Budwig protocol?

Soyaandpepper

Hi ladies, I've reading all your posts and Chillipadi's posts ever since she started posting and I won't use the word Stability as if its a good thing when it comes to Chillipadi's case. I've read all her ups and mostly downs in the past 3 years and the cancer she has been describing does not sound to me as a good quality of life for her. Yes, 3 years is a lifetime in some instances, but hearing about her pain while bathing everyday and taking care of it, not be able to enjoy her life as she would want to, I mean not even be able to wear clothes comfortable enough to spend time with family and go to wedding of her relatives. What about trying almost everything from chemo to alternative meds with little sucess? 

I really feel for her, I think she regretted not doing conventional med when she could still operate on the cancer and now nobody will ever operate on it until they get it under control. Yes she's fighting the cancer for 3 years now after it broke through her skin and hope that her latest alternative med is going to help her. She spent the last 3 years fighting to beat this cancer and that definitely shows her fighting spirit but no kind of quality of life at all.

sweetbean

Yes, I agree.  I wouldn't say that her condition has qualified as "stable."   I think there was a period of time where the cancer remained the same size, but then it took off and grew rapidly. 

himalaya

Zuvart, i will buy today D3, selenium, zink.

I started with coffee enema, drinking organic green juices few cups per day  since couple of weeks,avoid junk food,do yoga, pranayama,today also i will start with flaxseed and cottage chease.

Also im using some mixture of ayrvedic medicine, some 5 ingreadients.I got 4kg for 6 months , brought from india when i was there for one month.

Over all my mind is very peacefull, no panic, no fear, just a observation , deep thinking about people, life, my body, collecting info, wondering how many ways people use in case of cancer.

I have been to so many doctors(very different doctors) in 3 different countries, and im going next week to 4th country--germany for naturopath checkup.

And yes spain is not far from me, we are phoning each other, it seems that the same tests i can do in germany with my daughters doctor for price 75 eur, where in spain it costs 300 eur, plus bigger traveling.To germany need to travel 3, 4 hours only.

suzieq60

Himalaya - none of the things you are trying to do will kill that cancer - you must have it removed. None of the ladies here would ever recommend not having surgery.

himalaya

Ladies here not recomend, but some  doctors recomend not to cut but treat that friendly for body.

That is confusing for me.

And when i saw my family members letting doctors  cut by force and then agressive chemo, rads, etc...that was nor friendly for body at all.

So much suffering since they got surgery...and soon death...

i know its my life and my experience, my observation, so---my feelings based on facts what i saw in my family. 

Promises from doctors didnt work.They promised that cancer is gone, for sure need some chemo to make it 101% sure.

But t hat was not true.

They told that they will die within a year if they dont go to surgery, but they died in few months folowing all procedures.

.....

so...

suzieq60

You haven't told us the type of cancer or how advanced it was for those relatives. You will not die from a lumpectomy or mastectomy if you are a healthy person. Maybe it was too late for them. It's not too late for you now if you go ahead and have the surgery, but the longer you delay, the more trouble you will be in.

She

There used to be a woman on the WebMD breast cancer board following the Budwig Protocol.  If I remember correctly she was following it for quite some time without progression.  She always responded to questions.  It's worth checking out, but I haven't been there for a long time so you may have to do some searching.

abigail48

just read the first page of this, (running late), seems to me no one can know what "causes" it to return.  seems to me that cottage cheese has a gread deal of milk sugar.  my mother about lived on it her whole life & never got cancer.  did get a bad heart & osteoporosis

himalaya

My sister wa in stage 0 colon cancer, they cut the peace out and said its gone forever and no worries, lucky you came early...after few weeks of chemo and rads she suddenly got mets in lungs and in few more weeks she died.All together was less than half year.Age the same as mine now, she was 12 years elder than i am..

My MIL was age 65 when she was in stage 1 breast cancer .Doc say that its a 1st stage, early stage, age is big, cancer will not develope fast, surgery will be succesfull, lets take all lymphnodes out for sure and live till 100 years age.(the same story thety tell me).

So she got soon mets in bones.

And she got heavy reactions from chemo, rads, swollen arm, deesy, pain, womiting, she was living in our house, i was taking care of here day and night.

maybe she could live some longer, but her children decided that is not living but existing, life like  a plant.They sighned the papier that they want her to finish suffering. Last days she spend in hospital and died from hunger.Because my husband and other family members wanted her to stop such a living.And you know that in holland there is a law who let kids decide parents death.And other way round---parents can decide how long kid can live.

In india its a crime, but here its ok, they say its human.

