Starting Chemo May 2008

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  • SharonF
    SharonF Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    Hi everyone! It's really hard to get caught up when you haven't been here in a couple of days.  This weekend I have pretty much just gone from nap to nap to survive.  I can't get over the fatigue!  My biggest complaint right now is cracks at the corner of my mouth.  Other than carmex/chapstick, any suggestions?

    Got a question...when we're talking about our day "whatever" of treatment, are you all starting with tx day as Day #1 or is the NEXT day #1?  Just want to be consistent!

    Welcome to the new kids on the block!

    Sharon

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited June 2008

    This will be quick, because I promised myself (and my long distance boyfriend, who's here for the next week) that I was going to shut this computer off soon and curl up with the (physical) paper.

    First off, more birthday wishes to Rock and Nancy.

    Second, on stepping out bald - I think it's a great idea, for all the stated reasons.  Even though I'm not there yet.  I've been thinking about it, but I dunno . . . I can manage for brief periods or special circumstances (like yesterday's run, when I had no choice after my damn cap blew off), but I find myself reaching for caps, hats and scarves when I go out in public.  I do think there's a kind of desensitization process involved.  A quick errand, as for Rock, or maybe a short run on an especially nice day - wind caressing my scalp, etc. - for me, and it starts to feel just a little less weird.

    We're all kind of new at this, so who knows what solutions we'll find as the summer goes on.

    Finally, Eddie - sounds like we've got ourselves a Thursday date at the beach!  It'll be my farewell dose of AC before I move on to Taxol.

    Linda

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited June 2008

    Sharon, I've been assuming each chemo cycle is 21 days (or 14 for some of us).  So, the day of my chemo treatment is day 1 of that cycle.

    I think some people count the other way, though--day 1 is the first day after their chemo treatment.

    Maybe there is a rule about this?

    otter 

  • SusanDL123
    SusanDL123 Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    I started chemo May 19. I have been on the TC board but glad I checked this one today. I am waiting for my hair to start going. My scalp is sore. I wish I had the guts to go out bald but I don't think I do or will. I have bought a bunch of caps and I will get my wig on Wed. Hope my hair lasts till then.



    I have felt fine since about day 9. Metallic taste gone. Drinking coffee again. Burping (I had it too) stopped. BTW I chewed Rolaids a lot and they really helped. My next tx is on June 9. If the whole thing is like the first one, it won't be so bad. At least now I know what to expect.

  • SusanDL123
    SusanDL123 Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    I started chemo May 19. I have been on the TC board but glad I checked this one today. I am waiting for my hair to start going. My scalp is sore. I wish I had the guts to go out bald but I don't think I do or will. I have bought a bunch of caps and I will get my wig on Wed. Hope my hair lasts till then.



    I have felt fine since about day 9. Metallic taste gone. Drinking coffee again. Burping (I had it too) stopped. BTW I chewed Rolaids a lot and they really helped. My next tx is on June 9. If the whole thing is like the first one, it won't be so bad. At least now I know what to expect.

  • SusanDL123
    SusanDL123 Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    I started chemo May 19. I have been on the TC board but glad I checked this one today. I am waiting for my hair to start going. My scalp is sore. I wish I had the guts to go out bald but I don't think I do or will. I have bought a bunch of caps and I will get my wig on Wed. Hope my hair lasts till then.



    I have felt fine since about day 9. Metallic taste gone. Drinking coffee again. Burping (I had it too) stopped. BTW I chewed Rolaids a lot and they really helped. My next tx is on June 9. If the whole thing is like the first one, it won't be so bad. At least now I know what to expect.

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Sharon - I also count tx day as Day 1.  And I find Vaseline works really well for me, better than Chapstick. 

    Welcome, Susan.  There are a lot of friends here.

    Does anyone have tx this week on Monday or Tuesday?  I know we have groups on Wednesday and Thursday.  If anyone goes tomorrow, here's raising a glass for you and let us know. 

