Starting Chemo in JAN 2007
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Mel I thought your hair looked lovely in the photo so I'm not surprised you want the s&p back. I'm using the wash-out stuff too and it softens very quickly anyway. DS is still bugging me to dye the sides some more.
Nandy you have a LOT of hair! And nice curls. Experiencing hair envy here...
Viddie, you will be so covered in good thoughts from everyone here tomorrow that things are bound to go well. Thanks for having someone check in with us to let us know. You will soon have two fab girls.
Goldenmom, three trims already? Please do post a pic.
I took a deep breath this morning and went to church wigless for the first time. You must understand this is a small town, very conservative congregation that gave me very little support, just some get well cards and that was all, and then comments like, "so you're over it all now?". But it was so hot out I put on a girly skirt and big earrings and went. I saw lots of wide-eyed looks, but then a young woman I had never seen there before came in and had the exact same length hair! She spied me right away. She had her hair dyed black and had a lightning bolt shaved into the top. She was only in her 20s and I didn't know if she had chemo so after church I told her I loved her hairdo, and she looked at mine and laughed. Then she said her mother does hers for her. ??? So I still don't know why she has it that short but it felt like we were sent there for each other. So now I'm pondering shaving some symbol into mine. Any suggestions? - Skye -
skye, not sure about the symbol, but I thought you were going to dye it "skye blue"
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Skye - a sea monster would be nice!!!! (I hope you're kidding?) I do believe going through this makes us more open to other people and other ways of life!
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Hi gals, yes I'm kidding about the symbol, I don't have that much nerve. Also wimped out on the blue dye but who knows, that could still happen. Or maybe just a blue streak. Still, its fun to contemplate walking around with a sea monster (great idea Mary) or maybe a little heart or something on the back. I wish I'd had time to ask the gal this morning what the lightning meant. - Skye
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Skye, I vote sea monster!
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Absolutely beautiful Mary! I love it! That table top is so divine I would put it inside my house!
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Good Morning All,
Mary, wonderful, gorgeous photos!
Skye, glad you are going out topless. You have such lovely bone structure that you look great however you are.
I know we are all thinking of Viddie today. Rebecca, glad the pain is easing a bit. This is a big step, and once you are unwrapped and feeling well, you will be so glad you did it.
I had a very busy weekend working on the wedding. Anne is a quirky, funny gal, who just reduces me to helpless laughter a good deal of the time. She has very definite feelings about what type of wedding she wants, and is not doing any of the traditional stuff like cake cutting, bqt toss, etc. She also does not want gifts, which is a hard concept for the extended family to grasp, but her household is pretty set since when our older daughter married last summer, she gave Anne all her furniture, kitchenware, etc, so Anne really doesn't need more stuff. I think the wedding will be a lovely reflection of our girl, but it sure won't be formal and traditional! She is having two friends officiate, though she keeps telling me it will be pretty traditional wording ... we will see. It's her day, not mine, so I am fine with what she wants. Her fiance is not too worried about the details so he is easy.
I am feeling pretty well now. The edema is better a tad each day, and I am hoping will be gone in a week or two. I find myself pretty stiff and slow moving, and am hoping that improves too. My legs and hips just feel inflexible in a way, kind of slow to react ... not really sore, just out of shape maybe. I need to exercise more, I think.
Busy day ahead at work; the whole week will be that way since I am taking next week off for vacation. Hope all of you have a lovely day!
Melia -
Well good morning to you all ladies!
I have been thinking about Viddie since I woke up this morning .I am sending warm fuzzy vibes her way.
Melia it sounds like you are having a blast working on the wedding and I am SO GLAD! I think that if you do not have some fun planning it, it is not worth having. It really sounds like you are having a wonderful bonding experience, and the fact that you realize that it is about HER not YOU speaks volumes about what kind of Mom you are. HUGS to you .you are the best!