So in both cases was early stage and good promises.Quick painfull ending.Specialy for my MIL that she died abit by force from her kids side.Pitty he.

pupmom

himalaya, I don't understand who you are trying to convince. Yourself perhaps? Why do you keep posting your anecdotal family history, which, although tragic and very sad, is not statistically significant in terms of making treatment decisions. If you have made up your mind to commit suicide, why try to convince the rest of us that this is a good move. NOBODY, with an ounce of common sense, is going to approve not having surgery to treat invasive breast cancer. So I don't understand your motive here. Do you need attention? Are you still struggling with your choices and want us to talk you down from your self-imposed cliff? We have all suffered from this disease and want to be there for others. But when somebody seems hell bent to NOT help herself it's difficult to make the effort. 

I wish you the best but really don't understand where you are coming from. 

himalaya

yurkie mom , somebody asked me explane my sisters and MIL stage and other things, so i did.

It was not a personal letter to you but a coment for them who wanted to know that.

If its funny(anecdote) for you , thats alright for me.Everybody see other people suffering in different way, for some is anecdote, forsome is lesson,for some is just statistics.Some maybe has tears in the eyes.I dont blame you that you see that fact as an anecdote.Im here to read all coments and observe.Its my time to make desision and i will do that sooner or later.No worries.

himalaya

If somebody else feel anoing with my posts, please let me know, i will not post anything anymore. I dont need attention or love from you, just a sharing of experience and some good ideas(which i got a lot here).

Thank you.

pupmom

himalaya, I did not say your family history was funny, far from it. I had a dear aunt and dear father who died from cancer. Although these events were tragedies for me, I would not use them to infer anything about cancer treatment. Anyway, as I said people want to help you, but nobody can figure out how or if you even want our help.

God bless. 

himalaya

You asked me:

"Why do you keep posting you anecdotal family history" doesnt mean that is funny anecdote for you?

In Europe anecdotes are funny.

pupmom

Anecdotal does not mean funny here. It means something personal and/or off topic. Also can mean something that does not mean a lot in terms of probability. In this case that would be the probability of  cause and effect relationships regarding breast cancer and its treatment options.

himalaya

if  somebody ask you a question here in forum, and you answer them here in forum, means something personal or offtopic?

sweetbean

Yes, himalaya, in America, the word "anecdote" just means "story."  So yorkiemom was referring to your personal family story, not implying that it was funny in any way.

That being said, I can understand why you are so reluctant to have conventional treatment. The stories of your family member sounds like nightmares.  I would still urge you to have the surgery, even if you opt out of all other conventional treatment.  Even the most hard-core, dedicated alternative doctors in the US advocate having surgery and reducing the tumor load on the body. 

 I wish you the best and I hope you beat this cancer.  If you pursue the alternative route, please find treatments that have significant success behind them, rather than one or two people saying that it worked for them. 

CancerStinks

Hello all,  I started this thread on alternative treatment forum and am sad that the tone of so many of the recent posts have become rather, well, mean. For myself, I have chosen the best of western medicine, but up to a point, and have decided in my journey that surgery and radiation with doctors I trusted and that spoke the same language as me in familiar settings were the clear choice for me; but now that I am NED I am looking seriously at other options.  We all want the same thing for ourselves and others who have this disease. So please, I am asking for people to refrain from cruel posts that basically tell people they are "wrong" in their thinking just because they choose for themsleves differently than an individual might choose for her self. Also:  please consider PMing someone if you feel the need to "tell them off" or dismiss them with a "I'm through with you!" (Please just don't respond if you are through!) as I personally take no offense at what someone posts when they are searching for information, but I do take offense at posts that bully someone by telling them on an open forum that they are foolish or that noone would choose what they choose.  This is the alternative forum.  I hope we can  all choose to respect that. Thanks.

itsjustme10

Himalaya, I completely understand why you're so afraid to have surgery, and in your shoes I might feel the same way.

 But, there are explanations for everything.  Colon cancer is different than breast cancer, but if your sister got mets while on chemo, that means they were there before chemo and surgery but not causing her any problems, so the doctor didn't see them.  I don't know what scans she had, but these days its quite common to give patients PET scans, which check the major organs for mets prior to treatment.  The same thing with your mother-in-law.  Did she have scans?  Maybe those bone mets were there before treatment?  If they took all of her lymph nodes, they must have suspected the cancer was already in the nodes.  The other thing is you are not related to your MIL - so her disease and your disease have no commonality.

We don't know these answers, but think about this - the longer you put off the surgery, the greater the chance that you'll have a problem - please get that part done as soon as possible, to not give it a chance to metastasize. 

