I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2014
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014

    Oh how I like that Blue.   Good to see someone else posting.  Started to wonder  there for a bit. 

    Jackie


     

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014
  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014
  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited July 2014

    I'm here Jackie.  

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited July 2014

    Hello, I'm here too - just quiet.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014

    Nice to hear, I thought maybe it was something I said.  My annoyance with the GOP and many of the members of Congress, Bonkers Boehner, among others....just keeps me gritting my teeth it seems.  Dh told me he thinks Rick Perry wants to run for President again.....REALLY.  There is a better chance that there will be snowballs in hell, then that he could survive past a primary.   Anyway, I have put a lot of links in ( was having much trouble with some graphics -- hence the blue lines ) because my ability to believe that much stupidity is all coming from one area is magnificent.  Time for NO one to stay home from the polls. 

    Jackie

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited July 2014

    Let them run as many extremists as they want.  The comparison will be dramatic.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2014

    Jackie, I don't think you ever need to worry about offending anyone who reads here.  After all, as the Mods have clearly indicated -- if you don't like what you're reading, stay clear of this thread!

    I think that what really makes us grit our teeth is not the outright stupidity of members of a certain party, but the fact that the media let them get away with it.

    While I don't live in Toronto anymore, I still consider it my "home town", so I'm grateful that the news media in Toronto are calling out mayor Rob Ford every chance they get.  Consequently (plus due to his outrageous, obnoxious behaviour) his popularity has plummeted - the lowest it's ever been -- and I think the media have played a major role.

    I don't see the same thing in the U.S. media, with their penchant for something they call "fairness".  They let the idjuts get away with far too much exposure for their bigoted and often seditious behaviour.  And speaking of sedition, didn't Perry once espouse secession?  So why does he want to be President, and why don't the media ask him about it?

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2014

    I'm here too but trying to enjoy the summer!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited July 2014

    Jackie - I second Brigadoon's comment...let them run people like Rick Perry.  I loved the last round of GOP hopefuls for POTUS.  It was soooooooo entertaining (as long as they actually didn't win)!

    C4C - I just heard that the BBC will no longer allow False Equivalency when reporting on Climate Change.  When 98 of 100 scientists have weighed in on one side of the argument, it is ridiculous to have a one on one debate about it's existence.  I think the BBC is actually regulated for truth telling, though, as opposed to FOX and CNN who will probably continue to treat it like a debatable topic.  Like, let's have a debate if the world is flat or round.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

    I'm still here, too.  I'm still furious about Sunflowers, so I don't feel like posting much.

    Regarding the whackjobs that the regressives are putting forward as candidates, bring 'em on.  The crazier the better.  It worked so well in Delaware, for example - remember Christine whatever-her-name-was (that's how well it worked) and "l am not a witch?" The comedy value of the teanuts is priceless.

    Running the crazies makes it that much easier for us to apply our 19th Amendment solutions.  Rise up, sisters - vote blue to save women's lives!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

    So, I'll return with a bang and a slap at people who snark and bitch and snipe at people on assistance who have nice things.  They need to remember that it could very easily happen to them. 

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/08/this-is-what-happened-when-i-drove-my-mercedes-to-pick-up-food-stamps/?hpid=z1

    Washington Post

    This is what happened when I drove my Mercedes to pick up food stamps
    By Darlena Cunha July 8 at 12:00 PM

    Darlena Cunha is a former television producer turned stay-at-home mom to twin girls. She blogs daily at http://parentwin.com, and writes for The Huffington Post and Thought Catalog. She’s been published in McSweeney’s, The Feminist Wire, and OffBeat Families, amid dozens of others.

    Sara Bareilles played softly through the surround-sound speakers of my husband’s 2003 Mercedes Kompressor as I sat idling at a light. I’d never been to this church before, but I could see it from where I was, across from an old park, abandoned in the chilly September air. The clouds hung low as I pulled the sleek, pewter machine into the lot. But I wasn’t going to pray or attend services. I was picking up food stamps.

    Even then, I couldn’t quite believe it. This wasn’t supposed to happen to people like me.

