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  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited January 2008

    IMO...........I believe Hillary staged her tears.....and it worked for some voters. I heard a woman interviewed after seeing her tear up and say she changed her vote to Hillary just because of that! WOW........talk about voting on issues!

    My question to everyone is to think back on all the times HILLARY should have cried........and she didn't? There have been many SAD things happen in America since her husband was president. Can anyone recall a major event and seeing Hillary respond with tears in her eyes.....I can't! How many funerals did she go to in New York after 911? Did she cry after seeing the displaced people in New Orleans......or how about some of our young men being brought home to be buried after serving our Country.......any tears then? She was the BEEF behind getting Bill elected and she is no Tammy Wynette..........so why does she pretend with those tears? BECAUSE SHE KNEW SHE HAD TO SHOW HER SOFT SIDE.......and it WORKED! Everything is premeditated.....she is no different than all the rest......this is something she has been working for since her college days, so anyone in her way better watch out! 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    Rumoret, I tend to agree with you and was disgusted to hear women saying that it caused them to change their votes. I don't know if she staged the initial tears, but she sure milked them for all they were worth. I'm sure she has had plenty of practice stifling tears over the years, if she wanted to and needed to.

    I will support her if nominated and if elected I will be glad to have a woman president.  I see her as a 1 termer if she wins because she has a way of polarizing people to turn out against her, in my opinion.

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited January 2008

    Just want to toss this out there about Hillary - many women in NH changed their votes not because of the tears, but because of the local media coverage - some of the headlines went too far "Hillary's dead" for example.  Many women in NH felt that she was being unfairly persecuted and voted for her.    

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    Unfairly "persecuted"--- I wonder if they would have thought the same if she was a man? I doubt it.

  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited January 2008

    I also don't like the fact that we still allow a couple of states to determine who is going to stay in the race. This is not fair to all the rest of us.....who might have liked to vote for one of the others that had dropped out. We do not live in the 1800's anymore.......can we make it a fair race for intelligent people to be able to enter......and not DOLLARS and SPECIAL INTERESTS determining who can stay? I would like to see every American vote at exactly the same time in the primaries.......and how about giving FREE TELEVISION for 1 MONTH paid by our TAX DOLLARS and let the American People get a hard look at these people, along with providing reading resources for the voter to look up their political voting records. Then after the month of listening to these ###### we could all go to the voting booth and do our DEED.

    Love,

    Terry, Independent 

  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited January 2008

    Of course they would MADALYN........but all good causes start somewhere. I think this will happen one day as technology becomes more and more available. I think to many Americans have forgotten that it is..."WE THE PEOPLE" and we are all responsible for just watching this HORSE AND PONEY SHOW!

    Love,

    Terry 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2008
  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    hahaha I love jib-jab.

    The caucuses should be interesting in NV today. I'm so glad they're at noon  local time so we should know the results without having to stay up late. I really hope  Huckabee doesn't win SC today, he's the scariest of the candidates to me- want to change the constitution based on (his version of the christian) god's laws. Bill Maher had a good point about that last night, as he pondered  what he called the stupidity of the 10 commandments. He wondered why swearing was on there and not incest and slavery. I would love to see him interview Huckabee. LOL

    There's another democratic de

  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    I would like to know when they changed the system and why? Didn't it used to be that the candidate was selected at the CONVENTION? And it was all down to the wire with delegate battling it out between each other?

    Now, the conventions are silly. They already KNOW who will be the candidate, yet they spend millions on this big show.

    This year, for the first time, it seems to be a toss up on both sides. I would love it if both parties had true conventions and real voices could be heard.

    Or maybe I am living in a Jimmy Stewart movie.... a girl can dream anyway....! 

    FUNNY jibjab Susie! 

  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited January 2008

    Susie -- sooooo funny  

    NS--give me Jimmy Stewart any day. 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2008

    Gina Joan and Marilyn---Just as a tease. 

    Even though Bloomberg said this week he's not in the race--He met yesterday with Ross Perot's council and campaign manager in Perot's third party bid:   And he is appearing today with Gov. Schwartzenegger.