We can all argue about treatments that have benefit or not after you get the cancer cut out of you.  

himalaya

itsjustme, thank you.

One more thing, i tried to find a topic about vitamin D3 intake(how much, what kind, etc) but cant find it anymore...Please somebody give  the link .

himalaya

thank you, cancerstinks, for suport and understanding.

himalaya

ok, i found it---its 2K IU D3.

now need to convert to European micrograms...here is daily dosis 10 micrograms for normal people.

Ang7

I really do not think the ladies on here are trying to be mean to himalaya.

Getting the cancer out of your body does seem to be the protocol for alternative and conventional treatments.

At least that is my experience here in Virginia...

himalaya~

I had a friend die during her cancer treatment so I do understand your fear.

The fact that we are all different needs to be a part of your decision making process.

I really hope you can find a doctor that you can relate to and that cares about you as a person.

That made all the difference for me with my decisions.

himalaya

Thanks ang, i felt from other topic tha i realy dont fit here, people say im not educated, im a troll, ditto, foriegn,and much more.

Thank you to everybody who was sweet to me and suporting.

Goodbye.

candygurl

Yorkie and sweetbean,

Choose your words wisely!

Anecdote

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An anecdote is a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person. It may be as brief as the setting and provocation of a bon mot. An anecdote is always presented as based in a real incident^[1] involving actual persons, whether famous or not, usually in an identifiable place. However, over time, modification in reuse may convert a particular anecdote to a fictional piece, one that is retold but is "too good to be true". Sometimes humorous, anecdotes are not jokes, because their primary purpose is not simply to evoke laughter, but to reveal a truth more general than the brief tale itself, or to delineate a character trait in such a light that it strikes in a flash of insight to its very essence. Novalis observed "An anecdote is a historical element - a historical molecule or epigram".^[2] A brief monologue beginning "A man pops in a bar..." will be a joke. A brief monologue beginning "Once J. Edgar Hoover popped in a bar..." will be an anecdote. An anecdote thus is closer to the tradition of the parable than the patently invented fable with its animal characters and generic human figures- but it is distinct from the parable in the historical specificity which it claims.

Anecdotes are often of satirical nature. Under the totalitarian regime in the Soviet Union numerous political anecdotes circulating in society were the only way to reveal and denounce vices of the political system and its leaders. They made fun of such personalities as Lenin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and other Soviet leaders. In contemporary Russia there are many anecdotes about Vladimir Putin.^[3]

candygurl

Himalaya, 

It's clear that your mind is made up. You don't want to end up suffering the way your relatives did, and that you are going above and beyond to heal your body at the cellular level. I get that.  That's refreshing to see. (ETA for clarity.  It is refreshing to see someone actually go above and beyond to heal at the cellular level.) There are countless hoity-toity women here who choose to do chemo and radiation  and wolf down fistfuls of harmful drugs  because they are "saving their lives", but who refuse to  get off the couch and exercise, put down the glass of wine or give up coffee  to get on the path to healing. Once you figure out who those posters are, you'll stop wasting energy responding to them.  Your time and energy could be better spent researching and figuring out what your next steps are going to be and taking care of yourself.

In case you have not read it, here is the 100-page Budwig Guide. http://www.budwigcenter.com/downloads/budwig-cancer-guide.pdf  

Hugs,  

Z

ETA: I'm going to BUMP the vitamin d thread for you. Read it from the beginning.

pupmom

zuvart, and your point is.....? I did NOT mean the word anecdote to indicate himilaya's (anecdotal) relating of her family's suffering was humorous. In the definition you cited it clearly says the point is not necessarily humorous, but indeed can be quite serious.

If you want to enable suicidal behavior that's your perogative. I won't. That said, I'm out of this stupid, circular firing squad, discussion. 

candygurl

My point is you have no home training. Himalalya did nothing to you, but you feel the need to insult her. Do you even know what the word "enable" means. Read my posts. (LOL) You are confusing "enable" with "respect"!

Ang7

zuvart~

How is it "refreshing to see" when she has not found a good doctor that she feels confident with?

I think it would be very difficult to try to do your breast cancer treatment all by yourself.

Yes, changing your diet and exercise after surgery etc. is a good recommendation.

But having the surgery would be the first step.

Or at least finding a doctor that could monitor her throughout her process.

suzieq60

I asked Himalaya about her relatives because I wanted to know what made her so frightened of surgery. I can understand her fears now I know what happened to them. BUT none of us should support her decision to not have surgery or say it's "refreshing to see" no matter what treatment options we have chosen. No way is a diet is going to get that cancer out of her breast.