A dietitian's worst nightmare!
July 17, 2007 01:55:41 PM PST
By Serena Gordon
HealthDay Reporter
Yahoo! Health: Breast Cancer News
TUESDAY, July 17 (HealthDay News) -- While a healthy diet remains a mainstay of cancer prevention, eating more than the recommended amounts of fruits, vegetables and fiber won't give you added protection against breast cancer, new research suggests.
This study of breast cancer survivors found no statistically significant benefit in terms of being diagnosed with breast cancer again for women who followed a diet that encouraged eating at least eight servings of vegetables and fruits, at least 30 grams of fiber, and no more than 15 percent to 20 percent of fat.
"Clearly, there's a threshold for prevention. You don't have to go overboard. The national guidelines are good enough," said study author John Pierce, director of cancer prevention at the Moores Cancer Center at the University of California, San Diego.
Results of the study are in the July 18 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Breast cancer accounts for about one in three of all cancers diagnosed in women, according to the American Cancer Society (ACS). More than 200,000 women are diagnosed with breast cancer in the United States each year, and more than 40,000 American women die from breast cancer annually, according to the ACS.
Many previous studies have suggested that a diet full of fruits, vegetables and fiber, but low in fat, can reduce the risk of certain cancers. To assess whether or not improving the diet over and above what's already recommended could provide a more significant benefit, Pierce and his colleagues recruited more than 3,000 women who'd already been diagnosed with and treated for early-stage breast cancer.
The women were between the ages of 18 and 70 and had no evidence of recurrent breast cancer at the start of the study.
The volunteers were randomly assigned to one of two groups. The intervention group included 1,537 women who were given telephone counseling along with cooking classes and newsletters that recommended five servings of vegetables, one serving of vegetable juice, three servings of fruit, at least 30 grams of fiber and no more than 15 percent to 20 percent of daily calories from fat. A comparison group included 1,551 women who were given printed materials that recommended the current national guidelines of five servings of fruits and vegetables a day.
"These were healthy breast cancer survivors who were already eating at least five servings of fruits and vegetables. We wanted to know what happened when you really ramped that up. Some women ate 12 or more servings of fruits and vegetables a day," Pierce said.
Throughout the study, the women were periodically asked to recall their diet in the past 24 hours. The researchers also checked for changes in certain substances in the blood that indicate fruit and vegetable intake. The average follow-up time was 7.3 years.
After four years, the researchers found that vegetable intake had increased in the intervention group by 65 percent, while fruit consumption was up by 25 percent. Fiber intake was also increased, by as much as 30 percent, and fat intake was down 13 percent.
Yet, during the study period, there were no statistically significant differences in the rates of breast cancer recurrence. During the study period, 16.7 percent of women in the intervention group vs. 16.9 percent of women in the comparison group received a diagnosis of invasive breast cancer.
There were also no statistically significant differences in mortality. In the intervention group, 10.1 percent of the women died compared to 10.3 percent in the comparison group.
Does that mean eating well won't help prevent cancer from returning?
"For women with breast cancer, the answer is out on whether or not there's a single constituent in the diet that will help. But, for overall health, maintaining a healthy weight and eating a healthy diet is always good," said the co-author of an accompanying editorial, Susan Gapstur, associate director of cancer prevention and control for the Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center at Northwestern University in Chicago.
Gapstur pointed out that the women in the study weren't able to meet the suggested reduction in fat intake. Additionally, she said that there appeared to be some discrepancy in the number of calories consumed. By the end of the study, the average number of reported calories consumed in the intervention group was 180 less per day. Gapstur said that such a change would have resulted in weight loss instead of the slight increase that the women experienced.
Rather than just one aspect of diet or lifestyle, Gapstur said she believes the next question researchers have to answer is all of these factors as a whole. "We have to address the full spectrum -- diet, physical activity and obesity," she said.
In the meantime, she said, "At the end of the day, it's never wrong or bad to eat healthfully."
Pierce added that exercise patterns are also important and suggested that women exercise moderately for about 30 minutes a day.
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I wish they would tell us what the initial diagnoses of these ladies were. How many were ER- or +? It could make a difference. They only say they had early stage BC. I was just reading again that high fiber diets helps to escort estrogen out of our systems.
Well, we can say that they shouldn't have heart problems if they keep to this diet. -
And I hated the national ABC news today implicating drinking alcohol as a "sure" factor to contributing to this.
