Starting Chemo May 2008

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  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited April 2008

    Thanks ladies for all the great suggestions. My mother-in-law has numerous wigs and orders them from a catalog. See's in her 70's and looks great. I think my insurance will cover a wig so eak, I'll take your suggestion and speak to my oncologist for some local places. There is a great support group at the hospital, I just haven't made my way there yet.



    Otter, my daughter is an exellent seamtress and would be thrilled to take on a project. She's doing her final speech on me for her speech class. She makes me so proud. I know they'll be hitting chemo pretty hard since I'm 47 with a grade 3 so I guess I better chop to it and get shopping. I'm trying to find a blouse for this weekend that will confide my drains (still have them since mast last week). This will be the first time I've been out in a week except for Drs.appointments. I know alot of the new styles out there have that full drape front, so I'm hoping it'll be easy. Who knows, maybe I'll even be able to enjoy a beer (that is if if I'm off the painmeds). Yeah! Thanks again everyone!



    Roxi

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited April 2008

    Roxi, I forgot the rest of your question:  how long will we be without hair?

    As I said, mine is almost all gone; it fell out about 15 days into my first cycle of TC.  I have 4 treatments, at 3-wk intervals; so my last tx will be June 4.  If I figure 2 to 3 wks of SE's after that tx, I can consider myself "finished with chemo" by June 25.  Since my hair didn't fall out until day 15 of cycle #1, I need to calculate the possibility that whatever hair is left could still fall out for a week or two after cycle #4.

    Hair supposedly grows at 1/2 inch per month.  Thus, even if it starts growing immediately and is completely normal in texture and appearance (which it won't be), I'll only have 3 inches of hair by next Christmas.  Also, most women say their hair is odd-colored and does not have its usual texture; so some of them trim it even after it starts growing out.

    This is a long haul, for sure.  Losing eyebrows and eyelashes is a whole different story, and it's even more traumatic for some women (or so I've heard).

    otter

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited April 2008

    Otter,

    That's about what I figured. I've got a group particpating in the Susan B Kolmen Walk for the Cure in Chicago in August and I already gave them a heads up that I'll all depend on how I'm feeling if I can particpiate or not. I will definately be there, just don't think I'll have the energy to walk. I've also heard many women's hair comes back different? Mine is curly and I've been coloring for years. Maybe it's time to let my grey come in....



    Roxi

  • eak2863
    eak2863 Member Posts: 31
    edited April 2008

    Roxi,

    Make sure to ask your onco for a 'wig' prescription. My insurance covers the cost up to $350. I got a nice short wig locally. It is not made of human hair, but looks very natural. Natural hair wigs are more expensive, and I should say they do not look better.

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited April 2008

    After explaining my chemo regimen to me and telling me I would lose all my hair, my onco pulled out her prescription pad and wrote me a prescription for a "cranial prosthesis."

    I had read that the prescription had to say something like that so it wouldn't be interpreted as a cosmetic treatment.  I thought the story was a joke; and I haven't had the nerve to try it out on my insurance company yet.

    otter

  • robink
    robink Member Posts: 336
    edited April 2008

    Otter - that wording is the only way insurance will pay for your wig.  I just realized I have misplaced my Rx.  Yikes!  Since you are in a rural location, will you be able to get to a shop with a large selection of wigs?  Colorado Springs has 2 large shops and several smallers boutiques.  The smaller stores were able to give more personal service but every place I've walked into has had respectful, pleasant employees.  It's still a bit too painful to accept that my unruly hair will not be around to bother me anymore.  At least that's one thing that will come back! 

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited April 2008

    I've checked out the headcovers.com site also and was pretty impressed with the selection.  Haven't bought anything yet, though.  My onc also will give me a "prescription" for a wig and there is a place about 25 minutes away that works with cancer patients.  And everyone at work liked my new hair!  We'll see how long I get to have it...

    I didn't see the other thread - I just marked this one as a "favorite" and check it on my home page to see if there are new comments. 

    Lorena - yes, it is nice to have an RN always present.  But what is Neulasta?  I think I may be starting around May 8th.

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited April 2008

    Hi Everyone,

    I bought the scarf turban from headcovers.com and really like it. I also bought fabrics and a friend is sewing then into tubes that I can cahnge out in the turban to change the look. I also bought hats from the ACS catalog and found great sun hats (SPF 50) on a site called sungrubbies.com I bought the resort legionnaire hat and my high school daughters friends all want the hat!!!! Val plays softball so I needed something more protective in the sun- anyway, I loved the sungrubbies website and got two cute hats!