    * * *

    I grew up in a white, affluent suburb, where failure seemed harder than success. In college, I studied biology and journalism. I worked for good money at a local hospital, which afforded me the opportunity to network at journalism conferences. That’s how I landed my first news job as an associate producer in Hartford, Conn. I climbed the ladder quickly, free to work any hours in any location for any pay. I moved from market to market, always achieving a better title, a better salary. Succeeding.

    2007 was a grand year for me. I moved back home from San Diego, where I’d produced ‘Good Morning San Diego.’ I quickly secured my next big gig, as a producer in Boston for the 6 p.m. news. The pay wasn’t great, but it was more than enough to support me. And my boyfriend was making good money, too, as a copy editor for the Hartford Courant.

    When I found out I was pregnant in February 2008, it was a shock, but nothing we couldn’t handle. Two weeks later, when I discovered “it” was actually “they” (twins, as a matter of fact), I panicked a little. But not because I worried for our future. My middle-class life still seemed perfectly secure. I just wasn’t sure I wanted to do that much work.

    The weeks flew by. My boyfriend proposed, and we bought a house. Then, just threeweeks after we closed, the market crashed. The house we’d paid $240,000 for was suddenly worth $150,000. It was okay, though — we were still making enough money to cover the exorbitant mortgage payments. Then we weren’t.

    * * *

    Two weeks before my children were born, my future husband found himself staring at a pink slip. The days of unemployment turned into weeks, months, and, eventually, years.

    Then my kids were born, six weeks early. They were just three pounds each at birth, barely the length of my shoe. We fed them through a little tube we attached to our pinky fingers because their mouths weren’t strong enough to suckle. We spent 10 days in the hospital waiting for them to increase in size. They never did. Try as I might, I couldn’t get my babies to put on weight. With their lives at risk, I switched from breast milk to formula, at about $15 a can. We went through dozens a week.

    In just two months, we’d gone from making a combined $120,000 a year to making just $25,000 and leeching out funds to a mortgage we couldn’t afford. Our savings dwindled, then disappeared.

    So I did what I had to do. I signed up for Medicaid and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children.

    It’s not easy. To qualify, you must be pregnant or up to six months postpartum. I had to fill out at least six forms and furnish my Social Security card, birth certificate and marriage license. I sat through exams, meetings and screenings. They had a lot of questions about the house: Wasn’t it an asset? Hadn’t we just bought it? They questioned every last cent we’d ever made. Did we have stock options or pensions? Did we have savings? I had to send them my three most recent check stubs to prove I was making as little as I said I was.

    On top of this, I had to get my vitals checked and blood work taken to determine whether I was at risk of improper nourishment without the program. It’s very bourgeois. Not. But I did it.

    * * *

    Driving to the WIC office the first time was scary. It wasn’t an office, like I’d thought it would be. It was the basement of a dreary church. We sat in disused pews, waiting to be called for our coupons, which would get us some tuna, some cheerios, a gallon of milk, baby formula.

    Using the coupons was even worse. The stares, the faux concern, the pity, the outrage — I hated it. One time, an old, kind-looking man with a bit of a hunch was standing behind me with just a six-pack of soda, waiting to check out. The entire contents of my cart were splayed out on the conveyor belt. When he noticed the flash of large white paper stubs in my hand, he touched me on the shoulder. I was scared that he was going to give me money; instead he gave me a small, rectangular card. He asked me to accept Jesus into my heart so that my troubles would disappear. I think I managed a half-smile before breaking into long, jogging strides out of there, the workers calling after me as to whether I still wanted my receipt.

    That was one of the better times. Once, a girl at the register actually stood up for me when an older mother of three saw the coupons and started chastising my purchase of root beer. They were “buy two, get one free” at a dollar a pop.

    “Surely, you don’t need those,” she said. “WIC pays for juice for you people.”

    The girl, who couldn’t have been more than 19, flashed her eyes up to my face and saw my grimace as I white-knuckled the counter in front of me, preparing my cold shoulder.

