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  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    I AM very proud of you, Kristy. (I'm very proud of all of us, of course, regardless of our pate status.)  I am sitting at my non-profit volunteer gig bald bald (all-women office --- it's really too easy).  Rode the subway bald bald (clutching a cap, just in case).  Walked around at lunch bald bald.  It keeps getting easier and easie, esp with the incentive of 85-degree weather.  I wonder, maybe loads of wig-wearing bald women are watching and thinking: "Hmmm, I'm not alone in my follically challenged status."  I do wish I could see another bald bald woman.  I'm going to chemo bald bald tomorrow.

    I also have found I have almost no Neulasta pain. Quite possibly, this is due to luck.  But I have been moving around as much as I can. 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited June 2008

    Rockthebald, I have chemo tx #4 tomorrow, but I can't do it bald-bald.  It just wouldn't be acceptable, here in the Deep South.  People here are too conventional (conservative?  stuffy?).

    There was a student in one of the freshman courses I was teaching a few years ago who would show up each week with his hair a different color.  When that didn't impress anybody, he came in one day with a gold stud in his tongue, and made sure that he answered A LOT of questions that day.  Now, pink hair and a pierced tongue wouldn't attract attention along the east or west coasts of the U.S....but here along the Gulf Coast, it was a little unusual. Except, of course, to the two of us teaching the course, who had lived through the late 60's and 70's at much more liberal college campuses.

    The first time I sat in the crowded waiting room at my infusion center, I was struck by the fact that only one person waiting there was bald.  Everyone had a full head of hair except for one woman who looked to be in her late 40's.  She was wearing a ball cap and big hoop earrings.  I thought she looked brave.

    So, the second time I sat in the waiting room at my infusion center, I was wearing a ball cap and hoop earrings.  Then I noticed that most of the other people waiting there were wearing wigs.  They just looked like they had hair.  Once you get a close look at a wig, it's pretty easy to tell.  My perspective had changed completely.

    I'm not sure what I'll wear tomorrow.  It's my last chemo tx, and rumor says the nurses have a little celebration and sing a "last chemo" song.  Maybe I'll borrow AlaskaDeb's Indian headdress.

    otter 

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited June 2008

    Legend has it that there's a bald woman in her 20s who lives in the slightly-more-bohemian fringe of my otherwise uptight suburb. One day a few years ago she just got fed up with her hair, and shaved it all off.  People refer to her as "the bald chick." 

    I'm a little worried that if I start going out bald, too, people will distinguish between us by calling me "the OLD bald chick."  Or - horrors! - "the bald matron."

    But I did experiment with a bald run yesterday.  I never care how I look when I run - there's something about sweat and flying spittle and gnats plastered to your skin that works against vanity - so it wasn't that hard, and I have to say, it felt great.  And in the ultimate display of self-conscious un-self-consciousness, I ran in an (unstuffed) bra top.

    A one-breasted, bald-headed runner?  Take that, Grosse Pointe!

    Linda

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited June 2008

    OMG, Otter, I'd momentarily forgotten that tomorrow was your chemo graduation day.  Best of luck to you and the rest of the Wednesday group!

    Kristy/Eddie/whoever else is going in on Thursday . . . see you in the islands. 

    Linda

  • SusanDL123
    SusanDL123 Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    Hi,

    Today is day 15 (or 16 depending how you count) after Tx 1 of TC. My scalp is quite sore.  Yesterday I washed my hair for the first time in 4 days and afterwards I had a few hairs come out.  Today, there are more coming out than there were yesterday.  I have some caps and I pick up my wig tomorrow.  I think & hope I will be able to go to work in the morning and not look bald.  They will cut off my hair and style the wig in the afternoon. 

    It is good to have someone to share this with. 

  • collector
    collector Member Posts: 193
    edited June 2008

    I'm in the same spot.  Day 16 for me and I keep finding unrooted hair hanging in my face.  Quite a bit came out in my brush as well and I'm trying to prepare myself for sporting a "new look" at my class tomorrow morning. I keep hoping I've shed all the tears for this particular side effect but I doubt it.  Just called the onco nurse regarding my alternating seiges with diarhea and constipation.  She advises me to give it another 24 hours and to eat "normally" which sounds OK to me but I really hate seeing my IBS going crazy when it had been under control prior to Tx1.  Sigh!  Congrats to all of you graduates.  Can't wait to see the end of this for myself but I'm not even halfway.

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited June 2008

    YAY Otter!!  Last treatment celebrations!  Congrats!

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    Otter, Congratulations. I am tearing up at the thought of this being your last chemo.  My chemo was so much easier because of you and your generous intelligence.  How many women you have reassured and educated with your posts.  I hope that you count your presence and participation on this listserv among your (no doubt considerable) list of life achievements.  From the bottom of my heart, thank you.

