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  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited November 2011
    I have wondered about running as well.  We have a trampoline at our house and I often jump with my kids, so I figure I am getting a little bit of rebounding in, but thinking that running jostles me in much the same way??? At least it feels like it, my old bones tell me!!!Wink 
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    A rebounder is the best exercise for the immune system

    Monday, January 31, 2011 by: Melissa Makris

    "It is important to note that any kind of exercise will keep the lymphatic system flushed, but the rebounder is the most efficient way to move lymph fluid around. This is because bouncing, a vertical motion exercise, smoothly opens and closes the one-way valves that make up the lymphatic system. Most other exercises, like walking or jogging, are dominated by horizontal movements that are not as effective at moving lymph."

    http://www.naturalnews.com/031159_rebounding_lymph_system.html#ixzz1f2I6N4r1

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited November 2011

    Princess is right.  Rebounding is different than any other form of cardio.  I have a rebounder, but I don't have any place to store it in my apartment, so right now it is living under my bed. I'm going to bring it over to my sister's house and keep it in her basement, next to the treadmill.  I'm over there every day, so I will actually use it more if it is out over there vs.  put away over here.  Also, my niece and sister will use it, which makes me happy.  My niece is 7 and recently asked for a veggie sandwich for lunch (following my example.)  She also declared that she loves juicing.  I need to make her juices that are more delicious than the ones I drink, though - to get her really into it. I was thinking of kale,  broccoli, watermelon, and apple.  :)

     I read alot about the FOCC, but get nervous about adding dairy into my diet.  It seems to be the one thing everyone says to stay away from.  Does the flaxseed oil somehow negate the casein? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    sweet bean, I'm using kefir instead of cottage cheese.  I only eat or drink fermented milk products. I read somewhere that it is ok to use kefir for FOCC.  

    Kefir Inhibits Progression of Breast Cancer

    A surprising effect of drinking kefir is the possibility that it slows breast cancer cell growth. A study published in the 2007 issue of the "Journal of Medicinal Food" found that kefir is beneficial in suppressing the growth of breast cancer cells in animals. In this study, kefir proved more beneficial than yogurt and pasteurized cow's milk. Studies have not been performed on humans yet, but scientists feel that this discovery is promising in the future treatment and prevention of breast cancer.

    Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/116946-benefits-kefir-grains/#ixzz1azN4wUv3

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    I think you can substitute the cottage cheese with un-denatured whey too

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited November 2011

    Interesting!  Were you hormone positive?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Yes. I can't use flax seed oil because for some reason it makes me break out, so I've been using hemp seeds and hemp oil instead.

    On the budwigsvideos site, there are variations of the recipe. This is one of the five.  Variation #5 - Instead of cottage cheese, use drained yogurt, kefir or German quark.  View the video for draining yogurt and making cheese. The same method applies to kefir.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited November 2011

    interesting!  My naturopath told me to absolutely avoid flaxseed oil, so I do.  You know what makes me break out?  Apple cider vinegar.  It's supposed to cleanse the system, but it gives me the worst "can't-take-your-eyes-off-it-people-keep-talking-to-my-chin-if-it-gets-any-bigger-it's-going-to-be-included-in-next-census" acne.  I have no idea why.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited November 2011

    Good explaination of rebounding Princess. Yes, it is the best exercise we can do for the reasons stated. Plus it is fun! Any movement will move the lymph, but the rebounding opens and closes the little valves that push the lymph through the system faster and more efficiently than anything else.

    I read somewhere that the cottage cheese (organic of course) is okay, even for those of us who do not do dairy. But I can't remember the details. I tried the kefir yogurt, and it was not something I could get down. I have always hated yogurt, so this was no different. However, I am learning to make water kefir. I am part of a nutrition group that is making it next week, so I will let you know. I really liked the taste I had at our last meeting.

  • stage1
    stage1 Member Posts: 475
    edited November 2011

    I did flaxseed oil for a couple years for dry eye and then I came down with BC.  Since studies are inconclusive, and flaxseed, from what I understand, are a phytoestrogen.  So, since I am ER+, I think it best to stay away from the flaxseed oil.  I am not sure that Dr. B, has any info on that, as I did not read and study the whole site, yet.

  • shelleydodt
    shelleydodt Member Posts: 78
    edited November 2011

    Would love granola bar recipe! Email is sdodt@me.com thanks!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Stage 1, apparently there are many BC patients who are using FOCC. Leia who is ER+ has been using it for several years.She recently had a full body thermogram and she's doesn't have any signs of cancer.  Hopefully, she'll chime in and explain because I don't get how eatting flax seed oil everyday could be beneficial for us.  

    ETA

    Vivre, welcome, many people cannot digest cottage cheese because it is high in indigestible alpha-casein. That's why  variations of the FOCC were created. However, those  who are lactose intolerant can often tolerate fermented dairy products, such as yogurt, kefir, etc., because they are predigested and, therefore, more easily metabolized.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2011

    sweatbean, I wonder if the acne is a detox reaction.  In the beginning, when I started using coconut oil on my skin and using infra red sauna, I would break out...mostly my torso.  Women will also have that reaction when they start iodine, etc.  It's the bad stuff exiting through your skin and even though it's not a desirable reaction, it may be an indication that whatever you are doing is working. 