    If he wants to run he will have to start

    circulating petitions starting March 6 and finished by a May 12th deadline in order to get onto the Texas ballot --and those signatures have to be from those who have not voted in the primary.

    I wouldn't count him out yet no matter how much he protests.---Probably just putting off a real decision till he sees the lay of the land.

    Are The Republicans really going to wind up with Romney?---He just keeps collecting delegates and has all the money in the world to keep it going. 

    Yuk!  Even if someone else wins S Carolina--Romney gets more delegates from Nevada.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    McCain has the momentum now. I hope that he's the GOP nominee as I think he'll be the least dangerous to the country in all issues except for war and our standing in the world.

    At first I was really disappointed that Hillary won NV, until I realized obama got 13 delegates to her 12 so for all that matters, he won. Remember when Gore won the popular vote yet Bush was anointed president? I know you all have been trying to block that out for 7 years as is the rest of the world Tongue out.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008
    I watched the returns on the television all day yesterday.  Like others have said, I miss the conventions as they used to be.  It was fun watching them do counts.  Now I find the conventions boring.
  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    Susie, Mayor Mike is definitely running!

    All New Yorkers think so.

    A friend of mine has a radio show and every week he appears on it and it is like that old song...."your no, no, no's sound like yes to me!" 

    I wager he will wait until February, after he sees if Rudy's "strategy" worked in FLorida... and judging on the polls that strategy wasn't the best of political moves! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Gina, since you live in New York how do you feel about Bloomberg?

    Shirley

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited January 2008

    Amy, so it's a problem when Gore wins the popular vote but Bush gets more electoral college seats, but it's great when Clinton wins the popular vote but Obama gets more delegates?  Yeah, that makes sense. 

    For a country that claims to be the best democracy in the world (not sure I agree with that one, but anyway....) I think it's a problem in both cases. 

  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    Shirley,

    I don't live in Manhattan so what the mayor does doesn't really affect me unless he starts in with the commuter tax idea again!

    Most people like him. He is a very smart business man and I think he would be good for the economy. 

    He has his quirks- for example, he won't live in Gracie mansion, the Mayor's residence...but that is understandable because he has a gorgeous home of his own. He doesn't take a salary, just $1 per year. And he takes the subway to work every day- with about ten body guards!

    The Mayor and the head of the city council IS bringing to the forefront something very exciting.  It is called Manny's Law. And it is about educating EVERYONE that you cannot be denied treatment from a hospital if you cannot pay. They will work out a payment plan when you are over the crisis. It was named for a man who had a brain tumor and needed immediate surgery, but the hospital told him that since he couldn't pay he would have to go and get welfare or medicade and then come back. He died in the interim when the surgery COULD have been performed immediately and the hospital knew it. So the Mayor is on top of some very interesting things. 

    I am not sure how the rest of America would feel about him though. He is not exactly a commanding presence. He is very small in stature and speaks very softly. With all the shouting going on, I am not sure how he will be heard!

    He is a VERY LIBERAL republican. I think the only conservative ideals he holds onto are economic, small government, etc. He may be able to reach those Americans who are purple- not red or blue- but they fall somewhere in between and want more peace between the feuding sides this nation is divided into.

    That is about all I know about him.

    He is also single. He used to take his mother to all the big events he had to go to as his date. I believe he is divorced because he has two (?) daughters.

    Hugs,

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    Beesie, did you purposely misinterpret what I was trying to say? I am have always been against the electoral college. I believe in the popular vote where everyone has a voice, but since that's not the way the elections work, I'm glad Obama got one more than Hillary.

    NS- Bloomberg is socially liberal and  fiscally leans toward the conservative side. He's progay rights and pro choice. I would love to see an Obama/Bloomberg ticket.

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited January 2008

    Jumping in on the gay rights thing:  Although fully in support of civil unions and equal rights, I have been uncomfortable with the legalizing of same sex "marriage" as being somehow a real break with the past/traditional meaning but am willing to admit that I really know very little about the institution except for what my Catholic upbringing taught me.  So, to remedy my ignorance, I am now reading the Stephanie Coontz book, Marriage, A History.  It promises to be a real myth buster!  Thought some others of you might be interested in reading it also.

