Laura Bush
I was watching Greta tonight (Fox News). She will be interviewing Mrs. Bush. From what I gathered she has gone to the Middle East to talk to women with breast cancer. She's been a supporter for years, before Susan Komen Foundation became big. Her grandmother and mother are/were survivors of bc. Her grandmother did not die from bc. Anyway, she said something that I do often hear. We hear if breast cancer is caught early it is curable. Mrs. Bush said there is no cure for breast cancer, but if caught early one has a good prognosis. I appreciated her saying that. "Cure" being the word that we all want, and more than that we want to know how to prevent this disease. Part of her interview will be on tomorrow night on Greta at 10 PM ET if you are interested.
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I'm not predisposed to like Laura Bush, but I saw her on television (on the internet) and I was really impressed (it might have been a Fox television interview).
I found her very well-spoken, clear and powerful. She addressed the way she's been portrayed in the media, as well as breast cancer trip, in an elegant and grounded way. She also talked quite passionately about Burma.
I'm Canadian and don't follow the US news coverage that much, so perhaps this is old news to most of you. But I found it a very pleasant surprise. Something about her inspired me. -
Laura Bush has class and dignity. I've always liked her.
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I agree Always...Laura Bush does have class and is very dignified as well as being well spoken...I will definately watch! I do like Laura Bush!
And Shirley, I like the comment on cure/good prognosis. Cancer is considered a chronic disease, there is no cure.
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Just to change the subject ever so slightly!
2 of you mentioned Laura Bush as being 'well spoken'
Over here in UK if we don't have a regional accent we are considered 'well spoken'....sort of 'posh'!!!! Is this what you are saying ??
I do recognise a lot of your different accents, but do you have a 'posh' American accent as well???? Just interested
Isabella.
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I think over here 'well spoken' means they can speak knowledgeably and intelligently on a subject. It has nothing to do with dialect.
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Speaking for myself as an American, I don't think we consider having an accent a liability or a handicap when speaking. When we say a person is well-spoken it means they speak clearly and concisely ,clearly relating their thoughts in an intelligent manner. That is what I mean when I saw someone is well-spoken. No matter the accent. Mrs. Bush does speak with a Southern accent in my ears but she is very well-spoken. Benita
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One of the panelists on Bill Maher compared Laura Bush's trip to the middle east to talk about breast cancer to if Mary Todd Lincoln had gone down to the south to talk to the slaves about sickle cell. In many of the middle eastern countries women aren't even considered people, but property of their husband, they have to walk behind him, wearing burkas in the desert sun and can be stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage. While I'm all for breast cancer education, it would have been more helpful if she made female oppression her mission. The panelists also noted that many women like wearing the burkas and don't have an issue with their place in society-- but the point was that they should have choices. Not all the countries have equal inequities, some are quite progressive, but in some countries a woman can't show her breast to a man, including a male doctor and there aren't many if any women doctors. I don't think Laura is a dumb woman (she married down
) so I have to wonder if this was more about PR. I think if it was about educating middle eastern women (and men), she would have brought along middle eastern survivors and/or oncologists and have been more culturally sensitive to the topic. -
Amy, all I'm going to say about your post is I DISAGREE. One more thing, I haven't heard all of her interview yet. And, just one more thing, she said she's been involved with breast cancer for many, many years. I think she's trying to do a good thing by going to the Middle East. She recognizes the how women are treated over there and how men leave their wives because they have bc. She knows the subject of this disease is taboo in many countries of the ME. Bill Maher is in no way one of my fans.
And, Mrs. Bush does not always agree with her husband. And, I think it's unfair of you to think that Mrs. Bush with a few other people can educate this kind of cultural difference. It will take longer than just a few days. I don't know why you think it was for PR. As far as I know she'll NEVER be running for president.I can tell we have different political views. I lied. I said I was only going to say ONE THING.
Shirley
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Talking is always a good start,I am no Bush fan, I am glad one first lady is running for president ,I am glad a woman is running for president,but I applaud Mrs. Bush for her efforts. These women are just like you and I but with different circumstances. They too need education to maybe save their own lives as I saved my own life here in a developed country. Agree or disagree with her politics , I agree with here sentiment. WE as women should ban together for all our sisters and educate them all about self examination and what to look for on our own bodies. Our self knowledge is our first defense.
Love ya both (Rosie,Sen.Clinton and Mrs.Bush) all strong women,let's not lose sight of that.
Benita
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Benita, that is the cutest avatar I have ever seen!
I really liked what Laura Bush had to say.
