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Hey guys,
Wow, try to find support for breast cancer husbands. Yes I read the book, a must read for us men, sorry no pictures though. It takes you step by step and is a wonderful, informative book. It is also brutally honest, it brings you up and slaps you down with varying emotions, from outright laughter to sobbing.
My wife was diagnosed with LCIS stage zero. She has opted to go for the bi-lateral mastectomy with reconstruction. Her surgery at Sloan is Nov 20th, next week. Wish me luck.
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Hello guys (and any lady lurkers).
I'm 41, my wife is 42, and she was dx w/ bc earlier this year.
Surgery went well and she has started chemo (fec100).
I've been to every Dr. appt. and chemo treatment, and I try to constantly reassure her that I'm here for her.
Now this is going to sound selfish as hell, but is her loss of libido being caused by the chemo? I mean is it a common side effect?
She hasn't been the least bit interested, since beginning chemo, in being intimate and it's got me worried. Other than that, our relationship is still warm and caring.
Can anyone ease my mind by telling me if this is common?
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Hi, I can ease your mind that decreased libdo is truly a normal response.
Not only that but the psychological aspects of this diagnosis are really profound. That can add to loss of self esteem and poor body image.
Take it slow and let her know you want to cuddle, and that she doesn't have to do more. Right now I'd bet she'd really appreciate that.
Other than that, lots of guys just "handle" it themselves.
Please do know that it can return.
There's a great thread on the moving beyond board "I want my mojo back". It can be very enlightening to you guys.
I think I can speak for many to let you know that this loss is a loss to her as well as you.
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Hi guys and girls, Carrie and Cowgirl I didn't realise you were still poppping in here. We were lucky to escape the fires Carrie although there was one close call. A fire was starting and luckily a plane was flying over so it didn't last very long. They were in the region where I live though and lots of people died or lost everything.
Sorry to hear about your father's death Cowgirl, I've got some family problems too at the moment. Dad has alzheimer's and they've had to put him in a nursing home.
Health wise, I've just done my three yearly tests. Everything is ok so far. Just have the mammo left to do and the visit with my doctor. I've lost 35 lbs - have been dieting for 11 months now and I'm exercising at least half an hour every day. I went part-time at work cos I wasn't really coping and it has made such a difference.
I don't come to the site very often now as I really don't like this new format but now I know you're here I'll keep checking back in.
Hugs
Mags
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Hey Jim. I'm right there in the same situation. Allot of women (and men) really don't feel open to discussing this issue but it is a big issue with BC treatment. You're right about bringing it up. I can hear the reaction now,"Here I am with breast cancer and allyou can think about is sex!" Well that's not exactly true. Sex is a big partof the relationship and once it's gone you just can't ignore it. I don't have any answers for you other than to just say that you are not alone.
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Im 25 yrs old and my fiance is turning 25 Dec.1 she was diagnosed earlier this year it went from BC to squamous cell carcinoma. She had a lumpectomy and they were going to work on the BC and then they found the squamous cell. She just completed chemo/radiation therapy. Whats driving me crazy is that she has been in europe this whole time and I am here in the states. Its been 10 months....She speaks to me less and less. She says the loving/intimate part of her "brain" has shut down and that she is exhaused and I believe her but its very stressful and depressing for me as well. I make pretty good money and I find that I will be broke for at least a week because I have been trying to keep busy...
