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  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    rock~ trust me I could stand to lose another 16 pounds and then some. Hubs isn't happy because I am losing from not being able to eat as much but then again I am not sitting here eating junk food either.

    Sweet dreams buddies :O)

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited July 2008

    Noelle, Dundas may be a teeny tiny town, but I've been there! I have a friend who lives out in the woods around there and works in Hamilton, so my d and I went through last summer on a pre-college tour. She was interesting in Waterloo at the time, but decided that dealing with the distance (we're in Calif) and a different country would be too much. If I'd know we were going to be having bc together I would have stopped at your store!  Oh, and all my girls have long curly hair and after seeing your pic they told me to stop moaning about my hair -- you lost a lot more than I did!

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    Quicky quicky--

    Sue and kristy and cris and anyone else headed to Montana tomorrow:  Have a splendiferous trip! 

    RBCs:  I'm gonna eat broccoli and red meat and beans (and mebbe some choco Chex!!), and hope for, but not expect, results.  I like having a plan.  Adrienne -- broccoli growing out of our ears. Wouldn't it be just our luck to have THAT as a side effect of chemo??!!!

    Noelle: Upper west side, baby, near Columbia U. or SoHa (south of harlem) or morningside heights... I love my neighborhood. I've heard it is one of the most liberal voting precincts in the country, which suits me just fine.  (How teeny is your tiny town? I grew up outside towns with fewer than 500 people!)  Congratulations on your last treatment!!!

    Otter: You can come along to any chemo, any doctor's appointment, any surgery, any radiation, any consult, any anything as far as I'm concerned.  (Those Montana photos -- wow, wow, and wow.)

    Everyone: Thanks for all the support and empathy.  It is such a cliche, but a TRUE cliche, that even at the time, the news was easier to handle knowing I was not alone in this, and having the example of how to cope with  

    I am now going to take a picture of the way I look, 8 hours after Taxol. Because Sue is back. Which is wonderful.

  • sueper13
    sueper13 Member Posts: 1,224
    edited July 2008

    Otter--great pictures!! I am taking them with me tomorrow for my next-to-last.  And yes, you can come--and bring the Coors light (bottles, please).  Noelle, congrats on reaching camp recovery...

    I have a guess-what-I-can't-believe-it-either LUMP in my remaining breast! It is tiny, and I admit I am hypervigliant, but it is there.  I just found it today, and I see my onc tomorrow, so I guess that is good at least. I KNOW they have an ultrasound machine downstairs in the BS office, so I intend to be especially pushy about it.  Prayers, or good thoughts, or whatever your choice, please, but send me some!!

    Cris, I will miss you.  Talk to you this weekend.  I'll be laid-ass-out from chemo, but I can still read and post!

    Love you all,

    Sue 

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    Um, Sue, that seems like "What in the name of all that is holy and just in the world is THIS doing here" rather than an "I can't believe it" moment.  Crap.  Yes, yes, yes, it could be random breast crap or not.   I'm not kidding when I say draw a circle around it so there's no risk of not being able to locate it tomorrow in front of the onc.  Crap.

    PS My new avatar features a jar of Udderly sMOOth with urea hand and foot cream (you gotta include the "urea" part only it isn't half as funny).  

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    Rock -My town is about 20,000 peeps. One short main street, with a University nearby and lots of small industry in the next city. It is an odd mix of blue collar and intellectual. 

    I stay with a friend on the UW Side every Feb while at a trade show. My BFF lives in the village near Houston and 1st. I am a New Yorker in my blood, one day I will live there. 

    Sue, listen to Rock, get a sharpie out and circle that sucker!

    Damn! My prayers are all yours.

     Rev, going to school out of the country is not that hard. I went to college in VT.

    why the hell am I still awake!?  

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited July 2008

    Sue - I'll be thinking of you and will be waiting to hear what your Onc says.  Keeping my fingers crossed for that its just a random breast thing and that it is absolutely nothing to worry about.  Breathe!

    ~Adrienne

  • SharonF
    SharonF Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2008

    Sue - That sucks! Prayers comin' from me, too.  Let us know ASAP!

    Sharon

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited July 2008

    Sable.

     I am losing weight too- so far about 30 pounds since dx- the first 10 were pure stress and since then I think I am walking them off since I havent really had nausea or vomiting. I onc is fine with it since I needed to lose some and since I am mainly exercising it off she thinks.

     Kristy's nifgt before chemo! (aka Steroid Evening)

    Twas the night before chemo and all round the farm,

    not a creature was stirring except chemo Mom.