She brought up a lot of interesting points and I think her effort will save a lot of women's lives.
She made a point of saying that the women she met with choose to wear those robes and coverings. It is part of their culture. The women she met with were not the burkah wearing women of Afghanistan who under Taliban rule would be murdered for showing their skin or a glimpse of their hair.
There are so many vast differences in cultures. These women do not speak openly about breasts nor is it something a doctor will bring up. So they present with symptoms at a much later stage than an American woman would where we do not have such taboos on our bodies and stifled diaglog with our doctors.
She made a comment that I felt was very moving. She said that subconsciously she always felt that these women were closing themselves off to her by covering themselves. And she had mentioned it to one of the women she met with. And the woman responded to her by saying, "I may be covered but inside I am transparent"
We are all the same. Some of us come from open societies and some from more rigid ones. But WE especially share a bond of this disease with these women.
Mrs. Bush went there to make sure that Arab women got screened earlier for breast cancer because they get breast cancer at a younger age and it is more aggressive. She has raised awareness and helped make a difference.
She wasn't sent to change the way men subjugate women in the Islamic world. And she could not change that if she tried.
BUT- what she did may save quite a few lives and save quite a few women from an early, painful death.This is no time for partisan politics for heaven's sake.
Can't someone do something good and get a little credit? She isn't her husband or his administration. She is a woman who tried to help other women. That's all.
I admire her for it.
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She's a "class" act.
Gina, you gave much more detail than I. I will watch her tonight.
I'm sorry. I'm the person who brought up the "politics" word.
I suppose I was getting a "little" defensive because of the comments made about her by this other public figure. My bad!Shirley
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Amy...does it not occur to you that perhaps this trip by Laura Bush just may in some slight offbeat way change the position of middle eastern women ever so slightly by bringing the issue to the forefront? Sometimes it takes baby steps.
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I think I was the first person here to say "well spoken" - I wasn't referring to accent but to the fact that she was very articulate.
I see your point, Amy. She did agree that there were "ulterior motives" in the sense that her trip was supposed to be part of that "soft power" thing.
On the other hand, I can't help feeling that her trip probably made a difference. Also, I think if you go to support women in those countries, you've got to go with an open mind - you can't really go in and start berating and lecturing the women there as to what they should do. I thought she had a lot of grace in the way she handled it. She said that the women she met - doctors, scientists, survivors - were very determined to change things in their own societies (regarding breast cancer). Maybe I'm naive, but she seemed sincere to me. -
ok my two cents on this subject........of course we are talking about this here in a open forum but I think one mistake that President Bush made about Iraq is he thought the people would want to be free......and they very well may but how do you understand something that you and for thousand of years your ancesters never have experienced.......how do you understand something that you have no concept of and I think this is how the women of the middle east feel about breast cancer........how do you get women to seek treatment from a male doctor when they can't even first show their hair in public..........for us here this is unconceivable but for women that have been raised in a atmosphere of having less worth then the livestock that they tend and they just soon die then to expose there bodies to a male doctor then how can any of us encourage them to seek treatment and if they did seek treatment what is available to them in the middle east??????? In countries like Iraq, Iran and Afganistan.........is there the proper medicine and hospitals or clinics that can help these women........I remember watching Tammy Faye on Larry King just before she past and talking about how she had ignored her symptoms for a year before seeking treatment because she was raised that the only man that was allowed to see your bottom was your husband.........think about it......and that is here in our own country.......just MO..........Shokk
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Hey Shokk, the First lady was in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emerates(sp?) promoting this. They are freer societies and more ready for change than places like Afghanistan is right now.
From what I have read about it from MD Anderson, it is a really good cause and is making a difference.
I hope so. The fewer women the Beast can take the better!
I love it when the Beast loses!!!!
Love,
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So Gina is there an issue for the women in the freer societies such as Saudi Aribia, Jordan and United Arab E????? I haven't been paying too much attention to world news lately but was glad to see Ms. Bush traveling to speak on breast cancer.........I do not believe she was over there for some "PR" reason have no idea what Amy meant by that......but I thought that the women of the more democratic societies have in a whole been pretty well taken care concerning their health care.........may be just naive of course she may be speaking in those countries so other women in neighboring countries will get the message...........but thanks for setting me straight.....of course that makes alot more sense...........Love Shokk... as Roseann Roseanna dana would say "never mind"
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Shokk, I'm very interested in how people in the middle east think and act. I'm always glad when I can talk to someone who is from those countries about their cultures and experiences and I ask tons of questions. Recently I was lucky enough to have my bone scan done by a saudi arabian technician who's been in this country for about 10 years. It was nice to get the perspective of a woman educated there who has had a taste of both cultures. Where her family lives is more liberal than many areas, and she chooses to wear a burka when she's there, as well as when worshipping here. In her area of the country things have gotten worse, not better for women since the US invaded Iraq and there are actually more restrictions. It is impossible to understand a culture that is so different than ours fully, but we can educate ourselves as much as possible and be sensitive to their wants.