    Kristy 

  • LorenaB
    LorenaB Member Posts: 937
    edited April 2008

    Neulasta is an injection that boosts the white blood cell count.  I believe it is the newer prescription, and it is given one day after chemo treatment.  It is VERY expensive ($3000 per dose, yikes!) so I am lucky to have health insurance that covers it.  Some people take Neupogen instead, I think, which functions the same way but involves a series of injections.

    I enjoyed my "temporary haircut" for exactly two weeks.  I got it two days after my first treatment and ended up getting in all buzzed off two days after tx #2.  Oh well.  My half-wig that peeks from under my hats looks like my shorter haircut so the change is less noticeable.

    I liked the products I ordered from headcovers.org better than those that came from the TLC shop at the American Cancer Society (although they have a good selection too). It could have just been luck, though.  I especially like the denim hat with a rolled-up brim.  Otter, I used that funny prescription to save me $500! 

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited April 2008

    I jumped up out of bed and searched online for tying techniques. I've never worn a scarf before but really liked Otter's idea on making my own headwraps. I just might have to take a spin to JoAnne's Fabric later today. Ladies, if you're interested, the link is below. I'm gonna check out the other sites as well for hats. Thanks girls.



    Roxi



    http://www.tasaram.com/tying-head.html

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited April 2008

    Lorena - I too saw that cute denim hat.  I think that will be my first hat purchase.  My husband loved it as well.

    Yikes!!  $3000 for Neulasta???  What happens to the poor people without insurance?  Even with insurance the copay is horrendous. 

  • The_Other_Half
    The_Other_Half Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2008

    Kristi Ann, familyroks and Roxi,

    Thank you very much for the acceptance and positive comments.  It seems we blokes are all the same. When something threatens our loved ones we react in a very similar manner.  My wife has never been as special as she is now. The mastectomy 'per-se' does not fuss me, nor does the loss of Sanji's beautiful hair.  The misery it has caused her does.

    Sanji is not coping too well with her first dose of chemo, and watching her suffer with the knowledge that there is another 5 months to go is daunting. I do hope the journey for all of you is an easier one.

    Most people who have never been touched by breast cancer (including me until recently) are of the opinion, "big deal, chop it out, end of story".

    Wrong! 

    Beginning of story!

    I am not trying to sound negative, but not all almonds are sugar coated.

    On a positive note!

    Those of you who have been diagnosed with HER2+.

    Sanji has been offered the chance to participate (we have accepted) in a clinical worldwide trial of a new drug called lapatinib (tykerb). This drug is more effective in blocking the receptors than trastuzumab (herceptin).

    There are four alternative treatment arms - herceptin on its own, tykerb on its own, tykerb in conjunction with herceptin and herceptin followed by tykerb.  All of these treatments are randomly selected by computer - you or your oncologist have no say.

    The treatment lasts for 52 weeks.

    The drug tykerb is administered orally, six times daily, as opposed to the intraveneous hercepton at a hospital every three weeks.

    The trial "will involve approximately 8,000 patients in 50 countries throughout the world".

    Only "early breast cancer" patients with HER2+ receptors are eligible.

    The trial is termed ALTTO (Adjuvant Lapatinib and/or Trastuzumab Treatment Optimisation)

    Check with your oncologist.

    After watching my dear wife being jabbed with needles on countless occasions, plus the seemingly endless trips to hospital, tykerb seems like a distant brilliant light at the end of the tunnel.

    Hang in there all of you.

    By the way, lime juice cordial helps to remove the metallic taste from Sanji's mouth, (chemo) baked beans or cheese and lettuce sandwiches seem to agree with the stomach!

  • beachmom13
    beachmom13 Member Posts: 313
    edited April 2008

    Hi everyone.  I'm in the April group, but on of the late April starters - I began on the 24th.  I came here when it first got started, but apparently got lost.

    The Other Half - guys are always welcome, no matter what the situation. My guy has been totally supportive, although we have disagreed on some things.  My bs recommended lumpectomy, which I originally agreed with.  This came however, the day of diagnosis.  I then waited 3 weeks before my surgery, and didn't see him until Thursday afternoon before Monday surgery.  In that time, I thought, probably too much, and decided on a simple mastectomy. DH was against it because of recovery time.  I honestly believed he was concerned about my well being.  When I told my bs that I had changed my mind and wanted the mast.  he was ok with it, but said if I wanted immediate recon.  I would have to wait at least 3 weeks to get everything set up with a ps.  SO I went back to our original plan.  Fast forward to today. I had blood work after my first infusion and my count was low.  As I was waiting for my neulasta shot, he told me how much he hate the place.  When I asked for an explanation, he said he didn't like the way I had been suffering.  I thought I was doing fine.  I reminded him that this was making me better.  He knew it, but... This from a man who pulls at my hair everytime he passes because the birds need it for nests more than I do.

