June 2007 Chemo

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  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007
    Cyndi, Decadron is a steriod and is used to help allievate nausea symptoms. After my SE, I have to wonder about some athletes and their fondness for steriods, no way for me!
    I get Decadron in the IV before they infuse the chemo drugs. I have pills to take at home too but my onc said to discontinue them, thank goodness.
  • DebbieK
    DebbieK Member Posts: 116
    edited July 2007
    Happy Day! #4 AC is done! I am so happy to see the last of that little red bag! Now I just need to deal with SEs this week, and I am good. They keep promising me the Taxol will be better so I hope I am not disappointed. The doc even told me he is not prescribing the Emend for next tx as he doesn't think I will need it.

    Terry, I seem to have a stronger sense of smell as well. Weird, huh? I'm glad to hear the doctor eased off on the steriods for you. Mine has only given me the one in the IV at tx so I have not had to deal with the problems you have had. He did tell me today that I have to pretreat with the steriods the night and morning before Taxol to avoid an allergic reaction so I am not looking forward to that.

    I'm thinking about you guys having treatments this week and hope all goes well.

    Take care, Debbie
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Hey everyone!

    Cheryl - what's going on?

    Terry - I have the same problem with my nose! I usually am more sensitive than everyone in my family but more so recently! Kind of hard to stop breathing when people wear too much cologne/perfume and are in your face trying to find out how you feel and if they can do anything for you!

    Treatment #3 AC has given me more side effects than #1 & #2. Not really a big deal compared to what others of you are dealing with but for me it's adding a mental "thing" that I really wish this was over. Just more tired and funny feeling than pain or nausau but when I should be thinking - only one more A/C! I'm doing the gag reflex and tears come to my eyes and I start thinking I can't do this .....................that kind of thing. I don't like laying around on the couch and feeling gross like the flu (not that anyone else does either!) ...............and then of course I want to kick myself because I want to live. UGH. Oh well, thanks for letting me vent. I'm sure I'll feel better in the next couple days and be ready for #4 on 8/2...........................

    Hope everyone had a good day!

    Dawn
  • kath11
    kath11 Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Hi Everyone,

    It sounds like we are all experiencing so many of the same things. Yes, the smell sensitivity is amazing. I can smell things that no one else can smell. The worst, though, is in the middle of the night when I wake up I realize that my husband is passing gas in his sleep and it is bad! I try to hold the covers down so it doesn't escape so I can get back to sleep!

    Debbie, I am with you as I had the last of the red devil, AC #4, today. I am looking forward to starting Taxol, but I got some news that has me confused/worried/reading more posts to learn more. Initially I was told I was HER2 neg. But that test is done by IHS (are those the initials? Maybe it is ISH) and my onc. wanted it to be restested using a FISH test. I am ER- and slightly PR+ so he suspected HER2 positive, and the FISH test is more precise. So he was right. I'm HER2 positive and this changes my treatment from here on out. Now I start 12 weekly Taxol treatments with Herceptin, which prolongs my Taxol treatment for one month. So I won't be done with that until October 15 (originaly my last Taxol was September 16). Then Herceptin for a year. Yikes! Now I'm also concerned because I'm supposed to leave for Italy November 2 to visit my college-age daughter who will be studying over there for four months. I really want to go, but that is only 17 days after treatment my last Taxol. I will be gone 12 days. What do you all think? My doctor says he thinks it will be fine. Some of you have already traveled far. (I think a few of you mixed up me and Debbie K. But I'm sure Debbie recognized the sentiment as she reads all the posts, right, Debbie? Debbie took a cross country trip, but I haven't been anywhere yet, other than four hours in the car.)

    Sorry for the long, rambling post. Just when you think you've got a handle on the treatment plan and can see the light at the end of the tunnel, you find out there's more. So if any of you have an opinion on going that far (California to Italy is 11 hours for the flight) and for that long, please let me know your thoughts.

    Thanks to all of you for posting. You are all in my thoughts every day!

    xoxo
    Kathleen
  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited July 2007
    Well, I don't know about the trip but the story about your husband and his gas gave me the first real chuckle I've had for a long time.

    I've had strange tastes and smells also and, as I mentioned earlier, lots of vivid dreams. Last night 4 men with knives were chasing me around (surgeons?). I'm exausted. I drank so much water until it started looking like mineral oil to me. Now I'm drinking Starbuck's Frappicino which I am sure is fattening.