  • Banba
    Banba Member Posts: 93
    edited November 2011

    Vivre,

    You mentioned saltwater and detox. I have done a variation, a little bit more severe and time consuming yoga version of it it three times and for me it worked really well.

    Obviously your body and mind need to be onboard with it, if you know what I mean. Make smart informed choices :D

    Basically you drink hot water with salt(should taste approx like tears). Lukewarm makes you want to throw up so try and make it really warm. It wasn't half as bad as I thought it would be.

    I'll post a link at the end but the theory is to drink a big glass(I use pink glasses), do four-six yoga asanas and then bathroom. You loop this circle until your urine is clean. It ususally takes anything from 15(!) pints and up. It usually take me at least 5 hours. It is truly amazing how much...eh, junk was in there.

    Be kind to your digestive system after. It is recommended to eat clarified butter but oil may be a good substitute and some light porridge. 

    Of course I have felt the effects of detoxing(chills, cold symphoms, light headed etc), and I think it is good to do it together with sb and to have somebody "serving" - boiling the water, couching gently. I got a bit silly from just feeling light and happy. :)

    http://yoga-health-benefits.blogspot.com/2009/07/cleaning-your-colon-yoga-for-colon.html

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited November 2011

    impositive,

    maybe, but honestly, there was no way I could stick it out.  It went on for months and I looked AWFUL.  I didn't have that reaction to iodine or coconut oil.  Just wasn't worth it.   

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Google  these studies

    Flaxseed oil reduces the growth of human breast tumors (MCF-7) at high levels of circulating estrogen.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20425756

    Tamoxifen and Flaxseed Alter Angiogenesis Regulators in Normal ...

    www.plosone.org/./info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Occasionally I do saltwater flushes to draw out toxins. This is the recipe I use.

    • 2 teaspoons sea salt
    • 1 quart lukewarm water

    Drink the entire quart of salt and water first thing in the morning. This must be taken on an empty stomach. A straw makes it way easier to drink. (Trust me!) The salt and water will quickly and thoroughly wash the entire digestive tract in several hours. Multiple eliminations will likely occur. So don't make plans to go anywhere. After drinking the saltwater, lie on your right side for 30 minutes.  You should have an elimination in 1 to 2 hours.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    Kinda like that stuff you have to drink before you get a colonoscopy!  Trust me, it works!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Breast Choices.org - Four Breast Detox Strategies

    1. Iodine and Breast Detox

    The editors of this website consider iodine a first line strategy for healing the
    breast. Iodine in the form of Lugol's Solution , Iodoral or even tincture of iodine has
    reduced swollen, tender, fibrocystic breasts in every woman in the online group
    who has experienced breast pain or swelling.

    Women applied several drops of iodine to the breasts with a Q-Tip each day until
    the pain and swelling diminished then found a comfortable maintenance dose.
    Reduction of symptoms took from 24 hours to 3 months. If you are allergic to iodine
    consult an iodine-literate physician.

    See the Iodine Page for a more comprehensive explanation and documentation.

    2. Reduce bra wearing, reduce lymphatic congestion.

     Is wearing a bra a risk factor for developing breast cancer?

    According to Elizabeth Vaughn, MD, at www.brafree.org, the answer is yes.

    In the November 4, 1978 issue of Lancet, John Douglass, MD,  from the Southern
    California Permanente Medical Group, tactually noted the breast temperatures of
    550 women after bra removal.  Large, bra-encased breasts were hotter than smaller
    ones, but braless breasts, large, medium, or small, were cool.  Observing that men
    with undescended testes have a high cancer incidence due to glandular tissue
    overheating, and testicular cancer increasing markedly after men began wearing
    hotter jockey-type underwear, he suggested that a similar mechanism was at work
    with breast cancer.  If women keep their breasts hot, they develop more cancer.

    In the early 1990s, medical anthropologists, Sydney Singer and Soma
    Grismaijer, studied 4,500 women in 5 cities across the U.S. about their habits in
    purchasing and wearing bras, and later published their findings in the book,
    Dressed to Kill. Though the study did not take into account other lifestyle factors,
    the results are too striking to be denied:

    1.  If you wear a bra 24 hours a day, you have a 3 out of 4 chance of
    developing breast cancer.

    2.  If you wear a bra more than 12 hours,  you have a 1 out of 7 chance of
    developing breast cancer.

    3.  If you wear a bra less than 12 hours a day, you have a 1 out of 15 chance
    of developing breast cancer.

    4.  If you wear a bra rarely or never, you have a 1 out of 168 chance of getting
    breast cancer.

    Suggestions:

    Consider substituting a tank top, or camisole. Check the lingerie section of
    department stores for bra alternatives which are becoming more popular.

    If you do wear a bra, try to shorten the hours that you wear it.