    I ordered wigs from PaulaYoung.com and am very pleased with them.  I ordered 2 for less than I could buy 1 locally.  Two different looks - one a little longer than my usual short cut, and the other almost identical.  If you don't like these, you can return them, so long as the tags are in tack.  I also purchased last summer a coolmax ball cap from llbean.  I wear ball caps all summer, since we boat and are outside most of the time.  This was the best investment I've made as far as caps are concerned.  It's very cool.  This year, I bought a neutral color to use anytime.

    To all who are getting ready to start treatments.  Good luck.  You will beat this demon

  • clg47
    clg47 Member Posts: 6
    edited April 2008

    I actually started chemo 4/25/08 but have a total of 16 treatments so figured it may be better to start with the May group.  My first 4 treatments are AC every two weeks then switch to Taxotere for 12 straight weeks.   Today is the first day I have actually felt human.  Suffered from a terrible headache the first several days and was totally tired.  No real nausea to speak of just no energy to do anything.   I am going wig shopping with a friend tomorrow.  Is surreal thinking I'm going to lose my hair.  At least I already have a short haircut so maybe that will make it better (I doubt it!).  Am trying to stay positive but have my days.  Just want to get through all this and move on in my life.

    Christi

    Dx 2/1/08, IDC, 1.4 cm, Stage 2a, Grade 3, 2/4 nodes, ER+/PR+

  • robink
    robink Member Posts: 336
    edited April 2008

    clg:

    Welcome to our May group.  Tomorrow is my 1st treatment, I'm getting 4 cycles Taxotere/Cytoxin every 3 weeks.  I wish you well during your treatments.  It was good to read that you are doing well thus far, now that the headaches have subsided.  I have one wig, am going to the local American Cancer Society to check out their options, and may try the Paula Young wigs mentioned by beachmom.  I had a melt down several time, most recently about my hair and now I feel better.  I can't change what is going to happen and while I do not want chemo, I look at it as giving myself the best chance and I won't wonder if I should have done more cause there will be no more to do.

    Look forward to getting to know you.

  • kpopperwell
    kpopperwell Member Posts: 102
    edited May 2008

    Hello everyone,

    I am newly diagnosed, have had a lumpectomy and 6 nodes removed March 7.  Went back to work 12 days later.  Saw my Medical Oncologist for the first time today.  She would like me to join a clinical trial that would determine randomly if I would have chemo and the AI drugs or no chemo and just the AI.  I had to authorize the Oncotype DX Assay to be done and now have to wait two weeks for the results.  During this time I have to decide if I will be part of the clinical trial or not.  Either way the score from the DX assay will be the most important  thing.  I did not think that I was going to even have to make a decision re chemo and right now I am feeling like brain overload.  I want to do what is best for me but have mixed feelings about clinical trials.  I am fortunate that I have an HMO that has a small co pay.  I will try to check in often to see how everyone is doing and by reading your posts will give me peace of mind that this too shall pass.

    I look forward to meeting all of you. 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited May 2008

    kpopperwell,

    You must be referring to the TAILORx trial.  Many of us were asked whether we wanted to participate in that trial, once it was known that our tumors were ER+.  On that trial, women with Oncotype scores 10 or lower will not get chemo; women with Oncotype scores 26 or higher will get chemo.  Everybody with scores in-between (11-25) will be randomized to chemo vs. no chemo, based on a coin-flip.  Be sure you read the "informed consent" paperwork and call your onco or the clinical trial nurse if you have any questions.  Or, you could post your questions here, and we will try to answer them.

    I decided not to participate in the TAILORx trial, because I did not want a major decision in my medical care being determined by a coin-flip.  As it turned out, it wouldn't have mattered for me.  My Oncotype score was 26, so if I had joined the study, I would be getting chemo anyway.  I am midway through my 2nd round of Taxotere & Cytoxan, and so far, I'm doing fine.

    That score helped many of us make the final decision one way or the other about chemo. 

    otter 

  • kpopperwell
    kpopperwell Member Posts: 102
    edited May 2008

    Thank you, otter.  I will face my decision on May 15 when I see the Dr again.  I will continue to come and read posts as I find it comforting to be with people who are in the same boat.

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited May 2008

    Welcome to all new comers!  Yes, this is a comforting place and I look forward to reading here every night. 

