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It's getting hot out there:
Blaming McCain
Obama's camp is aiming to make McCain own Republican attacks he says he's trying to stop, and to prevent the development of what someone today called a "good GOP, bad GOP routine.
Emails spokesman Hari Sevugan of the North Carolina Republican plans to air an attack ad::
"The fact that Senator McCain can't get his own party to take down this misleading, personal attack ad raises serious questions about his promise to the American people that he will run a civil, respectful campaign."Responds McCain spokesman Brian Rogers:
"Barack Obama has time and again refused to step forward and personally condemn repeated attacks on John McCain's character and integrity by the Chairman of the DNC -- not a state party -- nor outrageous attacks by his surrogates Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Ed Schultz. We'll start taking lessons from Barack Obama when he displays one ounce of the decency and courtesy that John McCain has shown in this campaign."
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LOL, Puppy.
I live in N. Carolina and I've seen the ad. I saw McCain's comments about the ad. I was watching Glen Beck last night and he had a McCain man on the show. I can't remember his name right now. Anyway, he said that McCain had asked them to not put the ad on the air. Of course the people who made the ad said they were. The McCain person (I feel so stupid posting this way, but I don't have time to look it up) also said they didn't want the ad to air. He WOULD NOT answer Beck's questions about Obama's relationship with Wright and the importance of that info. McCain's man said they only wanted to talk about the issues.
Oh, yeah, and have seen Obama BLAMING McCain for this ad staying on the air. McCain has NOTHING to do with N.C. He has no ties with this state. Barrack can make an idiot out of himself if he choses to. And what this ad is telling us too is that the dem Governors who are running this year have given Barrack their support.
Kuddos to those who have put this ad on the air. I won't be voting for those governors. However, I wasn't anyway.
Shirley
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Blaming McCain for what NC Rep's are doing can be compared to blaming Cardinal Ratzinger (before he was pope, when he was "campaigning") for all the sexual predators in the US.
McCain is not the overseer of those people. Maybe once he is president, he can put some laws into place. However, negative campaigning doesn't always mean it's a lie. Like the live baby killing thing ...... NOW THAT IS NEGATIVE AND TRUE and I am glad that I know about it. It just disgusts me and I'd like to know if any California politicians are behind this.
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Just to add..it's not that I won't vote for a dem governor. We have one now who I have voted for. But his time is UP!
Shirley
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I saw the ad, and what it says is nothing we haven't heard before. It will turn against Obama, everyone knows McCain had nothing to do with it. Anyway, it's a tradition to have negative ads, which by the way, seems to work. If they didn't work, they wouldn't have them. Everyone likes to point fingers at the other trying to sound holier then thou, and they all run the same type of ads. McCain should stop repudiating them, just move on.
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See this is why I have a problem with McCain.........Obama's camp also asked Hillary's camp to come out against the ad and nothing from her but no somehow McCain has control of this and it really is none of his business........Shirley your story of raising your daughters brought a huge smile to my face.........I have raised one daughter and am in the process of trying to raise my second daughter........she is fifteen..........(my only two kiddos)..........my oldest is a sophomore in college in WI at a small liberal arts college........anyway when I was dx with bc my oldest was in her senior yr of high school.......she was half way through in January.......I had chemo first because of the size of the tumor..........so started chemo three weeks after my dx dd a/c and taxol and now for some reason I cannot remember which I had first. (Good thing Grace doesn't read this thread she would love my running sentences...ha) but it was a Saturday of her high school prom.......I had had my seventh treatment and I was sick as a dog......this child that had given my holy hell while growing up took such good care of me when I was sick.......took me to all my chemo treatments and sat with me........anyway the Saturday of her hs prom and I was really struggling.....she was getting close to taking me to the hospital..........anyway one hour before she was to get picked up to go to her prom......she had found an inexpensive dress....had done her own makeup and hair......she looked so beautiful she called her date and told him she coudln't go......she wouldn't leave me...........well I just start bawling........she had worked so hard in school all honors.....had gotten herself into an expensive private liberal arts college all by herself filling out all the paper work and scholarship applications etc........full scholarship....there was no way I or her dad could afford to pay her way to school..........anyway I felt so bad for messing up her senior yr of hs and I am just bawling.....and I looked at her and took her hand and said "you are suppose to be going out and drinking and having sex for the first time tonight".......and without batting an eye she looked right back at me and said "the first time?"........we both just cracked up because for me to say that to her shocked her because if I had been in my right mind I would never had said that..........I might have thought but I wouldn't have said it to her.........that is one of those moments in motherhood that is both the worse and the best...........she will be home in June can't wait to see her........oh and by the way can you tell I am pumped up on steroids?....ha.........ok will be back.........Shokk
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What a great story Shokk...Aren't daughter's the best! My son came through for me too. I told him I had to wait to get an MRI done before my excision, he said: Like hell!.. He got me an appt by the end of the week.
