If you could redo your treatment-anything different?

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scoutmm56
scoutmm56 Member Posts: 22
edited June 2014 in Life After Breast Cancer

Did I do the right thing? Did I get good treatment? The lingering side effects of chemotherapy-still with me-2 years after treatment-Was it worth it? I feel fine right now-was all that frantic chemo, mastectomy, radiation and hormonal treatment really necessary? I have the luxury of mulling that over now-that I am past it. I know for sure there is allot of breast cancer spin and things I absolutely would not do over again......I would like to hear the three dimensional story out there-from people  who did not find the treatment a walk in the park ...If you are just diagnosed calm down....if you are jumping all over the web trying to get an answer about if you are going to die from breast cancer....you won't find anything but confusing old statistics....but I am here to tell you---you've got time and lots of it...quality time.... If I had a do-over I would not have done the neoadjuvent chemo-I would have done the surgery first, a pass on the chemo and probably would have had reconstruction. I was so tired after the chemo and mastectomy I passed on the reconstruction and just don't want anything to do with Dr's now.  Reconstruction would be for other people-I accept myself as I am-It is just a pain shoving things down my bra, bathing suit to "look " normal.

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  • Jaybird627
    Jaybird627 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited July 2008

    I might have had a mast. if it had been recommended to me but it wasn't. Now I have that 'worry'.

    I also had to quit Taxol after 2 doses due to extreme neuropathy (that still liners some today, especially in winter or when I get chilled from air conditionining or cold dampness) so I'd never had done it had I known I'd have reacted so badly to it.

    And I'm glad I had a port despite having a colapsed lung from it being inserted and then it having to be dug out after my body encapsulated it.

    But I'm pretty much okay with what I did, what I got and what my doctors recommended.

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited July 2008

    I don't know ..they have new tests that would have helped me make decisions in 2000..

  • sunkistmi
    sunkistmi Member Posts: 287
    edited July 2008

    I didn't have any treatment but I definately would have had a bi-lateral mast instead of just the right side.  I would not be facing another mast on Aug. 4 if I had done so.  However, having beaten myself up over it during the last month since dx, I have come to the conclusion that I just need to get on with it and stop thinking about the 'what if's' because it doesn't change anything.  I did what I did based on the info I had at the time and that's all I could do.  Maybe if I keep saying over and over, I'll feel better.

    Take care.

  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
    edited July 2010
  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited July 2008

    I would change that I would have had a mast, and then gone for recon to a ps that I had interviewed and felt comfortable with.  I would not allow my bs to have made the decision about my ps.  I would also not have agreed to surgery 1 week after diagnosis.  I feel I would have done a great deal better with time to wrap my head around diagnosis.

    I would have made my own decisions instead of being led by my dh.  It took a while for me to grow a backbone and after I did, things got better, even tho I had to have recon twice.

    I would definitely NOT have kept telling my family I was "great".  I would have been perfectly honest with them and  told my kids  to come home.  I would have leaned more on my family and given up the "supergal" image of being tough.

    One gets no points for being tough!! All that does is push you family and friends away from being as helpful as they could be and want to be.

    So, I was very alone during my time, except for the life saving people on these boards and I mean that literally.  When I thought I had colon cancer 5 mos after dx, I was ready to hang it all up and just quit.  The women here kept me from committing suicide because they cared and they cared because I was honest with them.  I should have done the same thing with my family and friends.

    I gave up Tamox after 2 1/2 years due to quality of life issues.  My onc agree and I have no doubts of that being a good idea.  I declined chemo,considering long term side effects, and my onc agreed.  By the time I saw him, I had to have my path redone because my gut told me the first place had screwed it up and I was right.  I chose mast instead of lump, because lump has slightly more recurrance, and I didn't want rads.  I never even considered a bilat.  Why cut up what is not giving you any problems.  Symmentry is just as possible with uni as with bilat. 

    We all make decisions with the info we have at the time.  The deal is: we must educate ourselves and be able to discuss options with docs and others.  We have to make sure we have all the info we need.  and that takes TIME> 

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited July 2008

    In a nutshell....IF I knew then, what I know now, I'd have opted for more time in the decision making process. I feel like many others, that they whisk you through treatment, and you don't feel you have the time you need to make an informed decision, but you do.  Unless maybe (and I'm only guessing) you had IBC and/or a really agressive cancer when first dx.

