Sadness after treatment?

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  • colleenS
    colleenS Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2008

    Diagnosed with DCIS in early April.  Just finished up my treatment plan last Friday.  Lumpectomy, followed by 5 days of Mammosite radiation.  During all this time, I was never fearful or sad.  Knew I'd get through it and life would return to normal.  But here I am 5 days later and the tears are finally coming.  I feel so sad and I just don't understand why.  Has anyone else experienced this?  I'm guessing it's a form of post traumatic stress.  During diagnosis and treatment I stuffed my emotions away, and now it's time to deal with them.  Everyone talks about how to get through treatment, but what about after?

  • Gulfwater
    Gulfwater Member Posts: 177
    edited June 2008

    I won't say I reacted in the way you did.  I had a pretty middle-of-the-road DCIS diagnosis.  Easy time with treatments -- lumpectomy, rads, and Tamoxifen.  But it took me about two years to get over the fear, worry, anxiety, etc. from the diagnosis.  I was sure the "other shoe was going to drop".  It didn't.  I am fine today.

    Mary D.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited June 2008

    What you are experiencing is completely normal and very common.  When we go through treatment, we are so focused on the treatment that many of us don't allow ourselves the time to actually think "I have breast cancer".  And when we are going through treatment, we are kept busy with the treatment and juggling all the balls in our lives. Then suddenly the treatment is over.  We finally have time to think and to feel.  And that's when the realization hits:  I had breast cancer.  Often the other thought is:  What do I do now?  There is a strange, worrysome feeling that you are no longer doing anything to fight the cancer. 

    So yes, what you are feeling is something that many of us have gone through.  Just know that it's normal and you are not alone.  And it's okay to have those feelings and to feel confused.  While it's different for everyone, I know that many women don't feel normal again for years.  And even then, it's a "new normal".   I'm at 3 years now and I'm finally comfortably at the point where I've put BC into the past.   Not that I don't still think about it most days (but maybe that's because I'm on this site...).

  • LUVmy2girlZ
    LUVmy2girlZ Member Posts: 2,394
    edited June 2008

    ColleenS ~

    Yes, I experience the same (As well as some of my February rad sisters) I think its a normal reaction.  Some do experience a post-traumatic syndrome.   When its "all over" you feel more on "your own... alone feeling"  Bottling them up only to build up. 

    Be patient with yourself you have been through a lot and its going to take awhile to feel somewhat confident again.

    Cancer may be gone for good...but it is forever etched in our minds. 

    Each passing day ...baby steps.

    Much LUV

  • PhyllisCC
    PhyllisCC Member Posts: 397
    edited June 2008

    ColleenS,

    Hi,  As everyone says...it's normal.  I had rt. mast in Nov. -- by Jan 08, my path report was good...only dcis, no need for rads, chemo.  Saw oncologist and he did not recommend tamox.  So bascially it was the best I could get.  Up to that point I was fine.  Then....I started to cry for no reason, at work, at home, for absolutely no reason.  Went to my doctor who said it's kinda like post partum syndrome, plus your hormones are kinda screwed up.  He put me on Effexor...and it really helped.  I'm still on it, but will probably go off by the end of the year.  At first I didn't want any meds, but am so glad I tried them.  Still am dealing with reconstruction, but no more bursting into tears for "no reason".  I just wish I knew this was normal when it happened to me.  Take  Care. Phyllis 

  • 3girls4me
    3girls4me Member Posts: 196
    edited June 2008

    Hi Colleen,

    What you are experiencing is completely normal!  In fact, in Susan Love's breast book, there is even a chapter about it.   During treatment, you're just focused on doing what you have to do to get through it, and people are rallying around you, asking you if need help, doctors are taking care of you, etc., etc.   Then, that parts over, and you're on you're own, and its sort of a let-down!   Suddenly, you feel alone and scared.  Doctors aren't "watching" you anymore, friends and family think you're fine now, so they go away.  It's unfortunately part of the deal, and I experienced this as well.   I felt I had lost a few friends even.  But really I didn't, they just don't understand the emotional aspect of it.    What you're going through is part of the process.   Take one day at a time......it goes away, I promise!

