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  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    Felicia,

    We're way ahead of you yankees here.  We do have one old school look, but they're icons as are the others.  They've been here so long because they don't have turnover at that station.  Your right about the cable news networks.  I'm thinking about it now.  

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008
    Heck you don't get more blonde than those gals at Fox.  LOL Wink
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Here in LA, one of the stations has 2 sometimes 3 ditzy women (2 blondes and an Asian) anchor with a white man with white hair.  Guess he is supposed to be the smart one ... since he is the serious one.  Irritates me so much I refuse to watch it.  Another station has the rainbow of people but they get silly, too and too many "entertainment" stories or personality, skit type things.  I am sorry, I watch for news not to see how to train your pet to jump off a diving board.

  • Ivylane
    Ivylane Member Posts: 544
    edited June 2008

    I will probably get "hate e-mail" for this but those bleached blondes on FOX News are a bunch of twits....  where they find them I don't know. How anyone watches that station is beyond me.

    Ok, bring it on  ....lol 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008
    Blue, I don't think the blondes on Fox are twits.  However, I would think libs would...seems like ya'll can't keep up with FAIR AND BALANCED!  Laughing
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Susie, those "Foxy" girls also wear some low cut blouses tops.  I want to write to the stations and tell them to dress "appropriately."  Could care less what color hair they have.  After all, I have my hair frosted blonde!  Can't wear those low tops with only one real boob and one fake boob.

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited June 2008

    Blue-- I think you need to get your facts straight.  Hillary Clinton was not the only candidate who left her name on the ballot in Michigan.  And she had no reason to take it off--that was not part of any agreement that she signed.  Look it up if you prefer not to believe me.

    In addition, Obama ran TV ads in Florida, contrary to what he agreed.  None of the other candidates ran ads there. Also, it was the Republican legislature that pushed for the early Florida primary.  And until a week ago, in defiance of Democratic rules, the DNC was planning to deny 100% of the delegates.  It only agreed to follow its own rules when it realized it would probably lose Florida in November if it didn't do something--and it will lose Florida anyway. 

    If you have any doubts that Obama is without a single principle, you might consider his comment today, while  trolling for money and votes from the Jewish community, that he intends to keep Jersulem the capital of Israel, undivided.  That is not his decision to make (it is even to the right of Bush's position), and it is opposite of everything he has said in he past.  He is a man who changes his positions day by day, depending on where the money and votes are.  I don't agree with Hillary position on this either, but she's held the same position for years.

    Paulette--I don't now why you're including my name in with those telling folks to move on.  I haven't suggested any one move on, nor do I intend tp myself.  I won't vote for Obama (with or without Hillary on ticket).  I will either write in her name (if allowed in my state--still checking it out), vote for Ralph Nader, or not vote at all.  I doubt I'll ever vote Democratic again (and, in principle, can't vote Republican); I'm too angry at the gender bashing--which is what it was all about!  This, for me, was the last straw in a lifetime of watching women give more and get less.  (Jack Cafferty said of Hillary tonight, that she was a petulent little girl refusing to go to bed when told--referring to the fact that she didn't concede the nomination last night.)  If that's not sexist language, not sure what would qualify.

    Felicia--I don't watch Fox, but MSNBC and CNN have well more than 20% (I'd say closer to 50%) minority analysts on their political shows.  Of course, the main slots are mostly white men, and obnoxious ones at that. I can't even watch Matthews or Oberman any more.  And I've definitely come to the conclusion that liberal men are no more accepting of women in high places than men on the right.

    June--I'd never stand in the pouring rain handing out leaflets--far too sensible for that, but I certainly made hundreds of calls for Hillary Clinton, both from home and from her phone banks, and I certainly have given out leaflets on corners, but generally in good weather.  And from the start of the Iraq war (and before) I marched at least twenty times against the war.  But last night put quit to my ever doing anything political again.  If the world wants to blow itself up, I've come to the conclusion that there's nothing I can do to prevent it.  Hopefully, I'll find a large enough rock to hide under before it happens. 

    And,yes, I'm very angry, although more depressed than otherwise.  I spent most of the day crying while painting woodwork.  Thank goodness I had something to keep me occupied, and thank goodness even more, my husband not only understands, he agrees.  He says he'll vote for Hillary if she runs as an independent.  The last time I cried over an election was the day the Supreme Court announced it was calling off the recount in Florida. My mother was in the hospital, dying, and I was visiting her and watching her TV.  I started to cry when I heard the news and remember so clearly her telling me, it was only an election.  Well, nearly eight years later, we are involved in a horrific war, with many lives lost, our economy is in the drink, and global warming keeps happening--although not apparently in Maine! 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    "If you have any doubts that Obama is without a single principle, you might consider his comment today, while  trolling for money and votes from the Jewish community, that he intends to keep Jersulem the capital of Israel, undivided.  That is not his decision to make (it is even to the right of Bush's position), and it is opposite of everything he has said in he past.  He is a man who changes his positions day by day, depending on where the money and votes are.  I don't agree with Hillary position on this either, but she's held the same position for years."