    I have 2 more AC's to go. Got more nauseous the second time - mild but lasted 7 days.
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2007
    Kathleen, I'm probably one of those who confused you and DebbieK...can I plead chemo brain, please? :-/

    My suggestion is this, start a new thread under Help Me Get Through Treatment and/or the Chemo board and seek the opinions of others who've already been through your new regimen. I'm of the mind that if the doctor thinks it's ok, then most probably it is but for your peace of mind, ask others who've been through it already.....they're the *real experts!

    I'm glad you mentioned this ER-/PR+ and Her2+ because I'm going to ask my onc about my testing, NOT that I want a change in treatment plans but I do want the best for me. My PR was 50% so it isn't a slight positive and my ER was 5%...not sure about the HER2 or what test they used. They did say it was negative but now you have me wondering....

    Good luck with your decision, Italy sounds fabulous!
  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2007
    Oh kathleen, that hubby story hit so close to home. I hear the horn blowing and instantly pull the sheet over my nose to try to stop as much as I can! I can't even wear my Donna Karan Cashmere Mist and I never went a day without it! I'm also HER2 so I will be on Herceptin, however, the docs said I don't have to do Taxol with it. They said it would be too toxic since I was Stage I with no nodes, also going to be doing Tamoxifen and said Herceptin is the real magic bullet. I did read Herceptin is better with chemo but they said you're getting A/C as your chemo and Herceptin after.

    I'm finally feeling better this week but once I think about Friday, the gag reflex kicks in. Oh well, I'm going through with it all, I have to.
  • Charlie451
    Charlie451 Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2007
    Hi all. On balance, it seems like everyone is doing pretty well, at least for now. I want to tell Cheryl, like most of you, to focus on yourself and your kids. Also don't be too shy about asking for help from family, friends, church groups.
    I'm doing pretty much my normal activities. As I approach nadir I will stay in more. I went to lunch with my cousin yesterday at our favorite place and as we got up to leave the table a lady next to us stopped me. She had a pad and pencil ready and wanted to know the name and phone number of my hairdresser! She was suprised to learn I am a chemo patient wearing a wig. It's nice to know it looks OK.
    Linda
  • atdec05
    atdec05 Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2007
    Hi Kathleen,

    I've done 4 of 12 weekly Taxol/Herceptins. My understanding is the effects can be cumulative. I had planned to go to Austria after my 2nd treatment, but because of stomach problems due to the pre-meds I felt terrible and there was no way I could have flown. My 3rd & 4th treatments have gone OK and I'm planning to fly to Colorado inbetween my weekly treatments.

    Each person handles treatments differently. I'd recommend planning to go there, but getting flight insurance so you can cancel without penalty.

    Italy in November sounds great!

    take care, Anna
  • mikeysmom
    mikeysmom Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2007
    Kathleen, I am ER+++ and HER2neu borderline. So they are treating me as if I am HER2 positive and I will get 4AC (had 2 so far), 4 taxol and 1 yr of herceptin. I just traveled across country (Las Vegas to Baltimore) and the travelling was fine but I was soooo sick the first two days in Baltimore. Honestly, it was the first time I considered stopping treatment. I've heard the taxol and herceptin are much easier than the AC so I hope that is the case for me. I would do what Anna suggested and plan to go but get insurance just in case. BC changes your life so much and I wanted to keep as much normalcy as I could. Also, I figured I could feel bad at home or bad at the beach. My onc was supportive. I do wish I'd timed my tx better--I had one the day before I left. That was actually a day earlier than scheduled so I should have started my first earlier. My second week after tx I felt pretty normal (except for the no hair thing).
    Linda, I had a similar wig experience. I was in a wig store with my mom and sister and wearing a wig. The salesperson wanted me to try on a wig because it looked so much like my hair. That's because it was the same brand and style of wig I was wearing in another color. She didn't know I already had a wig on! So I bought it in a darker color. Or maybe she was just a great salesperson .
    Cyndi
  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited July 2007
    Sounds like everyone's spirits are somewhat high. I agree, on those up days especially, we need to focus on the glass-half-full moments.
    I just started treatment # 2. Going to get my Neulasta shot now...I guess I will know very soon whether the acupuncture has helped with side effects.
  • burquie
    burquie Member Posts: 129
    edited July 2007
    Hi everyone!
    I just got back from my 3rd tx of AC..... 1 more red devil for me also!!!! YEAH!!! They gave me the usual steroids and this time, Kytril in my IV. Also managed to snag a few more boxes of the Kytril samples. I have to go for the Neulesta shot tomorrow.
    I'm hoping that I will feel somewhat well enough to go to our family cottage in Canada for the weekend. My brother and his wife are going and my husband told me to hitch a ride with them... he knows that I absolutley LOVE it there; been going all my 46 yrs. So as long as I feel good .... I'm going and I couldn't be more excited!!
    I hope everyone continues to feel as well as we can.
    WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS!!

