INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours

Jazzygirl

Spookie- I would be a bit surprised to have an overweight doc tell me to loose weight. My sister is a primary care type doc and says most doctors won't even go there with patients as it will take up their whole time together.

I actually met with a diabetic nutritionist early last year when my AIC went borderline. After having me track my food for a month, reading my journal, seeing my blood work improve, she said you are doing fine and eating very well. I was not able to loose weight during that period either even with limiting carbs and dumping sugar. I do think my AIC went high when I went on the AIs (read some things about this), but things have since stabilized. I have read a lot of women end up diabetic after cancer treatment, and they suspect chemo and the anti-hormone meds play a role. Telling you, we can't win here!

It will be a very good day when we have a more integrated approach to health with more preventative measures, not meaning screening tests, but eduation for individuals on what each of us needs to have better health, what to eat, etc. Just think of all the years after they changed the food pyramid and we were all encouraged to eat more bread and grains. That did not work out so well! If you are exercising ALOT, you can burn those off, but most folks cannot.

The battle of the bulge continues.....

Spookiesmom

I've had the big D way before cancer. What you said about the RDs and CDEs pretty much is what I experienced too. I have an extremely low opinion of them now.

And the neuro guy was Chief of his dept at my hospital!!

Wren44

DD has type 2 diabetes and has been testing to see what various foods do to her blood sugar. One discovery was that artificial sweeteners raise her levels as much as sugar. Another was that even minute amounts of carbs raise the level. She can eat meat and vegetables, but rice, etc. is just poison. She's considering getting another dog just because it will force her to exercise. She previously owned a German Shepherd 'the size of a mini van'. She felt absolutely safe walking that dog at night.

I have to be in the right frame of mind to lose weight and that is hard to find. I lost about 10lbs after diagnosis but would be better off if I lost another 10.

Jazzygirl

My favorite thing to eat is a nice piece of grilled chicken or fish on some type of groovy salad! Love that combo!

Wren- I have heard that the diet sodas are as bad if not worse for you. They have something in them that make you want to eat more too! I stopped drinking those awhile back. I enjoy ice tea and water for cold drinks, Zero Vitamin Water for my work outs at the gym. I understand the comments about rice being poison. I cannot really eat much bread, pizza, pasta, etc. I am not a big fan of rice, but the other things I just LOVE! Everything in small quantities now.

I also think the carbonated beverages are not good for the bones.

kathindc

Thanks for the welcome back. Definitely missed the camaraderie. Introvert by nature so I was mostly a lurker. Have to learn to come out of that shell.

M0mmyof3

Yearly physical wasn't a good one for me yesterday. My regular doctor wasn't able to see me and he knows everything I have been going through these last two years since this crap started. He's never badgered my about my weight and he knows that I have had surgeries and its hard to rebound from not being able excercise much post-surgery until being cleared to do so. He's even told me that doing the little bit of walking that I was doing as the only excercise I was doing after the initial surgery for this crap was a start and to increase it when I could. Well, he has a new doctor working for him and this doctor proceeded to tell me that I am not going to lose weight or be healthier until I eat salad at every meal. I eat salad on a regular basis, like three times a week. The only thing I agreed to is to up the dosage on my blood pressure meds because at the dosage I have been at wasn't really doing much to help. The only bright spot of that whole doctor's visit was when I was leaving, my regular doctor saw me and said I look fantastic and he congratulated me on having the implants in finally! I so wish I had been able to see my regular doctor, because he is a peach and he knows I'm trying.

Chevyboy

http://on.aol.com/video/puppy-presents-bring-tears...

This is so cute! DD sent me this...... Morning all! Nothin' new here...

And HEY Kath! Good to see you back.... All these gals have a lot of good information... unlike me of course. I only know about Aloe Vera, Chocolate Cokes, Gardening and Chickens. So if I can help you with any of those things, just holler.

Going to go out in a bit... Have to wait until it starts to get light, to work on that parking.... Almost have it cleared, scraped, and leveled, THEN I'll do the easier stuff. I swear to DOG that little jelly-bean brain could fall down in all those weeds, and only think how beautiful those 2 "flowers" were... and then have a hard time getting back on her little Mary-Janes.

BUT my side is looking 100% better ALREADY! I would pat myself on the back if I could REACH it... My arms are all scratched up, and my hands are just SORE! But I am woman!