  • Debbiem425
    Debbiem425 Member Posts: 103
    edited June 2008

    hi everyone

    Susan Welcome - I am new here also. I am a few days behind you - started on the 22nd so I am curious to hear how your hair week goes. I have my wig and plan to go to the place I bought it from when the shedding starts.  They will shave my head and fit the wig. Only my two bosses at work know I am having chemo so until I am ready to share with my coworkers a wig is a must.  Maybe they will figure it out with my new hair.  I always wanted highlights but have been too cheap to pay for them so I got a wig with highlights.  The hair shade is a bit off too but they know I vary with that anyways to cover the gray.  I actually love the color of the wig so when my hair grows back I plan to match the color.

    As far as counting days my oncologist says chemo day is day 1.

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited June 2008

    Adrienne,

    I go in the day after you and I believe you have two full days to get over the cold. I wish you a full recovery. The cold will go. Good night. 

  • SharonF
    SharonF Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2008

    Thanks everyone! I guess I'll count tx day as Day #1!

    Sharon

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited June 2008

    Hi Everyone,

    Rock- I think just go for it- I ended up at a local Mexican restaurant bald by accident- I had picked up one of my kids and took the hat off in the car (its in the 90s here in East Texas already) and just forgot to put it back on. I saw my reflection in the restaurant window and send Adam back after the cap. However, while I was standing in front of the restaurant and several people were coming and going, noone had any kind of negative reaction - sure taught me a lesson since I thought people would stare or something. I will probably end up bald at least at some locations since the heat is rising rapidly!

    How long did it take everyone to completely lose their hair? I buzzed my head but I still have 40-50% of my hair and treatment #3 is Thursday- I sure thought it would all be gone by now. Wondering how long it took other people to get completely bald?

    Kristy

  • Jeano77
    Jeano77 Member Posts: 237
    edited June 2008

    I stepped away from the computer for the weekend and finally caught up!

    Additional birthday wishes to Rock and Nancy!

    Linda:  Congratulations on an amazing run!  7 minute miles are VERY impressive!  That is too cool that you came in 2nd in the survivor race.  I ran a 5 mile run yesterday, but you have inspired me to "pick up the pace".  I have been running slower than normal (although I feel good), worried I will burn up too much energy. 

    Eddie:  I think that I am on the same schedule as you.  I go to the pool for A/C tx #2 this Wednesday (bi-weekly).  My first tx knocked me on my butt.  Fatigue was incredible!  I am hoping that this goes better. 

    All of the tips on the board have been incredibly helpful - thanks to all.  I too am on the verge of losing my hair and howled at the many stories, easing my anxiety about it. 

    Jean

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited June 2008

    Jean..it looks like you're in the pool with rockthebald and I on Wednesday.  I'm thinking an island somewhere in warm and tropical Micronesia.  Just looking up islands makes me want to go.

  • JulieC
    JulieC Member Posts: 324
    edited June 2008

    Hi everyone!

    Otter - congrats on #4!

    Rock the bald - same to you on going "bald bald".  Maybe that's what I want to try when my hair comes out.  I keep feeling like a bought a wig for a lot of other people, but not necessarily because I wanted me.  Let us know how it goes and any reactions you get.

    Robink - I'm definitely feeling better today.  I think I got in such  panic when I didn't feel well that I overdid all of the meds.  I'm trying to stay hydrated - not something that I do well when not undergoing chemo.  I just can't stand water.  We did buy some of the Special K protein water and it isn't too bad.  I had all of the anti-nausea meds and called and got more once I was at home.  Now I'm just going with a less is more approach and only taking what I really need.

    To all the newbies - keep asking the questions because we all learn something with each new question asked.

    Thanks,

    Julie

  • Lenny
    Lenny Member Posts: 13
    edited June 2008

    Whew, I have been at the lake this last week (no Internet) and have spent the last hour catching up on your posts. 

    Otter, thanks so much for your advice on Prolosec.  I was already on Prolosec before all of this so they told me to double it.  I can't imagine how bad the burps would have been without it.  This time it was still bad but tolerable.  Walking helps.

