I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

BarbaraA

Thanks, Bren!! So far so good. DH had a card sitting on my laptop this morning. He remembered!

IronJawedBCAngel

Happy Birthday, Barbara!  Enjoy your celebration of you and your birthday dinner.   However, after looking at your photo of the food on the cruise,  I don't think I would ever have gotten off of the ship!  Glad you had a wonderful time.

Bren-2007

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/30/jack-kingston-evolution_n_815909.html

"I came from God, not a monkey."  From a Bill Maher interview of Rep. Congressman Jack Kingston.

Interesting article. 

"I believe I came from God, not from a monkey so the answer is no," he said, laughing, when asked if he subscribes to the theory. Later in the segment he added, "I don't believe that a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being one day."

According to a Gallup poll released last month, 40 percent of Americans believe God is responsible for creating human life in its current form roughly 10,000 years ago.

The survey found that 52 percent of Republicans believe in creationism. 34 percent of Democrats and independents maintain the same view, the poll showed".

Enjoyful

Happy birthday, Barbara!!

Interesting, Bren.  People are, of course, entitled to their own beliefs.  I do hope he's not on a committee having anything to do with science, though. 

E

IronJawedBCAngel

It's interesting to me what happens when science meets religion.  I was married to a geologist for 23 years and don't understand entirely how people explain away the science behind evolution.  I do believe in God, but I think we use our perceptions to shape things as we want to see them,  Kind of like how Jesus is portrayed in most paintings vs what archeologists say he would have looked like.  If we can believe in an entity who has never been seen, why can we not believe he could have had a hand in making that evolutionary process take place?

Did you see the video of the gorilla walking upright like a man?  It was really pretty amazing.  He has better posture than my husband!

Enjoyful

I saw that video!  Amazing!  Apparently, his father and another close relative also walked upright.  Perhaps he should run for Congress!

IronJawedBCAngel

If he ran against McConnell, I would definitely vote for him!

Enjoyful

I do wish Chelsea Clinton would run for office.  I'd definitely vote for her!

1Athena1

Happy birthday Barbara!

Bren-2007

Glad to hear that God likes us! 

I saw the video of that gorilla.  He is really smart.

My brother is a civil engineer and still believes in creationism.  My sis studied geology for many years and just can't understand why our brother doesn't understand that science and God can be 'intertwined.'  That are not mutally exclusive. IMO.

Bren

Enjoyful

I agree, Bren, but when you believe the opposite of what science tells us, that's just....well, you can believe what you want, but I don't want that person sitting on a committee that has anything to do with science.

Bren-2007

E .. I agree with you .. I don't think Rep. Kingston should be on any science committees.

I believe in evolution and hard science ... doesn't mean that "God" can't fit in there somewhere.  I don't believe in Adam and Eve either.  I don't know this for sure, but I think the Bible was written long before geology was studied.  I wonder if those folks during biblical times ever dug up any dinosaur bones.

Bren

IronJawedBCAngel

Oh yes!  I too look forward to the day that Chelsea, aka "The Chosen One" ,  decides its time to run for office!

Not believing in evolution is something like believing the world is flat, and there is no global warming!

bluedahlia

Happy Birthday Barbara.

THese people gotta start watching Star Trek!

Bren-2007

Morning Blue .. you crack me up!

Barbara .. how was the cruise? Was it wonderful and warm and sunny  ... am so envious, but so glad you had a great vacation!

Bren

Medigal

Why couldn't we have come from God and a monkey?  Maybe we are products of the ones who evolved to walk upright and be able to talk.  Could be the ones we know today are just animals which haven't evolved they way they should.  Just like we have humans who have evolved spiritually and physically to do things many others can't, why can't it be that way in the animal kingdom?.  The monkey  especially, the gorrilla, is so much closer to what a human is than any other animal, imo. It doesn't bother me one bit to think I started off as a gorrilla.  I just think whatever we came from, God started us off on our journey and what matters is what we are today spiritually and physically.  What I am more interested in is what I will be in my next life and what my mission will be.  Depends upon how well I complete this mission, I guess.  Interesting topic.

Enjoyful

Here are some "Chelsea for President" doodads:

http://shop.cafepress.com/chelsea-for-president

bluedahlia

There are some monkeys I think are nicer than humans. They give it to you straight. Act decent or I'll rip you apart! Maybe they are closer to God than we are?

pip57

I would say yes to that ljh.  That is why we still have fish too.

YramAL

Medigal-

As usual, summed up perfectly!

Mary 

Bren-2007

That's exactly what Medigals post was about.  And we still have birds, which descended from dinosaurs.

Bren

Enjoyful

Could be, Blue.  Animals in general are more honorable, and have more integrity, than some humans.

revkat

My husband is a biology teacher and is currently in the unit on evolution. Every year there are some students who think if he just saw this video or heard this quip or read this book he would be a creationist. After 30 years he's so tired of it. He just keeps repeating that they are welcome to their religious beliefs, but this is a science class.

Here's an interesting article on how the creation-evolution controversy affects high school science teaching and contributes to overall science illiteracy in our society.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110127141657.htm 

" . . . many teachers expose their students to all positions, scientific and otherwise, and let them make up their own minds. This is unfortunate, the researchers said, because "this approach tells students that well established concepts can be debated in the same way we debate personal opinions." 

Bren-2007

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110127141657.htm

Revkat .. I copied your link so we would have direct access to it.

I thought this para was interesting as well.

The researchers note that more high school students take biology than any other science course, and for as many as 25 percent of high school students it is the only science course they will ever take, even though a sound science education is important in a democracy that depends on citizen input on highly technical, consequential, public policies.

revkat

Thanks, I need to learn how to do that. 

molly52

Our Aboriginals have a variety of creation stories.  One I heard is (in part) that we are all equal, the trees, animals, birds, bugs, fish, water, rocks, earth and people.  I like this.  It doesn't set us up as superior in any way.  Each has their own role to fulfill.

If all the animals, mamals, etc. evolved into human beings, what would the world be like?  How crowded, how sustainable?

BarbaraA

I am an evolution believer with a deeply spiritual side.

Thanks for the birthday wishes. If the food tonight looks great, I will post pix. I love food pix. So less fattening looking than eating it.

bluedahlia

Molly, I totally agree with you! Before the Europeans came here, the Aboriginals lived with the land...didn't take more than was needed to survive. They truly respected the animals and the land.

crazy4carrots

Wow!  Education sure has changed since I went to school.  We had to take Natural Science, Chemistry, Physics and Biology in high school.  Why aren't those mandatory today, I wonder?  Believe it or not, in our everyday life, what we learned (and remembered) in those subjects is frequently relevant!

Barbara -- Happy Birthday and warmest wishes for many, many more!

Alpal

I'm 63 and I am certain I've not used anything I learned in chemistry! I do frequently use baking soda and vinegar in slow moving drains, but I saw that on TV years after Chemistry I. Didn't take Physics, but did take Biology and Trig. I remember some of Biology but Trig???

Edited to wish Barbara a Happy Birthday!