No reconstruction- Happy w/your decision?

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  • AliceJean
    AliceJean Member Posts: 625
    edited October 2007

    I had a unilateral mast in 2001. Like you Marlee, I just wanted it to be over and move on. At first I was Ok w/that decision but now I wish I'd had a double mast and recon at the same time. I am 59, significantly overweight and I feel my self-esteem and outlook would be more positive and I would feel less altered, damaged, ruined, etc., had I taken the time to do some research and been willing to do the recovery period. But I was working then, now I'm retired; I was dx with met this past Jan and so I'm second-guessing a lot of things now.  If you ever want to wear a swimsuit or tank top or pretty lingerie again, you'd better think seriously about recon. Even though they tell you, you can always do it later, does a new surgery affect your lymphedema issues? It's like anything else you put off, there is no time like the present to do it. The longer you wait the harder it will be to go back and have it done. Good luck to you!! 

  • AliceJean
    AliceJean Member Posts: 625
    edited October 2007

    I too was told I was too heavy to have a DIEP procedure. Something to do with the healing of the stomach incision. At 225 pounds and a 42 DDD, I hate my chest and wish I had done recon earlier.

  • Riverwoman
    Riverwoman Member Posts: 25
    edited November 2007

    I won't repeat my whole story.. it's under Thank all that is good.. etc..

    I had a bilateral mast in Oct'03. I knew I did not want more surgery, possible complications, nor did I want to have to worry that I could not feel another lump.. I had a second surgery because of lumps on the scar line and in the sentinel node area.

    I'm turning 62 on the 13th and my husband is very supportive.. so, it was not a big deal for us, as a couple.
    I miss my breasts.. they were lovely. They were definitely a part of my sexuality... but.. they can't be replaced by silicone or saline.. it could never be the same.

    I was grateful for the dog ears.. for the second surgery used the extra skin.

    I'm a bit over weight, and now my belly is more evident.. but, I have found that wearing patterned tops and solid skirts or pants gives me camouflage.   I seldom wear prosthesis... but if I do, it's homemade, with panty hose and pillow fluff.. stitched into tanks with built in bras. (see the knit breast thread)

    At first I was uncomfortable with my flat look.. my hair is very short, I don't wear make up.. and have had more than one person say something like..
    let the gentleman by, honey..  when I was in lavender capris and a womans straw hat.. maybe he has a gay brother!

    Now, I just laugh.. and wear more skirts.. that really confuses em!!

    So.. yes, I am very happy with the decision I made..
    I have friends that have had reconstruction, and are happy with their decision.. it's all about YOU, princess!!

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited November 2007

    I am thinking about having my implants taken out. If I have them taken out, I am not intersted in wearing any protheses.  how many of you go "flat" chested.  I am not quite ready yet to make a decision, but trying to sort it all out.  I was a 34B prior to BC and my implants are 300cc - supposed to be about the same size as before.  I have my bilat 3/1/06, exchange 3/23/07 and revision to exchange 7/23/07.  The two sides are not symmetrical, but not quite as bad as before the revision.  I just don't like the implants - probably more what they represent.  In clothes i look okay, but I don't like they way I look naked - these are not "boobs". I have a consult with another PS in January (the soonest I could get in).  I want to see what she thinks - are these just great or what.  I know that I have to make my own decision regardless of what the PS says. Thanks in advance.  Karen in denver

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited November 2007

    Karen,

    I never get over how individual each of us is in our reactions to the various post-mastectomy options. I chose not to have reconstruction, in part because of what you're describing--I just felt that I didn't want to put something "unreal" into my chest that weren't really breasts. I prefer having a nice flat chest (I did request that my surgeon make it as cosmetically pleasing as possible--no extra skin, even incisions). Yet, as we know, many women are thrilled with their implants (or tissue reconstruction) and some even feel that they look better than with their natural breasts.

    Most of the time, I wear small breast forms--I'm really big on comfort and I've found some good solutions. But occasionally, I do go out without breast forms--it's very liberating! 