    Bonnie
  • kath11
    kath11 Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Hi all,

    It does sound like everyone is keeping that cup half full, and probably those not feeling great are in hibernation for now (as I do when it hits) and hopefully will be back soon. Thank you for give me ideas about figuring out my Italy trip. Terry, good idea. I will post in another place and see what responses I get. I also go in for my Neulasta shot today, so I'm bringing my calendar and showing the nurse and doctor my dates, so it's not just a "I'm sure you can go" without realizing how close it is to my last treatment. Of course you never know how any of these drugs affect you until you try it.

    So new things to learn every day. What would I do without this webiste? I've gone to other websites but this is still my favorite.

    Bonnie, a family cottage in Canada sounds so fantastic right now. I hope you have a wonderful time.

    Love to all,

    Kathleen
  • mikeysmom
    mikeysmom Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2007
    Kathleen, I was really concerned about germs on the plane and everyone was telling me to wear a mask. I asked my onc if that would help and he said that would just protect everyone from me! And I'm not contagious! He did suggest using a hand santizier as often as possible.
    I have the feeling I posted this story already...
    Cyndi
  • honeygirl
    honeygirl Member Posts: 1,718
    edited July 2007

    Boy Dawn , your post could have been a duplicate of how I am feeling. I spend the whole weekend on the couch , thinking I don't want to do this anymore! Monday I started feeling better. So now I can't wait to get tx #4 done on Aug.1st. My body feels like it is in a hyper-sensitivity mode. My sense of smell is heightened also. Which feels so weird since I can't taste anything.Some of the perfumes that people wear at work just gag me. Then I think I can smell the chemo coming out of my pores. Yuck. My er was 90% pos and pr 80% pos. So I know I have to do anti-hormone tx next. But I have a lot of questions for my onc. I want to know the % or reoccurance vs the percent of complications from the therapy. I have a list of questions to discuss with him. He may have to give me more than the scheduled 15 mins. that he usually gives me! Well , good luck everyone with treatment. Hugs and Prayers , Melody

  • DebbieK
    DebbieK Member Posts: 116
    edited July 2007
    Cyndi, thanks for the info on the face masks. My sis has been insistent that when I fly I need to wear one so now I have an answer.

    I have faithfully been washing my hands frequently and carrying the little bottle of sanitizer in my purse for when a sink isn't handy. Last week in a meeting a friend of mine showed me his hands and said the excema he has on his palms came of overuse of the hand sanitizer. He said last year he really got carried away with it and his hands broke out with excema. He is still treating it and it is not going away. Another lady sitting there also said she had heard of that happening, so I thought I would pass it on here to all you ladies so you don't have a similar problem come up. I guess it is meant for only occasional use.
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Melody - make sure he answers EVERY question you have no matter how long it takes!!

    Sorry we are feeling the same way but nice to hear we aren't alone...........................

    How is your SO? I saw a post at some point that you were diagnosed right after he was? Seems that you are one day ahead of me on treatments - what do you have after A/C? Full of questions, aren't I?

    Today was better than yesterday - feeling fairly normal - whatever that means!! Sure wish I had my hair!! hahahaha


    Debbie & Kathleen - congrats on finishing A/C!!

    Anna - how is the weekly taxol/herceptin? That's what I get starting in late August...........

    Hope everyone sleeps well tonight!

    Dawn
  • b445
    b445 Member Posts: 1,325
    edited July 2007
    Just a short stop in t o say hello. I had neuropathy so bad last week they held my chemo and told me to start taking glutamine 10grams 3 times a day. it's helped a lot I can actually walk today without pain!
    Tomorrow will be #8 & #3 for me and I'll see the Onc next week after #9
    hope all are well!
  • atdec05
    atdec05 Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2007
    Hi CY,

    Are you doing weekly Taxol? When did you start getting the neuropathy? I also heard Glutamine was good, as well as B complex.

    Dawn, I've done 4 weekly treatments of Taxol & Herceptin. My onc. has talked about doing 16 weeks of this. I just hope I can get through 12. My first 2 treatments were bad because I was sensitive to the pre-meds. The last 2 were fine. Definitely feel better than AC, but we'll see as I go along. I starting losing hair after my 2nd treatment. I'm finding it harder to let it go this time around. Especially when my onc. said it would come out around my 7th treatment!