    I see my onc for the second consult tomorrow morning.  I have chosen the Cytoxan/Taxotere route, but am not sure when I will start.  Maybe next week, depending on what I need to do to start, like labs, etc.

    I will have to try out the PaulaYoung website.  I told my 8 y.o. dd tonight that my hair loss will include my eyebrows, lashes, etc. and she took that pretty well.  We even looked for fake eyelashes in Wal-Greens!  I think I will let her help me pick out some hats, turbans, etc.  My colleagues at work (I work in a prison) have offered to come in with me for "Turban Day" - that felt very supportive!

    Good luck tomorrow, RobinK.  I will be thinking of you.  Let us know how it goes.

    Wishing everyone a less stressful day tomorrow.

  • dsub
    dsub Member Posts: 37
    edited May 2008

    I start chemo on may 16th. CMF. adenocarcinoma, 2 lymph nodes tested positive. grade 3. pr was neg hr was positive. no radiation. mas with reconstruction. what am i looking at when i start chemo and what does the pr and hr stand for? and why cmf?

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited May 2008

    DSUB,

    Welcome to the group. I find out on Monday what my regiment will be. The P stands for Progesterone and the H stands for Hormone and both of these indicators determine the best case for chemo treatment and hormone therapy. Check your path report though because you're missing the E which stands for Estrogen. This as well as Her 2 are also determining factors for treatment. Her2 genes tend to respond better with certain drugs targeted to the Her2 receptor such as trastuzumab and lapatinib. Since your tumor is HR positive, your tumor will respond better with hormone therapy. I have a booklet which I received from the American Cancer Society that outlines the chemo options based on your tumor prognosis. According to the book and your course of treatment, you're Her2- but you can find this out on your path report. Since your Her2- you're also a candidate for tamoxifen to reduce the risk of the cancer coming back. It's a lot of information I know, but many ladies seem to be on CMF. I believe Otter may have the same DX as you. She has provided some great information for all us gals. Good luck and we'll all be thinking of you.



    Roxi

  • clg47
    clg47 Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2008

    Hi Robin,

    Good luck today with your first treatment.  You will do fine.  The actual infusion was really a piece of cake.  Take a book or music to listen to as it can be boring.   I met a nice young (30 something) woman undergoing chemo for the second time.  She was so upbeat it made me feel I can do this and so can you.  This site is so inspiring.  I really love reading all the posts and hearing all the words of wisdom from people who have already been on this journey.  Wish me luck on my wig shopping (yikes!) I can certainly relate on the meltdown on losing your hair.  I've been down that path a few times already and now that it's getting closer to me actually losing the hair I'm still a basket case!!  I live in the Phoenix area so can't even imagine having to wear a wig in the hot summers we have here. 

    Let us know how treatment #1 goes.  Here's hoping for few side effects!!

    Christi

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited May 2008

    Hi Everyone,

    I am going for Herceptin today- last week was the first chemo (TCH) and the Herceptin is weekly on the off weeks from chemo. So much for off weeks huh?

    I have a wig appointment tomorrow night- not sure what I will do but thought I would explore the option, especially since my insurance will pay 90% for a wig- Im thinking of using it for work and/or church (Im the pianist)- think I will go commando or hats or scarves the rest of the hot Texas summer!

    Kristy

  • angelsaboveus
    angelsaboveus Member Posts: 298
    edited May 2008

    Hi, I'm going in for my first consult with my oncologist today,to find out what my chemo treatment will be and have been trying to write down some questions i need to ask. I will find out today what my er/pr and her2 status is . i have idc,1.5cm, grade 3 ,5/12nodes

    Does anyone who has already been here, done that  have any suggestions of questions that might be important in asking.

    Im a little more anxious about this than i was with my mastectomy, i guess just knowing whats ahead makes the brain think overtime. 

    Thankyou to all you wonderfull ladies willing to share the good and the bad, you don't know how helpfull it is ! 

    Good luck Robin and Kristy today, and anyone else having treatment....sending you angel hugs. Innocent

  • angie27
    angie27 Member Posts: 863
    edited May 2008

    Hi Maryal:

    It is so nice for you to stick around, its is woman like you that inspires us, to continue to fight, I think you look beautiful, just like a little doll.

    Take care, and thank you.

  • angelsaboveus
    angelsaboveus Member Posts: 298
    edited May 2008

    just got back from my oncologist visit, ohhh my head is spinning !