    If you haven't checked out my website, BreastFree.org, you might find some of the photos (and some of the personal stories) helpful regarding going flat. Also, you could check out the "Going Form-Free" section on the website, which is specifically for women who want to go "flat".

    Barbara 

  • Riverwoman
    Riverwoman Member Posts: 25
    edited November 2007

    I go flat almost full time.. on rare occasions I wear soft titties sewn into a tank top.

    Occasionally I get looks, and for me, that is fine. I wish that more people knew that this is what really happens when you have breast cancer. We do not feel nor look the same. We don't stare at someone with a missing arm, leg, eye... but.. for some reason.. and I know that it is because hundreds of thousands of women have either had reconstruction or wear prosthesis.

    This is the face I present. I have had bc, a mastectomy.. and this is what I look like.

    I am not happy that I have lost a lovely part of my body, but I have. I do not care if the world knows.

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited November 2007

    Karen,

    I completely understand what you're saying about the implants. I had a failed reconstruction and felt so relieved to get rid of that implant. It felt and looked like I had a softball under my chest muscle. Also, to me, it looked more gruesome than my scar looks now though I don't have the prettiest scar. Most of us wish we could have our breasts back, but unfortunately, that's just not going to happen.

    I applaud those who feel brave enough to go without a prosthesis. I'm not ready for that yet. Perhaps if I were bilateral, I could do it once in awhile. Someone once posted here that she went without protheses and someone saw her and went out and got a mammogram. Perhaps if we were all more open about our lack of breasts we could increase awareness about the importance of preventive measures to combat breast cancer.

    - Susan

  • msfriz6
    msfriz6 Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2007

    Great thread!  Thanks marlee1 for getting it started.  My decision to forgo reconstruction after bi-lat, 10/10/07 (1 necessary other prophylactic) was easy.  I was very flat-chested before surgery (never wore a bra) and am not much different, now.  (A lumpectomy wasn't even an option - the 4cm tumor was my entire breast)  The only difference now, is that I don't have any nipples, either.  Before surgery, I thought I'd have that part reconstructed eventually, but now I'm not going to.  Just no need - for me personally.

    That being said, my husband of 18 years did attemp to talk me into getting the 'Dolly Parton' look.  I told him, surgery wouldn't end there bc I would need 'butt augmentation, otherwise I would be falling on my nose.  Yea, I am sure from his point of view, it'd be nice.  But in my mind, my breasts or lack-there-of, never defined me as me.  So, no thank you.

    Karen1956 ~ Your post caught my eye as I see you are from Denver.  That's where I go for tx (live 3.5 hours away, though).  Do you by any chance go to the Cancer Care Center at Porter Hosp?  I am heading back for #2 on the 20th.  Oh, and I saw a great PS that I'd highly recommend.  Could maybe get you in before Jan., if you are interested??

    Peace and strength to all ~ 

  • Raye99
    Raye99 Member Posts: 1,350
    edited November 2007

    Karen,

    I had a unilateral mast in September of '06, followed by a proph mast in August of '07. I wear size 3 (small B?) protheses to work and social functions, but go flat around the house and to the gym.  My options for reconstruction are very limited due to the rads (no implants or free flaps) and I do not want a TRAM. While I sometimes get down about having no breasts at age 40 (was 39 for my first operation); I am happy to be alive and my wonderful bs did  such a tremendous job that my scar from the 06 operation is barely visible.

    I know making a decision such as you are contemplating is very difficult and I pray for your peace of mind and resolution to your dilemma.

    Riverwoman - amen! You are something special and I love it. Very inspiring attitude you have.

    Barbara, I was just on your site and I must say - it is simply terrific.  Thank you.