  • OldOakTree
    OldOakTree Member Posts: 173
    edited June 2008

    Colleen, I felt immense sadness and depression after my diagnosis.  I broke down and cried after I got in my car that afternoon and cried every day (sometimes terrible heart wrenching sobs) until I finally got on anti-depressants 5 months later.  To make it worse I was told I just had dcis and shouldn't feel this way.  aarrrgggghhhh.  But I did feel this way!!!!!  My first and second oncologists were both jerks and made me feel terrible and did nothing at all to help. I thank God I had a good kind surgeon and finally found a third oncologist that I like.

    BC affects the emotions and that part should also be part of the treatment but unfortunately it often isn't.  If you really feel so sad and down that it is affecting your day to day activities please consider seeing a therapist to talk things through.  You've been concentrating so much on the physical part of yourself; now that that part of the treatment is over it's time to take care of the other part.

  • omo
    omo Member Posts: 193
    edited June 2008

    I think when all the treatments over, there's a kinda void[thats what I felt] and so I had to find a lot of things to keep my mind from wandering.I discovered the advantages of massages and all kinds of other stuff like pedicures and all and would go to the movies a lot.These are just the things that worked for me.Hope they help?

  • eaglesgal
    eaglesgal Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2008

    Hi Dear,

    I was diagnosed with DCIS in September of 2007, had a mastectomy in October of 2007 and my only follow up care was the reconstruction.  I too was fine once I was diagnosed and going through treatment, as a matter of fact, I felt stronger ( emotionally) than I had in a long time.  I had a focus and a disease to conquer, and conquer I did ( or at least I thought I had).  Once I was recovered from surgery and back to work is when the wheels came off for me.  In an odd way, getting back to "normal" was a let down?  does that make sense?  Now I have no focus, nothing to fight or battle.  I am slowly trying to rebuild my life and create a "new normal" because the normal life I had before my diagnosis is gone.  My whole life has shifted, not complaining at all, just trying to get a handle on all of this. Thankfully I am surrounded by a wonderful supportive family, my husband being my biggest cheerleader.  I think what you and I are going through is totally normal, but not really discussed when you are going through the throes of cancer, diagnosis, treatment, recovery. 

  • easyquilts
    easyquilts Member Posts: 876
    edited June 2008

    Eaglesgirl....Although I am still in the middle of treatment...just had my lumpectomy, and am preparing for radiation....I think I get what you are trying to say, and from all I have heard and/or read, i think your feelings and thoughts are very normal....After all...Your life was completely focused on getting yourself well....There were appointments, treatments, tests, etc.... Now there is "noting"...The void you sense in your life is real....You have to fiind something to fill it up!

    I think getting back to whatever is normal for us is a relief, but can also  be a let down... Life will never be the same for any of us after recovery....We will need the strength to rebuild it.... Armed with the knowledge that perhaps our values and ideas of what is important to us has changed.  

    in a sense, I went though this after my heart attack several years ago....Now my life is taking another huge shift in focus.....Oh well....The journey certainlly has not been boring!

     Give yourself time to hearl emotionally from all you have endured in your fight against beast canceer....Look around and see what interests you now....Sample new activities....Life will slowly take on a more "normal" shape for you, as it will for most of us....

    I have already shifted my thinking in som areas...Realizing that i need to do what it is that makes me truly fulfilled and glad too be alive.....Time with grandboys, quilting, reading, walking in the sunshine, singing with my special group....leanring a new skill....as a Mass Coordinator for my parish (funerals only)....I love spending time here in my little room, surrounded by the things that make me happy...my comfy small relcliner, computer, TV, small fridge, lots of books and beautiful fabrics....This little space is my haven...We all need a private space that is ours alone....And I think this is more true for women than for men...

    So..Take it slow and easy....Allow yourself to feel relief tinged with a certain saddness that one phase of your life has ended...and head on out into the new life you now have!

    Sandy from Cincinnati....AKA Kermit 

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited June 2008

    I agree - it's normal.

    It's also one of the things that makes this all so hard.  You're done and now you feel bad.  Everybody was ready for you to be a wreck while it was all going on.  So now that you're done family/friends/co-workers think you're back to normal.

    Except that this is when you feel bad.

    It will pass. It's a good time to work on any life/health changes you might have been thinking about.  Kind of a "new leaf" time.  

  • kes
    kes Member Posts: 559
    edited June 2008

    Hi Ladies,

    Glad to hear that all of these feelings are normal in this process. Crappy to have but normal. Loss of support from family and friends has a big impact also. People do not realize what you are feeling. I hope that slowly things will start to improve. I think that people don't know how to support us, so therefore would not call rather than call and not know what to say.