    Kids and hubby asleep behind closed doors

    while Moms in the kitchen looking for chores!

    She peeled the tomatoes and started a pot,

    added onions, peppers and spices a lot.

    She boiled and she simmered all nice and thick

    so homemade salsa her family would pick! 

    Hubby actually helped a little bit and finished before bedtime- but thanks to the steroids I sat in bed making up this silly poem! But I really did manage to use up all the ripe tomatoes from the garden and get 10 pints of homemade salsa - Im really not a true Martha Stewart- I cook without salt due to a daughter with a kidney condition- so alot of the cooking is for special family needs. I also prefer no salt and my son is a limited card diet- he loves the homemade salsa and its basically a free food for him.

    Hubby wanted to make salsa Saturday with all the tomatoes- I used about 2/3 of them last night for salsa because I figured night before would be better than 2 days after/  Might get a small batch of marinara this weekend if I have the energy!

     Off to the mountains today - hope I sleep in the cool mountain mist since I purposely didnt take Ambien last night :)

    Kristy 

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited July 2008

    You gals lost weight....I've gained! The onc keeps reminding me to eat small meals. I've been so hungry, for sweets no less.

    Sharon, I'm shaving this weekend, really short (peach fuzz I guess since I still have two inch long straggles. My oldest daughters friend walked in last night and caught me with the wig off. Should've seen her face. Priceless! Poor thing, I shocked the you know what out of her. I look like Igor from Young Frankenstein.

    Yeah Kristy on your Muga!

    Otter, love the pictures!

    Good luck all in Montana. Happy Trails!!!!

     Roxi 

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    I've gained 15-20 since dx. Lost 1 lousy pound in the last 2 weeks, being a little more active as SE's allow.  My son is away, so there is no white bread, or pasta or pizza in the house so that makes it easier to manage. I lost 12 lbs last spring headed in triathlon season, and I am more than 20 above that now. Yippee! 

     My Muga is fine going into herceptin, so I can start swimming and running as soon as I am up to it.

     Energy energy, where shall I find thee?

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    Oh no sue that sux! Hopefully its a nothing!! Onc found a "odd" spot on my scar line last week and sent me to the surgeon to check it out. He said it was most likely nothing but come back in a month and see if it changes or possibly an ultrasound. It's very easy to panic after going thru what we all have been thru.

    OHHHHHHH salsa! I didn't make any myself last year but the year before I made 2 batches that my husband promptly went thru quickly. He informed me that I am making more this year. The house smells so good when I make it too... yum!

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited July 2008

    Sue, that "lump" belongs on Traci's bitch thread.  It really, really sucks to go through a scare like that.  For pete's sake--you've not even finished treatment for the original BC!

    .......

    Okay, I just typed and then erased a huge, long thread in which I whined about some things that are going on in my life.  I know, I should feel comfortable here, telling y'all about my troubles; but you know what?  They seem so minor, compared to what most of you are going through right now.  I know, 'cause I was there myself just a few weeks ago.

    Here's a Cliff's Notes version:  1) cording/axillary web syndrome has re-developed under my arm on the mast/SNB side, and it hurts like heck; 2) my dh and I are trying to resume our "love life" but that hurts like heck, too.  A dab of KY doesn't do the trick anymore, and I refuse to use vaginal estrogen 'cause my tumor was strongly ER+ and I'm taking Arimidex to eliminate the last vestiges of endogenous estrogen; and 3) my mom is upset with me because I had the nerve to say, a month ago, that I would like it if relatives and friends would call or email me once in awhile.  She told me last night that I ought to realize how severely my cancer dx and treatment have affected her.  She said she wanted me to know that she was lying awake at night, worried sick about me and feeling "horrible".

    Does that make it sound like this is all my fault?

    otter 

  • collector
    collector Member Posts: 193
    edited July 2008

    Otter, you sure don't need the onus of guilt that your mom seems to be trying to lay on you.  I have no advice.  My own relationship with my mom is troubled and since she is 85 with problems that keep her stuck in the house I try to ignore a lot but looking back, I think that we really never had a very strong relationship and I don't have the emotional strength to deal with it.  Nor does she have the mentality to change.  It's too bad that your trip to your mom and the trip to your MIL couldn't have been reversed.  Perhaps you need to plan something really nice to look forward to after you travel to your mom's.  The MOJO issues are such an ordeal.  I hope you can find some advice that will really help. 

