Question on BRACA1 Gene???
My sister who (had) stage 4 ovarian cancer going on 4 years ago and is doing fabulous, became concerned when I received word that I now have breast cancer and got the BRACA1 blood test. She just found out today she is negative. Does that mean I am too as her sister??? We have the same mother and father. Our mom died this past April from lung cancer, but had breast cancer 5 yrs. ago at the age of 69.
Just wondered if I will still need to get the blood test??
Thank you for any comments.
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl,
I just came today from my genetic counseling appointment and she explained to me that even if I test positive, that means my sister and my daughters only have a 50% chance of also having the mutation. The gene mutation comes from one parent so it isn't automatic that all children will get it passed on. Does that make sense? Are you having the test done? I decided to have it done when she explained that having the mutation puts you at a much higher risk for ovarian cancer as well as breast cancer. Donna
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Donna,
Thank you for your reply. Wow! I thought that if I tested negative for sure my daughter would be negative. So you are saying that would not be true....only a 50% chance she would be?
Since my mom and sister have each had lung, breast and ovarian cancer, I am going to ask to have the test. My sister just got word today that she tested negative. I was so happy for her. I am praying that I will be too since I am already a triple neg and grade 3. I don't need to be BRACA1+ as well. I have enough to fight for as is.
I don't know where you are in treatment or anything, but wishing you the best on this journey.
I meet with my oncologist next week to determine my course of treatment.
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl,
I am brca+. My little sis who had bc 9 yrs ago got tested after my bc dx and she too is +. My older sister who had uterine and cervical cancer 2 yrs ago is negative. My other sister has yet to be tested.
We all have the same mom and dad.
I have 9 neices 18 or younger. So far, 3 have been tested. 2 positive, one negative. The negative one, 16 yrs old, has already had a scare with something on her ovaries. Thank God, it was not cancer.
Honestly, I don't think any of this matters really. I believe cancer is a part of our make up as a human being. (A doctor (onc) told me that when I was on a plane going to see my little sis after her dx.) Whether or not it rears it's ugly head is a crap shoot.
I wish you the best of luck and, I'm so sorry to hear about your mom.
Sincerely,
Traci
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Cheryl,
My understanding is that if you are positive, your children have a 50% chance of the mutation. If you are negative, the children can't get it from you (they could get it from their father). But, even if your sister is negative, you could still be positive if one of your parents are positive. It gets confusing! Have you been referred to genetic counseling? It sure helped clear it up for me and help me decide to have the testing done. The closest relatives that had bc were an aunt and grandmother on my father's side but the counselor said there was still a possibility, since it would most likely have passesd through my father without causing any trouble for him. I also have 2 second cousins on my mother's side who both had bc in their 40's (they are sisters) and the mutation could even come from them. So now I will be waiting (we are always waiting on something it seems!) for my results. Donna
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Cheryl,
My understanding is the same as Donna's.
The BC gene is a gene that we inherit from either our mother or our father. For each child in a family, it's a 50/50 toss-up on which parent they inherit this particular gene from; some will get the father's gene, some will get the mother's gene. So if one of your parents - either your mother or your father - carries the BRCA genetic mutation, you and all your siblings each have a 50% chance of inheriting it. That means that one of you can test positive but another can test negative.
If your family carries the gene but you test negative, it means that you inherited from the other parent, the one who doesn't have the genetic mutation. In that case, there is no way that you can pass the gene on to your children. On the other hand, if you test positive, it means that there is a 50% chance that your daughter inherited the gene from you. But there is also a 50% chance that she inherited this gene from her father, who hopefully doesn't carry the genetic mutation.
The only situation in which someone is guaranteed to carry the BRCA mutation is if, by unfortunate coincidence, both parents happen to carry the genetic mutation. On the other hand, if neither parent carries the mutation, then their children are sure not to carry it.
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Thank you for all of the information. It looks like I will need to get the test then. I will talk to my oncologist about it at our next appt. So, if I test negative then my daughter is definitely negative too then? This is the way I am understanding it, right?