    I finished 2xt on Wednesday.  The weekend was really bad but am much much better today.  The infections seem to have gone as well.  Today is the hair thing...it was just coming out in handfulls. I got tired of cleaning it up so I went and had my beautician (she works from home) give me the buzz cut.  She then styled my wig to make it look like me.  I plan to wear the turbans at home and the wig at work.  There is a shop in the town I work that carries all the scarves, hats, etc.  I plan to go by there tomorrow during lunch and get some more. 

    I promised to give the words to a song that has really helped me...

    Sorry, I don't know the writer.

    "Someone said that in this life, some rain is bound to fall.  Each one sheds his share of tears and trouble troubles us all.  But, the hurt won't hurt forever and the tears are bound to dry.  It won't rain always, the clouds will soon be gone. The sun that they have been hiding has been there all alone.  It won't rain forever God's promises are true.  The sun's going shine in His own time and He will see you through."

    Prayer does help. 

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited June 2008

    Very nice Lenny...thank you for sharing.  I found the following:

    IT WON'T RAIN ALWAYS
    (Gloria Gaither / Bill Gaither / Aaron Wilburn)

    Bill & Gloria Gaither

    I hope you had a great time at the lake!  I hope you're feeling better after a rough weekend.

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    I walked through Central Park and then down Madison Ave to the zoo today with a friend. Bald bald.  It felt great.  And honestly, there were not that many looks (or maybe I was oblivo). Little little kids stared, but they are little kids.  My friend  pointed out that what we might assume is a judgmental or disapproving expression could actually be someone thinking "Are my hemorrhoids returning?" or "Did I turn off the iron before I left home?" or "That reminds me, I need to buy onions."

    People, even if you're not ready for public bald bald, don't rule out being bald bald at home.  Whatever you're comfortable with . . . (Hurray, Kristy! Inadvertent baldness has a lot to recommend it!)

    My head was shaved and I probably have 25% of what I had before.

    Adrienne: I LOVE THE AVATAR.   Jean and I will meet you next to the palm tree on Wednesday! 

    My theme song is Rare Earth's I Just Want to Celebrate (and Fleetwood Mac's Landslide for my more pensive moods). Other songs I have been living with are on Rock the bald, the iMix.

    I just want to celebrate, yeah, yeah
    Another day of living, yeah
    I just want to celebrate another day of livin'
    I just want to celebrate another day of life
    Don't let it all get you down, no, no
    Don't let it turn you around and around and around and around and around
    Well, I can't be bothered with sorrow
    And I can't be bothered with hate, no, no
    I'm using up the time but feeling fine, every day
    That's why I'm telling you . . .  I just want to celebrate 

    Please remind me in two weeks that I am basically a happy optimistic person when I get the results of my BRCA test which they fully expect to come back positive.  (Quote:  "Lets put it this way. If the BRCA tests come back negative, we will keep looking at other genes. Because something is up with your family.") That's why I'm telling you, I just wanna celebrate.... 

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    Way to go to you all for embracing your bald selves...lol...

    Had a little chat with my 5 yo ds and he and I have made a pact that next week we both give each other a Mohawk...he is so excited hehad to tell the other sibs who look at us as if we are crazy....

    i plan on rocking the bald as well since it gets so hot here in the summer,just plannng on a hat for church and being out side with the 12 yo dd....

  • Debbiem425
    Debbiem425 Member Posts: 103
    edited June 2008

    I have a question and I am not sure it belongs here or on the reconstruction board.  I had my exchange surgery 6 weeks ago and am halfway between my first and second chemo.  The last two days I felt great.  Today I was exhausted at work and came home a little early.  When I changed I noticed that my boobs are all red around my insicion.  The incision itself is not swollen or anything but the skin is all red.  Drs office is closed and it doesn't seem like an emrgency.  Has antone had anything like that happen?

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Debbie - Sorry I can't answer your question, but I hope that it's nothing to worry about.  Sending good thoughts your way...

    If I'm catching all the posts, it looks like we have Adrienne, Rock, Lee, Jean and Eddie all on deck for Wednesday (by the second palm tree, no less).  I know there's a Thursday group, but not sure who. 

