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I just love this recent attention to older-women-who-date-younger-men, aka 'cougars'! And did you know that, in order for one to be characterized as such, she needs to date men at least 8 years younger? As a...ahem...'seasoned' woman who likes 'em young-ish, I'm intrigued. Here's an article from more.com discussing the phenomenon....and providing links to websites for cougars and 'cougees.' Oh, this IS fun!

Cougars: Older Women Who Seek Out Younger Men

By Sherry Amatenstein, MSW Why are so many women over 40 dating younger men? Our relationship expert identifies the midlife "cougar" in her natural habitat.

Cougar [koo-ger] - 1. Puma or mountain lion known as a stalk-and-ambush predator. 2. Older woman who only dates men at least eight years her junior.

Cougee [koo-gee] - "Older women are a turn-on." -- John, 35-year-old male

Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson. A 2003 survey conducted by the National Association of Retired Persons revealed that one-third of single women between 40 and 60 are dating younger men.

Brenda Dos Santos laughs, "I'm the poster child for the 'Urban Cougar' trend. I'm 46 and only date boys in their 20s and 30s...I love all the attention I get from them. They try harder and are not cynical or spoiled by bad past relationships." Like many women who consciously seek out younger men, the San Francisco publicist is a refugee from an early bad marriage. The divorced mother of two finds men her age "kinda tired. They can't keep up with me." These days Brenda is content to "just have fun sampling all types of hot young men."

Susan Coss explains her own predilection for young men: "They provide more creative excitement: Like me they have diverse interests in theater, music, and film, and look beyond what's on the New York Times best seller list." Equally appealing for the never-married 41-year-old San Francisco account executive: "Guys in this age group seem less obsessed with their careers and the roles men are supposed to play in a relationship. An older guy can be more of a child than a young one." Translation: An ex close to her age lost this lady because he placed his needs well above hers. For the past year, Susan has been happily dating a 30-year-old. She echoes Urban Cougar Brenda, "We have fun."

Women like Susan and Brenda no longer worry about society viewing them as "cradle robbers" for snatching up younger men in an era when online dating sites like gocougar.com and thecougarconnection.com are geared exclusively toward facilitating these intergenerational hook-ups. As syndicated sex advice columnist Dan Savage wrote in his blog on chemistry.com, "Older women/younger man couples have always existed but used to be barely tolerated and rarely acknowledged. People today are less threatened by difference and more open to discussing what makes people happy."

Meet Today's "Younger Man"

If The Graduate were to be updated, the Dustin Hoffman character would be less pounced-upon and more of an equal-opportunity pouncer: A poll conducted by the online dating service mate1.com found that 65 percent of men in their 20s actively seek out women who are older by five years or more. Why the preference for a seasoned mate? As one poll respondent explained, "An older woman has seen it all, compared to a twenty-something."

Thirty-five-year-old John Garber, who dates women 10 to 15 years his senior, elaborates: "Older women are sassy, bold, cerebral, know how to express themselves, know what they like, are good conversationalists, and are incredibly delicious lovers." According to the New York banker, "These things are a turn on."

Speaking of turn-ons, those women afraid of showing their cellulite to a years-younger hardbody should heed the words of Dan DeMartino, a 28-year-old Arizona entrepreneur: "Sure, younger women have better bodies, but older ones are better lovers because of experience. Oddly, they usually have more energy as well." Dan concludes, "The brain is the most important sex organ, and as long as I connect with a partner, the sex is good to great."

Pros and Cons

Some people find the term "cougar" offensive, while what others consider derogatory is not the word but rather the idea that older women "go after" younger men. Valerie Gibson, author of Cougar: A Guide for Older Women Dating Younger Men, has said, "I don't see these condemnations as valid. I see them as only aimed at women -- putting down older women and trying to control them."

Could a May-December pairing be in your future? "If you're uncomfortable with the idea there is no sense pushing it, but having similar principles and moral values are more important than a difference in years," says Sally Burns, the co-host of The Cave Report, a radio show on XM and Sirius. She laughs, "Things can get dicey if one person hears 'Moonwalk' and thinks Michael Jackson and the other thinks of, well, the moon."

Virginia-based psychotherapist/relationship coach Toni Coleman, LCSW, explains, "The pros and cons may vary depending upon the ages of individuals and the actual age difference between them." You need to consider issues such as his desire for children and your compatibility in terms of lifestyle stage and career agendas. A big concern, according to Coleman, who is the founder of consum-mate.com, is the reaction his family may have to the pairing and how this could impact the relationship down the line.

Your solutions to these dilemmas might be quite creative. Sara Rogers was childless and twice divorced when she married Ron, 19 years her junior. She was open to the idea of becoming a parent, so the two adopted a baby girl from China. She was less open to admitting her real age to her traditionalist in-laws. Now 53, Sara admits sheepishly, "Luckily I look young. Dan was okay about lying to them. They think I'm 45."