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited July 2008

    Otter,

    I'm so sorry your going through all this right now. Everyone deals with a bc diagnosis in their own way. It sounds like your Mom is having a pretty difficult time, as we are too. Quick story-One of my sisters is running for public office and had a fundraiser on Monday. I was hesitant to go but called my other two sisters to join me. At the event, all her friends kept talking about how wonderful I look and how well I'm doing, blah blah blah. This was exactly why I didn't want to go. Sometimes you just don't want to be reminded about this whole cancer thing and keep getting sucked back in. Anyways, on my way home that night I told my other sisters that I kinda wish my other sister wouldn't have told all her friends about my cancer. My sister explained that she's concerned about her own health now and needed her friends for support. Sure enough, she called my sister when she got home and told her about how I felt. The very next day, my sister called and said it was never about her but always about me and how she admired me and how strong I was. Boy, everyone see's things so differently. To make a long story short, Otter, I think your Mom means well, she just doesn't know how to say it. We sometimes forget that bc effects everyone in our lifes and there's so many people out there that really care for us and they just have difficulties adusting. I'm sure she's scared like all of us...but it's no one's fault. HANG IN THERE.....THINGS WILL GET BETTER!

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited July 2008

    Sue, I don't have words to express the SUCKINESS of your news.  Trust me, I'm sending all kinds of good thoughts your way.  But you know what?  When it turns out to be totally benign, it'll STILL suck that you had to go through this worry.

    I like the way Roxi summed up the dynamic of so many of our relationships with our mothers (and others).  It's hard for them - it really is.  And not all of them react well to the hard stuff.  (Unlike all of us, who are, of course, always paragons of grace, no matter what we're confronting . . . and no, I'm not being facetious.  This group really is pretty amazing.)  Another thing that's at work, I think - and this is a little hard to express - is that we've all changed in hundreds of ways since we got our diagnoses.  There's before, and there's now, and we're not the same.  But for most other people - even some who truly do love us - there's not that same bright dividing line.  They ARE the same.  The situation is different, but they're the same.  So parents who were tongue-tied by their emotions before (and I'd include mine in that category) aren't going to be any more forthcoming now. 

     Linda

    P.S. Waking up this morning, I thought of another charm for Rock's bracelet: how about a little garbage can, for that yucky mouth SE? 

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    Otter, just this week my Doc told me, even though I am ER- I should not be using the vag- estrogen products. Soy food stuffs are ok on occasion, but no supplementing with it.

    As for the lube thing, did you read my post on the MOJO thread about what we use?

    PM me if you want more info. 

    Or if everyone wants to know I can go on about it here too. 

    You and I are on the same ride when it comes to family. I am trying to let it go, but man it hurts when they don't try at all.  As you know my mom died in 06 of an unrelated cancer and I was her primary caregiver. Our relationship was rocky but got mostly forgiven during the death process. Today my BFF asked me if I missed my mom. I said sort of.... but I was glad I could hang onto the thoughts of her bringing me tea and toast when I was ill( I was rarely ever ill, but she did this when I was... those are good memories for me.) and not deal with the potential reality of her being a bitch ( which she was a lot, mostly to me, her eldest) Your mom is being selfish, and it sucks. There is no way around that, and a this time it is totally unfair to you. I don't have an answer for you, but I am going back and forth between asking my friends and family why they have not been here for me, or just movin'on and not askin'.... The thing that keeps me from askin' is that they won't 'get it'  - all they will hear is that I am being selfish and I don't understand them.....

     I may still ask, but I don't expect to get the response I deserve.

    You asked, you did not get the response you deserved and maybe crying a little and movin' on is the best you can do... for now.

    As for the arm, how much physio did you do if any?

    I would bring you tea and toast any day... really I would.

     Noelle  

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    Ohhhhh, moms and other family members. 

    Typically, we only have one mom. It is hard to swallow when they don't exactly meet our hopes. And I gotta say, Otter, you are such a generous, caring, un-self-centered human being (either that or you are putting on, as Ed Sullivan would say, a "really good shooe" for us!).  I wish your Mom (and your relatives and friends) would respond in kind and I am very sorry they are not. (Same for you, Noelle and everyone.) It's not right.  Nor is you being in pain, right. (And doesn't pain have a way of highlighting the other, emotionally sore spots?)  And then throw in the ol' sex thing and . . . .   Your mom sounds like a piece of work.

    Sometimes I have found it best to just try to be a mom to myself. Sometimes I have found it comforting to wrap myself in a blanket and have a good cry, patting my head and everything.  And if I have planned it right, sometimes there is a piece of carrot cake afterward.