".........Obama's camp also asked Hillary's camp to come out against the ad"
That's the funniest thing I heard yet from this whole campaign. Those whiners. McCain won't listen to us, help Hillary help.
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I can't get too upset about McCain trying to put distance between him and President Bush---He needs to do this. You have a very unpopular President and the Democrats cannot say the word McCain without going
Bush McCain third term. McCain cannot get elected without doing this.
The Democrats are going to paint a picture of this as a third Bush term.
To us its obvious McCain isn't Bush.
I know its hard to close your ears but think of the consequences if you don't.
This is too important of an election. Think about how many Supreme Court Justices are over 70 years old. Chances are very good that this next President will pick at least two or more.
Can you afford to sit this one out waiting for 2012. I guarantee you won't like an activist court with Obama appointments.
Close your ears--Hold your nose if you must
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Susie I know your right but McCain had better be careful........I can understand him distancing himself from Bush but instead of bashing him just explain what he would do different.......that whole if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all and what I find interesting is he is telling NC GOP what ad to run and he want's the Republican party to get out of the gutter or what ever he said..............and since my hearing is not as good as it use to be and my attention span is that of a 8 yr old boy I think I will just hold my nose since chemo my nose hair never grew back and you don't realize how good filtration system your nose hair is until it is gone.........
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Shokk, you make me laugh all the time.
Aren't daughters and sons wonderful! You're story was so sweet. A little gal in HS going to her first prom and having sex for the first time...the sex part really made me laugh! She grew up to be one heck of a young woman. Seems this disease either will make that happen, or just the opposite. You did good, Shokk! Maybe she experienced sex the day AFTER the prom. JUST KIDDING! And, you must be so proud that your daughter received a full scholarship. What a smart girl (woman) Gosh that's hard to say!
Aw, keep those sentences f-l-o-w-i-n-g...we love them! Who cares what anyone else thinks.
Shirley
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Hi you guys,
I jumped over to see what you were up to. I'm ashamed to admit this, but I couldn't understand what was going on in the other thread. Was Anne being serious about all the upstate NY'ers and guns and stuff?
I did figure out that the '68 link was a bunch of wannabe panthers from the old days, but I just can't keep up anymore.
And by the way ... Shokk .. I love you on 'roids!!!
I wish I had a daughter. Gotta run ... Tim's home for the night.
Bren
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Bren!!
Consorting with the enemy? Making nice to the Repubs?? Get thee back to the Dem thread!!!!
Cherryl, guardian of Democrats for the Good of All
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Glad to see there's more than one Democrat "lurking" here!!!
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Well, I got half my French students on the plane to go home, and one more week with the rest, so I have been too busy to chime in. What a wonderful group they have been, and so appreciative of our families, who take such good care of them. So I am doing my best to improve FrancoAmerican relationships, one student at a time. Of the 30 families hosting my students only 2 are dems. I have never been able to figure out why it is almost always repubs who volunteer for this. Any ideas?
Cherryl, since you are a fellow Chicagoan, I will forgive your tresspass here.
LOL Who knows, if you hang out long enough, you just might be a convert. It happens to the best of us.
Shokk, I loved your story about your daughter. Mothering is so hard, and seeing our children finally appreciate all we do is such a joy.
I am still trying to raise my cousin's daughter, but we have not really bonded. But she has really gotten close to my husband, so I am thankful for that because she never had a good father figure before. SHe will probably go back to her mom soon, so I am just hoping we have made some kind of influence on her. It is just too bad that I had to deal with all my BC crap right after she came.
