tape it.

    The storm was not bad at all here.  The yard is a bit messy with limbs and pine cones, but other than that I am thankful!  Now I'm worried about that other storm.  I just hate seeing Florida and/or the Gulf states getting hit again. 

    Shirley

    The uneducated, southern, stay-at-home-mom, religion clinger who believes in the 2nd amendment, registered republican voter

      

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    Ya know...I just peeked (stealing this from Paulette) over there ---------------------------> and I'm tired of people making fun of people's accents.  Now, Palin can't pronounce "nuclear."  And I read where one of you posted a link about Palin dropping her "g."  Too funny.  Something else about which they can criticize her.  Oh, and still complaining that she "read" her speech...you know..Obama didn't when he made his appearance at the Greek Temple...oh, and I be they are fooled into believe HE writes his own speeches!

    And, why is Bush blamed for EVERYTHING.  When they come out with the unemployment  being at 6.whatever %, they don't mention how good it's been in the past.  And, do they not realize that even the price of oil has made some businesses go out of business, or lay off people...can't make those big cars anymore cuz no one's buying them.  But, I'm telling you girls.....I am NOT riding a bicycle around town.  I am not buying a teenzy weenzy.  I'm with Shokk...I'm beginning to HATE science...well, I never was that good in science.   Remember, I didn't go to college. 

    Did you hear where Pelosi criticized Bush for releasing oil because of the hurricane in the Gulf.  Because an oil company asks him to release it, it's wrong!  OMG!  I cannot stand that woman!

    I have more to gripe about, but I have to get off of here.

    Shirley

    Oh, and the DO NOTHING CONGRESS has been in power for the last two years...they've broken their promise...why don't the repubs bring that up!

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited September 2008

    This is not political but I'm curious. Apparently, McCain asked Palin at the last minutes to be veep.  Do you think she brought her clothes with her or did she do some shopping after she left Alaska?   She seems to dress in basic black, taupe, browns; is she mixing and matching because she had to pack in a hurry?  Or is she trying to stay very business like by avoiding color.  And is the hair style also just a practical measure or does she think it makes her look older and more serious.  Now, I know this is sexist because I never for a moment thought about Barack Obama's suits, and even less about John McCain's, but I'm curious.  What a pain, appearing in public every day if you haven't had the time to shop properly.

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Anneshirley-you make me laugh about the whole style thing. You are such a fashionista! I think Palin dresses better than Hillary ever did. Hillary always looks like she got her suits at Walmart. And she never did any accessorizing. Now we have Sarah, who dresses professionally and still looks pretty and Cindy who is just a knockout every day. Wait til my french friends see Cindy. They will stop making fun of us Americans. As for me, I prefer shorts and a Tshirt. But that is because I am one of those dumb women who went to a midwestern college then gave up a career to stay home and take care of my kids, so I have no clue how to dress! At least I am enjoying the fact that I can wear my size 8 jeans again. I know I am bragging, but tough!

    Shirley, glad to hear the storm did not hit you too hard. I saw a picture of a car in NC with a tree on it on the news tonight.

    Schokk- PMSNBC! lol lol lol Keep it coming girl!

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

    Anneshirley----She is definitely trying to stay very business like...... She makes no bones about it.

    "And perhaps because she is a woman -- a former beauty queen at that -- in an exceedingly macho state, not everyone has taken her seriously. Her schoolmarm look, she has said, was developed as a defense against just that attitude. "

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited September 2008

    Actually Anneshirley I think your questions are legitimate........I saw her hair one day where she wore it down and it looked better...........I think when she pulls it up I bet you money that she pulls it up and pins it down and then snaps on one of those "hair pieces"...........hang on a second while I fan Anneshirley..........I think she has the "vapors"..........(thought she was going to pass out on us).............Anneshirley what you are seeing in her colors are the conservative Midwestern look or maybe left over baby look that many women have while pregnant.............she is very fit and exercises regularly and maybe she is just wearing clothes that she wore when she was about 5 months pregnant............(beginning pregnant clothes and then you use them again when you have the last 15 lbs to lose after baby)...........or maybe she is a "autumn"........her coloring is completely different then Hillary's..............but once "consultants" get a hold of her she will improve...........Shokk

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    The way she mixes and matches and the colors she uses are called business casual (I believe)...still looks professional but not butchy (not that there is anything wrong with butchy...gotta' do that disclaimer) and definately feminine...but I could be wrong...it was a few years ago I worked for Corporate America.