I do believe that there was an element of PR involved in Laura's agenda in the countries she chose to go to. Did she bring with her muslim and/or arabian survivors and doctors who her audience might better be able to relate or did she come with her christian contingency? Did she bring any arabian men to talk to male leaders in these countries, who have the power to prevent or encourage women do check their breasts?
In subsaharan africa there are countries that only have a few mammogram machines and don't have the funds for the film to print the slides. Technicians are often forced to take 1 view (vs the 2 views taken in the US) so they can test twice as many women. There were some articles in TIME about this a few issues ago. Many of the women in these countries can't even read and write, wouldn't know how to use a computer and probably won't live a long life since so many are dying of aids. 60 minutes did a piece last season about life expectency of women and how teenage girls were raising their siblings due to aids deaths last season and it was shocking. But then again, these countries don't have oil so maybe that's why Laura chose to go to arabian countries.
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Amy I really am at a disadvantage about this subject because I have not read the transcripts of Ms. Bushes visit and speeches.....did she talk about Christianity????? But let me say this about the "oil issue"....Amy where do we get 65% of all of the oil that is used in the U.S.???? Canada.........then South America and Mexico and our own country.....only 3% of the oil used in the U.S. comes from the middle east and the main reason is it is just to costly to ship it here.......I can almost guarantee you that oil did not play into Ms. Bush speaking about bc in Saudi Arabia..........there may have been other agendas but really don't believe it had anything to do with oil........I really don't know who was with Ms. Bush or even if she was allowed to speak freely......is there anyway for us to know??? But I do believe that she was sincere in her efforts to bring to light an extremely difficult topic for that part of the world.......but thanks for your input.......Shokk
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I know that Robin Roberts from GMA went with her and she interviewed several women doctors and survivors about their treatment options in their respective countries. Her interviews were seen on GMA last week.
Sheila
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Here Amy,
I think this transcript answers all the questions you asked.
MRS. BUSH: Thank you very much, Minister. Thanks to each of you today for joining us. I especially want to thank Your Royal Highness. Thank you very much. Your joining us here is very important to me, and I appreciate it very much.
Thank you for your great humanitarian work as President of the Saudi Cancer Society and the Saudi Red Crescent Society; and now through your attention to women's health. Thank you so much.
I'd like to also acknowledge Dr. Abdullah Al Amro, Director of the Board of the Saudi Cancer Society, CEO of the King Fahd Medical Center Riyadh. Dr. Kendra Woods -- Kendra, thank you so much for what you just said. It was a very, very lovely speech, and you said in many ways what I also want to say, which is how important this collaboration is between our two countries, our two medical research teams, to see what we can discover together that can help both of our countries and the world.
Hala Moddelmog, the CEO of Susan G. Komen, thank you very much for joining us; Ambassador Brinker. Doctors, nurses, researchers, government officials, community leaders, survivors, distinguished guests -- thank you for the very warm welcome to Saudi Arabia.
I'm delighted to be in Riyadh today to talk about how we can work together to save women's lives -- by raising women's awareness of breast cancer.
Over the next quarter-century, an estimated 25 million women around the world will be diagnosed with breast cancer. Breast cancer does not respect national boundaries, which is why people from every country must share their knowledge, resources and experience to protect women from this disease.
Americans have a national experience with breast cancer advocacy and awareness. Twenty-five years ago in the United States, women were too embarrassed and too fearful to talk about breast cancer. Women didn't know to get regular mammograms or to do breast self-exams -- and so most breast cancer cases were diagnosed too late for successful treatment.
A lot has changed in 25 years. Today people do talk about breast cancer -- often, to tell stories of triumph. In 1982, my friend Nancy Brinker started the Susan G. Komen Foundation in honor of her sister Susan, who had died of breast cancer. Because of the Komen Foundation's work to raise women's awareness, everyone in the United States now knows what the pink ribbon stands for. Every year, in 114 cities around the world, more than a million runners join in the Race for the Cure.