As for politics, we sure do have a boring campaign going on right now, next to the dems, but it is fun to watch them self destruct. I took my students on a tour of Chicago's neighborhoods last week and we drove past the site of the '68 riots. I wonder if there will be a repeat this year. At least half of the dems are going to be really really P.O.'d!
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There be demoncrats and libs oer' yonder tote them guns...
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and don't forget the napkins!!
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Democrats use cloth napkins and we also place them in our laps. Of course in the privacy of our own home, we use paper towels!! But for special occasions, I can set a beautiful table for y'all.
But, if you insist, I can also provide guns and you can hunt for your own food if you wish!!
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I couldn't kill anykind of animal if you threatened to shoot ME! I hate snakes, but I'd run before killing it...ewwwwwwwwwww! Couldn't chop off it's head.
Here in the state of N. C. you can own a concealed weapon. But first your checked out and then you have to go to some kind of shooting school LOL...to learn how to shoot and to be taught safety stuff. I don't want a gun in my house, but I have nothing against someone else having one to protect themself or their family. I'm just scared of'em.
I think I'm turning green (going green). Everytime I use a paper towel I think about the trees that have to be chopped down.
And Bin's right. We use paper towels in the privacy of our homes. I have some nice dinner napkins, but forget to use them.
So, I guess that makes me a redneck!Shirley
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First of all Linda welcome back............makes me a proud conservative when I see other conservatives taking their time and money to provide such an opportunity for young people............considering how selfish and uncaring we conservatives are.........you are going to give us a bad name...........second of all Shirley its so interesting that you mention "going green"......did you see Newt on Bill O'Riley last night?.........he is making the comment for us conservatives to have a voice in the green movement that we are going to have to acknowledge that we could be having a problem not necessarily with global warming because I think that even scientist have concluded that is not happening but at least try and clean ourselves up a bit so we can be on stage with the left to at least get our voices heard..........of course Rush lit into him by even acknowledging that we could have an issue with the environment that left will take advantage to keep us from say drilling in ANWAR..........but the term that Newt is using is "Conservative Green" which I do find good..............I too am recycling and doing some things I have never done before..........remember trees are a cash crop and I believe that recycled paper is a lot better then plastics.....ok going to read some more.........I will be back...........Shokk
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I've never killed anything either!! I bought them for home protection when I lived alone in the mountains. If someone drove up to my cabin I didn't know, I'd go out on the front porch with my shotgun to say hello!! I guess I'm a redneck Dem. Had a rattlesnake one time in the yard and I was too scared to do anything ...locked myself in the house with my dogs, same thing with a mountain lion!!
Nobody is allowed to shoot the family of Bambi on my property!
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Oh this is a classic. Leave it to the media
from Fark on Newsweek article
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When an American Idol contestant is booted after singing "Jesus Christ Superstar," there's only one logical conclusion: Southern racists control America
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Newsweek
How the South Won (This) Civil WarSouthernism is taking over our national dialogue. Maybe it's time for the North to secede from the Union.
Michael HirshNewsweek Web ExclusiveUpdated: 5:10 PM ET Apr 25, 2008In the summer of 1863, Robert E. Lee led an ill-advised incursion into Pennsylvania. His army was defeated at Gettysburg, and thence afterward Lee beat a fighting retreat until the South lost the Civil War. One hundred and forty-five years later, the South--or what has become the South-Southwest--has won another kind of Civil War. It has transformed the sensibility of the country. It is setting the agenda for our political, social and religious mores--in Pennsylvania and everywhere else.
This thought, which has been recurring to me regularly over the years as I've watched the Southernization of our national politics at the hands of the GOP and its evangelical base, surfaced again when I read a New York Times story today. The article was about an "American Idol" contestant--apparently quite talented--who was eliminated after she sang the title song from "Jesus Christ Superstar." When it debuted 38 years ago, the rock opera was considered controversial for its rather arch portrayal of a doubt-wracked, very human Jesus, but the music was so good and the lyrics so clever that it quickly became a huge hit. In the delicate balance of forces that have always defined American tastes--nativism and yahooism versus eagerness for the new and openness to innovation--art, or at least high craft, it seemed, had triumphed. But our national common denominator of taste is so altered today that the blasphemous dimension of "Jesus Christ Superstar" now trumps the artistic part. And somehow, no one is surprised. Our reaction is more like, "Why would she risk singing a song like that?"
