Alternative medicine remains an ethics-free zone

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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    no.  for 25 years I let no one touch me but my biker & that's not going to change.

    other foods?  my bete noir:  half & half.  Only organic now, & no other kind of dairy, (I do eat eggs, havn't eaten red meat in nearly 40 years, do eat fish now) not sure if the half & half causes discomfort.  the pain is okay, the other kind isn't

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Abigail, can you touch the tumour, how big does it feel to you?

    Just know that we're all here for you and care about you Smile hugzzzzz

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Stupefying stats in a report called Death by Medicine. Has there been improvement since ? I'd wager not

    The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million.

    The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million.

    The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936.

    It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the
    United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.

    As few as 5 percent and only up to 20 percent of iatrogenic acts are ever reported.This implies that if medical errors were completely and accurately reported, we would have a much higher annual iatrogenic death rate than 783,936. Dr. Leape, in 1994, said his figure of 180,000 medical mistakes annually was equivalent to three jumbo-jet crashes every two days. Our report shows that six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky ach and every day. 

    What we must deduce from this report is that medicine is in need of complete and total reform: from the curriculum in medical schools to protecting patients from excessive medical intervention.

    We are fully aware that what stands in the way of change are powerful pharmaceutical companies, medical technology companies, and special interest groups with enormous vested interests in the business of medicine.

    They fund medical research, support medical schools and hospitals, and advertise in medical journals. With deep pockets they entice scientists and academics to support their efforts. Such funding can sway the balance of opinion from professional caution to uncritical acceptance of a new therapy or drug.

    A 2003 study found that nearly half of medical school faculty, who serve on institutional Review Boards (IRB) to advise on clinical trial research, also serve as consultants to the pharmaceutical industry. The authors were concerned that such representation could cause potential conflicts of interest. (Do you think?)

    Dr. Erik Campbell, the lead author, said, "Our previous research with faculty has shown us that ties to industry can affect scientific behavior, leading to such things as trade secrecy and delays in publishing research. It's possible that similar relationships with companies could affect IRB members' activities and attitudes.

    The ABC report said that one measurable tie between pharmaceutical companies and doctors amounts to over $2 billion a year spent for over 314,000 events that doctors attend.

    The ABC report also noted that a survey of clinical trials revealed that when a drug company funds a study, there is a 90 percent chance that the drug will be perceived as effective whereas a non-drug company-funded study will show favorable results 50 percent of the time. It appears that money can't buy you love but it can buy you any "scientific" result you want. The only safeguard to reporting these studies was if the journal writers remained unbiased. That is no longer the case.

    Cynthia Crossen, writer for the Wall Street Journal in 1996, published Tainted Truth: The Manipulation of Fact in America, a book about the widespread practice of lying with statistics. Commenting on the state of scientific research she said that, "The road to hell was paved with the
    flood of corporate research dollars that eagerly filled gaps left by slashed government research funding." Her data on financial involvement showed that in l981 the drug industry "gave" $292 million to colleges and universities for research. In l991 it "gave" $2.1 billion

    Jerry Phillips, associate director of the Office of Post Marketing Drug risk Assessment at the FDA, confirms this number. "In the broader area of adverse drug reaction data, the 250,000 reports received annually probably represent only five percent of the actual reactions that occur." Dr. Jay
    Cohen, who has extensively researched adverse drug reactions, comments that because only five percent of adverse drug reactions are being reported, there are, in reality, five million medication reactions each year. 

    In a NEJM study an alarming one-in-four patients suffered observable side effects from the more than 3.34 billion prescription drugs filled in 2002 

    Reuters also reported that prior research has suggested that nearly five percent of hospital admissions--over 1 million per year--are the result of drug side effects. 

    Another aspect of scientific medicine that the public takes for granted is the testing of new drugs. Unlike the class of people that take drugs who are ill and need medication, in general, drugs are tested on individuals who are fairly healthy and not on other medications that can interfere with findings. But when they are declared "safe" and enter the drug prescription books, they are naturally going to be used by people on a variety of other medications and who also have a lot of other health problems.

    Then, a new Phase of drug testing called Post-Approval comes into play, which is the documentation of side effects once drugs hit the market. In one very telling report, the General Accounting Office (an agency of the U.S. Government) "found that of the 198 drugs approved by the FDA between 1976 and 1985 ... 102 (or 51.5 percent) had serious post-approval risks ... the serious post-approval risks (included) heart failure, myocardial infarction, anaphylaxis, respiratory depression and arrest, seizures, kidney and liver failure, severe blood disorders, birth defects and fetal oxicity, and blindness."

    With five scientifically documented books totaling over 2,800 pages, Dr. Gofman provides strong evidence that medical technology, specifically X-rays, CT scans, mammography, and fluoroscopy, are a contributing factor to 75 percent of new cancers. Dr. Gofman predicts that 100 million premature deaths over the next decade will be the result of ionizing radiation.

    Scientists used the excuse that there were never enough studies revealing the dangers of DDT and other dangerous pesticides to ban them. They also used this excuse around the issue of tobacco, claiming that more studies were needed before they could be certain that tobacco really caused lung cancer. Even the American Medical Association (AMA) was complicit in suppressing results of tobacco research. In 1964, the Surgeon General's report condemned smoking, however the AMA refused to endorse it. What was their reason? They needed more research. Actually what they really wanted was more money and they got it from a consortium of tobacco companies who paid the AMA $18 million over the next nine years, during which the AMA said
    nothing about the dangers of smoking. 

    In his book, "Preventing Breast Cancer," Dr. Gofman says that breast cancer is the leading cause of death among American women between the ages of 44 and 55. Because breast tissue is highly radiation-sensitive, mammograms can cause cancer. The danger can be heightened by a woman's genetic makeup, preexisting benign breast disease, artificial menopause, obesity, and
    hormonal imbalance.