    Every day has been a little better (except for the constipation...which is taking it's time, hahaha).  I had bloodwork today and the numbers were very close to pre-tx.  I get them checked again on Friday.  So I was telling my dh about that and mentioned that I will have to figure out what to do with my hair appointment on Friday, and what am I thinking?!?  We don't need no stinkin' hair cuts!  Duh.

    I have a question for you all - has anyone had a yeast infection right after chemo?  I can't recall that being a side effect, but now I never know.  However, I mentioned it to the doc's office today and his PA called in a prescription for Diflucan, so maybe?  Just curious if this is just me and if I have to be concerned after every tx...

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    ahhhh.. yeast infections too.....please tell me it isn't so....lol....

    just got my nup shot (4 doen, 3 to go) and this one hurt!!!!!!  DH looked nervous and mentione soemthing about it going more sideways then straight....but i  didn;t fuss!!  hey, as long as I don;t have to stab myself i am cool with others hurting me....lol//

    the alleve seems to be working, no bone pain, just headaches that are probably from lacl of sleep...

  • EyesOTex
    EyesOTex Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2008

    Christine and all:  VERY IMPORTANT

    hope I'm typing right because i don't have my glasses on, but I think you asked about yeast?

    While on TAC I developed a Candida esophgitis (accompanied by yeasitness everywhere) that was truly nasty.  The only way I even knew I had it was because my husband, who has Crohn's, mentioned it to his gastroenterologist, who ended up having me 'scoped.  The most awful symptoms were feeling of fullness, inability to eat/swallow/etc., constipation (dreadful)...i can't even remember now but I know I used mineral enemas, fleets, etc, and nearly killed myself before the endoscopy.

    it took THREE rounds of 21 days of diflucan (fluconozole???) to finally get rid of this scourge.

    the onc would've only prescribed (and did) 7 days of the above, at half the strength.

    I keep thinking I'll post s/e s from TAC and then from Cisplatin/Gemzar but I don't habe the strength!!

    Also, Cristine & anyone else w/ bloating and GI distress...I got ok to take 4 Phazyme/day, and I was aleady on Prilosec for Barrett's Esophagus, AND now have a presc. for bowel spasm now that the Cisp./Gem has taken its toll.  I highly recommend the Phazyme.   I didn't use it for TAC & wish I had...  I can't believe these peeps really think bloating/fullness/balloon feeling isn't a common s/e??

    I know I'm rambling and this wasn't the coherent post I'd intended...sorry.

    dana

  • beachmom13
    beachmom13 Member Posts: 313
    edited June 2008

    Debbiem425- my incision spots turns purple and looks real angry but doesn't hurt and changes back within a couple of weeks.  Several of us have noticed this.

    I'm also on Wed. for tx 3 of tc

  • robink
    robink Member Posts: 336
    edited June 2008

    Rock:  my family is totally dysfunctional when it comes to breast cancer(grandmother, aunt, cousin, mother, sister) and my BRCA 1 and 2 came back negative. We were all shocked.  My onco said my family definitely had problems regardless of the result of the genetic study.

    IF you come back positive would you do anything different?  I don't remember what surgery you had.

    Robin

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    Debbie & Lee: I'm sorry I have nothing useful to offer!

    Cris, Dana and everyone: My heart (not to mention my presently calm innards) go out to any and all of you who are experiencing constipation, yeast infections, etc. or otherwise feeling like your body is rebelling against you/not right.  That is rough

    RobinK -- That is really good to hear! (Tho I'm sorry about all the cancer in your family.) For some reason, I'm feeling like this might be a possibility for me too. I had a lumpectomy and no, I wouldn't do anything differently.  For me, I just can't wrap my brain around bigger surgeries, reconstruction, and possible complications even if it means more vigilance and possibly a shortened lifespan. (If I'm BRCA+, though, I will have my ovaries out.) 