I spent most of the day OFF pain meds yesterday made it until about 4:30, and then had to take one because I felt the pain sneaking back in. Took another before bed, but nothing yet this morning. Drove DH to the train this AM like I usually do another step towards normalcy. I only used one hand to drive right side feels MUCH better than the left. I think it is because the right side was really just an implant exchange, all the setup work was done at the time of my mast but the left side was virgin boob, so it is like raw meat in there. It still hurts a bit, and makes a strange noise when I move my arm in certain ways (rather disturbing, really .but I imagine it is just air trapped in the dressing rather like an armpit fart). I have been trying very hard NOT to sweat with the bandages on, but it has been a losing battle. My fear is that my sweat will make the dressing wet and it will grow fungus or something. YECK. Dry dressings and tamoxifen do not really mix I think. Well, the PS looks at it tomorrow, so my life will hopefully be much better tomorrow afternoon (and I get a gander at the girls, which will be nice).
Here is something funny .after my surgery the Dr gave DH a little card for me to hold on to. It is a PRODUCT REGISTRATION CARD complete with serial numbers for my boobs. Tee hee. Somehow it tickles my funnybone that I have a warranty on my fake mammary glands. I sure hope that they do not recall THIS product, because I suspect that returning them to the company is not as simple as just taking them back to BJs.
Today my SIL has said that she will help me ferry the kids around, which is nice, but in order to obtain the help I have to pack everyone up and head about an hour north of here for the day. She wants to have us all at the house for the day to swim etc, which sounds very nice, except for the sweat factor for me. I like the help, but I wish that it did not have to be on HER terms like that. Would have been nice to have someone HERE for a bit considering I am pretty helpless right now can not even take the watermelon out of the fridge much less cut it....no laundry baskets .can not push the vacuum .not even supposed to hold the coffee pot or the gallon of milk for gosh sakes so how am I supposed to feed my kids?!?!? Needless to say I have been unable to follow the PS instructions regarding weight limits to the letter .I have picked up the milk and the coffee carafe, but NOT the watermelon or the vacuum cleaner. Feeling a little frustrated .maybe I should take the percocet just so I can dull my senses a bit and make this easier to bear.
Oh boy that is rambly .my English professor would have a hairy about that one I can hear it echoing in my brain .one idea, one paragraph oh WAIT! Thats ME!! -
You girls getting new boobs are my heroes. ME...Ain't got the nerrrve! Shoot I don't even have the nerve to start the tamoxifen. Mel, I again need your help in forcing me to take this pill. Yes I am a big fat chicken!
The guys were here at 7 am to start on the new roof, Geez, we weren't even expecting them. So DH is outside moving the deck furniture and stuff out of the way. I guess with roofers you have to "get while the gettings good" IE. no rain.
My cats are scared to death of all the noise, and the dogs could care less. Some "watch" dogs they are!
I start physical therapy today for my neck. I hope to learn some exercises to help combat the arthritis going on in there. My rad burns look yucky, I stay greased up and have ruined a shirt or two!
Ya know about two weeks ago I had little baby eyelashes and now they are back and I can even curl them again with the eyelash curler. My brows are pluck worthy again, but my hair it stopped growing or at least seems like it did. I'm kind of bummed about that. Although, I have such miserable sweaty hot flashes I couldn't imagine having a full head of hair, I am soaked all the time. Blah I hate it. One minute I am roasting the next I am freezing. Boy what we take for granted! -
Nancy!!!
Take that teeny little pill! It is nothing, really. If you have hot flashes already, you won't even notice a difference.
As for getting new boobs...awww shucks....i am just too chicken to go without! -
Wow Rebecca, you're doing great. I wish I could be there to help. Don't worry about the housework!
Nancy, the Tamox has not been bad. Hot flashes are no worse than before. You know you need to take it - so just do it and get it over with! My hair too seems to be at a standstill but it sure is curly so it's hard to tell. -
Rebecca - glad to hear you are doing well - take it easy and make sure others do the heavy lifting for you. It's too easy to over do the mom stuff.