    - Anna
  • GracieM2007
    GracieM2007 Member Posts: 1,564
    edited July 2007
    Hi girls,

    Am so jealous of you who have finished #4 of AC, lol. I had #3 on Monday, am good for this morning, but if it's like the last two, it will hit this afternoon, then I'll be down until day five, then nauseas until day 10, then four good days, and THEN FINALLY the last AC YEAH. I'm actually looking forward to Taxol, as almost everyone has said it's easier than the AC...so we'll see. You probably wont' hear much from me for the next 7 days or so, but I'll keep all of you in my prayers.

    Gracie
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Anna, I can't imagine losing your hair AGAIN!! Once is bad enough. Couple things: I read you had a mastectomy - did you have reconstruction? I had a mast with my first dx w/reconstruction and now with the recurrence I'll be having rads after the T/H.........wondering how that went for you? Also, how are your kids taking it this time? I read they were young........at least compared to mine!! DD25, DS21 & DS17-on 8/2!

    CY - I'm glad you are feeling better this week!!

    Dawn
  • mikeysmom
    mikeysmom Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2007
    Anna,
    Did your hair start coming back before you started the Taxol/herceptin? And then start coming out again with the Taxol/herceptin? I'm really missing mine right now and I'd rather it stayed away than come back and fall out a second time...I have to say that I can get out the door in record time since I don't have to blow dry my hair anymore! Sometimes I fear this is payback for all the times I said I hate my hair!
    Cyndi
  • atdec05
    atdec05 Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2007
    Hi Cyndi & Dawn,

    My bc story - diagnosed 9/2005 with stage 1 er/pr-,her2+. Had Mastectomy after unclear margins with lumpectomy. Had 4 DD AC + 1 year of Herceptin, during which my hair grew back thick & curly (unlike my previous fine straight hair)!

    On last month of Herceptin (1/07) noticed local recurrence, so had radiation and am now doing weekly Taxol & Herceptin. So thanks to the Taxol my hair is going again.

    I did not have reconstruction. I went for 2 2nd opinions, and the last opinion at Dana Farber recommended I do rads before chemo since I had 2 local recurrences pop up fairly quickly.

    My kids are 10 & 11, and are noticing it a little more, but I have to say I feel better on the TH than on the AC.

    How did you find your local recurrence?

    - Anna
  • kath11
    kath11 Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2007
    Anna,

    Thank you for posting your history. I'm so sorry you had this recurrence. I wish you the very best with this next round of treatment. Please keep us posted on how you feel with the Taxol/Herceptin weekly treatments. So great to hear it is better than the AC.

    xoxo
    Kathleen
  • honeygirl
    honeygirl Member Posts: 1,718
    edited July 2007
    Hi everyone. Hope everyone is feeling better today. I want to send hugs and prayers to Anna and all that are going through this for the second time. I can't even imagine going through this again , and yet it is such a very real situation that can happen to anyone of us. Positive , healing vibes to you all.
    Dawn ,Yes , It is a comfort knowing I am not alone and that others feel the way I do. My SO is doing good. He was dx with prostate cancer and opted to do the "radio seed" therapy. His last psa test was 0.2 Which is great. Therapy appears to be working.But he found out recently that he has pad in his leg for the second time. He had the artery replace with one of his veins before , so this time they are putting in a stent. He said "when we make it through this year , we are celebrating and going on a trip next year"! Its so funny , I never wish away my summer ,but this year , I can't wait for fall! I'm not sure what is next for me , thats why I need to talk with my onc. I was thinking of having my ovaries removed and going with AIs. But like I said , I have alot of questions , and not feeling sure as to what I want to do.Sure is alot to think about. Ok ladies , we can get through this. We will kick cancers butt and make it through!!! Hugs , Melody
    Debbie , thanks for the hand sanitizer info. I use this all day long at work , because I have to inspect everyones work and touch alot of tools and things that alot of people touch. Maybe I'll do more hand washing and less sanitizer. Boy , its always something!
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Anna - I was dx in 12/05 w/multi-focal DCIS, had mast w/recon in 2/06, found .2cm IDC so went back in 2 weeks later for axillary dissection - clear margins & clear nodes. Started Tamoxifen and did recon surgeries. Fast forward to 3/07 - I found a different feeling lump in my recon breast so my surgeon biopsied it and it came back IDC - had re-excision 4/07 w/3.5cm IDC so now my onc is hitting me w/4 A/C, 12 wkly T/H, 6 1/2 wks rads and continue the H every 3 weeks till next June! My plastic surgeon says we'll have to see how my silicone implant does with radiation and another poster said I'd probably have to have it replaced - UGH. This whole process has gotten really old and I'm not one for being the center of attention.......but that is of course what's happened. I can't imagine going through treatments with little ones or tweens for that matter at home - although I know they bring so much sunshine - some days it's hard just to get up and go to work and worry about doing what I need to do!