In part this is a triumph of demographics. As John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge observed in their 2004 book, "The Right Nation: Conservative Power in America," the nation's population center has been "moving south and west at a rate of three feet an hour, five miles a year." Another author, Anatol Lieven, in his 2005 book "America Right or Wrong: An Anatomy of American Nationalism," describes how the "radical nationalism" that has so dominated the nation's discourse since 9/11 traces its origins to the demographic makeup and mores of the South and much of the West and Southern Midwest--in other words, what we know today as Red State America. This region was heavily settled by Scots-Irish immigrants--the same ethnic mix King James I sent to Northern Ireland to clear out the native Celtic Catholics. After succeeding at that, they then settled the American Frontier, suffering Indian raids and fighting for their lives every step of the way. And the Southern frontiersmen never got over their hatred of the East Coast elites and a belief in the morality and nobility of defying them. Their champion was the Indian-fighter Andrew Jackson. The outcome was that a substantial portion of the new nation developed, over many generations, a rather savage, unsophisticated set of mores. Traditionally, it has been balanced by a more diplomatic, communitarian Yankee sensibility from the Northeast and upper Midwest. But that latter sensibility has been losing ground in population numbers--and cultural weight.
The coarsened sensibility that this now-dominant Southernism and frontierism has brought to our national dialogue is unmistakable. We must endure "lapel-pin politics" that elevates the shallowest sort of faux jingoism over who's got a better plan for Iraq and Afghanistan. We have re-imported creationism into our political dialogue (in the form of "intelligent design"). Hillary Clinton panders shamelessly to Roman Catholics, who have allied with Southern Protestant evangelicals on questions of morality, with anti-abortionism serving as the main bridge. Barack Obama seems to be so leery of being identified as an urban Northern liberal that he's running away from the most obvious explanation of his association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and former Weatherman Bill Ayers: after Obama graduated from college he became an inner-city organizer in Chicago, and they were natural allies for someone in a situation like that. We routinely demonize organizations like the United Nations that we desperately need and which are critical to missions like nation-building in Afghanistan. On foreign policy, the realism and internationalism of the Eastern elitist tradition once kept the Southern-frontier warrior culture and Wilsonian messianism in check. Now the latter two, in toxic combination, have taken over our national dialogue, and the Easterners are running for the hills.
In Texas in particular, Lieven writes, we can see "the mingling of the Southern and Western traditions" that made its first appearance during Jackson's presidency, and which today so defines our current politics, culture, and foreign policy. Indeed, George W. Bush himself may embody this national trend best. In Bush there seems little trace left of the Eastern WASP sensibility into which he was born and educated, and which explains so much of his father's far more moderate presidency. The younger Bush went to Andover, Yale and Harvard, but he rebelled against the ethos he learned there. The transformation is complete, right down to the Texas accent that no one else in his family seems to have. Bush is a Jacksonian pod person.
None of this is quite as simple as the triumph of the South, of course. "I'm suspicious of that argument," says Gaines M. Foster of Louisiana State University, author of "Ghosts of the Confederacy: Defeat, the Lost Cause, and the Emergence of the New South, 1865-1913." "The Civil War was essentially about preserving slavery and acquiring independence. And the South lost both of those things. And gave them up." Beyond that, the Old South is gone with the wind in other ways, having suffered a hybridization from Northern and Midwestern influences. "At least one of four people in the South were not born here. Even 'Southern' is now a fuzzy term," Foster told me. And as Mike Huckabee demonstrated when he failed to spread his appeal beyond his Southern base, there is such a thing as too Southern. Polls show that at least as many Americans think Barack Obama shares their values as John McCain.