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hello Greg.Im a husband and father of a lady i truly loved and always will she came to this chat rooms as Beautiful_Moma little over a year ago,but im sadend to say she is no longer with us as she passed Nov/12/2006 to this horrable disease. i am glad there are men out there that stand and stood by there loved one's as you and i have. you battle has gone longer than mine.it was a long 6 month battle we fought, but a battle worth fighting for.cheryl my wife was only 33 and gave me 2 wonderful young men 8 & 12 now.but her memmorie will always live each and every time i look into my babyies eye's i will always see her.i think it is a good thing you are doing.your a good soul and you should feel good about yourself.it's been just over a year now and somtimes for me it seams to be getting harder & harder to deal with,but i can still feel her presents near me each and every day...my thoughts and prayers go out to you friend may God Bless you with the strength to keep up the fight and be by your loved one as you are truly blessed sincerly "Mr_Mom"
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My wife has just been diagnosed with IBC (18th Dec) its a frightening and quite surreal time for us both. Being totally ignorant on the subject I am looking for some advice. I have ordered marc silvers book about BC husbands. My wife, however is a senior nurse so she probably knows far to much already but it doesnt stop her being scared. We have a long and hard year ahead. She's got chemo first (8th Jan) then the mastectomy and finally radiotherapy. we will just have to see what happens. We havnt told our 7 year old son yet but we will soon. I am scared and worried and thinking allsorts of scary stuff but I will be there every step of the way for her. I know care will be hard but I love her so much so it should just come natural.
Jason
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Hi Jason, tell your son. This is not a social disease. He will be much more frightened by what he DOES NOT hear than by your honesty with him, of course modified to his age.
But you and your wife sit down with him, or even in the car, and say the word "cancer". He will overhear phone calls, see evidence of tears, even sadness. They are like tiny antennas, nothing gets past them and they will imagine things much worse than they are.
So sit down and say, mama has breast cancer, we expect her to fully recover. She may be tired a lot and may even cry, her hair may fall out, but that is the drugs that are given to kill the cancer. This is a family challenge, we need you to: take more care of the pets (food, etc.), help fold clothes, make your bed, take out the trash, and TOGETHER, as a strong family, this will all be just fine.
Now, this is necessary mainly because this nasty battle is so long. He will imagine things (from over-hearing phone calls, people who stop talking when he bursts in the room, silence.) He needs to feel a part of the solution, not an ornament in this family. I strongly believe in this.
Gentle hugs, Shirlann
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As a senior nurse myself, not sure if that means in age or level of supervision. LOL
I can tell you that since cancer was not my specialty, I knew a lot less than I thought I did about bc.
It was tough to learn to say "I don't understand" to other medical professionals, and get "those looks" from them. I finally learned to make sure everything was explained to me fully---and I made them repeat it till I did fully understand it.
Of course, I did a lot of reaserch on here and the net and that was a huge help. The learning curve is something else.
Please let your wife know she doesn't have to KNOW it all and to pick the brains of all treating personnel, knowledge is power.
And good for you! You are being proactive to seek info and come here. Keep up the good work! You are a keeper!
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Today is my first venture into this site. My wife and I learned Dec 20 that she has mets in the spine and in the soft tissue. She is 2.5 yrs out from the first bout which she fought and survived alone.
I am scared, but I know that I will be there at every turn.
Will be at this site for guidance and support --alot.
thebigsky,(Dorel, Indianapolis)
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Hello Dorel, welcome to the place NO ONE ever wanted to find.
May I suggest a good book: the breast cancer husband. ck amazon for it. It can be a huge help for you and your wife.
Please know that many, many are living with mets and will continue to do so for a long, long time.
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What do I do when she wont talk to me??
our communication was great before this all started and now i want to be supportive and help in any way I can but she doesnt tell me anything now.
This is a very serious question. What can I do? keep silent about any emotions I have? Try to comfort or just talk about anything she brings up....ignore the issue (the cancer) ?? I really want to help but I feel helpless right now, hope that doesnt sound selfish, I just want to help.
I also find myself being angry alot and dont know what to do about it. I dont feel comfortable going to support groups where anyone around town will know whats going on with you.
anybody?? any comments from bc patients that went through this would be greatly appreciated, I just dont know what to do. I dont know what bc patients feel , i have read a few stories but I want to hear from a few more. She is so distant now, she rarely talks to me, is it really that common for bc patients after treatment??
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flyhigh,
have you sat down with her and talked to her? I dont know what your situation is or your relationship. She may feel guilty for pulling you into all of this. I know I feel that way at times. Maybe she's giving you enough leash to see what you do with. Talk to her face to face. Sorry you're both going thru this.
g
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And as far as your anger, please ck out counseling esp. if she's going to a cancer center. they will have social workers or psychologists on staff who can help a great deal with this very normal reaction.