    Raye

  • chemomom
    chemomom Member Posts: 171
    edited November 2007

    Hi ladies.  I am 32, married, and have 2 young boys (5 & 2).  I had a bilateral mast on 10/25/07 (1 needed, 1 prophylactic).  I was very large chested before but I opted to go without recon.  Initially 2 reasons, really-- with 2 kids, I just wanted to get rid of the cancer and get on with healing.  Recon would only prolong recovery time.  Also, in my opinion, if I had gotten recon, it would have been entirely for other people.  Reconstructed boobs would look alien to me and most likely I wouldn't even be able to feel them.  So I didn't see the point.  For these same reasons, I don't bother with prostheses either. 

    At this point, closing in on a month after my surgery, I am very pleased with my decisions.  My boobs tried to kill me.  I am glad to be rid of them!  I may end up seeing a plastic surgeon to clean up the incision sometime in the future (we'll see as it continues to heal), but i do not see reconstruction or prosthetics in my future at all. 

    As an aside, I have found very little info on gals like me who opt to go without recon or prosthetics.  Even the NP's I see at the breast care center all assume everyone would want one or the other.  But for me, bra-free is the way to be.  Laughing 

  • Katiejane
    Katiejane Member Posts: 789
    edited November 2007

    Chemomom,  Like you, I had a bi-lateral mastectomy(1 prophylactic, 1 necessary) in June of '07 and have chosen to not have reconstruction.  I had 36 C's before BC and to be honest there are times I wish I still had breasts but I'm not willing to go through more surgeries.  I have my " boobs in a box" in my closet but have chosen not to wear them. I have no problem with a flat chest but my cloths do fit differently. People who haven't been through this can't understand why I have chosen not to do reconstruction.  Many don't understand that implants aren't just a 1 time surgery.  For me, comfort is the name of the game! Who knows, maybe down the road I'll stuff some tissues in my prosthesis bra! The silicone prosthesis are much to heavy!!!   Chattie 

  • ilenee
    ilenee Member Posts: 120
    edited November 2007

     To my surprize, my doctor mentioned a mastecomy to me, even through I am only grade 1. I completle agree with you, chemomom. I just got diagonosed on Monday and what ever I can do to prevent my kids from having a sick mom, I will do.

  • GrandmaWolf
    GrandmaWolf Member Posts: 88
    edited November 2007

    ChemoMom...

    You are reasurance to a woman almost twice your age.  Having had 3 distinct primaries in 8 years, I am sneaking up on the idea of a  bilateral after chemo.  If I do, I cannot see any purpose in going thru all the added trauma of replacing the irreplacable (at least for me). There is a part of me that hangs back with trepidation...but the other half of me says, just "get on with it" and go on living a meaningful life.  You confirm that is possible.

    thanks

    GrandmaWolf...aka Dakota

  • Loocy
    Loocy Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2007

    I had my surgery in May 2006 and the last thing I wanted to think about at the time was have reconstructive surgery. My partner said he would like it if I did early on, but as I had a rough time with the anaesthetic, he has left the decision to me. I just did not want to put my body through more stress of surgery, even though my surgeon does an amazing job.



    My boobs are not that big anyway and I am not a vain person about that sort of thing. I was just happy to get through everything and keep my health.



    I only went and got my form (named marjorie) about two weeks ago and am very happy with it. I don't wear it every day as I hate wearing a bra and only wear one when going out.



    Being in Australia, the majority of women prefer not to have reconstructions, and as forms are so very good these days, nobody can really tell anyway.



  • vicliz
    vicliz Member Posts: 159
    edited November 2007

    I guess I am pretty vain because even though I have always been small breasted the idea of not having a "natural" breast did not appeal to me.  I can certainly relate to those that feel they want to just get through it all as soon as possible.  I felt that way also.  They have come such a long way with recon possibilities.  It is definately worth looking into.  If you ask some of the gals from the reconsrtuction thread they will tell you how thrilled they are with the results.