    I think we should plan a rendezvous on someone's front porch this fall.

    Speaking of porches, I've been thinking about Sue and her lump all day today.  And Eddie and her shingles. And Cris because she is Cris. And Kristy -- our new poet laureate! I do enjoy the silliness of our poems. Especially because there is something just very warm and girly about all of it.

    *********

     Tomorrow I see one of my very best girlfriends who has a 'funny' mamm result. I am trying to be a reassuring presence, but the fact is that me and the reality of my cancer makes this all the harder for her. 

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited July 2008

    Sue, my thoughts have been with you all day today.  HunkyD

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited July 2008

    Otter - great pics!!  Would love to be there now...So sorry for the crap.  I'm with you on #2 - our most recent excursion to the MOJO world was more painful than I remember.  Rats.  I will have to check out Noelle's advice.  We have said this before but, do we have the same mother?  Because that could easily have come out of her mouth.  However, I think she know I might hit her with a shovel, so she has been keeping those to herself.  But I have heard them with other issues.  For me, at least it helps to have a sister who understands and that's generally what I do - unload on her.  So I hope in our sisterly way, we have helped you unload it.  {{{{Hugs}}}} to you. 

    Sue - SUCKS!  I really hope to hear that it's nothing, my friend.  Sending benign thoughts your way...and I hope your chemo went o.k., too.  Please let us know.

    Obviously, we go our computer back early and boy is it fast now, woo hoo!  My trip was a little bumpy today - the first stick blew my vein and so we had to do it again.  After that, it was mostly uneventful, although I had some breakthrough nausea (usually don't get that until tonight) and some burning/pain issues during the infusion.  That has happened before and we usually just put on a hot pack and it helps.  But not so much today.  Oh well, it's done and I lived - actually, I rememberd that tx# 3 seemed to be hard on y'all, so that kinda helped, too. 

    Katie (older dd) came for the first hour to watch and they thought she was 1) very cute and 2) amazingly NOT squeamish.  She was fascinated at the whole process and almost didn't want to leave to go swimming!  I'm making a few friends there, or at least seeing people I recognize.  It's sad and comforting at the same time.  Now I'm off to Walgreens (across the street) to pick up some meds and other stuff with Kelly (little dd) before the Zofran kicks in and makes me a zombie. 

    And Kristy - can you FedEx salsa?!  That is my craving (with extra salty chips) after chemo!

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited July 2008

    Rock - I think we were posting at the same time - l love that!  I wish I could hug you and Otter right now and bring you carrot cake, or something with chocolate.  I was thinking about you today as well - how are the feet? 

    And where is Sue??!!  And why is everything posting in bold, or is it just me? 

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited July 2008

    Go back to work and you lose sight of your carcinopals. Sue, no way is that lump anything as you are being BLASTED with cancer poison right now. Glad you are checking and, obviously, we are all sending warm thoughts your way.

    I sailed into my onc's office today convinced he would clear me for chemo one day late on my original schedule and he very kindly laughed me right out of his office. Plus, he gave me perspective. He said, "Let's see. You have a light case of shingles. Your body is healing and you are doing really well and you want me to blast you with steroids so you can do taxol/herceptin tomorrow when you're not ready?" He said I could go as early as Monday but that throws off the work schedule so bottom line? One week delay. Deal with it, girl. It just means I get to step up to the bar with other friends. Although I really, really love Montana. Have I told you all how fun it is to NOT have to tear my eyes open at night just to pee? My eye gunk is disappearing rapidly. Life is good. I may as well take a week of and admit that just a few of those shingles are itchy/burning so this will give them a few extra days. Your posts are wonderful. Otter, here is the deal...my dad keeps asking me why I am putting myself through all this. "I thought the cancer was gone. Why do you have to do this to yourself? And why can't we all just go to Yellowstone this year?" He will often call and say, "Do you feel better yet?" He is 87 and I love him, but it gets slightly annoying. I am glad to have him in my life....but it can be a bit of a downer having the parents ask you why you are going through chemo. Listen women....we are alive and hurting and laughing and loving (or trying to) and we are cranky and strong and vulnerable and itchy (just me) and bitchy (just me again). Your bald avatars thrill me. I wish we could photoshop a bunch of us together. I laugh so hard about charm bracelets and dinners with Lulu and our food conversations. My dh is turning 58 tomorrow (I am 47 so I love these six months when he seems 11 years older than I). He is currently NOT eating refined sugar. I am going to try to track down a yummy dessert with no refined sugar in it for his "cake" Meanwhile, I sit here at 6:31 eating a banana and really good dark chocolate. Yum. The dryer is calling, but you are way more fun. Hope the chemo treatments went well for those who went today. Talk to you soon. 