I was angry for at least 3 years! But not all the time. I do know the feeling tho.
Another approach: copy off your post and read it to her, or leave it on her pillow.
a hug a day is a good thing, too, for you both. Just hopefully let her know that you want to BE THERE and listen, NOT fix things, for you surely cannot fix cancer. And if she does begin to talk, don't brush off her fears, they are real and very deep. too many people keep saying it's all gonna be ok and I've yet to hear a newly diagnosed woman or man believe that.
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flyhigh,
Ths first thing I would do is to just be available and safe. Safety and security are the food that feeds women's souls.If she feels that you are safe to talk to then it will happen eventually. She may beafraid that you will leaveher, who knows. Just beavailable for her without putting pressureon her to "talk about it." If you need to talk to unburden yourself, talk to a trusted friend about what you are feeling. I wouldn't burden yourspousewith your feelings unless she offers to listen. Even then tread carefully.
God bless.
-j
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Hi guys, there is a lot of anger and feelings that your body has let you down. This is silly, but we are all human. I think the anger is closely associated with fear. But anger is easier to deal with than fear, so there you go.
The suggestion to go to counseling is VITAL. Everyone should, the whole family. This nasty journey is so long and so hard, it just drains everyone. But if she won't, you need to go. Ask what to do and say. There are people who specialize in helping people deal with diseases, and this is who you need. Someone who has had experience in the field of bad, bad diagnoses.
So keep posting, there is always someone around.
God bless you, Shirlann -
Not sure if this is the right forum to post on... But, My girlfriend was just diagosed yesterday. She is 25. I was looking for some advice on what to expect in the future...
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Hi dredma, so sorry about your gf. This will be a rough time for her. And you. If you'll read more of these threads you'll see you are not alone about wanting to be helpful and trying to determine "what do I do?".
there's a great book "the breast cancer husband" that can off you a lot of insight and explainations of what's happening and how you can support her.
Please come back and we'll help as much as possible. Also, please let your gf know about this site. It's about the best on the net with support and up to date information.
Hugs to you and to her. Hang in there and LISTEN to her, knowing that you cannot "fix" cancer.
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Little-G
I havent seen her face to face since about a year ago when she was diagnosed, she decided to do treatments overcease. I feel I have not been supportive enough the last few conversations I had with her. I was angry....part of it was from not hearing from her for weeks. I was more focused on what I felt at the time. I understand more as time goes on. Someone told me that she would come back with a little time. Someone else told me maybe its time to let go.
I dont intend to leave. But I do fear at times that her feelings have changed, she just doesnt act the same from which I have read that its common for patients to act differently after treatments.
iodine-
I know she isnt the type to seek counseling, very independent woman...thinks she can do everything on her own...I think its very hard for her to admit she needs help from anybody. I dont know where to go to online for a support group. I dont think I can go to a local center.
Someone mentioned to me that alot of patients dont wanna hear or constantly be asked about it, like they dont want to be reminded? I believe this may be true for a good portion of patients, any thoughts?
One thing she has said about why she acts this way is that she is exhausted all the time. How long is the average feelings of fatigue after treatement? I know it varies for patients but there must be some sort of average?? It has been about 11 weeks since she finished treatments. And it has been 4 weeks since she last contacted me(she is not in the states, she is overcease) oh yeah, shes also with her father who does not like me. I was told by a friend, even a little contact is good. If she didnt talk to me at all then it would be time to seriously consider moving on. This is the person I want to spend the rest of my life with and before all this she felt the same and she told me she still feels the same a while back but I still wonder. Its hard not to when I cant even see her now.
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See if you can find a Guilda's Club in your area. they have a lot to offer.
The exhaustion can go on for months! Just because the treatments are over doesn't mean she' thru. Many of us, just when treatment ends, actually begin to wrap our heads around the fact that we've had bc and will face the rest of our lives wondering if it will come back.
sometimes the end of treatment is when we finally "let go" and disolve in a puddle. We then have time to mentally address all the fears and concerns that we've pushed to the back of our minds in the effort to focus on treatment. It can be a very rough time.