    AnneShirley---Although we are at different ends of the fence on Israel;

    Obama's pandering today  at  AIPAC had me nearly foaming at the mouth with it's hypocrisy

    ----------------------------

    Today at the AIPAC conference, Nominee Barack Obama declared that "Jerusalem must remain the undivided capital of Israel" in any future agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. But it was only three weeks ago that Daniel Kurtzer, the former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Obama's adviser on middle east policy, announced that "it will be impossible to make progress on serious peace talks without putting the future of Jerusalem on the table." Let's just say that Obama's thoughts on Jerusalem are still in their fluid stage.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Anneshirley, I'm really feeling sad for you right now.  I know it's hard seeing your dream of a woman getting elected blow up in smoke.  I guess I have a different view than you on what happened to Hillary.  I'm sorry, but I think there was just too much baggage and Bill certainly didn't do her any favors.  I for the life of me cannot believe she was behind because of her gender.  I do believe that if some of the crap came out earlier about Obama she may have had a better chance of winning.  I don't know.  It truly is a puzzle.  Why people are so convinced that he can change the world is beyond me.  He says one thing one day and the next day it's a whole 'nother story.  He lies!

    We don't know this man.  We do know Hillary and the things that have happened over her political career.  I am a republican, but would much rather have her as our president than Obama.

    We may not agree on much politically, but I know the feeling of helplessness in this election.  If McCain loses to Obama I'll be crying, but it will be after you have shed all your tears.  I cannot stand to listen to the man.

    I hope you feel better.  Keep painting and when you get done PLEASE come over here and finish my spindles.  PLEASE!

    Hugs to ya, Anneshirley. 

    Shirley

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    I came to terms with Hillary losing this race a month ago.  It was a very exciting race which brought out the masses.  I have feelings of loss because her health care package might have went with her. 

    I just feel so strongly that everyone deserves the same health care that I have.  I feel guilty that I have such a good plan when I know others have nothing but emergency rooms, and as Hillary says, they could be one dx away from financial catastrophe after working for years to be able to afford to retire.

    Another thing that I just found out, and I don't know if it's true, when your husband hits 65 and joins medicare, that leaves the younger wife without insurance if she isn't working, till she hits 65? Is this true?  Thankfully, my husband is younger than me and I won't find this out personally.  But I think of those who have to face this.

    Well, a fond farewell to Hillary, she'll be back in 2012.  Remember, a no vote for McCain is a vote for Obama.  So just vote for Obama already and get it over with.

  • Ivylane
    Ivylane Member Posts: 544
    edited June 2008

    Anneshirley:  WOW!  You really ARE angry... I get it, but I don't think that NOT voting is the answer.  By the way I DID check my facts and from everything I read, Hillary was the ONLY one who left her name on the ballot in Michigan. No, it was NOT part of the agreement that they signed to take their names off the ballot, but the others all chose to do so.  I've said before that I am not an all out Obama fan and I DO like Hillary but I have to agree with  Shirley that her own campaign did her in.  No one saw the "human" side of her until it was too late and I also agree that Bill Clinton put himself out there on the campaign trail too much.  It made people wonder who was REALLY running. Right or wrong, that was the perception.  I also think they (the Clintons) thought they had a lock on this thing.

    I do hope you reconsider voting...it's one of the greatest opportunities we have in this country.  Unfortunately, writing in the name of someone who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning is a vote for the other side (whichever side you're on).

    As far as lying, I think that goes both ways as well.  Do I need remind anyone how we got into this war?   Don't get me started... 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    It's too bad people saw Bill in a bad light. He has great experience and knows the ropes. He would have been a fantastic advisor for her. I really think that news man should get in trouble for his gender biased remark about Hillary. That's insulting to every woman in the USA!