  • Jeano77
    Jeano77 Member Posts: 237
    edited July 2008

    Sue: sorry to hear about the crappy discovery, hoping that the news from the onc is good.  I am thinking of you, keep us posted.

    Noelle:  Congrats on making it to camp recovery, we are all looking forward to seeing you there.

    Eddie:  Glad to know that the shingles are recovering and that it will only delay your treatments a week.  I missed you on the porch today taking in Taxol #1.  Rock and Adrienne talked me off the ledge last evening with their calming words (very nervous last night).  Good news already, basically no nausea.  I am sure other SEs may follow, but in the past, AC would have me in bed from now until Sunday.  Goodnight to all.  Jean

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    *reaches thru the computer and gives otter a BIG OLE HUG*

    Sweet dreams chickies!

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited July 2008

    (((Otter)))  I don't know what else to say EXCEPT ..... do not ever feel that your problems/concerns are any less minor than any others expressed on this board.  We are all here for the same reason and have every right to whine/complain/cry/swear/bitch/piss/moan..whatever you want to call it....for whatever reason.  Especially when its a result of what we are all facing with BC.

    I'm sorry that you are having to face these issues and I'm sorry that your mom isn't exactly understanding what YOU are going through. That really just sucks.

    ~Adrienne

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited July 2008

    Jean, you can talk me through next week as I'll still be a taxol virgin. Hope you feel well tomorrow. Otter, if we were all men, we would lead simpler lives. Women are multi-layered complex individuals. Moms are .... well, they are moms and I think mother/daughter relationships are extremely complex. I send you hugs too and please know if you ever whine about whining we will all start whining about you. Noelle, I'll get to do herceptin for 40 weeks after taxol (will get h included in with taxol to make it a whole year). I say "get to" as I know as long as I am doing something, it'll feel like I am fighting cancer....at least that's how I am trying to frame it. Sleep well, dear ladies.

  • lisaO
    lisaO Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2008

    Hey everyone..... I have been checking out this discussion board since I started chemo in April but have never posted.  Decided it was about time I did after reading Otter's post about her Mum {Aussie spelling for Mom!!}.  I had the EXACT same coversation with my Mum 3 hours ago!  So I totally know how your feeling. 

    A huge thank you to all of you as your discussions and wisdom have helped me through the past few months. I started DD A/C April 17th and am now doing weekly Taxol, 5 down and 7 to go.  A/C was a pain in my ass and Taxol is tolerable....just!!

    You are all funny, smart, and amazing women..... it's a pleasure to be in your company.  In fact I feel like I already know you all thanks to my voyeuristic tendancies!!

    Lisa

  • lisaO
    lisaO Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2008

    PS.  just lost the eyebrows and lashes and thought I'd put my most recent photo up to celebrate!!

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited July 2008

    Welcome Lisa,

    As you said it, the women here are truly amazing. Come often and enjoy the company of friends. You may be far away, (Australia?) but close in our hearts. I too have been rewarded with love, laughter and wisdom from this May group. Welcome again.

    Roxi 

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited August 2008

    Lisa, Maybe it's just me, but I always kind of feel honored when someone joins our May group. (I like the new pic-- do you have piercing blue eyes?) Feel free to fill me in on what weekly Taxol has been like for you and what I should look outu for.  I do hope they'll let me go back to every 2 weeks; I wanna be done.  Then again, I also wanna be able to walk

    Roxi -- Shaving this weekend? We're there if you need us.  Oddly, I had to give my  head a trim yesterday. I had shaved back in May.  But I still have a head that is about 20-30% covered in stubble, some of which has been growing and was about 3/4" long. So I gave it a trim so I didn't look quite so goofy. 

    Here's a question for you guys:  Is anyone noticing their emotions getting thrown around by chemopause?  I tell you, I try to be a pretty upbeat person but last night...boy. I'm struggling to sort out how much of my mood was natural/normal and how much was due to hormone changes.

    And can someone give me an idea of what to expect re: menopause? (my ovaries are coming out)

    a) overall energy;b) weight and weight distribution;c) skin 

    Wonderin' about Sue.  I don't want her or any of us to feel like we must post; I think it is healthy to peel myself off them from time to time (tricky, though, since the indexing has me glued to the computer these days). But I'm thinking about her, y'know? 

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