    Kerry

  • lilgrace
    lilgrace Member Posts: 12
    edited June 2008

    I admit to myself that I acted weird, and still do.  During surgery I didn't want any coddling and got sort of snappy at people when they fussed over me (I think I was in a bit of denial at the time, just trying to go day to day), and now that I'm recovering I feel the need to be cuddled and cared for.   I can't explain it!   I think the best thing is just to reach out and call people, ask them to come over, tell them the truth.   Say you're lonely and a little scared to be on your own yet.   I'm so glad I stopped trying to do things on my own and accept help, and it's funny how a game of cards or a good movie can really cheer you up if you're spending it with someone else and regaining a sense of normalcy.

  • easyquilts
    easyquilts Member Posts: 876
    edited June 2008

    I've been thinking...The idea that returning to "normal' is a let down is right on....Especially when you really don't know what that word means for you anymore...The worst part (and I'm obviously not there yet) is that...as had  been pointed out... Everyone around you assumes that now that your treatments are over that you have simply moved on....They don't realize that you are perhaps a little unsure of what to do next...That your life has been consummed with your cancer and it's treatment...It's kind of like that "is that all there is" feeling lots of people exprerience when Christmas is over....Remember tha song? 

     Anyway....It's something we all have to deal with in one way or another....

    The same thing happens after the death of a loved one.  People expect you to be "over" it and to  move on rather quickly....They don't realize that grief...Good Grief... takes time...lots of time....There are some bereavements that we never completely get over...and that's OK...as long a we learn to live with it in a healty way...

    Time for another cup of coffee....,<g>

    Sandy

  • larousse
    larousse Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2008

    I finished rads over a month now, will be on tamoxifen for 5 years, I don't know if that 'normal' feeling will ever come back. I know that it is not reasonable but, somehow, in the back of my mind, I am pretty sure that this thing will come back... I hate myself for thinking that but I can't help it.

  • easyquilts
    easyquilts Member Posts: 876
    edited June 2008

    Larousse...Truth be told, I think that in our heart of hearts, we all harbor that same thought.....It's going to come back....  It's hard not to give in to it....

    All we can do is take one day at a time....sometimes one minute at a time...We live on a roller coaster....The ups and downs are so traumatic...I know I am fine one minute, and not so fine the next....I still cannot believe I am prepaing to recieve radiation treatments for breast cancer...it doesn't seem possible....But it is....That's the reality, no matter how normally I try to live my life....

     Maybe that "normal' feeling will never come back...  Who knows?

    All we can do is live as fully as possible....each and every day...

    Sandy

  • HKitty71
    HKitty71 Member Posts: 141
    edited June 2008

    Thank you all for this discussion board, I have been trying to explain to my husband how I feel, even though I am still in the expander stage so I still have doctor visits for expander fills.

    My family, friends and co-workers are all like well lets get back to normal. They are like the cancer has been removed and I did get very lucky that there was no call for chemo and I am thankful for that and I feel guilty about that to, it is really weird. Well frankly normal is not normal anymore. I wish it was but it is forever altered jsut like my breasts and my armpit etc.

    The only place I can say I really feel comfortable is here on the boards, the doctors offices etc. out there feels strange. Does anyone else feel that way? 

  • PhyllisCC
    PhyllisCC Member Posts: 397
    edited June 2008

    HKitty,

    I was just "fine" thru my dx, mast, etc.  When I got the final path, DCIS, clear nodes, etc.  No rads, no chemo I was very relieved.  However, now that I had all the good news (and my reconstruction was underway...with minimal problems) I lost it.  I would burst into tears for no reason...at work, at home, in the car.  If it hadn't been so awful, it would have been funny.  Couldn't understand ...things were actually better and now I was crying.  Finally saw my doctor, who said it was not unusual.  Something like post partum syndrome, plus my hormones were all wacky.  He put me on effexor and it really helped.  I didn't really want to take anything, but was glad I did.  I'm still on it but will hopefully stop taking it before the end of the year.  I just wish I knew at the time that my reaction wasn't all that unusual.  I'm doing better, but I, too, have to learn a new normal.  Take Care.  Phyllis 

  • HKitty71
    HKitty71 Member Posts: 141
    edited June 2008

    Thank you PhyllisCC that sums it up in a nut shell. Between the lumpectomy in April then the non clear DCIS margins at the nipple left from that to a full mastectomy, I kept it all together, made jokes took care of everyone. Now that I am in the reconstruction phase I am so wimpy. Post partum, post traumatic stress whatever it is on top of peri menopause it needs to quit....It is just wearing me out and people do not understand they are like the cancer is gone you should be happy and back to normal.