Nancy - I'm terrified NOT to take the tamoxifen.
I haven't been posting much - but have read everything. Work has been really, really busy - which is good. I'll try to make the chat tomorrow, but not sure if I can. I will be able to chat on Thursday. -
Mary - the patio and your lawn/garden look great. You are so lucky to have mature trees. Here in new suburbland it will be years before any of the trees really get mature.
Melia - sounds like you had a great time with Anne and the plans are coming along great. I loved how you described ordering evening dresses from Nordstroms and then returning the ones you don't want. I wish I could do that, but the closest Nordstrom's is 4 hours away in Troy.
Nancy - take the Tamox. Jan is right - I am more terrified NOT to take it. I've had a few s/es - but they are settling down as it's been over 4 weeks since I started taking them.
Rebecca - I wish I could help you out. People are so dense - they just don't get it. I will often just blurt out " I am sick now, still undergoing treatment for BC, sorry I can't do it."
Thinking good thoughts for Viddie. I'm sure she will do well.
My BIL is in from San Francisco - he's a great guy, the girls love their Uncle Larry - we went on a 40 min. walk this morning - the longest I've done since all this started.But I needed a nap this afternoon.
Tonight we are meeting assorted family members for dinner downtown - that's about it girls
caya -
This is a poor quality camera phone picture - but I wanted to show you all how much FUN I had this weekend (I'm in the light blue shirt). This climbing wall opened near my house last year and I've been wanting to go climbing since then. However before I got the chance I was diagnosed, had surgery, blah, blah, blah ... well this weekend I finally picked up a pair of climbing shoes and went. I had a blast! For 45 minutes I was totally focused on climbing and for the first time in ages I didn't think about anything cancer related at all. It was a wonderful experience. I can't wait to go again. -
Yay Jan!!!!!
I am totally speechless. I think you are officially past it!
Wow.
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Jan that looks so fun. Does it take a lot of strength? You must be in good shape.
Rebecca I like Caya's line, just telling people you can't drive or whatever right now. Why COULDN'T that SIL come to your place? Wish I lived close enough to whip up a few casseroles for you. Would it help to buy the milk in quarts for a while? And don't worry about being the English prof with us...let those paragraphs bulge and the participles dangle. Lord knows any of my editors would have fits if they saw my stream-of-consciousness posts, but luckily they cannot.
Melia the wedding prep sounds like a blast, and something to always remember. Hope you find a gorgeous dress!
Nancy, go get a glass of water and start popping Tamox. I'm a little worried myself because my onc is waiting to start me on the Femara til after the 27th. I'd like to be getting that protection. Your comment about what we take for granted reminded me of another incident that happened at church Sunday. A lady came up to me afterward and said, "Well, your hair is very short." I said to her, "When something is taken completely away, you become grateful for a very little of it." And that is so true!
Today I went to the post office and got another turtle face from someone I know who was there. I think seeing my hair like this kind of forces people to realize and think about the fact that I did go through something horrendous. I've started thinking of it as my survivor badge of honor.
Anyway, Rebecca let us know what you think of the girls' new look, and I hope we hear from someone at Viddie's soon too. - Skye -
Ok Everyone is right. It centainly would be nuts for me to have gone through all this treatment and not take the pill. Thank you for the slap, I truly needed it. I have had the I don't care syndrome here lately. I guess it's because in the beginning of all this everyone ( family/friends) seemed to be there for me and now that treatment is over I feel abandoned. Why was I suddenly dropped like a hot potato? Everyone got tired of rooting me on I guess. But thank the Lord I still have you guys! I will start the tamox tonite.
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Nancy - I really think that people who have not been through this really don't get it. For me this is never over. I'll always worry. Others, I think, assume that once treatment is over that we are done. But we are living with the reality of this every day - either dealing with our bodies or dealing with the fear of recurrence or both. I can't really blame them for not understanding. I didn't either before I went through this.