Thanks again.
Cheryl
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Yes, if you test negative, then your daughter is definitely negative, unless by some really unfortunate fluke, her father happens to carry the gene. But if there is no significant history of breast cancer, ovarian cancer or prostate cancer in his side of the family, then your daughter doesn't have to worry, if you test negative.
Here's hoping for a negative test! Mine was, and it was a real relief!
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Cherlilly I urge you to make an appointment with a certified genetics counselor. Go to http://www.nsgc.org/ to find one in your area. Use "cancer" as the specialty. They are MUCH more qualified to give you all the most accurate and up to date information on BRCA.
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Hi there...I am 32 and have had breast cancer twice. Once in each breast I had a bilateral mastectomy and just found out that I am brca1 positive. I will opt to have my hysterectomy when the holidays are over and I am done healing from my other surgery.
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Cheryl,
My grandmother and mother were positive, I am positive but my sister is negative. It's that 50/50 chance. She got dad's gene. She will not pass it on to her boys. I might have passed it on to my girls. They now have a 50/50 chance. Hopefully they have received their dad's gene. They have not been tested yet. It's interesting that you mother passed from lung cancer. My mother although she had the gene never got breast cancer but did die from lung cancer at age 68.
Sharon
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I was going to have this gene testing performed but my doctor informed me that if it was positive then the insurance companies could consider my condition as pre-existing. Did anyone have problems with insurance after a positive gene test?
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Beesie--Just to further explain your comment: her daughter could definitely get this from her father's side and there could be no significant history, especially if he is an only child or there aren't many women on that side. It wouldn't be that fluky to get this from the father's side.
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Dink,
I see that you put under signature as no diagnosis - I checked your profile and see that you have DCIS - that is cancer and the diagnosis trumps the "pre-existing condition card". You already have it (cancer) so you could get the test done to confirm if you had the gene and if positive, any proactive treatment that you would need to consider. I was told this by my genetic counselor at my oncologist's office when I was informed of the test. I hope that you get the answers that you are looking for.
Take Care,
Trish
ps. - I have so far decided not to get the test (never say never though)
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so once you have a cancer is there any downside to having this test? i gave the blood sample last week, not really thinking about ramifications...particularly insurance wise. i was more interested in me then watching for other areas where i might be more at risk. could say uterine cancer be considered a pre-existing condition later if am diagnosed with that two years from now after knowing i have the BC gene?
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Myriad Genetics (which is the only company that runs this test) states on their website that the result is only released to you and your doctor. No one else is supposed to be able to know this information. There are federal laws regarding insurance discrimination based on genetic issues. Testing positive for BRCA 1 or 2, particularly if you don't have cancer already, isn't a preexisting condition. Not everyone who tests positive gets cancer. And right now, uterine cancer is not known to be related to breast cancer genetically speaking.
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Some of the concerns (as I understand them) include if laws were changed. Laws may vary from state to state. If your insurance company pays for the test, then I am not sure but they may be allowed access to that information. I have heard that some people pay for the test, and *if* they test positive, try to get reimbursed by insurance.
I thought one woman here posted that you can be discriminated against if you are covered by the military. I would not be surprised if this is true since they have so many laws that are different from civilians.
Do go to a board certified genetics counselor. They will have the latest. They should not pressure you for or against testing. -
msannie,
Yes, I understand that it's equally possible to inherit the BRCA genetic mutation from either one's mother or one's father. I was saying only that it would be a fluke if both sides of one's family happened to have the mutation. That's been known to happen, but it's not too common. In fact, in my case, when I went for testing, while there was BC on my mother's side (my aunt, premenopausally and my mom much later in life), it was actually my father's side of the family that was more concerning, because of several cases of prostate cancer among the men, and fewer than one woman per generation over more than 100 years. Fortunately, I tested negative.
dink,
I agree with Trish's comment. Since you already have breast cancer, any information you get from the genetic test shouldn't have any effect on insurance. From an insurance standpoint, you already have to deal with the fact that you have breast cancer.