  • Naniam
    Naniam Member Posts: 1,766
    edited September 2008

    Shirley, I'll tell you what bugged me to no end about Michelle Obama when she spoke - now with all her "Ivy League education" every time she said the word "get", she pronounced it "GIT".  Drove me nuts - I'm an uneducated, NC gal too and I have an accent and  talk funny but I was taught not to say "GIT" in my backwoods elementary school.

    AnnShirley, when Palin was first named as the Nominee, she was in lots of black suits with colored blouses or more autumn colored jackets.  There was a program on Fox tonight on her that was done before her son was born - she wore black suit then too.  I think it is a career wardrobe, basic skirts, different jackets/blouses.  Doesn't have to pack so many different shoes either.

    To me, when her hair is up, she looks more "powerful" -

    brenda

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    I couldn't get thru the McCain line ...... I want my slogan on a sign!  Wah!  I wish I could have gotten someone to answer me!  I would definitely let all of them use it!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    Well I fixed my signature line!

  • Daffodil
    Daffodil Member Posts: 829
    edited October 2008

    Doing her job and raising 5 children? Perhaps the critics forget that the VP job comes with a beautiful Victorian mansion on acres of land, staff and perks. They may have to re-think public schools, but there are plenty of options. (I am assuming the older daughter will be setting up housekeeping in Alaska). Sarah and Todd might have adjustments to make, but I bet they can do it.

    I, too, checked----------->and ran after just one post about Beltway ladies.Surprised However, notice the # of posts there........................

    I grew up in a small town and appreciate the specialness of it, as well as the drawbacks. I REALLY bristle at the elitist snobbery towards "Repugs"~~~especially from those that are not so elite themselves. This is the problem with trying to pigeonhole and profile people according to their political affiliation. What a lack of respect!

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited September 2008

    Saluki, good research.  Indeed the US has done much in cancer research.  Current President included in that.

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited September 2008

    I wasn't criticizing; she looks fine, just wondering how she was able to put it together in a few days, as it takes me a least a week of thinking about it when I have to go somewhere important. From a political perspective I think it's better that she not look too studied.

    Small town:  try fewer than 400.  People are very kind but it can get boring. And no Chinese and Indian food take out!

    Anneshirley

  • Daffodil
    Daffodil Member Posts: 829
    edited October 2008

    Anne of Green Gables, I know exactly what you meant. It will be interesting to see if there is a metamorphosis. Sarah's such a vibrant and pretty woman, and a little "healthier" than the fragile Cindy, the couturier's dream.

    Fun to speak of frivolous topics, considering........

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited September 2008

    There is only one small problem with this whopper Sen Obama told on ABC this morning--------

    Jammiewearingfool was observant enough to pick up on this -LOL

    he writes:

    ----------------------------------------------

    Obama: I Registered For the Draft Before Selective Service Was Reinstated

    Somehow upon graduating high school in 1979 Barack Obama registered for the draft, even though selective service wasn't reinstated until 1980.

    Oops.

        Sen. Barack Obama — locked in a tight presidential race against Sen. John McCain, widely considered a war hero — said in an interview broadcast Sunday that he once considered joining the military himself.

        Speaking to ABC's "This Week," Obama said, "You know, I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as an enobling and, you know, honorable option.

        "But keep in mind — I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue."

    This sounds awfully like Hillary Clinton's lame claim she wanted to enlist in the Marines.

    Obama needs to get his dates straight. I imagine his memory will soon be jogged.
     

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