    Vicki

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited November 2007

    Hi Vicki,

    I'm certainly aware that many women feel the most attractive thing to do after a mastectomy is to have reconstruction. But there are those of us who feel that it's more natural to be flat after losing a breast and, in some ways at least, more attractive. For me at least, the desire to "just get through it all as soon as possible" wasn't a major factor. Before my mastectomies, I looked at many pictures of implants and flap surgeries. I didn't want to mess with my abdomen or back or buttocks (all of which I like and all of which my husband finds sexy) and I didn't want a foreign object (implant) in my chest. So non-recon was the obvious choice for me. 

    Many women who have recon say that they look great in clothes but not so great naked. I also look great in clothes--I never was into cleavage anyway. And, having had bilateral mastectomies, I can go bigger or smaller as I wish, depending on my mood and what looks good with what I'm wearing. As far as when I'm not wearing anything, I feel good about the way I look. Yes, I'm flat, but with a nice smooth chest and almost invisible scars. I look more petite than before (I was a B/C cup), which I like.

    What may surprise you the most is that my husband emphatically supported my choice not to have recon. He felt he would have disliked my having fake breasts. I had my surgery a little over a year ago. At first, I was shy about having him touch my chest, but over time that has become a pleasant part of our intimate times together.

    Definitely, some women can't imagine living without "breasts", so for them it's wonderful that a variety of reconstruction options exist. For me and others on this board, it's preferable to forego reconstruction. 

  • SLH
    SLH Member Posts: 566
    edited November 2007

    Erica, I have a question for you.

    When I had my bilateral, expanders were placed with an immediate 25ccs.  After a few days the numbness wore off and my whole chest, arm to arm and from the collarbone down, felt exceedingly super-sensitive and painful.  I couldn't have anything touching, not even a blanket.

    Is it like that when you don't do immediate reconstruction?

    sally 

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited November 2007

    Sally,

    I can only answer for myself that, yes, pretty much the same thing happened to me about a week or ten days after surgery. I began to feel super-sensitive (not so much painful as sensitive). I could hardly stand to wear anything against my skin.

    I was told that the most helpful clothing in that situation would be silk (thin silk, like WinterSilks camisoles) or satin, since those fabrics glide over the skin. I had a couple of old WinterSilks tees and lived in them for about three weeks. The good news is that the sensitivity gradually subsided and then disappeared.

    I've seen women with implant recon post about the same experience, so I think that this is something that happens whether or not you've had reconstruction, probably at least in part because of disrupted nerves that are coming back to life and regenerating. I went to a physical therapist and she gently massaged the area and encouraged me to do the same. That seemed to help. Not sure if it's okay for you to do that with expanders--you should probably check with your PS first. 

    Hope this helps. 

  • janniexy
    janniexy Member Posts: 28
    edited November 2007

    It has been about 6 weeks since I was last on this site.  Just wanted to say my protheses (had 1 bc & 1 prophylactic) absolutely mold to my chest.  Once I have the mast bra on, the "boobs" become part of me.  It feels very natural.  The bras however tend to feel a little irritating, I think my skin is still sensitive (7 months out).  Also my side incisions from the SNB and the drains are more tender than my chest incision,which is actually pretty numb.

    I've recently purchased two regular bras (no pocket) and I just "pop" in the forms, fasten her up and I'm good to go.  This gives me more options in bras, and the forms don't move out of place.  With the bra fastened, everything is totally secure.  I wouldn't try that in a swimsuit obviously, but the regular bras are working.

    I tend to take the bra off as soon as I get home from work, but I did that before surgery--never have felt bras were all that comfortable.  

    Not having reconstruction was the right choice for me. 