    “Who are you, the soda police?” she asked loudly. “Anyone bother you about the pound of candy you’re buying?”

    The woman huffed off to another register, and I’m sure she complained about that girl. I, meanwhile, thanked her profusely.

    “I’ve got a son,” she said, softly. “I know what it’s like.”

    * * *

    That’s the funny thing about being poor. Everyone has an opinion on it, and everyone feels entitled to share. That was especially true about my husband’s Mercedes. Over and over again, people asked why we kept that car, offering to sell it in their yards or on the Internet for us.

    “You can’t be that bad off,” a distant relative said, after inviting himself over for lunch. “You still got that baby in all its glory.”

    Sometimes, it was more direct. All from a place of love, of course. “Sell the Mercedes,” a friend said to me. “He doesn’t get to keep his toys now.”

    But it wasn’t a toy — it was paid off. My husband bought that car in full long before we met. Were we supposed to trade it in for a crappier car we’d have to make payments on? Only to have that less reliable car break down on us?

    And even if we had wanted to do that, here’s what people don’t understand: The reality of poverty can spring quickly while the psychological effects take longer to surface. When you lose a job, your first thought isn’t, “Oh my God, I’m poor. I’d better sell all my nice stuff!” It’s “I need another job. Now.” When you’re scrambling, you hang on to the things that work, that bring you some comfort. That Mercedes was the one reliable, trustworthy thing in our lives.

    That’s how I found myself, one dreary day when my Honda wouldn’t start, in my husband’s Mercedes at the WIC office. I parked gingerly over one of the many potholes, shut off the purring engine and locked it, then walked briskly to the door — head held high and not looking in either direction.

    To this day, it is the single most embarrassing thing I’ve ever done.

    No one spoke to me, but they did stare. Mouths agape, the poverty-stricken mothers struggling with infant car seats, paperwork and their toddlers never took their eyes off me, the tall blond girl, walking with purpose on heels from her Mercedes to their grungy den.

    I didn’t feel animosity coming from them, more wonderment, maybe a bit of resentment. The most embarrassing part was how I felt about myself. How I had so internalized the message of what poor people should or should not have that I felt ashamed to be there, with that car, getting food. As if I were not allowed the food because of the car. As if I were a bad person.

    We’ve now sold that house. My husband found a job that pays well, and we have enough left over for me to go to grad school. President Obama’s programs — from the extended unemployment benefits to the tax-free allowance for short-selling a home we couldn’t afford — allowed us to crawl our way out of the hole.

    But what I learned there will never leave me. We didn’t deserve to be poor, any more than we deserved to be rich. Poverty is a circumstance, not a value judgment. I still have to remind myself sometimes that I was my harshest critic. That the judgment of the disadvantaged comes not just from conservative politicians and Internet trolls. It came from me, even as I was living it.

    We still have that Mercedes.

     

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2014


    Hi Jackie,

    I'm here.  I've just been very busy with work the last couple of days!  Yay for me!  Also I've been walking the dogs and doing the mowing early in the morning and doing reports in the afternoon ... cause it's been so hot lately.

    Libby .. thanks for the article you posted.  We are all one "pink slip" away from food stamps or help from social services.  Lots of people in my area are on assistance.  And they work as well ... just can't make enough money to buy food for their families.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • brigadoonbenson
    brigadoonbenson Member Posts: 412
    edited July 2014

    RetiredLibby - My sister and her husband were always very well to do.  Many a time she would give me advise about things she just didn't understand and I have to admit that I wished she could walk just one hour in my shoes.  Then it happened.  They lost everything and I felt so bad.  They are in their 70's now and live on SSI.  They have a 1 bedroom apt and one very nice truck that is paid for. 

    When it happened they went into a tail-spin and made some big mistakes by getting rid of things they thought they didn't deserve.  They sold their house (which had monthly payment that was smaller than the amt they pay for their apt.)  My sister had a Lexus sports car that was paid for and they sold that.  Twelve years down the road and my sister still misses that car and is housebound when her husband is working.  My sister did keep her jewelry and it is the smartest thing she has done.  Each piece tells her a story about some celebrated occasion and she has something to pass down to her two girls and her grandchildren. 