May I suggest: instead of just calls -- write letters! At least once a week and more often if possible. It's amazing what we can say in a letter that we can't over the phone or email. Letters are precious things, might give that a try.
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iodine,
thank you for your words. It really helps me in knowing how to deal with this. I would be losing my mind if I didnt have somewhere to turn to for just a few words on the subject.
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Didn't seem to be a lot on here having to do with sons/daughters of mothers with breast cancer. Got a call today from my dad- said that mom has breast cancer (not a big surprise) and that it was supposedly in stage III or IV (something of a surprise). Now all I've done is sit at this damned 'puter to learn what I can. Think I'm gonna be cross-eyed by tomorrow.
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Miles, I think families of bc patients may have it more difficult emotionally speaking. When my husband called our son about my diagnosis he was so angry over my diagnosis that he hung up on my husband. He continued his anger until he spoke to a friend whose mom had been diagnosed 2 years prior and is now doing great. Once he found out that a cancer diagnosis is NOT necessarily a death sentence, he was ready to talk to us. I reminded him that he got his stubborness from me and I, too, am a fighter. He and I are much closer now.
Stay in touch, we all care about you, as well as your mom.
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So it has been 5 weeks now.....since she and I last spoke....
I dont know what to do.....I currenntly dont have a way to contact her, besides email and it doesnt seem she has been online at all. Part of me doesnt understand and the other part tries to understand why she would just leave me in the dark and it feels very cruel.
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I'm bumping this back up. I think that this is a worthy topic and one not given enough attention to. Maybe not so much a hangout spot, but a good place for men to discuss their feelings or at least meet others who are similar and interested in the care of their mother, sister, wife, daughter or other female relative.
There are many taboo topics that you might not want to discuss in the open and if you feel uncomfortable, you shouldn't, but I want to get this to a place where you can find other husbands who might have a similar question.
For example, yesterday we met with my wife's oncologist, a very well-respected doctor in her profession. Our hospital is a teaching hospital and thus we had four other young female pre-med, residents, and fellows in the room too. The discussion got to libido and behavior during adjuvant therapy. Talk about wanting to crawl into a hole or under my chair!!!!
Anyway, calling all men, please feel free to revive this thread, post here, or even exchange PMs with each other.
Route53
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Okay, I'm new to this group. I just finished chemo 3 weeks ago (another woman butting in...), but I do have a question for the men if any are still on this thread.
I know some of you have had concerns about the loss of libido in your SO, but what about how you feel toward her? Have any of you had trouble wanting intimacy once she lost her hair, eyebrows, skin color, energy, nails, or whatever? My SO seemed to have lost interest about mid treatment. Said he still wanted to be friends, and would not admit to having lost interest. We had a very healthy sex life and I really didn't lose my mojo significantly. But he hasn't approached me in two months in spite of my letting him know I was still very interested! This is hard to talk about and a hard question to ask, but I just have to know. Is treatment really a turnoff for some of you? I mean I wouldn't blame you, I guess. I just need to know from a guys point of view.
Thanks, Jessee
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Bumping this thread as I believe it is a great topic........Where has everyone gone??....Especially the guys who startedt his??.
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Thanks for the bump Hollyann.
It looks like most men who are on this site don't stay on very long. I looked at the profiles of most of the men who atarted and they posted a couple times and were gone. I think the lifespan of a man on this topic is very brief when compared to the woman.
I for one know that it goes in stages (diagnosis, prep, surgery, recovery reconstruction, radiation, chemo, etc) and now that my wife is in her post-trials I am less involved in her daily care. That said it is good for those men to participate as this topic is an important one although the resources are not readily available when they should be.
Erik (route53)
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I'll help bump this topic too. I am brand new to the board (today) and my wife is post-lumpectomy, pre-chemo (TC) with rad coming down the road. Also looking for suggestions on how to best support my wife as well as info on our road ahead.
Any info or experiences with TC?
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