    Tina

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    Abbadoodles, I'm thrilled to hear you're reading up on it! The question I have for you-- and I ask respectfully, is that I cannot understand when people say what you did.

    Although fully in support of civil unions and equal rights, I have been uncomfortable with the legalizing of same sex "marriage"

    What I don't understand, and no one has ever been able to explain it to me in a way I can understand, is what would the difference be in civil unions and legalizing same sex marriage. Is it the use of the word "marriage" ? Do you see it as the same w/o the word marriage? I know you can only speak for yourself and not everyone else in the country who says the exact same thing.

    Madalyn, what's scary to me is that in some countries and even here in the USA marriages are still arranged. I used to work with a Indian (from india, not a native american) guy   who was in love with a caucasian woman, his parents had arranged a marriage for him with a lovely woman of Indian heritage-- who he didn't love. Both sets of parents lived in the USA as did the intended spouses. It was so sad and he ended up having a break down after they had been married. Not sure how he is now, but I'll bet he's still married and that they have kids :(.

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited January 2008

    Well, I found out Saturday night at dinner what really happened in NH.  The wife of a friend of my DH is a union leader.  It seems that Obama is not supporting the unions as strongly as the other candidates.  He doesn't use unions to set up his gatherings.  He made a pro union statement, but he was making in a location that was notoriously anti-union.  Long story short, DH's friend's wife got really angry about it and started calling all the unions 3 days before the primary.  She didn't tell them who to vote for, just who not to vote for and why.  After the primary, she was told that she influenced the election by 13%.  All the polls before the election had Obama ahead by 10%.  Amazing what unions can accomplish.    

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited January 2008

    ADK..interesting..

    What happened between Bill Clinton and Obama? I read something but I can't find the info on it. Could somebody please tell me?

    As for arranged marriages..this is something, as was mentioned, that happens in many cultures still. It's not what everybody feels comfortable with, but within the tight community in some of these cultures, they know nothing else so I think it does work..but I think this is off topic?

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited January 2008

    ADK...interesting, can you say groupthink!

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2008

    Well Hillary, Obama and Edwards seem to be having a very vitriolic debate on CNN tonight.  I've only seen a few minutes but they are really sniping at each other.  It's still going on but will also probably repeat tonight.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2008

    My G-D--You gotta watch CNN---That was down right creepy!  Slugfest is an understatement.  If you didn't know it before---These two hate each other.

    Edwards was the only gentleman on there.  

    CNN is replaying big portions.

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2008

    <sigh>I WISH I could see CNN.

    I might have to get cable, just for 2008.I think it would serve me well....

    (Do you know if any REGULAR TV channels will be showing the debate?Channel 12?)

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2008

    Sorry Joan, Don't know of any.  I'm sure you'll hear all the nasty soundbites tomorrow. 

    CNN is repeating the debate in its entirety an hour after Larry King. --Really worth seeing.   That will be 1:00 AM

    Joan, I barely watch any of the regular stations but CNN, The National Geographic channel and the BBC Channel (a few others like the independent film channels) are well worth having especially considering you usually get high speed Computer  line in the package.

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2008

    Do you have to get phone?I remember you didnt like it...(I dont want phone)..

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2008

    Don't know if you can get the high speed computer connection without the phone service.  You can get the TV by itself but its cheapest in the bundle and since they are having price wars you may be able to get a good deal.  My phone problems have been worked out.   Both Verizon and Comcast have what they call a triple play--getting the stuff individually can be very expensive.

  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    THis was an amazing debate.

    It was like a steel cage match at some points.

    Joan, I wish you had cable!!

    I think that Hilary showed a side to her that some Americans have not seen- and it wasn't attractive.

    Obama fending off the attacks from her and John Edwards very well, and managed to look both presidential and like a regular guy.

    Edwards appeared like the voice of reason rising above it.

    I will agree- Hil and Obama HATE each other. I do not see how they could ever be teamed up as a ticket- there is way too much bad blood there! 

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