    Time.....something you can't get back, but really do have plenty of when first dx.  Although be/c we are new to it, we don't KNOW we have the time to take to become informed.  IF NOTHING else....I think we should start a thread at the top of these boards, that let women and men know, that they do have the TIME to take without affecting the outcome in most all situations.

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited July 2008

    Slightly O/T, but related in the big sense, I would have followed my gut, and indeed enrolled in the Tamoxifen Prevention Trial (P-1) when I brought it up to my bs and internist well before my diagosis. Curiously, in spite of delatyed child bearing and multiple breast biopsies/FNA due to lumps and thickenings, both advised against it.
     
    It may have spared me invasive ER+ breast cancer, or have eliminated the +nodal involvement. Perhaps not also. But living now with the ramifications of cancer treatment, and ongoing serious QOL issues due to the AI's, it would have been worth it for me.
     
    Dang,
    Tender
     
    Prevention Trial (P-1):

    Tamoxifen is one of the options that a woman may choose if she is at least 35 years of age and has a predicted risk of developing breast cancer in the next 5 years greater than or equal to 1.67 percent, calculated using the Gail Model Risk Assessment Tool. Evidence for using tamoxifen for breast cancer-prevention comes from the Breast Cancer Prevention Trial (P-1) initiated by the National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project. This study resulted in a 49 percent reduced risk of invasive breast cancer for those women who took tamoxifen over the course of the five-year study (from Project Aware:Association of Women for the Advancement of Research and Education @ project-aware.org).ssociation of Women for the Advancement of Research and Education 
  • nowheregirl
    nowheregirl Member Posts: 894
    edited July 2008

    DX'd with stage IIB grade 1 IDC with one node positive at the age of 39 and did a "full course". 12 weekly Taxol followed by 4 EC as neoadjuvant chemo, had a lumpectomy followed by yet another 12 weekly Taxol then went on to 30 sessions of rads/boosters. Been on Tamoxifen and Lupron shot since February of 2006. Even if I could go back to the point where I was DX'd, I would not change anything in terms of treatment but would definitely choose the right doctor more and more carefully. I was DX'd in July of 2005 but I first noticed symptoms (bloody discharge from my right nipple) in summer of 2004 so I did go in and met with a qualified oncologist and did all sorts of tests such as u/s, mammo and a boipsy. But he and his team couldn't find my cancer and just told me to get a yearly check-up. So in June of 2006, I went back only to figure out all I had heard in the previouis year was a bullshit. Immediately I dumped this onc and met with another onc. When he first saw me and did tests on me, my tumor measured 3.5 cm so he said he had no idea how the onc from the previous year could have missed it.

    xo

    Fumi

  • DragonladyTina
    DragonladyTina Member Posts: 371
    edited July 2008

    I don't know if I would change anything I chose to do, rather, modify it somewhat.

    I was diagnosed in Dec/04 with mucinous carcinoma left breast, large tumor,  5.5cm.

    I opted for bilateral mast. with immediate tissue expander recon. I had 4 chemo (AC), several tweeking type surgeries on the new boobs, and a total abdominal hyst. all in 2006. The only thing I feel I may have rushed into was the hyst. I had it about 6 weeks after I finished chemo and I feel I may have rushed into that. My tumor was highly ER PR positive and I felt that I must immediately have a hyst. (not necessary) I guess I could have monitored that situation in hindsight. I have been taking tamoxifen for 3.5 yrs or so with a little time of arimidex which crippled me so much I returned to tamoxifen.

    I chose aggressive treatment, have never second guessed my course of treatment.

    best to all,

    Tina

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited July 2008

    Well, hindsight is 20/20. Since I wound up being diagnosed with a second breast cancer (in the other breast) three years after my first diagnosis, it would have been great to have opted for a bilateral mastectomy the first time around. I almost needed a mastectomy the first time around, but clean margins were finally obtained after an excisional biopsy and two wide excisions, so I conserved my breast at that time and went onto radiation. Sometimes I wish that I'd at least had a unilateral mastectomy after the first diagnosis and skipped the radiation. But my cancer was very close to the chest wall and even the wide excision went right up to my fascia, so I still feel that the rads offered some extra protection. 

    I definitely understood my options better the second time around. Like most of us, I was in such shock after the first diagnosis that my ability to make the best decisions for myself was compromised--I just wanted the cancer OUT!