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited June 2008

    Hey gang,

    I am on for Thursday, not Wednesday, but I look to the Wednesday women to lead the way. My day was so utterly normal. Even my metalmouth calmed down. I was fighting against a yeast infection (had strept throat at first chemo they thought) and stuffed yogurt in the morning and frozen yogurt in the evening. My eleven year old son is dripping wet just back from his shower so I must go as he is aching to show me something cool on the computer. I wish each of you a restful night. I pretend to think I am ready for bald. My book club is gearing up with scarves, hats and eyebrow pencils...I still have up to a week. Debbie and Lee, I am sorry...Just remember, all of this will beat anything left hanging around in your body back. Sadly, it is beating a few other things as well. I was BRCA negative, but all three of my cousins had breat or colon cancer and one died from colon cancer so same game. Ciao 

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited June 2008

    Dana - Thanks.  I took the first Diflucan dose tonight, so we'll see what that does.  And I tried Milk of Magnesia for the other issue, which seems to be working better.  I also took a Phazyme, which I have on hand for my IBS, so maybe that will help, too. 

    Lee - I updated my earlier post and added you to the Wednesday group. 

    Rock - I can certainly relate to the "waiting for test results" issue.  And I hope it comes back negative! 

    I have another question about fatigue - does anyone notice a certain cycle during the day?  Is it predictable and has it gotten better or worse over time?  I'm just starting to get a handle on my own reaction, so having benchmarks from others is really helpful. 

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited June 2008

    Cristine, I think there probably is both a daily and a longer-term cycle for fatigue.  I'm sure it's an individual thing.  In my case, I find myself crashing in the early/mid-afternoon -- I'm so glad we have a nice, quiet break area (aka "the nap room") at work!  I also have "high energy" periods that are fairly (though not entirely) predictable. 

    I've had three AC treatments at this point, and I do find that both the duration and the extent of my sleepiness have increased after each one.

    Linda

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    I have always been an early riser until I started chemo.

    I have never slept 10 and 12 hours in a stretch until . . .

    I have never been one to stay up until 1, 2, or 3 in the morning until . . .

    At the same time,

    I never ate healthy foods so routinely until . . . 

    I have never felt so little stress until . . .  

    I have never exercised regularly until . . .

    I have never abstained from alcohol, caffeine, and processed sugar so faithfully until . . .  

    Energy-wise, I'm like that child's nursery rhyme:

    There was a girl who had a curl in the middle of her forehead**

    And when she was (felt) good, she was (felt) very very good

    And when she was (felt) bad, she was (felt) horrid. 

    **Notice past tense. 

    Though, knock wood, to date, I have never felt horrid. Not great? Yes. Horrid? No. I want to reserve that word for the seriously bad times.

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited June 2008

    Hi Everyone,

    Rock- you can be proud of me. I was driving to work bald (as usual) with the hat in the seat next to me. I work in a corporate type office atmosphere and just think a hat or scarf is a better choice, especially since my company is being sold this week and LOTS of new people are coming around. ANYWAY, I had to stop and get gas- looked at the hat and got out bald to pump the gas! baby steps..... baby steps.......

    Rant of the day... well meaning (IM SURE LOL) brother in law shows up to visit this week, saying he thought he should because we are going through some rough stuff (translated- hes afraid I will die in a week) and brought me a newspaper article about some miracle thing that is supposed to make you feel better - I informed him that I feel absolutely fine other than the few days right after chemo and that I cant really take a lot of herbs or other stuff right now without checking with the doctor. This kind of thing is the thing I HATE most about cancer- dealing with all these wierd attitudes from people around me- fortunately he lives 6 hours away, IS NOT staying at my house (yeah thats another remarkable story of manipulating the situation myself) and all I had to face was dinner out at a restaurant for a couple of hours!

    My moms birthday is tomorrow so we are cooking out and enjoying the day before chemo number 3 on Thursday! I will be able to celebrate being half way done with the TCH treatments.

    For anyone taking Neulasta that gets the bone pain- I have incredible bone pain from Day 2-6, during the day I try to walk 10 minutes every 2 hours and this seems to be the most effective thing I have found for dealing with the bone pain. I usually walk on a treadmill and sometimes I can only manage 2-2.5 miles per hour (I normally walk around 3-3.5 when exercising) but it really seems to help with the pain- your mileage may vary, just thought I would share what seems to help for me!

    Where are we going on Thursday ladies? Paradise Island sounds interesting!

    Kristy

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