Skye - if rock climbing took strength I wouldn't have done it. Girls are the best climbers (IMO) because we tend to be more flexible and balanced. If you have really good technique (I don't) you can depend more on leg strength and balance. Unfortunately I ended up using my arms too much and they hurt like crazy for about 24 hours afterwards. I spent all day Sunday paranoid about lymphedema and slept with my arm propped up just in case that might help. Well, I survived without any problems and can't wait to go back. I think I'll try to take some classes so I can work on my form more.
Rebecca - when do the bandages come off? -
Well, for the past 24 hrs. every time I tried to post the site would bog down, or go down, and I couldn't get it to happen - I will be so glad when whatever improvements they are making are in fact made, and I can just post and be done with it.
Nancy, you first. If you haven't taken your Tamoxifen yet, please PM me your phone number and I will call you and talk you through it! I'm not kidding. If that doesn't work, PM me your address and I'll fly up there and stuff it down your throat! Effexor is optional...Tamoxifen isn't. If only I could take it. Anyway, please report back to us tomorrow that you have (or have not) taken it - and I'll be checking on you!
Mary, your patio is lovely, and I love the open yard with all the big trees - what kind of trees are they? I'd kill for that back yard, almost. It's really beautiful. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Melia, it sounds to me like Anne is going to have a perfect wedding - she seems to know what she wants and doesn't want, and is lucky enough to have a mom who is willing to let her have that. My wedding was pretty non-traditional - we didn't even have a wedding cake! I just could NOT go through all that traditional stuff, so I see where she's coming from. Just curious...did your older daughter go the traditional route? Glad your edema is finally getting better.
Rebecca, I'd like to slap your SIL! I know she means well, but it's like she is trying to help you without inconveniencing herself too much. It's as if you have to go to a lot of extra trouble just so she can feel good about herself. Glad you're feeling better, though, and able to get by without the pain pills part of the time. Hope you get to go dressing-less after tomorrow.
Jan, the climbing looks like so much fun! I have the leg strength, but my arms are so out of shape I'd be almost afraid to try it. But it sure looks like fun. And what a great side-benefit, to totally forget about bc for a while.
Skye, did the lady think she was giving you some news, that your hair was short?? There ought to be some witty comeback for those people, but I don't know what it would be. One of my friends told me the other day that she didn't want to see me without my wig on. I wanted to just rip it off right then! I guess it's really true that nobody understands who hasn't been through it, which is why we are so lucky to have each other.
I sure wish we had heard something from Viddie's family by now. I thought about her all day, as I'm sure everyone else did also.
Well, time for me to go to bed - just realized I have to get my driver's license renewed this week, and unless I want to do it on my birthday, I'm going to have to do it tomorrow. Another lousy picture... -
Good Morning all,
Jan, I am flabbergasted; you have indeed moved past illness, at least to a large extent. I always watch those climbing walls but have never tried one. Good for you!
Rebecca, I too wish we could all help you. I really don't think other people get it. I think Jan is right; I sure didn't understand before I went thru it. In a way, I am kind of glad that people have stopped asking how I am. I felt that most of my support came right here, and the few people I told, in large part, kind of let me down. Husband and kids were great, but other than that, I felt kind of neglected anyway. I was so consumed by the shock and fear that I don't know if anyone could have met my standards anyway. I am just glad now to be able to mull on it quietly, to think it through and try to come to terms with it, and to have this forum to help me.
Nancy, I am triple neg but sure wish there were a pill I could take ... Mel is serious, she is going to fly to you and force feed you!
Skye, your response to the hair comment is perfect. I am so grateful for my gray fuzz, it's kind of pathetic.