    Meanwhile, though we are not rich, my husband and I have a house we love on a piece of land that we love.  Our neighbors are our children.  We have grandchildren that live close.  We have 100% health coverage, enough money to pay the bills and money to go out to dinner and buy what we need. 

    One never knows what is in store. 

    The downside to this story is that they are still fundies to the core.  I thought they were turning around a little but when they moved back to Texas and started hanging around with their old friends they went right back to FOX news. 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

    That is a shame, Brigadoon.  Some people never learn, even after they experience the very things for which they condemn others.  For them, the learning curve is downward. 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2014

    Libby ... Poverty is a circumstance, not a value judgment.  I love this sentence at the end of the article you posted.  I have noticed that for most people (right wing types) poverty is indeed a moral judgment.  We struggle financially, and family members are quick to point out any mistakes I have made in the past and place a moral judgment on our situation.  It really hurts when they do that.  We actually qualify for assistance, but I have chosen not to do that.  There are so many families in our area who are much worse off than we are.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited July 2014

    Libby, I've had a hard time dealing with Sunflowers' absence too. I'm glad that you posted. That piece was very worthwhile. And I especially like the part that Bren quoted.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited July 2014

    I almost wish I had a Twitter account so that I could reTweet this:

    Explain the difference

    If anybody knows if it's ok to post the graphic at the link let me know. I don't know the Twitter rules.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

    RR, I think it's fine to repost.  It is also all over Facebook, so it is pretty well out there.  It is very to-the-point, isn't it?  Tealiban indeed.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

    And oh, BTW, thanks for the kind words.  I am glad to see you, too.  I spend most of my time on Facebook these days, but I miss my buds here.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014

    I too thoroughly enjoyed the article RL.  I'm among the poor but not bothered by it.  I'm not alone that is for sure.  I've lots and lots of company.  Of course, I'd rather be well off, but not rich.  Just enough to be able to go get what I need EXACTTLY when I need it.....rather than waiting and planning  and scraping up every penny to make it..........sigh !!!  Still, I'm ok.  Sometimes you tire of living on the edge, but I've been here a long time  and so far, so good.  I will have to say....seems every time I've been up against it -- I find something I can do. 

    Just after we lost our health insurance....and knowing something was really not right I realized that I could go to the V.A. and see if something could be done.  But until then I spent weeks agonizing over how to get Insurance again.  Things like this have kept me going.

    We do have our house ( needs serious updating ) and Dh has his truck and I have my car.....neither being very new, but so far they are fine.   

    I too find myself wishing I could come here and find one of Sunny's super descriptive posts -- the cabin, the Arnica, the acupuncture, herbs....all good.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014

     
       "Keep your face to the sunshine
                and you cannot see the shadow.
                It's what sunflowers do."
                by Helen Keller

                

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  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited July 2014

    Waving at Sunny if she is looking in.  You are being missed.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited July 2014

    I wasn't going to get into this, but reading earlier that Sarah Palin ( yeah, that one, Sparkle Moose ) is calling for Pres. Obama's impeachment over immigration...I just decided I would.  Seems the GOP's, Tehadists and their minions just can't get anywhere near sanity.  http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/09/gop-immigration-disaster/

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2014


    Good Morning!

    Just walked the dogs and ended up going through a bunch of spider webs.  ackkkk!  I hate that.  Forgot to bring my putter to knock them down.  We had a huge rainstorm last night.  It didn't last too long, but really dropped a lot of rain.  Good thing, as my front lawn doesn't look too good right now.

    Jackie ... Love the Helen Keller poem.  I miss Sunnyflowers too.  I wish someone had her contact info as I would like to write her at home.  I keep hoping someone will turn up that knows how to get ahold of her.

    I'm all caught up with my work ... sure hope more comes in today!

    hugs,

    Bren

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

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    This is the image that RR linked to on the previous page.  Reminds you of the quote mis-attributed to Sinclair Lewis - "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."  Extremism is extremism is extremism.

    L
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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2014

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