Still, something deep and basic has changed in our country. After watching the recent, excellent (despite some historical inaccuracies) series "John Adams" on HBO, I dipped back into the Adams-Jefferson letters. Two things occurred to me: one, party politics was just as vicious back then, in its earliest days, as it is today. Nothing new there. What does seem foreign to us today is the dedication to free thought and, even more, free moral choice that so dominated the correspondence between those two great minds. When Jefferson, in his letter of May 5, 1817, condemned the "den of the priesthood" and "protestant popedom" represented by Massachusetts' state-supported church, he was speaking for both of them--the North and South poles of the revolution. Yet John McCain, even with the GOP nomination in hand, would never dare repeat his brave but politically foolhardy condemnation of the religious right in 2000 as "agents of intolerance." Why? Because we have become an intolerant nation, and that's what gets you elected.
Another expert on the mores of the South, author Michael Lind, notes this change is also attributable to the rise of the mass media and the eclipsing of the patrician culture that produced both Adams amd Jefferson. "Both the New England Yankee and the old Southern colonel are gone," he says. "It's a battle between folk cultures, and it seems the Jacksonian is the more dominant." It's not a clear-cut victory, but the South has won the day.
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That's funny, Susie. My daughter wondered if she lost because of the song she sang. I'm an Idol fan even though I'm oldISH. LOL I love music.
The gal that lost really had a good voice. I don't think she should have been booted. However, when some of these contestants have a fan base they choose those people. Carly (the one that lost) had a large tatoo on her arm. Her husband had many tattoes and even on half of his face. Who knows.
I never thought about the song being the cause of her losing. It was Andrew Lloyd Webber "week." He worked with the contestants. In fact, he suggested Carly sing Jesus Christ Super Star which was her second pick. He stopped her while she was singing on her first pick. However, she felt comfortable singing the song, JCSS. She'll probably get an offer anyway. Many of these talented people do.
Shirley
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I don't watch American Idol. Is the song the real reason this person was eliminated? If so, I am truly worried about this country and the values that are being pushed by some. Sounds like something the Taliaban might do.
Cherryl
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No, I don't think the song is the reason the contestant didn't make it. She's a wonderful singer..so talented. However, if you've ever watched this show there are some pretty true blue supporters of certain contestants. There are two contestants, David Archulleta and David Cook, that I think will win first and second. I don't know which will win which.
Perhaps the song would have been a problem YEARS ago, but I don't think the Bible thumpers are watching and voting. I don't vote. I just watch. LOL
Shirley
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Jason Castro also has his own following. Leave it to the NYT and Newsweek for such a skewed bizarre take on it.
Cherryl--this is the time in the competition when any of them are good enough to be American Idol so from here on out the eliminations will be difficult.
I think youth like in the Obama campaign (LOL) has an advantage in stamina. As someone who has voted in the past--(last time was for Ruben Studdard)---Frankly, it took so many hours of redial I just watch now without voting---They just plumb wore me out waiting on the phone. But those youngins can text away and vote again and again.
Here is the performance
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Shirley & Susie,
Thanks. I feel better about the ''thought police" being out there!
Cherryl
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The Jesus Christ song thing never entered my mind about the contestant losing until I read that post. I loved that musical!
I'm not a Bible thumper, I'm just old and lazy ... I don't vote, just watch and moan and groan when the ones I like get kicked off.
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Good morning my fellow I Love America Republicans.............Susie I love your post yesterday about "being Texan".......I don't know where you find this stuff but I am so thankful that you are part of the political threads.......last summer when you kept all of bc.org updated on the bad dog and cat food from China and your endless research for all of us here concerning cancer itself and our eating habits I have enjoyed for two years.........if you ever have to have a brain mri I would love to get a peek at those films to see what your brain looks like.......
...........I do get tired of the bash Christian policy we have going on in this country......... since all of or laws and founding papers are based on pseudo Christian beliefs whether the left likes it or not..........and I hate to say this but I don't watch American Idol either even though my oldest went to high school with Jason Castro......(don't tell anyone)......he was on the soccer team but never in band or choir.............his family lives in my town..........but at the high school every Tuesday a lot of the town gets together to watch American Idol on close circuit tv and then votes.......ok running late.........taking daughter to symphony practice but I will be back..............Shokk -
You don't watch Jason? He's adorable. But, he or Brook really should have been cut last time instead of Carly. Hmmm..not in band or choir.
Shirley
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