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited June 2008

    Kelly I did have a problem with Bill Clinton.....when I had to explain to my then 10 year old daughter what oral sex was when I really wasn't ready for that conversation and then Bill Clinton to degrade the office of the President of the U.S. in such a disgusting way and to degrade his wife and daughter in front of the whole world...... I did have a problem.......when my ex wants to take our girls to Washington D.C. this summer and my oldest want's to go to see where Bill and Monica did the "nasty" instead of having the respect of the Oval Office regardless of whom is occupy it yes I do have a problem...........Bill Clinton could have been a brilliant politician but he has the sexual demons..........always has and probably always will........Shokk

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited June 2008
  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited June 2008

    Crap sorry I made the page big........Susie if you can post it w/o making the page big I will delete mine....thanks...Shokk

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited June 2008

    Madalyn are you kidding me?......It is somehow "our fault" that Bill Clinton decided to turn the Oval Office into a sex den?.........and your blaming the media for reporting it.........no one is to blame but Bill himself for engaging in a sexual relationship with a girl that was 21 years old and was no way not going to tell all her friends that she was having a sexual relationship with the President of the U.S. and if you are suggesting that his behavior and me having to explain oral sex to my 10 year old was somehow my fault then I think you have been drinking the cool aide and need to get a grip of reality.........and as far as Bill humiliating his wife in front of the whole world has nothing to do with how she "handled it"......actually I thought at the time she handled it quite well.....with what little respect she had left but how ever she decided to deal with her husband is not the point........the point is that Bill Clinton made a mockery of the United States....period.......Shokk

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    Very good article Shokk.  I don't know what happens with dental care

    but my Aunt who lives in the UK would always come to the states to get it done.

    I also had a neighbor that lived in Halifax, Nova Scotia but she'd always come here to see the specialists.  She kept her Blue Shield.  Mind you she got all her medications in Canada.

    This really has to be a bipartisan issue---no easy answers.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    I do not think it's the media's fault for "outing" B. Clinton.  I do not think it's our fault that he pulled a stupid, stupid stunt.  I was angered, ANGERED by his shenanigans.  And I don't believe for one moment that this is the first women with whom he's had "sex."  It's wrong, pure and simple.  WRONG!  It's wrong if my husband cheats on me.  

    I think it's a sad day when Americans start getting so liberal that they give the president or a Senator, a Representative, ANY ONE who is sitting in a "high" palce a pass on adultry or any other sex scandal.  I don't give a rats a** what party they belong to.  Are our morals gone to hell in a hand basket?  And I don't care if other countries laugh at us because we make such a big deal out of it.

    Yes, I do believe he hurt Hillary's campaign for many reasons.

    And, I don't believe we were lied to when going into this war.  Let's put a little blame on Saddam who, I believe, 17 times denied the inspectors to access FREELY the sites that they chose.  He didn't think Bush would come after him.  And yes, I'm sorry this war ever started.  But there were many others who voted for it and now they want to back out of it.  Check some of the statements Obama has made.  He's flip flopped on the war as well.  And, BTW, check his voting records....PRESENT!

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    The problem with most Americans is that they DO NOT understand Universal Health Care.  I had WONDERFUL insurance until this year.  I have to pay full price for my prescriptions until I/we hit our $2200 deductible.  And there's also so much red tape to go through that I didn't in prior years.  However, I would rather keep my health care (IF WE CAN AFFORD IT..ON A FIXED INCOME).  I may be looking for a nice, large, insulated box to live in. LOL

    Shirley

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited June 2008

    To the article in the NY Post, you will always find examples of where a universal health care system failed an individual patient.  It's not difficult.  But then it's not difficult to find examples of where the current U.S. system failed an individual patient.  So let's not make too much out of a couple of examples. 

    It is true that there are some drugs & procedures approved by the FDA and available to U.S. patients that are not yet approved in Canada - or they may be approved but are not yet funded by the government.  On the other hand, I know for a fact that there are some leading-edge drugs and procedures that are approved and available in Canada that are not yet approved and available in the U.S..  Each country has their own regulatory body and drugs & new medical procedures aren't always approved on the same schedule.  Additionally, once a drug or new procedure is approved by HealthCanada, there may be some time before it is on the formulary, i.e. approved for funding by government agencies.  This is no different than what you find in the U.S. with insurance companies - they don't always pay for the newest, most expensive drug when there is another drug available that does the same thing.  In Canada, what this means is that the drug can be prescribed but the patient must pay himself (or with insurance).  If a patient chooses to take a drug that isn't funded, all his/her other medical costs continue to be covered.

    Lastly, to the example of the Canadian man who had to pay for Avastin himself rather than get it for free from HealthCanada, if he was living in the U.S, would he not have had to pay for the drug himself?  Certainly in the U.S., if he had insurance, some of his cost would have been covered but most policies have spending caps and all sorts of qualifications criteria, so in all likelihood his full treatment cost would not have been covered in the U.S. even if he had insurance.  And let's acknowledge that this is an example of the failure of the Canadian system only because in the majority of cases, the patient's treatment would have been covered at no cost. 