In the end there are just two people whose opinions and needs matter. No matter what your age, life is short. So why not pack in as much as you can for as long as you can?

Coo coo ca-choo.

Visit the Web sites mentioned in this story:

gocougar.com  >>
thecougarconnection.com  >>
chemistry.com  >>
mate1.com  >>
consum-mate.com  >>

Do you have a tough question about dating or relationships?

E-mail Sherry at DatingExpert@More.com and your question might be featured in an upcoming column.

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About Sherry Amatenstein

Sherry Amatenstein, MSW, is the author of Love Lessons from Bad Breakups and Q&A Dating Book. She runs dating seminars around the country and does private coaching -- not to help singles marry in 60 days, but to uncover their blocks. She has given relationship advice on the Early Show, Regis, Inside Edition, CBS News, VH1, BBC, and many other programs. Her philosophy is that the most important relationship you'll ever have is with yourself.

Schedule a one-on-one coaching session with Sherry  >>
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Originally published on MORE.com, July 2007

Comments, ladies?

Cool

~Marin

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  • Jaybird627
    Jaybird627 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited September 2007

    :::::::::waving:::::::::  Meeeeeeeee! Cool

    I kind of like men in their 30's (and occasionally 20's!) Laughing

    Jaybird, aka Cougar (?)

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited September 2007

    ::::: waving also ::::::: Me too.

    My husband is 8 years and 2 months younger than me. When we married 11 years ago this Christmas, we were not worried with age, he was great with my 11 year old son. I am happy and not looking for anyone else.

    Sheila

  • newter
    newter Member Posts: 4,330
    edited September 2007

    I am almost a cougar.  My husband is 7.5 years younger than I am but much more mature.

  • celia088
    celia088 Member Posts: 2,570
    edited September 2007

    I'm a cougar.  My hubby is 16 years younger than me and we just celebrated our 17th wedding anniversary.

    purrrrrr purrrrrrr......
  • DragonladyTina
    DragonladyTina Member Posts: 371
    edited September 2007

    My husband is younger than me but not by enough to truly qualify me as a cougarInnocent. He is 5 yrs younger than me.

    BUT......hell yeah, I would be a frickin awesome cougar if I were not so happily married.

    meow, Tina

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited September 2007

    I wanna be a cougar!!

    WEndy A

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Wendy...Do ya think your husband would approve? Maybe you can be an honorary cougar or part of the reserve unit? Wink

    ~Marin

  • Isabella4
    Isabella4 Member Posts: 2,166
    edited September 2007

    My DH is 4 years younger than me, and I used to have a Ford Cougar....do I qualify !!!!

    Isabella.

  • sam52
    sam52 Member Posts: 950
    edited September 2007

    Yes!!! 23 years younger.......miaou!

    Sam-the-cougar

  • JustOne
    JustOne Member Posts: 226
    edited September 2007

    If I weren't happily married to someone my age, I'd definitely be a cougar!  Maybe next time... Laughing

    ~Pam

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    OMG, Sam, I thought that I'd seriously won the Cougar Medal here with a 34 year-old (I'm 54), but you totally have me beat! Niiiiice Cool

    ~Marin

  • sam52
    sam52 Member Posts: 950
    edited September 2007

    Lol ,Marin....we're not far out - I'm 56  to his 33.

    Niiiice indeedy!

  • Harborwitch
    Harborwitch Member Posts: 124
    edited September 2007

    Ages, and ages, ago when I was in my early 40's I was dating 20somethings.  The youngest was 22.  PRRRRRRRRR. 

    Someone asked "what do you do with a guy that young?"

    I replied - anything I want then I kiss him on the cheek, slap him on the butt, and send him home to his mama.   Geeze - he couldn't make a pot of coffee, but whoeeeeee.  

    Now I'm happily married to my soul mate who's only 2 years older than me. 

  • DragonladyTina
    DragonladyTina Member Posts: 371
    edited September 2007

    MARIN AND SAM!!

    Tip of the hat to you both! I love younger men and before I met my husband I was dating 2 younger men, actually much younger than meSealed, I think I was early 40's and they were early 20's, didn't last long but sure as hell was fun while it did last.

    It's only a number.

    Tina

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    I love these replies and agree that it's only a number. In fact, my 34 year-old is, emotionally, more mature than my last 2 bf's, ages 48 and 42 Surprised. The physical part, though......oh, the enthusiasm, adventurousness and the stamina....can't be beat!!!!! Am I right, my sister cougars????? Of course, if you're looking for long, lingering, tender lovemaking, maybe it's better to avoid the younger 'prey'....

    I say it's nice to have a choice in these matters, doncha ya think? Cool

    ~Marin

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2007

    Am I the only one who finds this characterization as incredibly sexist? When psychologists/social workers promote the pop psychology that they themselves have coined. I think it cheapens the profession. (Sorry Marin, you know I luv ya---just not the article).