Jazzygirl

Mommy- sounds like you got the same lecture I did yesterday about weight and what I eat. It is upsetting and frustrating when the doctors talk to you about these things, because the conversation is always condescending. I already eat very well, and I exercise a lot. It is just hard to loose weight with all this stuff, and especially if you are on the AIs. It took me a long time to feel well enough to be able to do much with exercise but I found my way back. Doctors would be better to provide resources to you vs. lecture you. It helps nothing.

M0mmyof3

Well this morning I set a goal of the most grueling housework to do. Start to finish it took an hour and a half, but its done, saved the worst task for tommorrow, sweeping and mopping the kitchen floor! That takes a while because my kitchen runs the length of my house and so I have to do it in three sections. Thank goodness for having a Swiffer Wet Mop. No more bucket and mop to mess with! Who knows, maybe a bit later, I may have enough energy built up again to tackled the kitchen floor. I do all my housework while listening to music. Even housework in my book counts as excercise, cause you gotta move to get it done.

 

 

 

Loveroflife

🎶GoOD MOrning, 🎶gOOD MorNing🎶

You all need to find a doctor like this one

Jazzygirl

Mommy- are you familiar with MapMyWalk? It is a free app you can use to keep track of your exercise. I use it for everything from gym work outs, to steps, to bike rides, yoga class, yard work, you name it. It actually has things like housework and yard work you can track and log to include in your daily exercise. Anyone who has cleaned a house or yard knows these things are hard work and move your body a lot!

http://www.mapmywalk.com/

M0mmyof3

No, but have been tracking my steps on my IPod. I have set a goal of 1000 steps and every time I do over the goal I set for a day.

Spookiesmom

Come do my floors pleeeeeze? I have a Swiffer too.

PattyPeppermint

good morning friends

I am HOME!!!! Got home last night. Feeling so much better. Woohoo !!! Excruciating back pain is back. I miss the pain pump from hospital. It is just from laying down so much in those horrible beds even if it was an airbed. A couple days back home in my own comfy chair and couch and movement will have me back up in no time

Seriously ( wiping away tears ). I don't know how I would handle all of this crap without you guys and your support. Love ya guys so so much.

OK back to the silly stuff.

Hootie hoo

luvmygoats

Patty - Hootie Hoo back atcha. Yay for being back home. Love you bunches.

Jazzygirl

Patty- so glad to hear you are home. The bed situations in the hospital are awful. Gone is that horrible tube in your nose. I hope the pain pump helps.

Wren44

Patti, Glad to hear you're back home, but sorry the pain has returned. Hope you're right about moving around getting it to calm down.

Mommy, What kind of salad does the dicktor eat for breakfast? The majority of salads are just filling. If you add the good ingredients, the calorie count goes up. I wonder if doctors talk like that to their male patients.

My beef with weight is that as I lose height (scoliosis and age) the ideal weight goes down. I don't think that is fair. After all, my backbone is the same length even tho it doesn't appear to be.

Loveroflife

🎶Good Moring🎶GOOd MORNin🎶

It is a good morning indeed because our friend is home. Hope the back pain will go away soon. You mean they took the pump back anddidn't discharge you with fast acting pain pills?

M0mmyof3

Gentle hugs for ya Patty!

Well the kitchen floor will be done tommorrow, instead of doing that chore, I went outside and de-weeded my flower bed. Had to do it in halves as it pretty much did in my back. Now its just peel and cut up potatoes for dinner and my evening excercise before I call it a day.

Spookiesmom

Yay Patty!!!!

Have you thought about getting an implanted, permanent pain pump? Or the patches? I've heard both work well.

queenmomcat

Staples out today, hurray! And I feel better after only an hour--irritation where the staples were pulled out, to be sure, on top of an already irritated surgical site, but that WTF? I just brushed against a hard thing in my breast: feeling is gone.

Wren: I was kinda wondering about the salad for breakfast idea. Not impossible--it depends on what you eat for breakfast. But how come they can't just say "You need to eat more vegetables, let's figure out how you can do so in a healthy manner." (Salads don't work well for me because I have to drown them in dressing to choke them down, which defeats the purpose.)

Patti: sends up celebratory fireworks--you're home! And my spine sends your spine sympathy: no matter how much the doctors work with me, I still end up with nerve flareups...but all I have to deal with is being annoyed and worrying that I'll need another fusion.