The wedding ... thanks for all the nice comments. Anne is such a funny girl. Jill's (our older girl) wedding was a bit more traditional; no bqt toss or garter, but she did the cake cutting, had the minister, very traditional, lovely vows. One of the most precious memories I have of hers is her new husband's welcoming speech. My husband is shy and didn't want to do it so our son in law did. He started by saying that he and Jill "were humbled" by the show of love and support everyone made by attending. I loved that phrase. We had fun doing Jill's and are enjoying the prep for Anne's too. It's weird when they marry b/c then you don't get them alone much, but I am so glad they have found mates that we all love.
Ok, long day ahead. I have to go to a meeting about two hours away. My son and his girlfriend are cooking tonite though; they met in the Peace Corps in Mauritania, and are cooking a Mauritanian meal. Should be interesting.
Melia -
Skye- I like your comment to that lady perfect! It really is funny the stupid things that people say when they are speechless Honestly she should have just said nothing, I think. I have endured similar comments, and my usual comeback is to rub it and say yes, isnt it great? This is more hair than I have had in 6 months!
Nancy .did you take your pill last night? We REALLY do not want to sic Mel on you
Jan, I am still so impressed that you felt strong enough to try something like that (even if it is something that relies on finesse rather than pure muscle). It stinks that you then had to worry about lymphedema afterwards though. BC SUCKS .and it sucks the joy out of so many things. I hope that over time that will ease off a bit.
Mel, have you tried writing your posts in a word processor and then just doing a cut and paste? That is what I do, and that way if the site crashes I do not lose my post. I think that you should DEFINITELY have flashed your crew cut at your friend. What a comment! Anyway, you look good in your short hair, and I for one would be glad to see you WITH or WITHOUT your wig .she should just be grateful that you are still here! My condolences on your drivers lic picture .I had to have mine done earlier in the summer, and of course it was right around the time that I lost all my eyebrows and eyelashes. I look like Uncle Fester in a scarf .scary.Quote:
Rebecca, I'd like to slap your SIL! I know she means well, but it's like she is trying to help you without inconveniencing herself too much. It's as if you have to go to a lot of extra trouble just so she can feel good about herself.
you put your finger right on the button, Mel. The only good thing was that my MIL came and picked me up, and my SIL drove me home. She put food on the grill, and the kids swam in her (absolutely gorgeous) pool. They had a good time, and I sat in the shade with an icepack on the back of my neck trying not to sweat. It was not so bad, but I was VERY sore and VERY tired by the end of the day, so in retrospect it was probably not the best way to help me. Today one of my good girl friends is going to stay with me, and I think I am going to insist that we stay at my house. She is going to come with her kids, so they can play and she can supervise and do the mom stuff.
Well, today is the day I get to meet my new girls .I am excited, scared and so many other emotions that I can not put names to. If nothing else I am hoping to get this iron maiden of a surgical dressing off. I am soooooooooo taking a nice shower as soon as I get home. STINKY, but at least my hair has not been a bother this time! -
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Skye, did the lady think she was giving you some news, that your hair was short?? >>
Mel, LOL! I should have acted surprised. :-) I can't believe your friend said she didn't want to see you without your wig. I think it just makes people too uncomfortable to have to acknowledge what we went through, and the hair is the most visible sign of that. I do wish you would have whipped it right off. - Skye -
Melia good luck on the long day ahead and yum on the Mauritanian dinner. I have no idea what kind of food that is. And I felt very let down by many people, particularly my church, (not even the pastor or his wife so much as called once to see how I was during any of it), but I'm trying really hard to judge because I'm not sure I haven't seemed callous to others in the past when I didn't really understand what they were going through. So I focus on the people like you ladies and my amazing neighbors and other friends. And I'm trying to figure out a way to tell the pastor that if anyone else in the congregation gets cancer to send them to me for support, without sounding like I'm being accusatory for their lack.