Some days i just want to crawl under a rock. -
WallyCat,
And you weren't kidding about that worst nightmare either! A quick check shows you are a dietitian and medical librarian (as well as someone who enjoys exercise). Thanks for posting this just-released study suggesting high vegetable and fruit diets don't prevent recurrence or death from breast cancer. Perhaps a longer time frame is needed to see significance of such a diet.
Exercise and low calorie diets keep rats alive past their munching,non-treadmilling friends. Some studies suggest the same it true in humans. But how does a worthy public health habit such as exercise and low caloric intake translate into the goal of maintaining senescence of breast cancer cells?
What might be vey helpful and simple (yet futuristic) is catching women with subclinical disease by a blood test at their regular doctor's visit, performing genetic/molecular, hormonal, and immunologic analysis on the breast cancer cell(s) to see what paradigm shift in therapy might work, and treating the patient based on this concrete knowledge before the "recurrence" officially was detected. I'm sure we all are bothered by the current state of affairs of limited followup is needed until symptoms occur, especially for our hormone negative colleagues.
Perhaps smaller clinical studies might help push us past the apparent logjam of waiting to see whether one's cancer recurs or not. While we would lose much in statistical analysis (which has been a mainstay in broad based treatment recommendations), given the cost of large clinical studies and dwindling NCI grant money, we patients might benefit from such a tradeoff if new findings based on small, intense studies quickly surfaced.
In the meantime, we'll all be eating our heavily washed fruits and veggies, and getting on that treadmill or other, and watching our calories.
I'm sure we are all dreaming of the day when more hard scientific facts shed light on how to prevent recurrent breast cancer, and equally important, how to dampen it down when recurrence occurs.
Hope springs eternal and thanks to the scientists, doctors and nurses and staff and to our government for funding this ever so needed research!
Tender -
I want them to redo this study and this time only using organic veggies and fruits, and no grapefruit! I wonder if those numbers would change?
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Rosemary, I am curious why no grapefruit?
Using only organic veggies and fruits is ideal, but few can either afford them daily (especially to get the 10-12 servings) or find them.
Sadly, I was one of those that consumed 6-12 fruits/veggies daily for decades, drank my green tea, exercised....ah, well, I did have my red wine with dinner.....sigh. -
Wally,
It just came out today, women who ate grapefruit frequently, had more BC. I think the story was posted in the research news here.
I can't imagine eating all those veggies in one day. Is there time then for taking all the vitamins/minerals we should take just to have decent bone health?
I hope, after all you did, you have great heart health. -
Rosemary, I was never much of a grapefruit eater. My husband adores it and in season, polishes off up to two a day!! I will have to research the grapefruit report.
Remember that portion sizes are not what most people expect. For example, 1/2 grapefruit is a serving. 1/2 cup of berries in your cereal is a serving of fruit. A small can of v-8 juice is considered a serving. A nice, large salad can be upwards of 3 servings of veggies.
As for calcium supplements for bones, remember that dairy and calcium in food go towards the recommended dosages--not just supplements. For example, I love sardines (I know I am in the minority) and so eat them with the bones and get extra calcium that way. There are now enriched/fortified foods like orange juice and yogurts that have extra calcium so you don't need to get it all from a pill. The debate is still out in some circles as to calcium's benefit to bone health; some studies implicate large protein portions as depleting our bodies of calcium. Of course, some of those studies were based on Asian populations and they may metabolize things a bit differently.
Heart health is a sticky subject because I've seen people with IDEAL cholesterol drop over from a heart attack and I've known people with horrible numbers and are overweight and live to a ripe, old age. Go figure.
My mom is going to be 83 and still no cancers of any kind but she has diabetes, mental illness, congestive heart failure---to name a few. Who knows what any of us have in our genetic cards. I guess the old saying goes something like, "what do you want to die from...'cause none of us is getting out alive..." some days that makes me laugh and other days, I sob.
Editing to add...I found the British study ...this was for post menopausal women, which many of our BC ladies are not.
There have been similarly mixed statements about wine..implying that it increases circulation of estrogen (wine drinkers actually had less bone loss).
I am sure much of this has to do with small genetic components. The British study implies a genetic issue: cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4), is being affected. Sounds similar to why some women metabolize tamoxifen and others do not. -
Wally,
I've also read that in older ladies who were not absorbing calcium, (65+) that by adding more protein to their diets, it aided in calcium absorption. Maybe it's an age thing.