twogirls,
Uterine cancer isn't related to the BRCA mutations, but ovarian cancer is. So if you test positive, that would be important information in understanding your risk for ovarian cancer. But, having a positive BRCA test wouldn't be the same as having a pre-existing condition or even having a pre-cancerous condition. Even if you tested positive, unless you've been found to have ovarian cancer, you would not have a pre-existing condition. And unless you have a biopsy that shows pre-cancerous cells, you wouldn't have a pre-cancerous condition. You simply would be considered "high risk" to get ovarian cancer at some time during your lifetime. But even being high risk, you might be one who never gets ovarian cancer. And, if you test negative, you have the comfort of knowing that you're risk for ovarian cancer is equal to that of the average population.
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Dear Cheryl,
I second what Bisous said, please see a board-certified genetic counselor. If you have trouble finding one through the National Society of Genetic Counselors (at: http://www.nsgc.org/resourcelink.cfm ) feel free to e-mail me at:
sueanddan@att.net and I'd be happy to try to help you locate one in your area. They can tell you most conclusively whether or not you would benefit from genetic testing.
By the way, if you test negative then (unless there is also significant cancer on your husband's side of the family) your daughter would also test negative but that doesn't mean she isn't at high risk. But it's complex. Please see a genetic expert.
Warmest regards,
Sue
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I don't know much about the BRCA gene. My mother never had bc but I have a sister with a different father that has had it. I also have 2 daughters but if I test positive and they also test positive we live our lives waiting? My Dr. wants me to have the testing and I'm just not sure.
Dawn
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Dawn,
Please read my note above to Cheryl! I think it's critical that you speak with a genetics expert called a genetic counselor. Unfortunately most oncologists are not genetics experts and it is unfortunate that he is urging you to test without a full genetics counseling session first to help you understand this better.
I would be happy to talk with you further about this or to help you locate a genetics expert. I will make a huge difference and I guarantee you after you see a genetic counselor you will understand this topic alot. E-mail me at:
warmest regards,
Sue
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I have a questions. Ms. Toronto, if your genetic testing is possible then there may a possible risk of ovarian cancer. I have had a hysterectomy but I still have my ovaries. How would they test for overian cancer after a hysterectomy? I'm 44 years old so I'm not sure if I have gone through the change or not - no menapausal signs and symptoms. I put not cancer on the DCIS on my profile because the doctor's told my husband and myself that DCIS is a precursor only to cancer and is not actual cancer. Everything I have read says DCIS is cancer but my husband doesn't think so because of what the doctor's have said. I'm confused. Isn't cancer like being pregnant in what ever form it is - it is.
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dink, DCIS is carcinoma (that's the "C"), so there are cells that are dividing and, left unchecked, could become invasive and enter your lymphatic system and bloodstream. So DCIS has one of the three attributes of cancer, and as your doc says is "pre-"cancer. On the other hand, your dx appears to be bc stage 0 (although your profile says stage I)... so you have breast cancer. Confusing, eh?
On your other question, testing that I have had for ovarian cancer (ultrasound) was not dependent on my uterus.
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Thanks, I thought so but by the way the doctors are talking "it's nothing to worry about." Never had ultrasound for this and I don't think they will do one out of curiosity. So like everything else - we will wait and see.
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Dink,
MtnMama is correct on the dcis (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ). When dcis is confined to the ducts (non-invasive) you would be stage 0. It is when the dcis breaks through the duct's membrane and becomes invasive (IDC) that you become stage 1. You may want to go over your pathology report and speak to your doctor as to why you are dx'd as stage 1.
Take Care
Trish
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I am the third of 4 sis to have bc. The first sis passed away at 33.( My daughter and I went to a genetics counsellor to see if we could be ( prior to my dx,,,2nd sis refused have genetic testing,,,,were told that they wanted a bc survivor so we couldn't get it done.)
After I was dx'ed the other sis did have the testing done...she tested positive for the brca 1 gene. After all her daughters, my daughter and the deceased sis' daughters have been tested and all have the gene. This has allowed everyone to become proactive in their preventative measures.