Rebecca, I'm so glad you at least did not have to drive, but it still sounds like a bigday so soon after surgery. Say howdydoo to the girls for us and let us know how the meeting goes. :-) - Skye -
Duh...meant to say NOT TO judge, should have read post before sending. - Skye
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Well, I got the iron maiden off today. I have to wear a sports bra and a retaining strap 24/7 for the next few weeks, but they can come off for showers and so on so it is definitely a move in the right direction.
The good news is that they are NOT gigantic like I was fearing. I think when all is said and done they will be a small C which works out ok for me. The bad news is that I am having AWFUL problems with body image now. I am reacting very badly to the adjustment surgery on my other breast. I found it upsetting to contemplate beforehand, and I was just in tears looking at it in the mirror. I feel like I have been mutilated The PS over my last minute objections (last minute because I had NO IDEA HE WAS GOING TO DO THIS) .adjusted the size of my nipple when he moved it up. It is now a lot smaller than it was (he said you dont want that big nipple aureola complex, do you? I said yes, actually I do and he said no, it will be more youthful). I think it is very likely that he did not have a choice, and that nipple alteration was a necessary part of the operation, but right now it looks just AWFUL like a pink Hershey kiss perched on top of a low volcano (I am having a hard time putting the description into words). You can even see it protruding through my sports bra. I can only hope that it is swelling and it will look better soon, but I always had a big nipple, but it was ok balanced by the aureola but now the aureola is gone, and it looks like it is all nipple now.
Oh and the squeaking noise that I heard was actually the implant moving around in there. He told me it will become quiet in a few weeks. The things they forget to tell you ..
Well, I am very upset but I think it is more that I need to adjust, and I have had so much adjusting in the last year that this was just the last straw.
Ok enough whining from me. I should count my blessings rather than complain I think. I will get over it .thanks for listening. -
Rebecca I have to believe that once everything settles down and starts to heal that it will look and feel much, much better. I am so sorry that you are having such a hard time, it just sounds horrible. You are so tired and stressed. Please try to get some rest.
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Rebecca, Sweetie, please try not to worry ... the swelling needs to go down before you know what they will really look like. You have been through so much, you are tired, you are hot, you are still in pain. You are going to look just great once you are healed. I wish I could come make you some tea, pat you gently, and take care of the kids so you could just rest. You are going to be ok. You are just exhausted, emotionally and physically.
Melia -
Oh, Rebecca, (((((((BIG HUGS))))))). I'm so sorry you're feeling bad. I agree with the others, exhaustion and stress are probably at the root of your feelings. You had really "had enough" before you even had this surgery - you were ambivalent going in, didn't really want to have to do it, so it's not surprising that you are less than ecstatic about your results. I am sure that you are swollen, since it's only been a few days, and in the weeks to come you will begin to see what your PS was going for. It's just too soon, now. What really sucks is that none of us are going to get exactly what we want, which is an unmutilated body, untouched by breast cancer and its treatments. I'm sorry you're having a hard time, but you've been through a lot, and with the added task of raising young children thrown into the mix, you've probably had a harder time than some of us. So it's not whining. That's why we're all here - vent all you want.
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More hugs, Rebecca. I'm so sorry the unveiling was not as you had expected, but I am sure swelling does have a lot to do with it. After my lumpectomy, it was months before the swelling went down enough for me to notice that I was a cup size smaller on that side. I promise it will make a difference.
If it's any comfort my day was also horrible. Had the bone density scan which was nothing, then I went downstairs for the MRI of my left shoulder which hurts like crazy whenever I lie down. At first they didn't inject anything so I lay in there for 30 minutes and thought I was done, which was bad enough because the shoulder was getting excruciating in that position. Then she said the doctor decided he wanted stuff injected for a clearer look so had to go thru the same old bs of the technician trying to find my vein before calling in the specialist, hurting me a lot, then got shoved back into that position for another 15 minutes. So now I'm wondering what he wanted to see better. My onc is supposed to call with results but who knows when. It's piddly stuff compared to your surgery Rebecca but perhaps its some company your misery can love.
Anyone chatting tonight? - Skye
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