    ****** 

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    The last thing I would ever want is for Otter or anybody to feel like bald bald is It. Anymore than I would ever want to feel like Hair is It, or Wig is It, etc. Bald bald is making me stronger, accepting of my self. Or at least that is what I told myself today when I got stranded on a median on Madison Ave waiting for the light to change!

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    JULIE:

    HAPPY 25TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY!!!! (Wednesday)

  • beachmom13
    beachmom13 Member Posts: 313
    edited June 2008

    We've talked a lot about hair or rather the lack of it.  The other day I was at Sam's club and for some reason it hit me.  Before I was dx I never gave any thought to anyone's head.  Never paid it any attention.  Surely there were people with ca and there were bald people, but  can't remeber seeing any.  I'm taking that to mean that no one is interested in my head either.  It also doesn't mean I'm ready to go out bald.  Almost did, but dh brought my hat to the car for me. 

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Just a quick pop-in to say:

    Sending good thoughts for tomorrow to Adrienne, Rock, Lee, Jean and Eddie!!  Smile

    And a very special congratulations and good wishes to our Otter!  Taa Daa!!  Laughing

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Collector - I hear you about the IBS issues, although my IBS was never like this!! 

    Lee - That's a really interesting observation.  Probably our hair issues are just that - our issues.  I know it hasn't been long enough, but every so often I have felt that my whole head has been tingling.  I shared this with my good friend at work today and we laughed about it.  She knows me well enough and said "Does it feel like all your hair is going to suddenly fall off?"  Remember the christmas tree in the Peanuts' christmas special - all the needles fall off at once?   Yeah, kind of like that...

    I know it won't happen that way, but it's a similar fear to the one I had when I was pregnant.  The one that my water would break at work (it never did).  But the fact that it could was unnerving.  Working in a men's prison is unnerving to begin with, but I'm usually o.k. with it.  The only other time I have felt this vulnerable was when I was pregnant.  Hmmmmm.....

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    congrats otter...I can;t wait until I am in your spot!

    Help!  I woke up today with a sore throat.  Now, my tongue hurts, kind of like I have been sucking on hard candy all day...any thoughts?

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Randie - I have had a sore throat since the day after chemo, but not a fever.  If your temp is up, you might need to call your doc.  Or you might want to call anyway!  I have not been too worried about it, but I've had a lot of mouth/throat weirdness that past few days.

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    no fever, just weird throat tongue...

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008
    Well, no fever is good, so it's probably just chemo weirdness.  Hope it goes away soon.  Tongue out
  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    RanD:  It could be (what was the word Otter used?) mucositis.  Your description fits what I've been feeling exactly (and I prefer yours to my sense of having burned my mouth on hot soup). I bumped up my Biotene rinsing and it seemed to help a lot. I also bought a little bottle of Biotene Oral Balance Dry Mouth Moisturizer which I carry around with me.

    Then again, I type this with what shows every sign of being a cold! Maybe? Or not? Implications for chemo in 7.5 hours? (It's 1:30 am). 

    Re: Hair. For what it's worth, I offer the following schedule of my hair loss.  I was surprised by how much it upset me. And I am hugely relieved that I now feel okay. A couple rough days, but then I am okay.  We won't always feel this weird.  I also think it was good that I made myself hang out with friends.  I could feel myself withdrawing, which only made me feel like more of a freak.  But that's just my experience. It might not be yours. I know people might be thinking "Enough with the hair, already!" but I post anyway just in case it reassures someone.  If I could sit next to you and console you, believe me, I would.

    Wed: Chemo #2 (A/C)

    Thurs: Hair starting to fall. Tufts come out without much effort during a "shedding phase" (my hair seems to shed a lot in the evening but at other times, not at all). I go to museum with a friend.

    Friday: Much like Thursday. Increased feeling of my scalp crawling off my head. I don't want to leave the house. I blame chemo, but part ofit is just feeling like a freak. I have brunch outside with a friend. Visit other friends that evening.

    Saturday***: Hair falling and coming out really rapidly. The hardest day, psychologically.  I barely leave my apartment.

    Sunday: The big shave, followed by a long hike with a friend.

    Monday:  I hang out with a friend all day wandering around wearing a little kerchief with an elastic on the back. I start to adapt.

    Tuesday: Tons of hair sheds in the shower that night. (It looks look iron shavings; I'm very glad my hair is so short otherwise it'd be a mess. And NYC plumbing couldn't handle it.)

    Wednesday: I start to feel like myself again. I start to get used to this being me.