    Jan

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited December 2007

    Just thought I would send a quick update - I saw a second PS on Thursday - sure wish I would have used him from the get go. He heard what I was say - the emotional pain.  He feels that I am still healing and it would be best to do nothing for now (as far as taking out the implants).  He suggested that I think about the finishing touches.  I know that this is the NO Recon thread, but since I had asked before about going "flat" I wante to share what the PS said.  I am just as confused as before, but now I am more willing to give it time.  Even though the PS says I look porportional for my body, I still feel that the implants are too big (though they are only 300cc). I have visited ERica's site and need to go back there many more times, but for now, I guess time is the best answer.  I will keep you posted once (if) I make a decision.  Karen

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited December 2007

    Just thought I would send a quick update - I saw a second PS on Thursday - sure wish I would have used him from th

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited December 2007

    Karen,

    Appreciate the update. We're here for you either way and wish you the best.

    - Susan

  • Jyber
    Jyber Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2007

    I had a single mastectomy and told my surgeon in advance that I would probably want the other boob removed at a later point. He was pushing me to see a plastic surgeon to consider recon but I never even bothered. My reasons are similar to those stated by many above -- my concern was not with losing my breasts but my life. I did not want any surgery that did not work to prolong my life. My self-image is not that based on my looks anyway. I especially did not want anything that might require touch-ups in the future. "Keep it simple" was my approach.

    My surgeon is not used to patients like me and he did a skin-sparing mastectomy telling me that way I would have options in the future if I changed my mind.

    It is now almost a year later and I have zero desire for reconstruction. If anything, I wish I had considered having a bilateral at the time of the single mastectomy.

    I do have to admit that since I am NOT thin (have too much belly) the lack of both breasts if I were to go "flat" would probably highlight my abdominal excess. Undecided 

    I found out only when getting fitted for my prosthesis that I was a "C" cup -- had always been wearing a "B" bra! It took breast cancer for me to learn my actual cup size!

  • glasslyn
    glasslyn Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2007

    Hi. This is my first time on.  I am seeing a PS in less than a half hour.  Already had one mastectomy, will be having my second.  Debating reconstruction, but leaning more toward not doing it.  Had a pair of 32DD's.  It was weird being lopsided, although prostetics take care of that nicely.  Some part of me is actually relieved to have the opportunity to be even again, although "even" will mean being flat.  I know a lot of people have had great results with reconstruction, but like many of you, I fear the added complications that come with reconstruction.  Sure, it would be nice to look good in clothes, but I have a couple of friends that are eager to help me with dressing "flat".  Mostly, I'm tired of having to make so many huge decisions as a result of this disease.

    Unless this PS can guarantee me fabulous results with no issues (which is probably not going to happen), I think I'll be basing my decision on health and not appearances.  Thanks to all you ladies who wrote of their experiences, you have helped me immensely.  Doctors are our saviors, but they rarely have the actual first-hand experience of their treatments.  Reading your accounts has given me the strength and conviction to listen to my own voice.

  • pearl49
    pearl49 Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2007

    i had a lumpectomy and it's left a huge dent in on the top of breast it's about the size of an egg.  I feel foolish writing this because in the other posts you've all had mastectomies.  I will never get to wear a a bathing suit unless it covers my dent or a nice low peasant style blouse again.  I don't know if they even do ps for a lumpectomy but I know I'm not comfortable having ps work done before radiation the thought of anything fake in my body being radiated scares me.  But I really wonder down the road when life starts feeling normal if I will want it or if they will give it to me, up here in Canada it's covered under our provincial healthcare program. I just don't know, but last night before I fell asleep, I realized that the way I dress in summer will have to be different and I'm not sure how I will feel about that later on, isn't vanity a pain. 

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited December 2007

    Please do not feel foolish for posting your concerns.  That is why we are here!  Give yourself time.  Since you are having radiation wait and see how it looks after that. 

    I know its not the same but I had a right side mast a year and a half ago.  That was followed by radiation.  Anyway, except for the bathing suit I really have not needed to change what I wear.  I still wear low cut stuff.  I use fashion tape and then if I bend down no one can see anything but the clothes are still low cut.

    All that being said, I think there are partial prosthetics that can be added into a bra.  Maybe someone else knows for sure....Barbara, perhaps?  Or others on this site?  You could also go to a mastectomy fitter-they have lots of solutions for things that we have never thought of.

    Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I can understand your concerns. 

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited December 2007

    glasslyn,

    Welcome to these boards. I agree--the support and information provided here is priceless. As I write this, I'm awaiting a visit from my mother-in-law, who was diagnosed with bc fifty years ago and had bilateral mastectomies. She's still a beautiful woman and a flamboyant dresser--even with lymphedema, she's never let being flat hold her down.

    I find one liberating aspect of being flat is that I can chose my size--A, B, C, or nothing at all. Today, waiting for my m-i-l to arrive, I'm wearing a tight fitted t-shirt with my size A silicone prostheses in a Maidenform bralette (my prostheses have microfiber backs, so are comfy in a regular bra). I feel as sexy as ever (honest!). I hope my m-i-l likes the look. My DH does!

    Good luck with your decision. I hope your visit with the PS goes well. One thought--you might consider delayed reconstruction, i.e. try bilateral non-recon and see how you like it. I know it would mean a second surgery if you changed your mind later, but at least you wouldn't wonder what being flat would be like.

    Pearl,

    There are partial prostheses available. Many online breast form sites show them, and fitters would know about them. If you go to http://www.parkmastectomy.com and then search under "Breast Forms by Type," then click on "Breast Form Lumpectomy," you'll find a number of partial prostheses.

    You shouldn't have to feel self-conscious about your breast. I'm vain, too, and even though I chose non-recon, I still care about looking good in clothes and bathing suits.

    Barbara

    BreastFree.org 

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited December 2007

    Glasslyn,

    Welcome to the board. Sorry to hear you are facing more surgery. Let us know how your appointment went. I had a unilateral mast but figure it is just a matter of time before something shows up in the other breast. First diagnosed at 36, recurrence in the same breast at 42, now almost 44. What are the chances in the next 40-50 years my remaining breast will be unaffected?

    Like you, I am a hard to fit 32DD and often think life would be easier had I had a bilateral. As Barbara says, when you have a bilateral you can pick your size. A perky B-cup would be nice! Also, I'm sure your choices of clothes will be much broader when you are a bilateral because there won't be the mismatch at the upper part of your breast. You should be able to use Carol's fashion tape trick and wear lower cut tops. I know for me, I can't wear anything that shows below my collar bone.

    Surgery is always scary and losing your remaining breast must be very difficult. We will be here to support you.

    Hugs, Susan 

  • lisa54
    lisa54 Member Posts: 7
    edited December 2007

    I had a simple mastectomy of the right breast. No reconstruction in site for the future, as yet, but I do feel frustrated because I have not chosen a prosthesis. I am a nurse and I have heard many women say that a prosthesis is "too heavy". It depresses me to look at my flat skin where my breast used to be. I hate to take a shower, and have not had the courage to seek a prosthesis. So, I have been using a water balloon! The only thing is that when I bend over sometimes it falls out and I am so depressed. What kind of prosthesis is best?  I have been told so many different things.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited December 2007

    lisa54,

    There are many, many options that are much better than a water balloon, either lightweight, inexpensive non-silicone breast forms or silicone forms. Nowadays, silicone forms are much lighter than in the past. There are also silicone forms available with special backs that keep you cool. Amoena makes one such form (climate control) and Airway makes another (Tritex). The key is to find a good fitter and also to find a comfortable bra. It does takes some trial and error to find what works best for you, but if you read through the posts on this board, you'll find that many women have come up with good solutions. And insurance usually pays for a silicone breast form once every year or two.

    You might want to check out my non-profit website, BreastFree.org. There are sections on "Breast Forms" (prostheses) and "Bras and Camisoles," also photographs and personal stories told by women who chose not to have reconstruction. Many of the contributors are women I met here at breastcancer.org. 

    I would be depressed too if the only solution I'd tried was a water balloon, which of course doesn't resemble a real breast. You really can feel good and look good in clothes if you find the right breast form. Don't give up.

    Barbara

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