I think it is a good thing to have genetic testing done.
I had an oopheroctomy and hysterectomy in Sept. and am glad I chose to have a bilateral mastectomy when I was dx'ed with IDC. My daughter had an oophm hyster and cervix removed in November, my twin nieces (29 years old) had prophylactic bilateral mastectomies, their sis will have hers in January and the deceased sis' twins are having their consult in the near future.
I was aware of the 50% chance but we are definitely batting 100%!!!
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No doctor has suggested BRCA testing for me, I guess because I don't have a family history. But I don't really have a family to have a history. I have no female relatives beyond my mother and grandmothers - no sisters, aunts, or cousins. Does this mean that I definitely would not have the gene? My mother has had some cysts removed, but as far as I know, that's about it. I have had ALH and LCIS, along with extremely dense breasts. My gut feeling is that it doesn't really matter since I'm already considered high risk. Knowing whether I carry the mutation would not change what already is.
Anne
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Peaches----I have family history of bc and colon ca (MGGM had bc, MGM had colon ca, mom has had both bc and colon ca, and me with LCIS) and my oncologist still feels that I am low risk for the BRCA gene. I spoke with a genetic counselor (not formally, but after a seminar on bc and genetics at work) and she also felt I'm probably at low risk for the gene. The red flags for the BRCA genes are:
1) several primary relatives with bc, especially premenopausal (primary being mother, sister, or daughter)
2) family history of ovarian cancer
3) family history of male bc
4) Ashkenazi Jewish heritage
So if you don't have any of these factors, your risk for the gene is probably very low as well (my mom is my only primary relative with the bc, and she wasn't premenopausal). I haven't totally ruled out having the testing (would go for the genetic counseling first and then decide based on their opinions, which perhaps is what you could look into), but I'm not rushing to do it. Even with our high risk with LCIS, the risk is even greater with a positive BRCA gene finding. Since I've already lost the ovaries, take tamox and am very closely monitored, the only other step for me with a positive finding is BPMs; but it would give my sisters, daughter and nieces information that could be important for them.
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Hi Peaches. I know you've really been through the works this year.
These are the US Preventative Services Task Force Recommendations for family histories that warrant consideration of testing for BRCA1 and BRCA 2. (From Annals of Internal Medicine, 2005: 143: 355.)
Ashkenazi Jewish Women:
a. Any first degree relative with breast or ovarian cancer.
b. Two second degree relatives on the same side of the family with breast or ovarian cancer.
Non Ashkenazi Women:
a. Two first degree relatives with breast cancer (including one diagnosed
b. Three or more first or 2nd degree relatives with breast cancer.
c. Both breast cancer and ovarian cancer among first and 2nd degree relatives.
d. First degree relative with bilateral breast cancer.
e. Two or more first or 2nd degree relatives with ovarian cancer.
f. A male relative with breast cancer.
An article opines that a recent meta-analysis showed women who test positive for the BRCA1 mutation have a 57% of developing
breast cancer and a 40% risk of developing ovarian cancer before age 70.
Those that test positive for BRCA2 have a 49% risk of developing breast cancer and an 18% risk of developing ovarian cancer.
It says that clinically important BRCA mutations have been found in about 2% of Ashkenazi Jewish women, and are estimated to occur in about 1 in 300 to 500 women in the general non-Jewish US population.
I have a weak family history with postmenopausal bc in grandmother on one side and aunt on the other side. The genetics counselor said my risk of having a BRCA mutation was probably about 2%, about the same as the average Ashkenazi Jewish woman. I think the reason I was referred was because on one side my grandmother (who had bc) had only sons, so it would be masked if there was bc in that generation.
This article opines that *in general* women with no family history of bc or ovarian cancer should not be tested.
It also points out that the onset of cancer in BRCA mutation carriers occurs at an earlier age than in the general population.
I read on these boards one woman who had NO family history of breast cancer and DID test positive for a BRCA mutation. So it is possible to have a BRCA mutation with no family history. Its just very unlikely.
Thinking of you.
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