Two former First Ladies of the United States -- Betty Ford, the wife of President Gerald Ford, and Nancy Reagan, the wife of President Ronald Reagan -- both made their bouts with breast cancer public. Their willingness to speak out gave American women the courage to discuss their own breast cancer. These First Ladies -- and the Susan G. Komen Foundation -- have helped to place breast cancer advocacy at the forefront of American life. Today in the United States, when breast cancer is caught early, the five-year survival rate is 98 percent.
As in the United States, people in the Middle East -- people like you -- are speaking up to save women's lives from the disease. The American people are proud to stand with you. We stand with women like Dr. Samia Alamoodi, who diagnosed her own advanced breast cancer last year. Dr. Alamoodi was the first Saudi to break the silence and share her personal experience with breast cancer. She's worked hard to increase women's awareness and improve medical care, even during her own treatment. Thank you so much.
Last year at the United States State Department, I helped launch the U.S.-Middle East Partnership for Breast Cancer Awareness and Research. This program joins medical communities in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates with the medical expertise of the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center. This partnership will benefit from the educational resources of Susan G. Komen for the Cure, and the strong commitment of the United States State Department.
Through the partnership, these institutions will initiate awareness campaigns and share discoveries and data that can lead to world-class research. The cure for breast cancer can come from a researcher in Washington or a young doctor in Riyadh. Wherever the cure is discovered, it will help women in the Middle East and the United States survive their bouts with breast cancer.
The seeds of this historic partnership were planted right here in Saudi Arabia. Two years ago, in Qassim, a representative from the U.S. State Department met with members of the King Abdul Aziz Women's Association. The association's Breast Cancer Awareness program had reached more than 1,200 women and raised enough money to purchase a mobile mammogram machine.
As they talked about the program's success, all of the women were struck by the similarities between the King Abdul Aziz community awareness campaign and breast cancer initiatives in the United States -- like the Komen Foundation's. The women began to plan for a real exchange of breast cancer resources and discoveries between the United States and the Middle East.
Today I'm delighted to launch the U.S.-Middle East Partnership for Breast Cancer Awareness and Research here in its birthplace: Saudi Arabia. Through this partnership, the Saudi Cancer Society will join with the Komen Foundation to conduct a comprehensive breast cancer education program. Saudi Arabia's medical expertise will be advanced through the collaboration between King Fahd Medical City and M.D. Anderson -- coordinated by Middle East Partnership Initiative, a project of the U.S. Department of State.
My visit in Saudi Arabia gives me a chance to highlight projects that will be supported by this partnership. I've just come from the Abdullatif Cancer Screening Center here in Riyadh, which is the very first breast cancer screening facility in Saudi Arabia. Tomorrow in Jeddah, I'll meet with Saudi survivors and hear about their decisions to speak openly about their disease. Tonight, I'll meet with His Majesty King Abdullah to talk about the partnership's work to overcome breast cancer. And in just a few days, the breast cancer partnership will come to the United States.
Through the International Visitors Leadership Program, 19 women from the Middle East will travel to the United States, where they'll share ideas with their American counterparts on ways to expand breast cancer research and promote early diagnosis. Two of these women, Fatima and Loulwah, are here today.
By confronting the challenge of breast cancer together, the U.S.-Middle East Partnership for Breast Cancer Awareness and Research will help build lasting friendships between Saudis and Americans. Most important, this partnership will give hope to women across the Middle East -- women like Fadia Altaweel. Fadia is a 36-year-old TV host on Saudi Channel 1 -- and a breast cancer survivor. In 2003, Fadia found an olive-sized lump in her breast. Although she knew something was wrong, she waited a month to seek medical advice because she didn't want to distract from her sister's wedding. After the wedding, Fadia went to the doctor. Her lump had grown to the size of an egg. Fadia had stage 3 breast cancer, which had spread to her lymph nodes.
She underwent a lumpectomy and then began a difficult 18-month course of chemotherapy at King Faisal Hospital here in Riyadh. At first, she resisted the treatment, concerned about its effect on her appearance. But her 15-year-old son Mohammed knew better. He reminded his mother that her family needed her, and he cheered her on in her first against breast cancer.
Fadia's mother and two sisters accompanied her to her treatments. And while Fadia's husband initially had a hard time dealing with her diagnosis, he eventually became one of her greatest sources of love and strength.
Fadia also relied on her friends, especially the support group of 10 Saudi women who were all dealing with their own breast cancer. The group's bonds remain strong today, even though six of these women have died of the disease.
Fadia's experience -- and the loss of her friends -- has inspired her to speak out. For the first time, she's telling her story to Saudi women in the hope that they will perform breast self-exams and seek regular cancer screenings.