    Melody - I'm so glad your SO is doing well! I agree with him - take a long vacation!! My DH and I never had a honeymoon when we married - planned to have it this year for our 25th but.................. now I'm thinking next spring in between herceptin infusions! Couple of weeks in Hawaii or someplace sounds really nice! Might have to be summer or fall since my oldest son will graduate from the Art Institute and my youngest son will graduate from high school - both next June!! The party might do me in!! LOL

    Grace - hope your se's are better this time!

    I've rambled long enough - I'm off to bed.

    Goodnight everyone!
    Dawn
  • mikeysmom
    mikeysmom Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2007
    Anna and Dawn, thanks for sharing your histories. I'm not sure how I'd handle recurrence since I don't always handle BC well now. Definitely keep us posted on how it's going.
    I have a 9 yr old son and it affects him so much sometimes. I worry about the long term changes to him from having to deal with a "sick" mom. We are very close and he is so caring and concerned and I hope that this makes him a more compassionate person as he grows up. But I'm also worried that he is losing some part of his childhood too.
    I am also wishing for this year to be over and I hate the thought of "wishing my life away" but we have had our challenges this year and BC is just one of them.
    My best to all of you on this journey we never chose to be on...there's got to be something good at the end.
    Cyndi
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Cyndi - it was definitely harder hearing it the second time and a big relief when the PET Scan came back clear - although it can only measure cells when they get to a certain size.........I know I've said this somewhere on these boards that since the first dx I had been waiting for the other shoe to drop and since my second dx I haven't had that feeling - praying that is a good omen!!

    I have always tried to keep "home" as normal and routine as possible - like the 5 years my oldest son went through ulcerative colitis (removed his colon in '04 and awesome health since) or during '02 when we lost 5 family and friends during Nov/Dec - this was hard for me since 2 of them were my younger brother & my grandfather and my son was having a flare at the same time. Routine was difficult!

    Anyway, keeping your families routine as normal as possible and being honest for your son's age level/maturity will help him the most. Are he and your 17 year old step daughter close? If they are, he might open up to her or maybe your husband could start a Saturday morning breakfast "date" with him so they can talk (might be a lunch or dinner date if there is baseball of course!!)

    I don't think it's good to shield kids from life events but I do think it's our jobs as parents/aunts/grandmothers etc to guide them as well as we can so they process the information in a healthy way.

    I am wishing the past 19 months were over but it looks like I've got another 11 months to go!! UGH.

    I think I'm rambling AGAIN!!
    Dawn
  • mikeysmom
    mikeysmom Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2007
    Thank you Dawn. As much as I hate going through this, if my child had to go through something like what yours did it would be so much worse. It's just a natural instinct to want to protect them from everything. I'm so glad yours is doing great now.
    We have been open about what is going on but there are the inevitable questions like "are you going to die?". I have never felt like I will die from BC and I've told him that but everybody dies from something and I tried to convey that there are no guarantees about anything in life without freaking him out!
    Our routines have stayed fairly normal except when I'm really sick right after tx. He is close to his sister but I think he'd open up more to his dad. Thank you for the suggestion for them to have a weekly breakfast or whatever to talk. One thing I've noticed is that he seems more attached to his Dad right now than in the past. I don't know if that's because he fears losing me or if it's just due to his getting a little older and they have more in common (like baseball).
    Right now I am dealing with his embarrassment over my bald head. I keep it covered even around the house but don't hide it either. He is okay with it in private but embarrassed for anyone else to see it. He loves me to wear the wig I have that most closely matches my old hair. He says I look like me. I don't want to traumatize him but I am at the beach and it's hot and humid and I want to go swimming without a hat or cap or scarf (yes I will use sunscreen). Also, I'd like him to understand it's not my fault I'm bald and I have nothing to be ashamed of. Is that asking too much of a 9 yr old?
    Dang, now I'm rambling!! But being able to post here and "talk" to others going through these things is such a HUGE help to me.
    thanks to you all for being here ,
    Cyndi
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2007
    Cyndi - I'll bet your 9 year old is actually handling this way better than a lot of adults!! Don't worry too much, it really sounds like he's a normal little guy and asking questions means he's not holding it in!!

    By the way, you have way more guts than me - I was thinking of just wearing a scarf in the pool or at the beach and just not getting my head wet!! I'm the one that is freaked out with no hair!!

    Looks like we've been monopolizing the posts - where is everyone??!?!?!?!! Hopefully, this means they are feeling well and enjoying life................

    Dawn

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