I think your husband may be alright with the grapefruit cause it has more to do with estrogen. As soon as I say that those words will haunt me. You watch, they'll find out that prostate problems comes from too much estrogen floating around in their body also.
I drink very little wine these days, but when I do, I enjoy every guilt-free sip of it. The problem is, I feel awful about an hour after having just one glass. Maybe I should have 2? -
Rosemary, LOL!!!! I love your last statement.
I am having two....I figure if I am dying from this, I am going with a smile on my face
Best to you all!! -
My oncologist is a strong proponant of eating an extremely low fat vegan diet. He can quote all the other studies in favor of this lifestyle. I figured I would do all I can to prevent recurrence and so have been on this diet since finishing chemo. I have lost about 20 pounds on it so am wondering why the ladies in the study did not loose. Anyway I think I will stick with it, I'm enjoying the new style of eating and I'm sure it can't hurt, it just might not help. Maybe I should just go out and get a burger and fries and forget healthy eating!! In the next few weeks, there will most likely be another study with the opposite opinion.
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I'm sticking to what I'm doing also. I mainly use the DIM veggies and fruits (berries) all organic that are high in antioxidants. So far no one has tested my diet. They only say the ladies ate veggies. Ok, which ones? How did they cook them, boiled and the nutrients are gone?
The study didn't mention what hormone therapy they were on. I don't want to even think about that. -
I was upset when I seen that on TV last night about it not making a difference in how many fruits & veggies you eat.. I told my husband that how many of those women can honestly say they ate what they were suppose to.. You know what I mean??
I am sticking to what my doctor says and he says eat healthy and lose weight. He tells me that every visit.
I started Weight Watchers in Jan for about the 6th or 7th time..lol But I know it really matters now. I have lost 31 since starting and a total of 40 since my last chemo.. Just feels good to feel normal again..
Congrats to Cloet1 for your 20 pound weight loss..... -
I'm wondering if it would be prudent to offer women anti-estrogen therapy before BC can take a hold? They have estrogen therapy, why not anti-estrogen therapy? Why wait till the horse left the barn, close the door now. What's the most common age of developing ER+ BC? 55? That would be a good age to begin. Just a thought.
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Rosemary, I was 1 month shy of 50 (so 49) when I was diagnosed. There are many ladies on the "young women" section of the BB who are in their 30's with er+ tumors.
I do wish they had a cure or a better treatment than having to amputate our bodies....maybe the 22nd century...sigh. -
Friends, i agree..i was bummed when i heard on the news that 1) lycopene does not reduce cancer risk...and 2) more fruits & veggies don't either...i'm choosing to believe the healthier i eat..the better i feel..the better i feel..the stronger my battle against recurrence. Lori, I also agree...in that study of all those women..a 24-hour recall can be pretty inaccurate. I'm wondering what The Cancer Project folks in D.C. are saying about all this. They promote vegan eating as a way to prevent recurrence or spread of a cancer...based upon studies of 7th Day Adventists vegan diet and lo-incidence of cancers. Altho..those folks eat a lot of meat analogs..soy based stuff. Interesting. Wallycat..i agree..if this cancer's gonna get me..i'm gonna enjoy a glass of wine here and there. I don't get it...i know of so many women that drink (alot) and don't have breast cancer. I'm beginning to think breast cancer is a random reaction some of us have to environmental factors. That's why it's so hard to pin down the cause. What a drag. Seriously..i grew up on oatmeal..believed in an apple a day..was always singled out for my healthy brown bag lunches..and exercised like it was my religion.
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Instead of anti-estrogens how bout they clean up the livestock, milk and water which are full of estrogens? Why put women on more drugs? I think they know the answer to many pieces of this. It is in the beef and milk and water which we call food. Tbis would cost too many people too much money so there is no interest in it. I want to hear about PREVENTION, not "cures".
Joanne -
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My oncologist is a strong proponant of eating an extremely low fat vegan diet. He can quote all the other studies in favor of this lifestyle. I figured I would do all I can to prevent recurrence and so have been on this diet since finishing chemo. I have lost about 20 pounds on it so am wondering why the ladies in the study did not loose. Anyway I think I will stick with it, I'm enjoying the new style of eating and I'm sure it can't hurt, it just might not help. Maybe I should just go out and get a burger and fries and forget healthy eating!! In the next few weeks, there will most likely be another study with the opposite opinion.