    Barbara 

  • RIV54
    RIV54 Member Posts: 359
    edited July 2008

    I had a choice of lumpectomy or mastectomy and I think choosing the mastectomy was a good decision. With just a biopsy I was stage 1 with small, less than 2cm tumor. After mastectomy and pathology report I was stage IIIA, axillary disection with 6 of 25 nodes involved. I would not have had any reconstruction, due to the disappointing results. I would have requested having a port, only 6 TAC tx and my veins in my good arm are shot for the time being, I keep hearing that they heal, but how long? I was 6 months late having my mammogram. If I had gone at 12 months would I have ended up with DCIS and no node involvement instead of IDC and 6 nodes?

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited July 2008

    I too was in shock at diagnosis, and I too just wanted the cancer out.  I did indeed do that the same week I saw the breast surgeon.  I am quite sure my ability to make the best decisions for myself was compromised.  I knew no one who had had bc, and there was no history of it that anyone knows of in my family.  I really wish I knew of this website back then, come to think of it, I dont believe we even had a computer at home back then, although there was one at work, I could not use it for personal purposes.

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited July 2008

    Biggest thing,  get my information and learn all about bc, the pathology, what it means, find out about chemo se's. I went in like a lamb and never again will I let anyone choose something for my body that I haven't educated myself on.  Man, was I lame back then.  I have this site to thank and it's wonderful women that guided me, supported me and taught me how to be a lion about my own health care. Sounds a bit corny but  I really feel like a lion now and say NO, not until I understand what  it's going to do to me and long term side effects. 

  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
    edited July 2010
  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
    edited July 2010
  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited July 2008

    No changes for me, really. Sometimes I think I should have waited and held out for DIEP or GAP reconstruction instead of implants. But, then, had I done that and had any complications, I'd be here saying dang, I shoulda done the implants.

    Anne

  • junie
    junie Member Posts: 1,216
    edited July 2008

    Good question!   Made me think a bit.   Yes, there are things I would have done differently.   This wonderful web sight wasn't available when I was first dx--I backed into it researching Tamoxifen questions after having had ax node dissection, lump, 4 A/C, 36 rads......

    I believe that I had the gold standard of treatment for my particular diagnosis at the time.   But, what I love about these boards is the ability to learn of new things...read others' experiences...a continual learning process!

    Yes, it's a given that upon dx, you go into panic mode and want things done ASAP!   Now, I know that you really do have time to think things out, research, etc--just hard to do when in panic mode.   Knowing what I now know, I should have insisted on a port for my chemo.   Maybe I had great veins then--I sure don't now!   Basis new tests I've read about here, my need for chemo may have been unnecessary.   But, I view this gained knowledge firmly believing that at that particular time of my life, knowing what I did know, trusting the team of doctors put in place to treat me--all I can think of is to say I did what I thought was best for me at that given time--I cannot fault the choices I made at that time.

    I am so grateful to read of new things here that people post--it mostly helps educate me should I have a recurrence, rather than things I should have done, had I known about them.

    hugggssss, junie

  • StillKicking
    StillKicking Member Posts: 115
    edited July 2008

    My cancer was small .9 cm.  The standard for chemo is 1 cm.  Due to family history onc recommended chemo.  I thought I had read all the side effects of chemo but reading in no way prepared me for the longterm side effects.  Some days I wish I had not elected to do it, but than other days i'm glad.  At least I can say I did everything I could to prevent it from coming back.

  • Yogi70
    Yogi70 Member Posts: 654
    edited July 2008

    If I could do my treatment over, I probably would have opted out of Adriamycin because of the effects it could have on my heart esp. since I am her2++ and am now on herceptin but hey.......

    I probably would have had both breasts removed and although my doctor agreed that was an option he poohed poohed that suggestion at the same time.  I wish I had insisted but hey......  hopefully I got this thing beat, should I have a recurrence I am much more educated thanks to the women on this website.

  • smithlme
    smithlme Member Posts: 1,322
    edited July 2008

    I would have requested genetic testing right after my first diagnosis. Now that I know I am BRCA 2+ I would have had a bilateral mastectomy and skipped the unsuccessful TRAM recon...