     3. Thermograms and Homeopathy Detox     

    At the September 2005 National Homeopathic Association at Duke University,
    Dr. Bruce Shelton presented slides of a sample of patients who had non-malignant
    breast changes and used homeopathy to help detox their breasts.  Homeopathic
    remedies are based upon the belief that small doses of medicine, herbs, or both
    may stimulate the immune system. Using homeopathic remedies solely to detoxify
    their breasts for a minimum of three months, these patients improved and
    reversed some of their non-malignant changes as seen on before and after
    thermograms.

    A digital thermogram, which is radiation-free, is a heat-seeking camera that
    develops a color image on a computer screen based upon temperature
    differentials on the surface of any area of the body. The rapid growth in malignancy
    causes the body to need more blood supply and even to grow new blood vessels,
    and this extra blood and blood supply make a distinctive heat pattern.

    According to Dr. Shelton, the value of using thermograms is that there is an ability
    to make an early diagnosis of breast abnormalities, such as fibrocytic disease and
    lymphatic congestion, before these abnormalities can be felt by self-examination or
    seen on a mammogram. Early diagnosis leads to early treatment of these
    abnormalities to help ensure that they will not progress to cancer.

    Every woman who has a mammogram is elated to find out that she does not have
    cancer.  But what if the mammogram shows benign changes? She might take her
    chances and wait until the next year before she gets another mammogram.  
    Dr. Shelton emphatically advises every woman at the first sign of problems, to
    be proactive. Take control of your body. Work to reverse the abnormalities before
    any potential cancer can arise.

    While Dr. Shelton's patients use a variety of detox methods, such as progesterone,
    metals' removal, and chelation, the sample of patients presented at the conference
    only used homeopathic remedies to detoxify their breasts. To deal with all levels
    of toxicity, Dr. Shelton devised a program using homeopathic remedies that target
    the liver, kidney, intercellular matrix, and the cell to help drain poisons from the
    body and help detox the breasts. After a minimum of three months, the results were
    promising.  All improved and were able to reverse some of the non-malignant
    breast changes as evidenced on the thermograms. (Drbruceshelton.com)

    [The website editors are in the process of preparing Dr. Shelton's slide show which
    demonstrates how homeopathic detox was visible on follow-up thermograms.]

    4. Reduce Personal Products
    Commercial deodorants and antiperspirants may block the protective detox
    mechanism of the armpit. Although breast cancer has never been linked directly to
    deodorants, parabens have been found in surgically removed breast tissue. Try
    health food brands and avoid aluminum, parabens, and propylene glycol
    (antifreeze) ingredients. Talc also been associated with ovarian cancer but has not
    yet been studied for breast cancer.
        Learn more  http://www.breastcancerchoices.org This is a great site!
  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2011

    wow sweatbean...months?  Yeah, dont think I would pursue that either, especially if it was facial acne.  After about a month, my symptoms subsided.  :)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    I use saltwater flushes maybe twice a year. More frequent would be more beneficial. I always feel great after and CLEAN, but getting the solution down is always problematic for me. Never thought of a straw. Duh! I literally gag when I drink it so I will try the straw next time!

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited December 2011

    I wore a bra 24/7 for a gazillion yrs.i wear a 34DD and they always got in my way...

    Another reason for bc.....well that makes about #5.

    Where was I when they were givin out this damn info???????

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    Lol Grannydukes, you're funny ;)



    KatyDee, I'm sure you're using sea, celtic or some other natural salts, but what about the kidneys taking a hit ? I'll look into it as I find this intriguing and presently starting to detox, but verrrry gently..

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2011

    Speaking of thermographys, I got mine yesterday!  Wont get results for a couple weeks.  Dang... I hate waiting.  It's so nice not to be handled, smooshed and smashed into some machine.  I felt like a playboy bunny, lol...."okay...turn this way...great...now that way....beautiful....hands above your head and face me...nice...okay, now put your hand on top of your breast and lift..we're done!"  My thermography tech is full of personality and she made me feel at ease.   

    I heard of the salt loading with the iodine protocol but never tried it.  Does it clean your kidneys, bowels or both?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    Lol !!! Impositive, playboy bunny, yep Vit C and co. must definitely be working hahaa

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    Impositive:  Once I get through this surgery, you can bet I will be getting thermographys instead of mammograms.  It just makes so much more sense to me.  Who knows what's lurking in there that can be caught early, before it gets out of control.  Please let us know the outcome.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited December 2011

    I found a thermography center here in my city, and I intend to use this instead of mammo. Hoping to get scheduled and have the thermo sent over to my BC's office in January.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2011

    impositive...are you also doing another pet scan? It's not easy getting insurance to approve them. The problem with getting a thermo is it is out of the pocket money. Wish the FDA approved it as standard care. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2011

    Eve, yes, I am doing another PET. I am told that they will aprove me every 3 months for "staging."  I hope that's the case.  Otherwise, I guess it's more out of pocket.  My thermography cost $225.  I will pay that any day, especially since I have a high deductible policy that usually doesn't cover mammos anyway (until I'm beyond my deductible of $10,000!).  My mammos usually ran about that much or a little more.  Maybe someday they will cover them....

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    impositive:  Good luck with your tests.  I wish you the best possible outcome!

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