I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT ONCOLOGIST! IF MORE DR'S WOULD ADVOCATE HEALTHY EATING HABITS, AND HELP US TO STAY WELL, THROUGH DIET, INSTEAD OF ONLY TREATING US WITH MED'S WHEN WERE SICK, SO MANY OF US WOULD BENEFIT. OF COURSE, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A "SICK CARE SYSTEM" NOT A "HEALTH CARE SYSTEM".
I WENT TO A CLASS LAST NIGHT,AND A RAW FOOD'S CHEF, USING ONLY ORGANIC PRODUCT'S MAKE SOME OF THE MOST DELICIOUS FOOD I HAVE EVER EATEN! ALL RAW! IT'S EXTREMELY HEALTHY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COOK!
THE STUDY ON THE ARTICLE;" DIET DOES NOT AFFECT BREAST CANCER SURVIVAL" WAS A VERY FLAWED STUDY, AND IT COST ABOUT 35 MILLION DOLLARS,AND PRESENTED MISLEADING INFORMATION. -
PS. THIS IS WHAT THE RAW FOOD CHEF SAID TO ME REGARDING THE ARTICLE "THAT DIET DOES NOT AFFECT BREAST CANCER SURVIVAL"
the article you referred me to it is written by the AMA. Since it is not in the best interest of doctors to have you healthy (they only make money when you are sick) and since they are not trained in nutrition at all, it does not surprise me in the least to read the contents of this article. You have to remember that the whole intent of the "sick care system" (we don't have a health care system) is to make sure you need to stay in the system. I am not saying that all treatment or all doctors are bad. Most are just ill informed and RE-active rather than PRO-active in their techniques. When you think about it, the field of medicine in our country has made great strides in the past 5-10 years; however, we continue to get sicker and sicker as a nation. We have to ask ourselves why that is...Being able to educate yourself and think for yourself allows you to take responsibility and control over your own health. And that is certainly a good thing. -
Many doctors don't tell the patients what not to eat or what TO eat because he/she knows the patient is going to do what they want.
I say ignore the newest report and eat healthy if that's what makes you feel good. Healthy eating is a good thing for other parts of our bodies. NOW, if only I could learn to do that.
Shirley -
Yes, Wallycat, I was 32 when they found out my tumor was bc and ER+.
Since bc doesn't run in my family and I tested negative for the BRCA gene, I have been wondering if it was the years of being on birth control pills, the burnt food I liked to eat, the massive amounts of soy everything I like to eat... I could go on for days picking apart my diet and health habits.
Hmmm... I guess I'll never know.
Despite what the article says, I think it is always better to eat as healthy as possible and exercise AND enjoy a glass of wine when the mood strikes! -
HI GIRLS, THE FOLLOW IS A LETTER STATING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE FLAWED, INACCURATE STUDY,PUT OUT BY JAMA, THAT SAYS "DIET DOES NOT AFFECT BREAST CANCER SURVIVAL"
AND I AM STICKING TO LOW FAT, ORGANIC, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY..
Breast cancer-diet study dishonest
By WILLIAM L. WEIS
GUEST COLUMNIST
Last week's Associated Press report on a poorly designed and poorly executed study on breast cancer and diet sends a false, and deadly, message to P-I readers ("High-veggie diet fails to prevent disease's return," Wednesday).
The message, that diet is not a factor in breast cancer prevention and management, is simply wrong -- dead wrong. And the "study" reporting those conclusions should never have been accepted for publication in the Journal of the American Medical Association (I encourage skeptical readers to scrutinize the article, titled "Influence of a Diet Very High in Vegetables, Fruit and Fiber and Low in Fat on Prognosis Following Treatment for Breast Cancer" -- jama.ama-assn.org/current.dtl).
The "study" randomly assigned breast cancer patients to two diets, one high in saturated fat and animal protein, and the other high in saturated fat and animal protein. Yes, you read that correctly. Both diets were high in saturated fat, both were high in animal protein, and neither was high in vegetables or fruit, despite what the title of the study suggests.
Those in the "healthy diet" group were asked to consume a daily diet comprised of "five vegetable servings, three fruit servings, 16 ounces of vegetable juice and 30 grams of fiber." For those trying to consume a healthy, balanced diet, that is a near-starvation level of vegetable and fruit consumption -- and yet the study incredulously labels this as a "very high" intake of vegetables and fruit.