    The Canadian health care system is far from perfect, but I've lived in the U.S. and I can't tell you how grateful I was that my BC diagnosis came after I was back living in Canada.   I can't imagine having had better care anywhere else and my total out-of-pocket cost was probably around $60.  Now, to be fair, the univeral health care system that Obama proposes is nothing like the Canadian system, so I have no idea how that system will work and whether or not it will be a net benefit for the majority of Americans.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    I have new insurance because AT&T bought out Bell South.  I never received a bill for chemo.  I never received a bill for bloodwork.  I had to meet a $200 deductible.  I had $15 copays for docs and $20 for hospital.  I never received a bill for my mastectomy, CT scan, CT/Pet scan, Muga, Port, Neulasta.  My copays for drugs were $8 for generic and $15 for name brand.  And, we could used name brand if we chose.  I brought home over $4000 worth of Xeloda from the Duke pharmacy..it cost me $5 because we had reached a limit and all drugs were then $5.  That was then.  And we've been screwed since AT&T is our "new" insurance.  I have no idea if there's a cap on cancer treatment.  I didn't have one through Bell South.  So, I'll continue to gripe about my NOW insurance because I was quite spoiled, to say the least!

    I'm happy, Beesie, that you've had good experience.  I wonder how Universal Health Care treats the elderly.  Do they get the same treatment as the younger person?  I realize it also would depend on the health of the person. 

    Our government says they cannot afford Hillary's healthcare plan.  Of course our taxes would have to be raised a lot in order to cover everyone.  This she forgot to tell us.

    Shirley

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    I think that article was describing a gov't run health care system.  Hillary's isn't gov't run.  You get the same insurance I have which is pretty good, not as good as paying nothing though.  You can choose any provider you wish to.

    The biggest problem I can see with it, we have 50 million uninsured right now.  When everyone gets into a plan, I don't think the Dr.s offices are ready for all the new business they'd be getting.  That's a lot of people who've been putting off needed medical attention.  They might get turned away because there just isn't enough Dr.s to go around.  I hope Hillary goes back to the Senate and fights for her plan. 

    Speaking of Hillary, she now says she doesn't want the Veep spot.  She must be reading those emails.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited June 2008

    "Our government says they cannot afford Hillary's healthcare plan.  Of course our taxes would have to be raised a lot in order to cover everyone.  This she forgot to tell us."

    Shirley, You have to read her plan for yourself.  You can't let anyone tell you something that you haven't read first.  Start at the last page, and you'll see the billions she plans to save.

  • Jaybird627
    Jaybird627 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited June 2008

    My comments for what they're worth:

    Junie, you are correct - what are her supporters doing? Well, some of us just sit here and support. If I can't find time to date there's no way I can find time to help Hillary. I did send her some money, more than I could afford to, just because I SO want(ed) her to be MY next president.

    Blue, your comment wasn't directed towards me but it is my right as an American to vote or not or to write-in a candidate. I have never not voted (I take that privilege very seriously since women had to fight way too long for that 'right') but I just cannot vote for any current candidate so I'm in a quandary as to what to do.

    I'd hate to see Hillary compromise and accept a vice-president position but I could hope that something would happen to Obama and then she'd become The President but that isn't right so I'll settle for writing her in. She is a class act and while I don't care what Bill (or any other president for that matter) did/does sexually I do believe he has held her back by his 'antics' and it will be hard for her to overcome his indiscretions. Again, I can look past things like that but Puritanical Americans cannot (sadly).

    Oh, and Shirley, I suppose Kennedy a bad man for carrying on with Marilyn? Wasn't he our most favorite president ever???

    Shokk - I just shake my head because I just don't know what to say.

    For all you religious types "judge not lest ye be judged". What any person does sexually should not reflect on their ability to do their job. Like no one here knows anyone in a marriage of convenience?

    I'm going to continue to support who I think has my best interests in mind and will hope that the next 4 years go by VERY quickly. And in the mean time I will teach my daughter to not judge people if she has no personal knowledge of them.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited June 2008

    Rosemary--I've been hearing the most vile things from the commentators

    regarding Hillary.

    For her to get over it.  She's had her chance. She will not be a candidate in 2012 or 2016---Her time has come and gone--Get over it and fall in line---

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    That after what she did for Obama at AIPAC yesterday.  She's going to campaign her guts out for this guy.  What a shabby way to treat her.

    Here is an example:

    Stick a fork in Hillary Clinton - no, use a stake instead

    BY THOMAS M. DEFRANK
    DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

    Thursday, June 5th 2008, 4:00 AM

    WASHINGTON - If elected, Barack Obama has pledged to meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to ease global tensions.