    It turns out i am triple negative, ER-/PR-  HER2 -. Had a liver ultrasound and said that was all good, blood tests, cardio gram and bone scan tomorrow. He said because of the aggressiveness of the cancer he want to get things started next week , get my port put in on wednesday and start chemo on thursday. I guess this is a good thing as i don't have time to dwell on it. He said he wants to be aggressive with treatment so is looking into a dense dose every two weeks, he is consulting with another onc higher up about a trial. So go back in on Monday to decide the actual cocktail, or as my husband said "the recipe" This is all happening so fast!!!!!

    thanks for listening.  

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited May 2008

    Angela: I had my appt yesterday and can relate to the shovel against the head feeling. I think I have four doctor's appointments before my chemo starts and then two more the day after.  My "profound" advice?! Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. : ) 

     

    I start chemo on May 7th. AC and then T. (1.8 cm cancer, aggressive growth and spread; 42 yo)

      

    Re: Wig & hair options.  Don't rule out help from your "regular." While I fully intend to "rock the bald" I haven't ruled out wigging it from time to time. I swung by the Aveda hair place and lo and behold, there was Brigid (the young woman who cut my hair the last two times) styling a wig. Long story short, she has agreed to give me a supershort cut, and then offered to a) help me with hair removal when it starts falling out (I've heard duct tape works well--honest);b) go with me on one of her days off to pick up a synthetic wig or two which she assures me can be purchased on the cheap; c) style my wig if I want her to; and she also will d) give me a "head" to hold my wig. Apparently, this 20-something has been through this drill before with other women! A real sweetheart. 

  • eak2863
    eak2863 Member Posts: 31
    edited May 2008

    Hi Angel,

    I am also tripple negative, strating chemo on Monday, May 5th. I am 45 and consider myself very young for this. But I guess 'C' (I do not want to repeat this word again and again) does not look at your age, who you are, and how well you take care of yourself.

    Was port recommended to you by your onco ? My doctor did not exactly recommend it. I wonder how many women on this site have a port, and how many chose not to. I do not know which decision is the right one.

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited May 2008

    Although I'm in the April group, I will still be getting chemo (Taxotere & Cytoxan) in May and June, so I hope y'all don't mind if I hang around here a bit, too.

    dsub, our tumors have/had some similarities; maybe when you get the rest of your information you could post it here.  Mine was ER+ (had estrogen receptors), PR- (did not have progesterone receptors), and HER2- (did not over-express HER2).  It was a Grade 2, whereas yours was Grade 3.  I also did not have any positive lymph nodes.   It sounds like you already have a plan.  I'm not sure why your onco chose CMF.  There is a discussion about CMF somewhere around here; maybe it's on one of the other topics rather than the Chemo topic.  I'll check.

    angelsaboveus, that was a surprise to learn you were triple-negative, I'm sure.  The good news is that it sounds like your onco is on top of the situation, too.  Remember there is a whole topic on the BCO boards for triple-negatives, and it's really active.  Some of the veterans here are (were) triple-negative and have lots of advice to offer.

    rockthebald, duct tape works, but one of those sticky lint rollers is a little less brutal to your scalp when you need to collect the stragglers.  You can buy lint rollers 'most anywhere. 

    Has anybody heard from Robink yet?  I hope she did OK.

    eak, I do not have a port.  Everybody says I have great veins, and I will only be getting 4 treatments (2 down, 2 to go!). Even so, it makes me nervous when I have to get all my blood draws and BP measurements and i.v.'s in the same arm (because the other arm had 3 lymph nodes removed).  Sometimes all those things have to be done in that arm on the same day.  It's been working OK so far.  The chemo nurses do get a funny look on their faces when they are setting up for my infusion and they say (hopefully), "Do you have a port?"  I get to say, "Nope.  We're doing this with veins."  They are very good, though (so far...).

    otter 

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited May 2008

    Thankfully, I have a port.  My Onc called my surgeon the day before my mastectomy and asked him to put it in at the same time.  The needle thing causes me so much worry and distress on top of everything else.  This makes me feel so much better.  I've read where people, who don't have a port, have so much trouble with their veins being hit so often.  Otter - I'm glad to hear that doesn't look like a concern for you!

    Today, I had my MUGA scan.  I start chemo on 5/7...4 X AC and 4 X Taxol....dose dense every two weeks.  This has all been so overwhelming.  I thank God that I have my husband.

    I ordered my wig tonight, as well as my first hat.  We shopped for it online at TLC and found one that we liked.  Hopefully it works out.  I don't think I plan on wearing a wig all that often but my youngest daughter graduates high school next month and I just don't want to go bald.

    What a roller coaster.

    ~Adrienne

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