The "healthy diet" group members were further asked "to get no more than 15 percent to 20 percent of their calories from fat," but they actually consumed a much higher percentage of fat calories, and much of that from saturated fat. No respectable non-aligned nutritionist (e.g., one not working for the diary industry) would consider 20 percent a "low fat" intake, even if the "healthy diet" subjects had actually been able to achieve that level (which they were not).
The study was dishonest in its design, dishonest in its execution and dishonest in its interpretation of results and implications. It did not look at cancer patients on either a low fat or high vegetable and fruit diet. It should never have claimed it did, and then exacerbate that fraud with misleading conclusions that suggest diet is an innocuous agent in cancer prevention and management. And The Associated Press should have reporters capable of discerning research quality, and not rely on the imprimatur of the JAMA. Bad science and bad journalism, especially when it applies to health, is a toxic combination.
Finally, that the JAMA reviewers and editors could be so naïve about the basic fundamentals of nutrition that they would refer to a subsistence diet of vegetables as "very high," as they do in the title to their article, goes a long way toward explaining why our population is suffering the ravages of obesity, diabetes, heart disease and, yes, breast cancer.
William L. Weis is professor of management and director of the MBA Program at Seattle University's Albers School of Business and Economics.
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Can you send a link or sample of what your diet is like? I will finish chemo next week and would like to try it since I have at least 20 pounds to lose and want to get into a healthier mode......Thanks
Katymom -
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Can you send a link or sample of what your diet is like? I will finish chemo next week and would like to try it since I have at least 20 pounds to lose and want to get into a healthier mode......Thanks
Katymom
hi kat, my diet is basically semi- vegetarian. fruit, fish,(king oscar sardines) lots of grains, quinoa, barley, lentils,(orange,black,& brown ones)if you go to the vegetarian web sites, you will get lot of great recepies.i make frest fruit, veggie protein shakes. no sugar,(only stevia) no cakes, cookies,pies etc. for my sweet tooth, i buy dark chocolate bars, organic, 73% cocoa.drink lots and lots
of water, wheat grass and other green drink powders.
no milk, but non fat organic yogurt. i use almond and rice milk for my rolled oats and cereal. lots of nuts, walnut, almonds, and seeds. i sprout my grains many times and eat raw food meals several times a week,
EXERCISE EVERYDAY!! without fail.i do, even when my bones are hurting from the FEMARA.. (except sun., my day off) do what you can, i jump rope, lift some weights, cardio fit machine, and dance. for a total of about 40 per day., plus i have a very physical job, that helps too. the important thing for ER+ ladies, is to keep those estrogens moving!
diet and exercise should go together. need both to loose weight and keep toned. hope this helps..go for it and good luck. -
Biondi, except for the wheat-grass stuff, you sound just like me before BC
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YA KNOW WALLYCAT, MY HIGHSCHOOL NICKNAME WAS WALLEY.. BEFORE B/C, I ATE A LOT OF THE SAME FOOD I DO NOW, BUT LOTS OF SIMPLE CARBS, THATS THE ONLY THING I'M DOING DIFFERENT NOW. AND YEARS AGO, WHEN I LIVED IN ARGENTINA, I WAS A BIG MEAT EATER! OF COURSE THE BEEF THERE, WASN'T TOXIC AS IT IS HERE IN THE US. I LOST MY TASTE FOR IT 20 YEARS AGO. I STILL LIKE HOMEMADE GERMAN SAUSAGE AND KROUT, BUT ONLY EAT THAT WHEN I SEE MY FAMILY, WHICH IS SELDOM. TRADITION U KNOW. PERSONALLY, I THINK MY TAKING THE POISON PREMPRO FOR 6 YEARS, MOST LIKELY WAS A BIG FACTOR IN GETTING B/C. OF COURSE, THEY DIDN'T TELL US OF THE 50% RISK INCREASE FOR CONTACTING B/C WITH HRT. DON'T THINK MY DIET HAD MUCH TO DO WITH IT,BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS PRETTY GOOD. .
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Ya, Biondi, I wonder if birth control pills helped express a gene that may not have been activated otherwise. I am still perimenopausaul and my twin sis is as well...she just gave up birth control pills and hopefully she will never get BC.
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