    I appreciate the advice. 

  • Dansmom
    Dansmom Member Posts: 82
    edited June 2008

    For me there has been this wierd feeling like I should not have been so stressed out about it - now that I'm done it feels like I was over=reacting (which I hate doing!).  But, I keep reminding myself that cancer sucks no matter how lucky you are.  And whatever you are feeling is what you are feeling!

  • 3girls4me
    3girls4me Member Posts: 196
    edited June 2008

     Hi!   I just wanted to add the following paragraph, which I copied from one of those "treatment" booklets that they give you.   I thought it was very straight and to the point, and it really helped me through this difficult months after treatment when I was feeling this way as well.  Hope it helps someone else too!  It doesn't say how to handle it, but it does validate that we're not alone in our feelings.

    "One of the most difficult things to do after a diagnosis and successful treatment of breast cancer is to "move on".  For quite some time, your thoughts have been focused on cancer, and suddenly, your treatment is over, you are told that you are okay, and you are free to move on with your life.  Many of us feel lost when that happens.  And despite what the doctors said, we remain concerned.  Just because tests say that we are fine, after worrying for so long, it's difficult to suddenly stop worrying.  So the post-treatment period can be really difficult and really confusing.   The other thing that happens is that for many of us, we are so focused on treating our breast cancer that we don't really deal emotionally with the fact that we have breast cancer.  Sometimes the reality of this hits only after the treatments are over."

  • flfish
    flfish Member Posts: 423
    edited June 2008

    Thank you SO much for bringing this up.  I have only 7 more rad treatments and I have turned into a "faucet".  The tears just start flowing (usually in the car leaving treatment), but they can start and stop at any time.  My poor family tries to understand.  I was blaming it completely on the Tamoxifen, but after reading these, it could be completely normal.  My tears may not stop, but it helps knowing that I am not alone!

  • Joyce-PA
    Joyce-PA Member Posts: 122
    edited July 2008

    Even though I was pretty lucky; I had DCIS.....lumpectomy...rads and actually had an easy time with the rads, I feel the same way.  I have only been on tamoxifen for  5 months but it is sad to know that this worry is going to be ongoing for the rest of my life.  In the back of my mind, I too think the cancer is going to come back.  I have three sister who were pretty supportive but now since I am "fine", they are back to their own lives, children, etc.  Since I have no kids & my husband passed away five years ago, it is a little overwhelming if you start thinking too hard about it.  How is that for feeling sorry for yourself.  On the up side, I am back to working out regularly, just had my six month check up after radiation; everything came back fine so i know I have alot to be thankful for.  Since I am a pretty private person, It just feels good to vent once in a while in a forum like this where people understand.

  • larousse
    larousse Member Posts: 317
    edited July 2008

    noelle, you sure have good reasons to vent and be sad, but it sounds like you have what it takes to overcome it. Keep up the working out, it seems to take care of most of my problems, physical and mental. 

    flfish, I also lost it at the end of rads, I think that most of us do, one is so burnt, (pun intended) by the end of the tx.

  • Liz08
    Liz08 Member Posts: 470
    edited July 2008

    I too went through a stage of mourning after I finished rads.  Was told it was completely normal.  While in treatment I felt that I was doing something about the cancer after that, I felt like what can I do now?  At fist I felt like a time bomb and still do at times but remind myself that this is the "new normal" and need to move on.  I have done and still am doing everything everything within my power I can about my diagnosis.  A big aspect of dealing with breast cancer is acceptance,  I still can't believe I had breast cancer and that will be in the back of my mind the rest of my life.  Ofcourse, I wish it never happened but it did and I have to accept that because it's not in my power to change it. I remind myself of that constantly. I also remind myself that I am doing everything I can to prevent recurrence.  What does make it more difficult is once treatment ended everyone including my husband just wants to forget about it and move on...well..cancer changes a person forever and there are alot of emotions that have to be delt with but only those who experienced it understand. These boards are a Godsend and have helped me deal with alot of emotions.  I've heard that time does heal and it is getting easier with each passing day. 