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Oh Amy, I think that each person is completely entitled to her/his opinions! If we didn't have a diversity of views, life would be waaaay boring. As for the author's perspective, I don't consider it anything but liberating....and fun!!!! Laughing

    ~Marin

  • RobinTN
    RobinTN Member Posts: 654
    edited September 2007

    Thanks Fit for starting this.

    I have not been a cougar yet,but when I get out of this hell think I am gonna try it.WTH not?

    I just want someone to love me,no matter what the age.Glad to see there are others who think the same.

    How far into a relationship should one be before we fess up to our diagnosis? Is there even a time frame.I have found they run from the beginning or they are pervs to start with.

    I hope there are a few good men  out there.I am so tired of being lonley.

  • RobinTN
    RobinTN Member Posts: 654
    edited September 2007

    Oh Layne,that is such a great story.Congrats.may you have many many more great years and times.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Robin....I just bumped up the other article I posted about survivor dating. I know that you've had just an awful time of it and were married to a real p***k, but I swear that there are good men out there. Ya gotta have hope, girl! Wink

    ~Marin

  • RobinTN
    RobinTN Member Posts: 654
    edited September 2007

    Thank you Marin.I am just so damn lonley all the time.I crave companionship more than anything else.I havent given up on love despite my treatment the last few years by the man i refer to as EVIL.

    Thanks for the info.Wish some of you were closer to me.I sure could use a friend.

  • RobinTN
    RobinTN Member Posts: 654
    edited September 2007

    Marian,great article.There is no way you are ?53? I couldnt believe it when I read that.You look great.

    I just wish I could find a happy mediam in my life.Everyone tells me I have to be happy with myself well how the Heck do I do that?

    I have spent the last 28 years of my life around 2 men one did me terrible the first I did wrong and boy do i ever regreat it.I dont know how to get over that,nor do I know why it only surfaced after i was diagnosed.Maybe I should invest some of my insurance money in a shrink.Sure couldnt hurt.

    Take care and again many thanks

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited September 2007

    I'm 59, going on 60 soon, and I have told my DH that if anything were to happen to him, and if I were interested in romance or the like, it would not likely be with someone our age.  (He's a year older than I.)  Most men my age look like $--t.  I don't care if that sounds terrible, but it's the truth.  Bad me.  No sirreeeee.  It would be time for the studmuffin, pool boy, or whatever you want to call it. 

    Yes, it's terribly sexist, but I'm so far from perfect...............

    Tina, eyeing tanned, bare-chested construction workers glistening in the sun..........LOL  I'm only half-kidding.  Go for it, girls.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    abba....I hear ya! Though I've never actually seen a man my own age naked, I feel grossed out everytime I think of that scene in Sex & the City when Samantha starts to get busy with the rich old guy and he gets up to go to the 'little boys room' and she sees his butt. That's enough to convince me that 'cougarism' is the path for me!!!!!!! Those hot, tight booties.....Cool

    ~Marin

  • RobinTN
    RobinTN Member Posts: 654
    edited May 2008

    Marian

    are you still around? Just checking in trying to find my friends.Hope all is well with you.

  • CasinoGirl
    CasinoGirl Member Posts: 673
    edited May 2008

    Hey Robin - good to see you, girl!  You CAN be a cougar someday!

    I'm happy with current BF (age 50) but when David Cook and I hook up (age 25) I'll be a cougar then LOL!

  • Yogi70
    Yogi70 Member Posts: 654
    edited May 2008

    Well, my husband is 51 (handsome and fine) and I am 37.  And I love him and am happy with him.  BUT......

    If that were to change years from now I would definitely consider myself a "Cougar" gettin my groove back!  Too many fine young men out there!!

  • NaughtybyNature
    NaughtybyNature Member Posts: 1,448
    edited May 2008

    I am not... but I would LOVE TO BE ONE!Laughing

    I was one before, my x-husband was 5 years younger... can't believe... it would have been 5 years this coming June 1!  Then BC happened... and the rest is history...

  • Miss_Lolli
    Miss_Lolli Member Posts: 560
    edited May 2008

    Sorry Casino Girl, you gotta get in line after me for David! LMAO!That is sooo hilarious, because I had dated younger men and decided I shouldn't worry about lusting them unless they LOOK young enough to be my own son. I told my friend a month or so back, that it made me sad that he fit into that group, and I may have to reconsider! bwahaha YUMMMY and what a voice! Going to see him in August.

    Anyway....to get on the OT. I think it's wonderful and liberating that people are more accepting of women dating younger men, but until they don't have a "label" for it, not good enough for me. Why don't they have a name for men who date younger women? So yeah, in that respect I think it's sexist. I don't want to be called by the name of an animal (or any name period) because of who I'm dating.

    I would love to be a cougar, just not called one! LOL

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    Lori....they DO have a name for men who date younger women...PATHETIC Surprised Wink Laughing!

    Robin, my sweet chica, how the hell are you???? I tried PM-ing you forever and was so afraid that you'd left us in the dirt. Come back....we miss you! What's going on?

    ~Marin

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