    Linda

  • scorpio
    scorpio Member Posts: 58
    edited July 2008

    Hi All,

    I've been reading all this,and I probably regret hormone therapy the most. The effects of the Arimidex have been permanent, and now I face an endometrial biopsy from the tamoxifen. But my thought was the same as everybody else, at the time we're making these decisions, were in a panic, confused, new to the whole bc thing. It would be great if there was an impartial patient advocate to discuss all the implications, statistics, bc lingo...exp. relative vs overall benefits and risks. I say impartial, meaning not someone who just  reinforces the dr.s opinion. It should be at least a 1hour sitdown facetoface with a knowledge person who has no agenda.I didn't find this websiteuntil my treatment was almost over, and a lot of women, repeat  A LOT don't use the internet at all. Don't think it'll ever happen, but one can only hope.

    't

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited July 2008

    After having had a really unsatisfactory experience with a surgeon who literally did not talk, and a tumor board coordinator who gave me incorrect information, I should have looked for a different breast care system. The place I went was really lame, but after waiting 7 weeks for a mammo and 3 weeks for the cattle call they called a tumor board, I just wanted the damned thing off.

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited July 2008
    I would have gone to see my PS at the same time. I think I was in to much of a hurry. I would have had reconstruction sooner....and maybe no RADS....
  • momtoangels
    momtoangels Member Posts: 67
    edited July 2008

    i am glad i took time to make decisons (4 months from diagnosis to final surgery).  i am glad i was assertive about my treatment (i had to fire my first surgeon).  i am glad i chose lumpectomy first.  i am glad i chose a mastectomy instead of chemo, rads, med. and/or more lumpectomies.  i am glad i leaned on my family.  my daughters were wonderful!

    i would change having a single mastectomy to a double.  it is a real pain in the butt to have only one breast.  (especially a 40DD!)  i always hated bra shopping.  i hate breast shopping even more!!  i wish i would have given myself more time to recover physically and emotionally.  i was in way too big a hurry to *move on*.  and i find myself crashing and burning more now than i did in the beginning. 

    all in all however, i feel i made the best choices i could make with what i knew at the time.  no matter what, it is not easy to make decisions regarding out health and bodies especially under such stress.  be very gentle with yourselves today.  hugs and caring, diana

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited July 2008

    This thread would be great to have listed for newbies to read through, I remember how panicky I was and let others make decisions for me because I thought okay the docs know whats best.  But reading the posts and seeing that so many women would have changed some things it would be great a great section.

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited July 2008

    I too felt panicky, and just wanted  the cancer out of my body. If I had it to do over again, I would have taken more time to research the treatment options and considered more carefully my risks in full--I did not know anything about Radiation and smoking (quit many years ago) or Lymphedema. My treatment was going to be, according to the BS: a piece of cake! HAH!

    Because it was DCIS, I opted for a lumpectomy, SNB & radiation (now at higher risk for lung cancer, and no doctor even mentioned that possibility--even though I disclosed my previous smoking history). My breast did not heal and I also had several seromas and hematomas that were supposed to "dry up with the radiation"--NOT!

    Six months after the first surgery, I had a mastectomy (even though I was stage 0, and there wasn't even enough tissue to test for ER+/-) with immediate TRAMflap reconstruction. Plastic surgeon assured me that I did not have to worry about LE (even though I was now diagnosed with breast LE when the antibiotics didn't fix my breast pain and swelling) because they weren't going to remove any lymph nodes. I now have truncal LE and am at risk for left arm/hand LE, and lower limb LE! Wow! All of the permission slips I signed prior to any procedure failed to list LE as a possible risk! BUT, the surgeons "did their job," so I am left without any cancer, but a new normal that isn't much fun for me!

    So, yeah, I would definitely have gone slower. But the panic and anxiety of the diagnosis is frightening. And I felt like my brain was in fuzzy mode. I could barely get what anyone was telling me. I just moved along in a fog, with everyone telling me I was so lucky that I only had DCIS and I would be good as new as soon as I finished treatment. HAH!

    I had read Dr. Love's book, but I don't think I absorbed as much as I should have before I decided on my treatment plan. But, hindsight is 20/20, right? 

  • magsandmattsmom
    magsandmattsmom Member Posts: 424
    edited July 2008

    I don't regret it all the time but anytime I think I feel "something" in my affected breast I kinda wish I had had a mastectomy and not just a lumpectomy.  But I have a feeling I'd still be questioning what I felt in that scar too!