    That may be easier than negotiating with a wounded, defiant Hillary Clinton.

    Obama just thought he won the Democratic nomination Tuesday, making history while also vanquishing the most powerful brand in Democratic politics. Clinton wasn't convinced.

    Her surprisingly graceless speech after winning the South Dakota primary was a fresh reminder of what a senior Bush adviser said a month ago:

    "The Clintons don't know the meaning of the word gracious. They won't go until somebody drives a stake through their hearts."

    The problem for Hillary is that fellow Democrats, including some of her own loyalists, echo that sentiment.

    "What is she smoking?" said a baffled Democratic activist and veteran party official. "She's swimming in another world of denial. Even her own people can't believe that speech."

    Those breathless leaks that Hillary is suddenly interested in being the first woman vice president were so clumsily orchestrated they seemed craven rather than credible.

    For all their legendary self-absorption and sense of entitlement, the Clintons are clearly exhausted and haven't fully absorbed the magnitude of their dual defeat. That may explain why two of the most accomplished practitioners in political history are behaving in a manner that doesn't help their reputation - or Bill's legacy.

    If Hillary really wants to be vice president, she's damaged her chances - always slim, at best - by refusing to acknowledge Obama's narrow but solid victory and positioning herself as an embittered obstructionist.

    So what's her game?

    It may be as simple as R-E-S-P-E-C-T. With 18 million votes in her pantsuit pocket, she's entitled, and Obama knows it.

    Her laundry list is also known to include Obama's commitment to universal health care coverage, their only real policy difference, and help with retiring her campaign debt.

    Some of her staunchest boosters are hoping she stands down by the weekend and positions herself for a comeback by embracing the Obama phenomenon and instructing her angry feminist backers to close ranks.

    The supreme risk to her future is hanging too tough for too long. For two people who still desperately want to return to the White House, being tarred as spoilers whether Obama wins or loses in November would be a far more lethal defeat than Tuesday's.

    tdefrank@nydailynews.com

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    Personally I think Anne Shirley's husband is right.  She would make a great independent candidate----but probably in 2012---

    Why not?  Lieberman did it---Bloomberg did it.  Probably would have a better chance as an independent running for President than any candidate in history.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited June 2008

    Oops.  Double post.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited June 2008

    Shirley, to your question, within the Canadian system, children and the elderly get extended coverage.  There are some things that are not covered for younger adults that are covered for the elderly, including more extensive drug coverage.

    (By the way, is it just me, or is BC.org really slow these days?)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    What Bill did is not right --- morally. Politically, I benefitted from his economics.  I could give a rat's butt if he has sex with everyone as long as he does the right thing with his pen!  Honestly, he is not the 1st president to be caught in the act and he won't be the last but we live in a media frenzied world that loves the dirt on people. Even Roosevelt had a lady friend. JFK had more than one affair. It just wasn't well known.

    The media used to have respect for the Office of the Presidency and would not publicize those things which would bring reproach on them. Even Roosevelt was not photographed for newsprint while sitting in his wheelchair...they'd wait til he buckled his leg braces so he could stand.

    I am not saying that the media should be muzzled but certainly we don't need to gobble up what they serve and ask for more. Gluttony is not a good thing.

    It's too bad that woman, Linda Tripp, did what she did and taped her conversations with Monica. Monica wasn't trying to get him in trouble and she was not forced into anything, she was willing.

    I am not debating whether or not adultery is wrong, but just like I feel about homosexuality ... do whatever you want .... is the way I feel about adultery ... do whatever you want.  I am not the Bedroom Police.  I am not going to hold other people up to my personal standards. Heck, I can't even expect my dd to hold up mine so I hope I influence her well so that way I can respect her choices and lifestyle (hope hope hope she chooses well).

    But Hillary is a liar ... and that hurt her.  When she started her sniper fire story, people didn't want to go thru more lies and more Ken Starr episodes ...they had enough of spending tax dollars to investigate the sex-capades of Bill with Paula Jones and then Whitewater, and who can forget Gennifer Flowers?  We spent so much money trying to make them behave instead of spending it on our own country.

  • Ivylane
    Ivylane Member Posts: 544
    edited June 2008

    Rocktobermom:  I couldn't agree more.....dirt sells PERIOD.  There are more than enough "sexcapades" on both sides of the aisle, and I for one am sick of hearing about all of it. There's nothing to be gained from it. 

  • Ivylane
    Ivylane Member Posts: 544
    edited June 2008

    You go girl Madalyn....

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