    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/aug2006_report_death_01.htm 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    I know about that movie, maud. but I've not seen it.

    joy said that reoccurrance came whether radiation was used or not.  but how many who didn't choose radiation had xrays to discover where of if it had spread, the maker of that movie has said 1 xray can cause cancer.  in 02 as I recall I thought well maybe I will get my teeth fixed.  I allowed 1 xray, the dentist didn't put a lead apron over my lap, the machine was aimed down to my front teeth, & to????????the next day my back went ojut

    & mri.......are they north magnets?  they are the curative kind.  & have studies been fount to show the machine does/does not cause medical trouble?

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    it's on a cyst in my right breast.  the cyst has been there for many many years, (more story I don't feel like telling), it got hard at somepont in the last 5 or 6 years, it's about the size of a walnut, then last year I guess at this time a red spot appeared, then 2, & both have grown a bit, doubled I guess

    ice cubes in a ziplock bag, aopled when discomfort gets bad, gives several hrs usually of relief.

    I did a paper on vincas many years ago, may get it out & copy it for you here, I remember the type here isn't active, the active variety is vinca rocacea I think it's called, & that's the cind used for vinblastasine & the other vinca chemo.  It's grown in africa.  I actually had a plant a friend brough back from turkey for me many years ago again, but I couldn't keep it going here

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Abigail, I don't even want to know how much radiation from scans, x-rays, MRI, radio therapy since my dx Frown  I'm sure I glow in the dark ! and it could very well be with all the rest (surgery, chemo, tamox) my demise in the end.  Either way, cancer is a b***ch !!!

    I'm really sorry you find yourself in this situation, am sorry for all of us, I'm sure we didn't deserve this sh**t

    That would be lovely of you, but how are you going to copy ?  I never heard of vincas, maybe you could try to give us a brief review of your paper in a few paragraphs, I know that's hard to do, but then to type your whole report is a huge job

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    it's only a page or so long.  there are 2 vinca chemos joy gave the links to, both are from periwinckle.

    but I'm off to the studio for several days tomorrow.  have to carry very heavy, my excercise for the day.  I don't drive but may get a ride from the farm store man.

    how old are you?  or is that posted?

    I'll ba back here th.  there's no tv, computer or phone at the studio.  no distractions except the radio

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    there ar 2 kinds of vitamin d, one better than the other

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012
    OK ! we'll look forward to reading your post on vinca and to your return Abigail.  Wishing you a lot of tranquility and inspiration for more oils Wink I'm 55, I know......you could be my mother, not my grand-mother... Lol lol
  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    looks as though it's not going to be easy to find that folder.  as usual.  everthing got moved here and there for the reunion last aug, but I'll find it probably th or f

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    I've looked for the vinca paper downstairs, so far can't find, must be in a box room, gotten cold again, so postpone search?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    yes, Abigail, don't break your back, maybe I'll google a bit, you say it's periwinkle ?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Abigail, i sent you a Private Message

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    looked some more, yes vinca is periwinkle.  I know exactly the folder, I used it so many many times in the 70ies, it'll turn up but don't know when

    will check pm's now

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    it was sooooooo current.  it's 2 pags long.  I guess I'll excerpt it on the wing:  Soma Joy (!) of the ground.  & I guess if the vinblastasines are used for end stage it wouldn't be known if they zapped hair as hair would already be zapped.

    information collected 1979?, 1982? etc.

    1. the occult property of herbs by wb crow ny 1969npn46:  "  the Hindues said soma was the drink of the gods but it was well known to be nothing more than the juice of Asclepias" a plamt of the periwinkle family.

    just read the whole 2 pgs, abstracting pg 1:  stops bleeding hemhorrage inflamation. from david conway - the magic of herbs:  this is about my favorite herbal.........frodm several plants of the vinca family is obtained the drug vinblastine sulphate now being tested for hodgkins disease.  ( there's some magic lore about it, & several kinds of periwinkle mentioned.  botanical descriptions

    pg. 2.  Cantharanthus roseus formerly vinca rosea (this is the plant I had for awhile), contains resperin, vinblastine & vincristine.  the latter 2 are capable of inhibiting the division of cells associated with different forms of cancer........state of euphoria with some halucinations of a pleasant nature..........(ibogaine indole)   (C.lanceus (sp?) = 5% + yohimbine.  (an afrodesiac).

    unfortunately the "high" obtained from smoking cantharanthus has severely debilitating side effects:  ataxia, loss of hair (!) skin sensations, burning sensations & muscle deterioration follow extended use of this plant material.  one of the immediate manifestations is a reduction n the white blood cell count......crude plant material of cantharanthus used by individuals for experimental euphoria can be extremely dangerous.

    from wb crow:  an arrow poison used by the zuluz comes from the genus Acokantheria of the periwinkle family.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Wow, thanks a bunch for typing all that Abigail,  vinca rosea sounds pretty potent !! How would you use it Abi? Do you think an extract (if it can be found) would be too strong diluted with some other liquid ?  But I'd take the states of euphoria and aphrodisia any day...lol

    Maybe soma is gentler if it's compared to the drinks of the gods 

    I'm even afraid of using rosemary extract internally.....

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    I'm thinking of topically most of the time, aside from the mega green tea & the olive tea decoction. not sure you could get that form of vinca, I still plan to grab a bunch up the mt take it to the studio, wash it good (the water is beter there) juice it, sdd the pulp & then? what?? if it's irritating probably shouldn't use it topically untill this current trouble resolves & that could take a while

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    all together now:  "we want kary mullis!!".  if he could invent the pcr viral reproducing technology he could get the gene(s) of strands of dna & find a way to zap them

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