Fadia still participates in breast cancer support groups, and makes sure other women learn about the importance of early diagnosis. She's here today.
Through the U.S.-Middle East Partnership for Breast Cancer Awareness and Research, women like Fadia can find the support and the treatment and the courage and the hope to live with breast cancer. Women can benefit from the Komen Foundation's message: that regular mammograms and self-exams lead to early detection, which is the closest thing we have to a cure.
Thank you for supporting these women and for inspiring all of us through your commitment to saving women's lives.
Thank you all very much. -
Gina thank you so much for posting the transcript........not sure why but I have tears in my eyes........Shokk
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Yes, Gina, thank you.
Me to, Shokk.
I don't understand one being skeptical about why Mrs. Bush went to the ME to speak about bc. If you know her history about this disease you may be able to understand. And, no matter what you think about her husband this lady in no way has ever, IMHO, tried to outshine anyone. She's been one of the most elegant first ladies. She has never been one who liked being in the public.
Shirley
Shirley
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I saw that Bill Maher episode -- it was Andrew Sullivan who said that and i strongly disagree. Women are dying of breast cancer in large numbers in Saudi Arabia because of the culture of shame -- shame of women's bodies and shame of the disease. And if some of these women stand up and say "I have breast cancer and I am not ashamed, and i will not willingly die from this disease" or "I am a woman who is not ashamed of my body and i will get a mammogram," maybe it will be the start of something larger. Woman fighting for their bodies, their lives.
I am normally no fan of Laura Bush but she was right with this one. And Andrew Sullivan should know better, as a gay man with HIV he should know the importance of a political movement fighting a disease. -
If Laura Bush had gone to Saudi Arabia to speak out about how to "free oppressed women", she would have been escorted out of the country. Talking about breast cancer was a way to help women in that country that by the very nature of their culture are ashamed or banished from getting treatment. It was good will for a First Lady who has been a strong advocate for breast cancer awareness for many years, Something I wish our last first lady would have addressed more. I am thankful I live in a country where I can get treatment and not be ashamed of the disease.
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OIL? You have got to be kidding me! It just keeps getting better and better.
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Shokk, I actually thought we got a good percentage of our oil from Venezuela also.
Thanks for the info nosurrender.
Member, I had no idea Andrew Sullivan had aids. I think his point was, which I had shared among friends before he said it, is that with all the issues women in these countries have breast cancer isn't first on the list. I agree that hopefully some day those women will be able to say what you're saying about their bodies, just not that disease is the way to go about it.
Shirley I've never liked Laura Bush and it has nothing to do with disliking her husband. I liked Pat Nixon (even though I was young during Nixon's presidency), Nancy Reagan (before I found out about the psychics) and Betty Ford and didn't dislike Barbara Bush. I liked the First Ladies like Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton (but she's not my choice for democratic presidential candidate). I have a hard time understanding when women say she has "class" because to me it sounds like she's "knows her place". That might not be what folks mean, it's just not a term I use to describe women.
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Amy
When I refer to a person as having 'class' it has nothing to do with their socioeconomic status. For me, 'class' is about their character and how they treat other people. Are they kind? respectful? caring? integrity?
For me, a person who lives in a poor neighborhood can still have 'class.' Its all about how you conduct yourself and the principles you live by.
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WOW...
How do we as women allow our selves to go down this slippery road? This is not about our own male dominated society(which it is too) democrats -vs- republicans,it is about sisters,no matter what race,creed color or religion or region helping one another. Each one teach one. Let us not separate each other over party affiliation ,let us always ban together against this MONSTER called breast cancer. I again applaud Mrs. Bush for her efforts ,if she helped 1 woman survive this terrible affliction she succeeded ,Don't we all agree with that? If 1 woman heard her and was enlightened then we all win. If we want our daughters to finally have a cure not just treatment we must not fight each other but this dastardly condition called cancer. Everyone has the right to his or her own opinion but ladies who cares left,right, dem.or rep. lets just try to touch and educate all we can anyway we can to save lives. That is just my humble opinion. Benita
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Amen, Benita. I also know a whole lot of women that are dirt poor that have way more "class" than those that have money. Has nothing to do with status and all to do with behavior.
Bugs
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Ok little Miss Amy........(I'm pointing my index finger at you) which by the way is lacking in class..... by your response to me about also getting oil from Venezuela it sounds like you knowwwwww exactly were we get our oil from and you are pulling one of those hot point topics and throwing it into the discussion to confuse us and to get us off what the discussion is really about (oh excuse me the knowledge exchange)so there..........watching you girl........Shokk
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