    I knew when I made my decision that whatever I chose I didn't want regrets later.  I could've declined chemo but I chose to have it.  I'm glad I did have it.  I know it was the right thing for me to do.  I'm also glad I had the BRCA testing done because that took some worries away - or at least to a far far far far far back burner!

    So - short answer - nope no real regrets.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited July 2008

    I wouldn't change anything but frankly I know that I just got lucky.  Because I was so shocked when my first surgeon told me that I would need to have a mastectomy, I both insisted on getting a second opinion - something I might otherwise not have done - and I knew that I wanted immediate reconstruction if it was in any way possible.  That led me to one of the top cancer centers in the world, with a phenomenal surgeon and plastic surgeon.  The surgeon made sure that my pathology and films were all double-checked (I wouldn't have thought to ask) and he put me through additional tests that I would never have thought about.  Both the surgeon and PS explained all my options (and what was necessary and not optional) carefully and in detail and then they gave me the time I needed to make my decisions.  I also thank my lucky stars that at the time of my diagnosis I was living in a major city in Canada.  Thanks to that, I had excellent care and never had to worry about insurance approvals or costs.  An MRI, genetic testing, home care nursing were all offered to me without my knowing enough to ask.

    As for my treatment, because I had the time and the information, and because both my surgeon, PS  and oncologist all insisted that I make the decisions (although they offered opinions and great advice), in hindsight I know that I made the right decisions.  It wasn't easy at the time - I was so tied up with emotions and fear - but not rushing the decisions was ultimately the best thing of all.  I just got lucky - good old dumb luck - but now that's always my advice to newbies - take your time, consider all your options and don't do something because someone else says so - figure out what's right for you.

    So add me to the "no regrets" column.    

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited July 2008

    At just 6 wks past my last chemo treatment, it's way too early for me to reply to this question, but I think I will anyway.  I reserve the right to revise my answer 2 years from now.

    I can't think of anything I would change about my treatment decisions.  I made a few choices that other people might think were odd:  1) For my dx and treatments, I decided to travel 110 miles to a comprehensive cancer center that was part of a university teaching hospital, rather than going to our regional hospital;  2) I chose a (unilateral) mastectomy, despite having been given the option of a lumpectomy/rads;   3) With an ER+ HER2- tumor and an Oncotype score of 26, I chose to have chemo;  4) Because of really sorry communication, I fired my first oncologist and asked for a different one; and  5) I asked onco #2 to reconsider her recommendation of AC, and think about giving me TC instead (which she did).

    So far, I only regret 2 things.

    First, I would have asked much earlier for a referral to evaluate the lump I had found in my left breast.  I could feel it, but my GYN could not; and even when he could feel it a year later, he thought it was just fibrocystic tissue.  I would have insisted for a follow-up imaging study when my mammograms kept coming back normal.  I didn't know any better at the time.  I don't know if being more assertive at an earlier time would have changed anything, but at least I wouldn't have worried for so long about the lump before finally getting it diagnosed.

    Second, I would try to change the interactions I've had with my family (parents and sibling).  I pretty much assumed that, if I kept them informed about what was going on, they would provide a steady stream of loving support that would help me through my dx and tx.  I actually thought my BC dx would bring us closer together.

    That hasn't happened.  My family has these inane competitions about who-called-whom-last, as in "No, it was your turn to call me!".   My BC dx didn't change any of that.  My dx has given my mother many sleepless nights in which she says she was "worried sick" about me, and "feeling horrible".  She felt the need to tell me that last night, when I talked to her on the phone.  My sister, OTOH, has called me only 3 times since my dx in January.  The last time was about 2 months ago, and we spent an entire hour discussing her troubled life.  I feel like I'm supposed to set aside whatever problems I'm having (like BC), in order to buoy my family members up and keep them feeling strong and comfortable.

    So, as part of the re-do on my treatment protocol, I would be more direct with my family members about what they could do to help me through this BC minefield.  Then, if they didn't come through (as they haven't), I would stop fretting about it and feeling like I was responsible for the miscommunication.

    Yeah, right.

    otter 

  • samon
    samon Member Posts: 100
    edited July 2008

    I wish I would have found this board before my surgery.  It has been wonderful finding all of you after, but I felt I had too many options and I really didn't know what to do.  My hubby was concerned and wanted me to make my decision fast even though the doctor told me I could wait a few weeks.  I don't know if I would have done things differently.  Some days I think so and others I feel like I made the right decision.

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