  • murphmort
    murphmort Member Posts: 157
    edited July 2008

    What we are all feeling is ok; we have all been through alot and some days can be overwhelming.  I also had a relatively easy time with the surgery - I compared it to a day at the spa since the nurses kept putting warm blankets on me!!  I faced the radiation treatments as I would a project for work - something to get through and checked off my "to do" list.  However, when I only had 5 more treatments left, all my emotions came pouring out.  I could not stop crying, and what I felt badly about was that my 14 year old son was the only one home.  He was very kind and comforting and I wished it didn't happen, but it did.  We were able to laugh about it, and I finally stopped crying, but it took a good 10 minutes ... and then I was ok!!! 

    It is scary to think too far in the future.  But the good news is that if you focus on the positives in your life, you will not go to the dark thoughts, which will only brings you down.  My family calls people who only think in negative terms as "funsuckers". I try very hard to not be a funsucker, to try and be positive every day.  It's not easy, but I think as we heal and get further out from that awful day of hearing the dignosis, it gets easier.  I also have my mom's memory to help me out, as she had ovarian cancer and went through so much more and was so brave throughout her ordeal. 

    One of my 14 year old son's friends, a young girl, recently finished her cancer treatments.  She was over the house last week and looks good, still wears a kerchief on her head, but I kept thinking how unfair that is, for a 14 year old kid to go through chemo.  She has a great attitude and seems to be doing well.  I figure if she can go through this so young, I can face whatever comes at me. 

    Hang in there everyone. 

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited July 2008

    Oh, yeah, April rads girls all hit the same wall at the same time. I totally thought I was insane, I wasn't kidding when I said that I was curled up in a corner weeping. I saw a counselor a couple of times, it helped, although I suspect that I will continue to need help and support.

    Larousse - I have that same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach - Have I learned all this about bc to never have to use it again, or will there come a time when I need it again? The only positive thing I could say is I would be able to walk through the process and talk to the doctors much better, now that I know what's going on. For me, I suspect that this is part of the problem - I felt like such an awful patient - I did this bc thing so badly!  I expected better of myself.

    But, having gotten the funsucker part out of my system, I do want to say that I am returning to my productive self. I have been able to participate in meetings without getting all emotional, mostlyf, and I have completed some projects in the time line I set out. I'm not perfect but I'm returning to me.

  • konacup60
    konacup60 Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2008

    Try watching Joel Osteen on sundays mornings on the discovery channel. Check your local listings. He is so inspirational and you will gain a lot by listening.  He helped me survive the emotions I was going through.  I was depressed and sad and scared. Also turn to religion in your life. It has helped me tremendously.  and if that doesn't work, then tell your doctor so he/she can prescribe an anti-depressant medication.  Lexapro is a good one. You need to get out of the depressed and sad mood so you can go on and live your normal life. Good luck to you and god bless you.

  • anne2121
    anne2121 Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2008

    Hi! Anyone out there triple positive DCIS? Was diagnosed this past March 08, had a core biopsy followed by a lumpectomy in the same month, no rads, on Arimidex, lesion removed on core biopsy still doc decided to do a lumpectomy, all margins clear very small lesion, less than 1cm, still my nerves are on edge, my type of DCIS is cribriform, solid with some necrosis. Any imput on this disease? Worried about not having had rads? Having somewhat of a hard time with all of this ordeal. Thanks to all!

  • louishenry
    louishenry Member Posts: 417
    edited July 2008

    Hi Anne. There really isn't such a thing as triple positive DCIS, as Her2 doesn't apply in DCIS. So, you are ER/PR positive which is very common. Were rads not recommended to you or did you opt out of them for personal reasons? Generally, they are recommended if there was some necrosis or if you were grade 3. The great news is is that docs are trying to not overtreat DCIS but there are instances where rads are appropriate. My dx was DCIS 4mm, removed in biopsy, lump all clean, lower grade, cribriform and micropappilary with no comedo cells. NO rads. I was very nervous about the recommendation so I had 3 other opinions. They all agreed. Look up Mel Silverstein/ Micheal Lagios studies. My docs followed their VNPI index. Good Luck, Nada

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