Spookiesmom

Oh Wrenn, laughing at myself!!!!! Dicktor threw me, wasn't expecting to see that here!!!!!

Jazzygirl

Queen- every person who knows something about nutrition recommends protein for breakfast. Breakfast ramps up your metabolism and gets your body going. A heavy carb load for breakfast will set you up to be hungry all day. I have experimented with this and found it to be true. If I want to get some veggies into my breakfast, I will do an omelette, quiches, etc. I love scrambled eggs, a bit of cottage cheese and a bit of fruit for breakfast. Or yogurt too. Not sure I can eat salad for breakfast! Lunch and dinner is okay though!

Oh and protein is very important for healing. That I believe to be true and did high protein thorugh my surgery recovery. That might help you right now too.

luvmygoats

And the fat in those things will also help curb your hunger longer. I have the carbs and protein, toast and peanut butter lol.

queenmomcat

Jazzy: I'm totally on board with the 'get lots of protein' school. Two surgeries and six months of attempting to recover muscle mass after (mild!) atrophy means I'd already been looking for ways to include not just healthy proteins but ones that I would reliably eat. And cancer/cancer treatment thrown into the mix just makes that ever so much more important. But I've only realized in the last couple of months that a huge dollop of protein for breakfast helps me through the day. (For anyone else reading this, YMMV.)

How much? That depends on the person, I expect, but the general answer is "Almost certainly more than you're eating now." Caloric need, absent the stress of surgery? Activity level?

Jazzygirl

Queen- you sound all over it with the protein! Glad to hear it!

Luvmygoats- I love peanut butter.

luvmygoats

My most favorite yogurt is Cabot Greek vanilla bean. In fact I just polished off a dish of it with some dark chocolate granola sprinkled in it. Well not entirely true - I love Brown Cow and Yo Baby full fat but geesh a girl has to watch her calories somewhere.

Jazzygirl

Luvmygoat- funny you should mention Cabot yogurt. I discovered that brand recently and get the light ones as they have less calories and especially sugar. I love the peach lite yogurt myself. I agree Brown Cow and some of the other varieties of yogurt are super tasty, but way too caloric and sugary for this girl.

sas-schatzi

I'm worn out chasing windmills for 6 hours. Brains fried. We need to do a PM shower(just made that up). One to Rosie and one to Tang Keep it simple "Come back". Rosie we know why. Tang pops in. It can be overwhelming when gone awhile to think how to post. We don't care, just come.

Loverly, never saw IV caffeine used just read about it. Thought when I read it when I was on the floor(unit). We could just hook ourselves up and be good for the day. Floor nurses coffee sucks. We drink any old coffee. The kind that turns gray when you put cream in it. Ugh.

Jazzy, I always thought that food pyramid was for another world not our. I gain weight on two slices of bread a day. Course, my wine and beer don't help. Jazzy, they think they know they don't. Plus, medicare requires them to talk about stuff now that was required before. If you weight is on the chart, and a BMI that indicates overweight-----in order to get paid they have to show notations that they talked about it.

Wren, I figure your DD has looked at the glycemic index if she went into such detail. What was her personal finding with that? I used it with DH, but it was good. His blood sugar control was better.

Then I started him on OMEGA3 . Not for glycemic control, but overall health thingy and maybe improve insulin resistance. Low and behold his blood sugar started down. He was on 70 units of insulin a day. We tittered down 2 units every so many days. Weeks and weeks--forget how long. I thought he had gotten his PCP's permission to do this. When he came home and told me his PCP said he could go off insulin(Based on serial HBA1c's) is when I found out he didn't have permission to titer down. I told him he had been given a window. He was morbidly obese. He didn't have to go back on insulin for 5 years. Window closed.

Mommy, If you ever see that doc again. Try this. Ask him which lettuce has the most nutritional value. Pin him down on Iceberg. If hesays it good or fine. Then you know he doesn't know anything and is just spouting the party line. Same thing with celery.

Patty, hugs sweetie, Air beds can cause more back pain rather then less.

Queenie, If you want to learn how to post pics and links. We put together a bunch of instructions on W&F's

Have a nice afternoon gals

queenmomcat

Now contemplating Greek yogurt.....sweet tooth awakening....

Sas: pictures of anything in particular? (not 100% disengenous here)