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008
    thanks, me and Ben and Jerry are sitting down having a visit....Tongue out
  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    rock:  that's it!!!  It feels like mucus in my throat..will rinse after my ice cream fix!

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Guess I'm used to the mucous feeling from all my allergies (which are in full force)...so that's what it's called...lol

    By the way, Mucinex helps too.  It's over the counter.  I take 2 of them.

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    Okay, I decdied not to feel sorry for myself and my soreness...lol. so I went  father's day shopping.

    Found online at buy.com a really nice Waterman pen for $10...dad, uncle, husband an stepson..

    Then My dh has been talking about aBlackberry, our carrier wants $329 for one.  So, I called them up, told them that ATT had mae me an incredible $99 offer and could they top it.  They countered with $139 (score!!!) plus 2 months free wireless service and a flat fee of $19.95 for each month after if I wanted to use it...woo hoo...dh has no idea what a deal he's getting, plus all the kids are chipping in.....

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited June 2008

    Another suggestion for the sore throat/mouth/tongue thing . . . try rinsing and gargling with warm salt water (or baking soda in water).  I'm not sure why it works, but it does.  Do it every few hours, if you can stand it.

    (I like Biotene for daily use, just 'cause it tastes a whole lot more pleasant than salt water, but if I feel - or even think I might feel - mouth sores developing, I switch to salt water.)

    Linda

  • SharonF
    SharonF Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    Otter-BEST of luck today!  I hope it goes well...I know your last one wasn't all that easy, but just keep telling yourself that it's done!  We're all thinking about you as you take that last dip in the pool, and can't wait to hear from you when it's over!

    Good luck to everyone else on tap today, as well.  I need to print out the list of when everybody goes.  Anyone know what page of this thread it's on??? 

    Sharon

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited June 2008

    Good morning wild women of chemo...

    I wish the Wednesday women a smooth infusion. ANYONE going tomorrow (June 5) other than me? This is my second A/C. I have had one neulasta shot and had some ache deep in my bones. Walking each day is helping with everything so I am thinking that maybe that is helping with that ache as well. Haven't had metal mouth for three days now. I go to check, today, that my port has healed properly. Anyone use EMLA on their port before they start or is that the biggest weenie deal in the world?

  • robink
    robink Member Posts: 336
    edited June 2008

    SharonF:  the list is on page 18.  It only has start dates, not nearly as organized as otter's list on the t/c thread. 

    Robin

  • robink
    robink Member Posts: 336
    edited June 2008

    Eddie: I have a port that has been accessed twice.  1st time subcutaneous lidocaine was used, the lido stings but is effective with pain control.  2nd time a spray was used (makes the skin very cold and therefore numbs it) which I found rather ineffective, I didn't feel the initial puncture but felt a good deal of pressure.  Next time I'd like to try EMLA cream.

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited June 2008

    Hey Rockthebald,

    I will watch your hair schedule as mine is "scheduled" to start falling the day after chemo number two . . . so Friday. Our friend, Larry, is my shaving buddy. They have a lovely standard poodle and he does such a good job that I am thinking I could look good. Okay, I know I am not prepared for this in ANY way, shape or form, but I already told him I would probably be crying and he is fine with that. Someone mentioned "best practices" for getting it all off . . . just go for the shortest look and use duct tape? Seriously, let me know your best plans...I have very, very thick hair and I am hoping that once it goes, it goes. It has been chilly here in the northwest and I am told I ought to actually plan on some caps to stay warm (New York and 85 degrees this is not). Anyway, first I have to get to chemo two and my white bloodcells need to be good and blah, blah, blah so why am I planning the hair part? Because I think this is going to be big.

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited June 2008

    robink

    If I try it, I'll share with you the results. I will ask my doctor if it is even an option...I think it is. I used that spray for one of my MRI dye journeys. It felt cool (and cold) going on and it did work for that. You'd think I would be used to needles by now. I am better than I was. My port isn't all the way healed from the actual surgery so I'll go check it out today to make sure we are good to go. What blows me away, robink, is that I was diagnosed just two months ago today. We have learned so much in such a short time. It is like pregnancy...you become an expert for five minutes on what you are experiencing . . . you take it in as you can...you share with others what is occurring and you move to the next stage. Wild concept. Talk to you soon. Thanks for sharing.

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited June 2008

    Eddie - I too "had" thick hair.  It took about 7 days for it to get to the point where I thought it was now looking too thin and unhealthy and had my husband shave it off.  Mine started falling out, seriously, on day 17 after first treatment.

    It has been rather cool here.  I've had to wear a hat in the house to keep my head from getting too cold.  As far as the duct tape question, I personally use a lint roller (the tape kind).  Like rock described, its like little iron shavings left on the roller.

    Good luck tomorrow.

    ~Adrienne

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